http://www.stratosolar.com/

They have nice pictures.

On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 3:19:46 PM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> http://www.stratosolar.com/
>
> They have nice pictures.

Interesting ideas. I will be watching this.

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On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:19:41 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>http://www.stratosolar.com/
>
>They have nice pictures.

Insane word salad. The "startup" has been around from about 2008 and
seems to have been in various businesses. It's hard to tell where they
are located but a Street View of one Richmond location looks like a
junk yard.

"The original concept was to concentrate and direct light concentrated
by a buoyant cassegrain reflector telescope structure down a buoyant
reflective pipe [4] to the ground for use in conventional steam
turbine power generation."

Where can I buy a stylish tinfoil hat ?

On 1/4/23 07:43, Aoli wrote:
> Where can I buy a stylish tinfoil hat ?
>
Be sure to ask for the optional ceramic heat shield :-)

On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 07:43:27 -0800, Aoli <Aoli@Aoli.com> wrote:

>Where can I buy a stylish tinfoil hat ?

It would look cool to stand in the middle of those hundreds of tether
cable things and look up. Watch the thunderstorms and tornadoes and
birds and planes pass through.

Maybe a more substantial helmet would be good.

On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 02:44:20 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:19:41 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.stratosolar.com/
>>
>>They have nice pictures.
>
>Insane word salad. The "startup" has been around from about 2008 and
>seems to have been in various businesses. It's hard to tell where they
>are located but a Street View of one Richmond location looks like a
>junk yard.
>
>"The original concept was to concentrate and direct light concentrated
>by a buoyant cassegrain reflector telescope structure down a buoyant
>reflective pipe [4] to the ground for use in conventional steam
>turbine power generation."
>
>

it's bullshit.

This type of idea was also thought of with flying wind turbines.

I see that their videos are at least 8 years old.

Something like this comes out every few weeks at least it seems.

I would also think that even if it could be made to work, the FAA
wouldn't allow it. It's almost as bad of an idea as placing
photovoltaics in low earth orbit and transmitting microwaves of energy
back to earh. Geeeesh.

boB

On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:12:10 -0800, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 02:44:20 -0800, John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:19:41 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
>><bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.stratosolar.com/
>>>
>>>They have nice pictures.
>>
>>Insane word salad. The "startup" has been around from about 2008 and
>>seems to have been in various businesses. It's hard to tell where they
>>are located but a Street View of one Richmond location looks like a
>>junk yard.
>>
>>"The original concept was to concentrate and direct light concentrated
>>by a buoyant cassegrain reflector telescope structure down a buoyant
>>reflective pipe [4] to the ground for use in conventional steam
>>turbine power generation."
>>
>>
>
>it's bullshit.
>
>This type of idea was also thought of with flying wind turbines.
>
>I see that their videos are at least 8 years old.
>
>Something like this comes out every few weeks at least it seems.
>
>I would also think that even if it could be made to work, the FAA
>wouldn't allow it. It's almost as bad of an idea as placing
>photovoltaics in low earth orbit and transmitting microwaves of energy
>back to earh. Geeeesh.
>
>boB
>
>
>

Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
kites to pull cables around windlasses.

Gravity energy storage with concrete blocks is fun too. Some idiots
even want to use batteries to back up the grid when the wind and solar
are down.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 10:22:26 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 07:43:27 -0800, Aoli <Ao...@Aoli.com> wrote:
>
> >Where can I buy a stylish tinfoil hat ?
> It would look cool to stand in the middle of those hundreds of tether
> cable things and look up. Watch the thunderstorms and tornadoes and
> birds and planes pass through.
>
> Maybe a more substantial helmet would be good.

Larkin is the sort of person who saw the first cell phones and said, "That's going nowhere!"

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-af54e42a73edb577adb06b0079e972d9-lq

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On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

> Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
> kites to pull cables around windlasses.

Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
production?

