Bozo keeps claiming that senile pervert Lyin' Biden HAS a grid modernization plan. Well, Bozo IS right: Lyin' Biden DOES have a plan and here it is:
https://www.eenews.net/articles/more-more-more-bidens-clean-grid-hinges-on-power-lines/
Unfortunately, the "plan" is only funded for $16B. Now, $16B SOUNDS like a lot, but it isn't when it comes to the US grid, which consists of 160,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines (https://www.generatorsource.com/US_power_grid.aspx#:~:text=The%20country's%20electric%20transmission%20grid,of%20high%2Dvoltage%20transmission%20lines.)
Expanding this by 60+ percent will cost TRILLIONS, not billions. Don't believe, then just listen to what the DOE (Dept. of Energy) says:

"DOE invited suggestions this month on how to structure the shorter-term initiative. It will contract to purchase up to half the electricity on new power lines up to a total commitment of $2.5 billion, aiming to get previously announced projects across the starting line to construction."

“[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”

Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION. If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
and
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 4:34:21 PM UTC-6, Flyguy wrote:
> Bozo keeps claiming that senile pervert Lyin' Biden HAS a grid modernization plan. Well, Bozo IS right: Lyin' Biden DOES have a plan and here it is:
> https://www.eenews.net/articles/more-more-more-bidens-clean-grid-hinges-on-power-lines/
> Unfortunately, the "plan" is only funded for $16B. Now, $16B SOUNDS like a lot, but it isn't when it comes to the US grid, which consists of 160,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines (https://www.generatorsource.com/US_power_grid.aspx#:~:text=The%20country's%20electric%20transmission%20grid,of%20high%2Dvoltage%20transmission%20lines.)
> Expanding this by 60+ percent will cost TRILLIONS, not billions. Don't believe, then just listen to what the DOE (Dept. of Energy) says:
>
> "DOE invited suggestions this month on how to structure the shorter-term initiative. It will contract to purchase up to half the electricity on new power lines up to a total commitment of $2.5 billion, aiming to get previously announced projects across the starting line to construction."
>
> “[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”
>
> Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION. If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
> https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
> and
> https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/

There was some sabotage Christmas Day to power stations.
<https://amgreatness.com/2022/12/26/thousands-without-power-after-substations-vandalized-in-washington-north-carolina/>

On Wednesday, 28 December 2022 at 00:29:11 UTC+1, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 4:34:21 PM UTC-6, Flyguy wrote:
> > Bozo keeps claiming that senile pervert Lyin' Biden HAS a grid modernization plan. Well, Bozo IS right: Lyin' Biden DOES have a plan and here it is:
> > https://www.eenews.net/articles/more-more-more-bidens-clean-grid-hinges-on-power-lines/
> > Unfortunately, the "plan" is only funded for $16B. Now, $16B SOUNDS like a lot, but it isn't when it comes to the US grid, which consists of 160,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines (https://www.generatorsource.com/US_power_grid.aspx#:~:text=The%20country's%20electric%20transmission%20grid,of%20high%2Dvoltage%20transmission%20lines.)
> > Expanding this by 60+ percent will cost TRILLIONS, not billions. Don't believe, then just listen to what the DOE (Dept. of Energy) says:
> >
> > "DOE invited suggestions this month on how to structure the shorter-term initiative. It will contract to purchase up to half the electricity on new power lines up to a total commitment of $2.5 billion, aiming to get previously announced projects across the starting line to construction."
> >
> > “[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”
> >
> > Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION. If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
> > https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
> > and
> > https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/
> There was some sabotage Christmas Day to power stations.
> <https://amgreatness.com/2022/12/26/thousands-without-power-after-substations-vandalized-in-washington-north-carolina/>
let China to build modern grid in America

On 12/27/22 14:34, Flygoo wrote:
> “[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”
>
> Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION. If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:

Hold on, where did you hide a third zero?

> https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf

Can you point to a particular page there?