On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>
>> Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
>> kites to pull cables around windlasses.
>
>Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
>are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
>for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
>production?

Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
a tubular balloon.

Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon

On Thu, 05 Jan 2023 15:12:01 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>> Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
>>> kites to pull cables around windlasses.
>>
>>Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
>>are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
>>for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
>>production?
>
>Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
>various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
>a tubular balloon.
>
>Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon

Some bullshit wind balloons proposed. Never worked or had so many
problems you will never see them being used for real solutions.
But they will certainly take your investment money !

https://www.cnet.com/science/altaeros-balloon-boosts-wind-turbine-power/

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-turbines-electricity.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6vgWP5U5Ew

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On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> http://www.stratosolar.com/
>
> They have nice pictures.

I do wonder whether they've considered how big this thing has to be to
be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that's before the weight of the
thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.

A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.

Sylvia.

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 8:07:03 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > http://www.stratosolar.com/
> >
> > They have nice pictures.
> I do wonder whether they've considered how big this thing has to be to
> be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
> 500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that's before the weight of the
> thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.
>
> A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
> roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
> again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
> volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.

Really? You think they haven't done any calculations, not even to calculate buoyancy? Your 500 tonne mass can be buoyed by a helium volume of 255 m square, 100 m thick. That's smaller than the 32 MWp platform.

Where did you get the 1 kg/m^3? Oh, I guess that's sea level? At 20 km altitude, the density of air is 0.08891 kg/m^3. Helium is around 0.012 kg/m^3. The difference is 0.077 kg/m^3. Doing the math, I get 6.5 million m^3, or a 255 m square, 100 m thick. Here's where I got my data.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-atmosphere-d_604.html

Where exactly is the problem? What are you saying is unrealistic? The 32 MWp platform is stated to be 400 m on a side.

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On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:06:55 +1100) it happened Sylvia Else
<sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in <k1uj9fFc0mfU1@mid.individual.net>:

>On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> http://www.stratosolar.com/
>>
>> They have nice pictures.
>
>I do wonder whether they've considered how big this thing has to be to
>be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
>500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that's before the weight of the
>thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.
>
>A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
>roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
>again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
>volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.
>
>Sylvia.

IMO it is just a bulshit snake oil idiot trying to get money from investors for
something that will never work.
Extremely dangerous too.

Any kid cn male a bull website like that.

>
>

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:45:43 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 4:17:10 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:06:55 +1100) it happened Sylvia Else
> > <syl...@email.invalid> wrote in <k1uj9f...@mid.individual.net>:
> > >On 04-Jan-23 7:19 am, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > >> http://www.stratosolar.com/
> > >>
> > >> They have nice pictures.
> > >
> > >I do wonder whether they've considered how big this thing has to be to
> > >be buoyant enough (using helium I assume) at 20km altitude to support a
> > >500 tonne gravity generation mass. And that's before the weight of the
> > >thing itself and its tethers is taken into account.
> > >
> > >A quick search suggests that the air density at that altitude is very
> > >roughly one tenth of its sea level density, and at sea level it takes,
> > >again roughly, one cubic metre of helium to support 1 kg mass. So the
> > >volume to support 500 tonnes at 20km, is about 5 million cubic metres.
> >
> > IMO it is just a bulshit snake oil idiot trying to get money from investors for something that will never work.
> It could work. The question is for how long. The weather up there hasn't been studied in a much detail as the weather lower down.

20 km is the end of the troposphere. That's not a region that hasn't been studied much. We send weather balloons that high and higher. The important point is that there are no storms that high. So little turbulence. The winds are limited in speed and steady.

> > Extremely dangerous too.
>
> Probably not all that dangerous. The structure would be a pretty effective parachute.

Certainly there would need to be many safeguards. But there's nothing that would be pushing technology like the space elevator idea. The issues are more about the economics I think.

Seems to me they could produce a trial case without too much expense. They clearly have different sizes in mind, so start small and work their way up..