> and
> https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Institute_for_Energy_Research

The Institute for Energy Research (IER), founded in 1989 from a
predecessor non-profit organization registered by Charles G. Koch and
Robert L. Bradley Jr., advocates positions on environmental issues
including deregulation of utilities, climate change denial, and claims
that conventional energy sources are virtually limitless.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 5:34:21 PM UTC-5, Flyguy wrote:
> Bozo keeps claiming that senile pervert Lyin' Biden HAS a grid modernization plan. Well, Bozo IS right: Lyin' Biden DOES have a plan and here it is:
> https://www.eenews.net/articles/more-more-more-bidens-clean-grid-hinges-on-power-lines/
> Unfortunately, the "plan" is only funded for $16B. Now, $16B SOUNDS like a lot, but it isn't when it comes to the US grid, which consists of 160,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines (https://www.generatorsource.com/US_power_grid.aspx#:~:text=The%20country's%20electric%20transmission%20grid,of%20high%2Dvoltage%20transmission%20lines.)
> Expanding this by 60+ percent will cost TRILLIONS, not billions. Don't believe, then just listen to what the DOE (Dept. of Energy) says:
>
> "DOE invited suggestions this month on how to structure the shorter-term initiative. It will contract to purchase up to half the electricity on new power lines up to a total commitment of $2.5 billion, aiming to get previously announced projects across the starting line to construction."
>
> “[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”
>
> Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION. If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
> https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
> and
> https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/

The power transmission infrastructure is self-funding, just like it's always been. I don't recall the federal government stepping in and building out the grid transmission infrastructure in the past, probably because it didn't. A full 2/3 of the existing 200,000 miles of transmission lines are owned and operated by investor-owned utilities. And that's the way you want it because the utilities have a vested interest, by way of actually turning a profit, in doing things in the most economical and efficient way. The electric power industry will happily expand their transmission capacity by a factor of x10 if need be, if the market is there, that's just that much more profit making business expansion for them. And they like nothing better than taking power someone else went to the trouble of generating and pushing it through their lines to deliver to their customers, it doesn't get any better than that. The operative word is market, which consists of a producer and a buyer. Guess who pays to get everything setup. Right- it's the buyers, their dues are built into markups and rates set by the producer, as regulated by government authorities in most cases. So there is no issue over "who pays for all this?"

The big issue for DoE right now is actually siting and designating corridors to accommodate the lines. They'll be using their "national interest" designation authority, which once set, cannot be opposed. When a line has this designation and they say it's coming through, that means it's coming through and can't be challenged. That type of thing usually upsets a lot of people. Too bad.

Looks like your links to phony expertise and authority on the subject have made more of a fool out of you once again.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:02:16 PM UTC-8, corvid wrote:
> On 12/27/22 14:34, Flygoo wrote:
> > “[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”
> >
> > Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION. If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
> Hold on, where did you hide a third zero?

No, there are only TWO zeroes.

>
> > https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
>
> Can you point to a particular page there?

Yes, EVERY ONE of them, they ALL matter - get busy.

>
> > and
> > https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/
>
> https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Institute_for_Energy_Research
>
> The Institute for Energy Research (IER), founded in 1989 from a
> predecessor non-profit organization registered by Charles G. Koch and
> Robert L. Bradley Jr., advocates positions on environmental issues
> including deregulation of utilities, climate change denial, and claims
> that conventional energy sources are virtually limitless.

The Kochs aren't left or right-wing - they are about the truth. Soros, on the other hand, is definitely left-wing. Energy isn't left or right-wing - it is essential to the functioning of society (unless you are prepared to live off the land with bows and arrows). The left-wing libtards won't be able to run around the world in their private jets w/o jet fuel, i.e. oil.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:23:27 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:34:21 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > Bozo keeps claiming that Joe Biden HAS a grid modernization plan. Well, Bill IS right: Lyin' Biden DOES have a plan and here it is:
> > https://www.eenews.net/articles/more-more-more-bidens-clean-grid-hinges-on-power-lines/
>
> Sewage Sweeper finally concedes the point.