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On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 5:55:34 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:08:55 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:12:10 -0800, boB <b...@K7IQ.com> wrote:
> > >On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 02:44:20 -0800, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
> > >>On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 12:19:41 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>http://www.stratosolar.com/
> > >>>
> > >>>They have nice pictures.
> > >>
> > >>Insane word salad. The "startup" has been around from about 2008 and
> > >>seems to have been in various businesses. It's hard to tell where they
> > >>are located but a Street View of one Richmond location looks like a
> > >>junk yard.
> > >>
> > >>"The original concept was to concentrate and direct light concentrated
> > >>by a buoyant cassegrain reflector telescope structure down a buoyant
> > >>reflective pipe [4] to the ground for use in conventional steam
> > >>turbine power generation."
> > >
> > >it's bullshit.
> > >
> > >This type of idea was also thought of with flying wind turbines.
> > >
> > >I see that their videos are at least 8 years old.
> > >
> > >Something like this comes out every few weeks at least it seems.
> > >
> > >I would also think that even if it could be made to work, the FAA
> > >wouldn't allow it. It's almost as bad of an idea as placing
> > >photovoltaics in low earth orbit and transmitting microwaves of energy
> > >back to earh. Geeeesh.
> >
> > Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
> > kites to pull cables around windlasses.
> >
> > Gravity energy storage with concrete blocks is fun too. Some idiots
> > even want to use batteries to back up the grid when the wind and solar
> > are down.
> That's John Larkin's Flyguy level of comprehension about what is being proposed. He doesn't understand it but he knows he doesn't like it.

So says the IDIOT who advocates FIREBOMBING and NUKING his own damn country!

>
> --
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On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:15:11 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >> Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
> >> kites to pull cables around windlasses.
> >
> >Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
> >are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
> >for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
> >production?
> Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
> various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
> a tubular balloon.
>
> Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon

Which would NEVER get approval because of their obvious risk to aviation. Hint: why do you think they were called "barrage" balloons?

Billy teh Sloomman wrote:

<ca987ee0-fbae-4e25-b17c-87515490bfb6n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:52:10 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:15:11 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>> > On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
>> > >> kites to pull cables around windlasses.
>> > >
>> > >Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
>> > >are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
>> > >for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
>> > >production?
>> > Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
>> > various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
>> > a tubular balloon.
>> >
>> > Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon
>>
>> Which would NEVER get approval because of their obvious risk to aviation. Hint: why do you think they were called "barrage"
>> balloons?
>
>Because they originally lifted "barrage nets" to a height that WW1 bombers couldn't exceed.
>
>Any fixed object that does constitute a risk to aviation has to carry warning lights. High rise buildings are a obvious risk to
>aviation, but that doesn't stop them being built.
>
>Sewage Sweeper hasn't got much grasp of reality.

So that is what you do?

question one:
how does the power go o earth,
1 cable
2 RF microwave beam
Answer for 1 fly into it (LED string as warning? HAHAHA)
Answer for 2 get fried you and your equipment flying through it?, pointing errors kill the population?

question 2:
Micro and big asteroids, space orbit debris, anything goes to have it crash on people's head
answer : hide in CERN tunnels..
There is an other space debris shower from some burned out earh observing satellite expected soon, see news.
Chance of it hitting something was ONLY 1 in 9500, good it is not in my hemisphere.
Chances in the lottery are a lot worse!!

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:20:08 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> Billy teh Sloomman wrote:
>
> <ca987ee0-fbae-4e25...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:52:10 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> >> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:15:11 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
> >> > >> kites to pull cables around windlasses.
> >> > >
> >> > >Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
> >> > >are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
> >> > >for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
> >> > >production?
> >> > Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
> >> > various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
> >> > a tubular balloon.
> >> >
> >> > Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.
> >> >
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon
> >>
> >> Which would NEVER get approval because of their obvious risk to aviation. Hint: why do you think they were called "barrage"
> >> balloons?
> >
> >Because they originally lifted "barrage nets" to a height that WW1 bombers couldn't exceed.
> >
> >Any fixed object that does constitute a risk to aviation has to carry warning lights. High rise buildings are a obvious risk to
> >aviation, but that doesn't stop them being built.
> >
> >Sewage Sweeper hasn't got much grasp of reality.
> So that is what you do?
>
> question one:
> how does the power go o earth,
> 1 cable
> 2 RF microwave beam
> Answer for 1 fly into it (LED string as warning? HAHAHA)
> Answer for 2 get fried you and your equipment flying through it?, pointing errors kill the population?
>
> question 2:
> Micro and big asteroids, space orbit debris, anything goes to have it crash on people's head
> answer : hide in CERN tunnels..
> There is an other space debris shower from some burned out earh observing satellite expected soon, see news.
> Chance of it hitting something was ONLY 1 in 9500, good it is not in my hemisphere.
> Chances in the lottery are a lot worse!!

Have you been on drugs tonight? You aren't making any sense, even more so than usual.

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On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Jan 2023 23:50:59 -0800 (PST)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<76057774-ac2d-483d-8753-aca802506f29n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:20:08 AM UTC-5, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Billy teh Sloomman wrote:
>>
>> <ca987ee0-fbae-4e25...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:52:10 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
>> >> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:15:11 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:23:49 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 9:08:55 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Somebody had a startup that was going to generate electricity using
>> >> > >> kites to pull cables around windlasses.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Oh, aerial suspension with a kite of a wind turbine is a potential big win: there
>> >> > >are high-altitude winds available to such an object (but the right-of-way
>> >> > >for a stationary tether is a problem). Are you sure it was windlass energy
>> >> > >production?
>> >> > Yes, somebody proposed that. Others have suggested windmills of
>> >> > various sorts on kites. There is a project based on a propeller inside
>> >> > a tubular balloon.
>> >> >
>> >> > Somebody is doing a tethered autogyro.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrage_balloon
>> >>
>> >> Which would NEVER get approval because of their obvious risk to aviation. Hint: why do you think they were called "barrage"
>> >>
>> >> balloons?
>> >
>> >Because they originally lifted "barrage nets" to a height that WW1 bombers couldn't exceed.
>> >
>> >Any fixed object that does constitute a risk to aviation has to carry warning lights. High rise buildings are a obvious risk
>> >to
>> >aviation, but that doesn't stop them being built.
>> >
>> >Sewage Sweeper hasn't got much grasp of reality.
>> So that is what you do?
>>
>> question one:
>> how does the power go o earth,
>> 1 cable
>> 2 RF microwave beam
>> Answer for 1 fly into it (LED string as warning? HAHAHA)
>> Answer for 2 get fried you and your equipment flying through it?, pointing errors kill the population?
>>
>> question 2:
>> Micro and big asteroids, space orbit debris, anything goes to have it crash on people's head
>> answer : hide in CERN tunnels..
>> There is an other space debris shower from some burned out earh observing satellite expected soon, see news.
>> Chance of it hitting something was ONLY 1 in 9500, good it is not in my hemisphere.
>> Chances in the lottery are a lot worse!!
>
>Have you been on drugs tonight? You aren't making any sense, even more so than usual.

Anyways it DOES require an above 10 IQ to understand
My sincere ape pologies if you were not in the target audio-ants group.

Sloom man wrote:

>Jan target audience seems to be people who are even more pig-ignorant than he is,
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See, you are learning from me, keep at it!

Funny language you earthlings have!

Sloom Billy wrote:

>Perhaps I am,

I think so I am?
You mean you do not think?

OK, so you do not think, are brainless and any electronics from you is missing here in this group.,
mostly insults remain.

No wonder you could not find a job in the Netherlands!!

Or anywhere???

Wombat farm over there?