Sorry Bozo, but I have ALREADY pointed this out - go check out my past posts, but you are too LAZY to do that.

> > Unfortunately, the "plan" is only funded for $16B. Now, $16B SOUNDS like a lot, but it isn't when it comes to the US grid, which consists of 160,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines (https://www.generatorsource.com/US_power_grid.aspx#:~:text=The%20country's%20electric%20transmission%20grid,of%20high%2Dvoltage%20transmission%20lines.)
> There's actually quite a lot more to it than that, but Sewage Sweeper does simplify stuff down to a level that he imagines that he understands (and doesn't).
> He's great on mindless alarmism, but falls short on actual information.

I found what was in it; if you think there is some hidden pot of gold they FIND IT BOZO! That's a challenge which I doubt you will produce on.

> > Expanding this by 60+ percent will cost TRILLIONS, not billions. Don't believe, then just listen to what the DOE (Dept. of Energy) says:
> >
> > "DOE invited suggestions this month on how to structure the shorter-term initiative. It will contract to purchase up to half the electricity on new power lines up to a total commitment of $2.5 billion, aiming to get previously announced projects across the starting line to construction."
> >
> > “[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”
> As usual, Sewage Sweeper doesn't understand the information he is relying on. That $2.5 billion isn't to pay for the transmission lines, but for the power which will be transmitted across them, which is to establish the market, not to build the transmission lines.

The quotes I provided explain EXACTLY what their strategy is. The bottom line is that the Feds have NOTHING to do with funding and building of actual transmission lines - they can only rely on indirect incentives.

> > Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION.
> Which is more of Sewage Sweeper carrying on about numbers he doesn't understand.

I do, but you DON'T!

> > If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
> > https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
> Which tells you how much they'd cost per mile, but doesn't seem to make any kind of estimate of the of the miles of new line that might be required. Up-grading exuisting lines to carry more power is cheaper, but too complicated for Sewage Sweeper to get his head around.

Bozo still can't spell. Take 160,000 and multiply it by 0.6; that is the number of miles Lyin' Biden is talking about, Bozo.

>
> > and
> > https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/
>
> Which tells you how expensive it is bury transmission lines, but doesn't tell you how many mile of line ought to be buried.

See above, Bozo.

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bozo's Sewage Sweeper

In article <363bc31b-51da-481e-9e87-5812dc1a524fn@googlegroups.com>,
soar2morrow@yahoo.com says...
>
> The Kochs aren't left or right-wing - they are about the truth. Soros, on the other hand, is definitely left-wing. Energy isn't left or right-wing - it is essential to the functioning of society (unless you are prepared to live off the land with bows and arrows). The left-wing libtards won't be able to run around the world in
their private jets w/o jet fuel, i.e. oil.
>
>
>

The Kochs are all about money for their selves. They bought the company
where I worked. Screwed about 500 people out of much of their
retirement pension. They got me for about $ 1000 a month, close to half
of what I should have gotten. They did little repair work to the
equipment and a few years later sold it to another company. That
company had to do so much repair work it went out of business about 10
years later.
Sad to see a companythat had 3000 people working at a good paying
company in 1970 go under in 2015.

On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 12:43:46 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 5:56:20 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 6:02:16 PM UTC-8, corvid wrote:
> > > On 12/27/22 14:34, Flygoo wrote:
> <snip>
> > > https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Institute_for_Energy_Research
> > >
> > > The Institute for Energy Research (IER), founded in 1989 from a
> > > predecessor non-profit organization registered by Charles G. Koch and
> > > Robert L. Bradley Jr., advocates positions on environmental issues
> > > including deregulation of utilities, climate change denial, and claims
> > > that conventional energy sources are virtually limitless.
> >
> > The Kochs aren't left or right-wing - they are about the truth.
> Only somebody as far into right-wing lunacy as Sewage Sweeper could claim that.
>
> The Koch brother are the right-wing clowns who invested a lot of money astro-turfing what used to be the Republican Party into the Tea Party Faction..
>
> By the time they'd made the party uninhabitable for anybody sane, they'd cleaned out anybody capable of beating out Donald Trump for the Republican nomination.
> > Soros, on the other hand, is definitely left-wing.
> More left-wing than Sewage Sweeper, anyway. Sane people are.
> > Energy isn't left or right-wing - it is essential to the functioning of society (unless you are prepared to live off the land with bows and arrows). The left-wing libtards won't be able to run around the world in their private jets w/o jet fuel, i.e. oil.
> The Koch brothers seem to want us to think that the only way of getting energy is by burning fossil carbon and making them even richer. Sewage Sweeper does seem to have been persuaded of this. He's wrong, but he's much too dim to realise quite how wrong he is.
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bozo has snipped away ALL of the discussion about grid modernization, realizing exactly how WRONG he is.

Bozo's Sewage Sweeper

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:47:28 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:04:37 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:23:27 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:34:21 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > Bill keeps claiming that Joe Biden HAS a grid modernization plan. Well, Bill IS right: Joe Biden DOES have a plan and here it is:
> > > > https://www.eenews.net/articles/more-more-more-bidens-clean-grid-hinges-on-power-lines/
> > >
> > > Sewage Sweeper finally concedes the point.
> >
> > Sorry Bozo, but I have ALREADY pointed this out - go check out my past posts, but you are too LAZY to do that.
>
> It's not laziness. I just don't share your your enthusiasm for grubbing through sewage. You are great at claiming that what you posted meant what you want it to mean now, less good at being correct in your claims.

No, Bozo, you are just too LAZY to do it.

> > > > Unfortunately, the "plan" is only funded for $16B. Now, $16B SOUNDS like a lot, but it isn't when it comes to the US grid, which consists of 160,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines (https://www.generatorsource.com/US_power_grid.aspx#:~:text=The%20country's%20electric%20transmission%20grid,of%20high%2Dvoltage%20transmission%20lines.)
> > > There's actually quite a lot more to it than that, but Sewage Sweeper does simplify stuff down to a level that he imagines that he understands (and doesn't).
> > > He's great on mindless alarmism, but falls short on actual information.
> >
> > I found what was in it; if you think there is some hidden pot of gold they FIND IT! That's a challenge which I doubt you will produce on.
>
> Why bother? You are a fount of nonsense, and totally unwilling to admit that you get stuff wrong. Working out how you've screwed up this time is a thankless and unrewarding task - you always get it wrong, so we can rely on you to have got it wrong again.

Wrong again, Bozo, I produce the FACTS and you just bloviate your usual libtard BULLSHIT!

> > > > Expanding this by 60+ percent will cost TRILLIONS, not billions. Don't believe, then just listen to what the DOE (Dept. of Energy) says:
> > > >
> > > > "DOE invited suggestions this month on how to structure the shorter-term initiative. It will contract to purchase up to half the electricity on new power lines up to a total commitment of $2.5 billion, aiming to get previously announced projects across the starting line to construction."
> > > >
> > > > “[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”
> > >
> > > As usual, Sewage Sweeper doesn't understand the information he is relying on. That $2.5 billion isn't to pay for the transmission lines, but for the power which will be transmitted across them, which is to establish the market, not to build the transmission lines.
> >
> > The quotes I provided explain EXACTLY what their strategy is.
> To your total satisfaction. You can always understand stuff to mean what you want it to mean, even when it doesn't.

You can't refute actual QUOTES by Lyin' Biden's own people, so you DODGE the facts! You might try explaining exactly WHAT they were saying.

> > The bottom line is that the Feds have NOTHING to do with funding and building of actual transmission lines - they can only rely on indirect incentives.
> >
> > > > Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION.
> >
> > > Which is more of Sewage Sweeper carrying on about numbers he doesn't understand.
> >
> > I do, but you DON'T!
> You do like to think that.

I KNOW that! You are an electrical engineer WANNA BE - and you come up WOEFULLY SHORT!!

> > > > If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
> > > > https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
> > >
> > > Which tells you how much they'd cost per mile, but doesn't seem to make any kind of estimate of the of the miles of new line that might be required. Up-grading existing lines to carry more power is cheaper, but too complicated for Sewage Sweeper to get his head around.
> >
> > Take 160,000 and multiply it by 0.6; that is the number of miles Joe Biden is talking about.
>
> What 160,000? You do love your invented numbers.

So, Bozo, HOW many miles of transmission lines do YOU think there are?????

> > > > and
> > > > https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/
> > >
> > > Which tells you how expensive it is bury transmission lines, but doesn't tell you how many mile of line ought to be buried.
> >
> > See above,
> Sewage Sweeper expect us to take him seriously, while working tirelessly to remind us that this would be a very silly idea.

No, I don't expect a TOTAL IDIOT to take me seriously, Bozo!

>
> --
> Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bozo's Sewage Sweeper

FlyTurd <maggotfood2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:93e141de-c4e9-4c89-
a973-027eac65173bn@googlegroups.com:

> Expanding this by 60+ percent will cost TRILLIONS, not billions.

A grid that was built with upkeep built into the contracts.
What happened to that money? Same thing with bridges. Over a 50 yer
period it got squandered. Likely the same way Mississippi did with
federal welfare funds.

You seem to have a hard on for digging on the President.
I hope it causes you to have a heart attack and die, fuckhead.

GnatTurd <gnatmaggot2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:93e141de-c4e9-
4c89-a973-027eac65173bn@googlegroups.com:

> -transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/

Michigan was paying kids with zero training right out of high school,
$135k starting pay. Their grid reworks look awesome.

I have seen 24 inch diameter poles (maybe even 30") get set in an
epoxy, crushed stone slurry filled hole that solidifies into the most
stable pole mounts I have ever seen. A six inch wide encapsulation all
around. That pole is not going anywhere any time soon.
Awesome looking new insulators and transfer links, etc. I was very
impressed.

So many states are upgrading key grid elements already on their own.
Leakage is costly.

New hardware leaks very little. It amortizes out over time.

Your grasp of what you read is nil, child. You are useless.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> GnatTurd <gnatmagg...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:93e141de-c4e9-
> 4c89-a973-0...@googlegroups.com:
>
> > -transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/
>
> Michigan was paying kids with zero training right out of high school,
> $135k starting pay. Their grid reworks look awesome.
>
> I have seen 24 inch diameter poles (maybe even 30") get set in an
> epoxy, crushed stone slurry filled hole that solidifies into the most
> stable pole mounts I have ever seen. A six inch wide encapsulation all
> around. That pole is not going anywhere any time soon.
> Awesome looking new insulators and transfer links, etc. I was very
> impressed.

It's a two part polyurethane foam, and it's very pricey.

https://rainbowtech.net/products/pole-setting-foam/

Bunches of others...

You can even buy this at the big box stores for setting poles and whatevers in your yard, it's been around forever:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sika-33-fl-oz-Sika-PostFix-Fence-Post-Mix-Mix-In-The-Bag-Expanding-Foam-for-Supporting-Non-Structural-Posts-Mailbox-Sign-7116170/300934597

Foam fill is for the incapables. It's for the kind of people who build stuff like the Millennium Building.

>
> So many states are upgrading key grid elements already on their own.
> Leakage is costly.
>
> New hardware leaks very little. It amortizes out over time.
>
> Your grasp of what you read is nil, child. You are useless.

On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:42:17 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 3:59:11 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:47:28 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:04:37 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:23:27 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:34:21 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > Bill keeps claiming that Joe Biden HAS a grid modernization plan. Well, Bill IS right: Joe Biden DOES have a plan and here it is:
> > > > > > https://www.eenews.net/articles/more-more-more-bidens-clean-grid-hinges-on-power-lines/
> > > > >
> > > > > Sewage Sweeper finally concedes the point.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Bozo, but I have ALREADY pointed this out - go check out my past posts, but you are too LAZY to do that.
> > >
> > > It's not laziness. I just don't share your your enthusiasm for grubbing through sewage. You are great at claiming that what you posted meant what you want it to mean now, less good at being correct in your claims.
> >
> > No, Bill, you are just too LAZY to do it.
>
> This may be the explanation you like - it is more flattering to you than my rather more credible explanation - but it isn't plausible.
> > > > > > Unfortunately, the "plan" is only funded for $16B. Now, $16B SOUNDS like a lot, but it isn't when it comes to the US grid, which consists of 160,000 miles of high-voltage transmission lines (https://www.generatorsource.com/US_power_grid.aspx#:~:text=The%20country's%20electric%20transmission%20grid,of%20high%2Dvoltage%20transmission%20lines.)
> > > > >
> > > > > There's actually quite a lot more to it than that, but Sewage Sweeper does simplify stuff down to a level that he imagines that he understands (and doesn't).
> > > > > He's great on mindless alarmism, but falls short on actual information.
> > > >
> > > > I found what was in it; if you think there is some hidden pot of gold they FIND IT! That's a challenge which I doubt you will produce on.
> > >
> > > Why bother? You are a fount of nonsense, and totally unwilling to admit that you get stuff wrong. Working out how you've screwed up this time is a thankless and unrewarding task - you always get it wrong, so we can rely on you to have got it wrong again.
> >
> > Wrong again, Bill, I produce the FACTS and you just bloviate your usual comment!
>
> Not quite right. You recycle pro-Trump election propaganda, which has nothing to do with facts, and I point out that it is rubbish.

Hey Bozo, that is your STANDARD RETORT (which is TOTALLY FALSE) - why don't you bother to come up with some ACTUAL FACTS for a change?

> > > > > > Expanding this by 60+ percent will cost TRILLIONS, not billions.. Don't believe, then just listen to what the DOE (Dept. of Energy) says:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "DOE invited suggestions this month on how to structure the shorter-term initiative. It will contract to purchase up to half the electricity on new power lines up to a total commitment of $2.5 billion, aiming to get previously announced projects across the starting line to construction."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “[T]he good and the bad is there’s only $2.5 billion in this program,” said Michelle Manary, acting deputy assistant secretary at DOE’s energy resilience division in the electricity office, speaking at a February webinar that also featured Granholm. “I wish I had a couple of other zeroes on there, because I could spend it, because transmission is expensive.”
> > > > >
> > > > > As usual, Sewage Sweeper doesn't understand the information he is relying on. That $2.5 billion isn't to pay for the transmission lines, but for the power which will be transmitted across them, which is to establish the market, not to build the transmission lines.
> > > >
> > > > The quotes I provided explain EXACTLY what their strategy is.
> > >
> > > To your total satisfaction. You can always understand stuff to mean what you want it to mean, even when it doesn't.
> >
> > You can't refute actual QUOTES by Joe Biden's own people, so you DODGE the facts! You might try explaining exactly WHAT they were saying.
>
> To you? You know what you want to hear and mere facts won't distracdt you from that.

Again, produce REAL FACTS or shut the fuck up. Also, improve your SPELLING.

> > > > The bottom line is that the Feds have NOTHING to do with funding and building of actual transmission lines - they can only rely on indirect incentives.
> > > >
> > > > > > Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION.
> > > >
> > > > > Which is more of Sewage Sweeper carrying on about numbers he doesn't understand.
> > > >
> > > > I do, but you DON'T!
> > >
> > > You do like to think that.
> >
> > I KNOW that! You are an electrical engineer WANNA BE - and you come up WOEFULLY SHORT!!
> You are an anonymous troll who doesn't post in electronics related threads. I doubt if you know what an 1N829 is.
> If there was an electrical engineer wanna be posting here, you'd be the obvious candidate.

You wish - you ARE the WANNA BE EE.

> > > > > > If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
>
> > > > > > https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Which tells you how much they'd cost per mile, but doesn't seem to make any kind of estimate of the of the miles of new line that might be required. Up-grading existing lines to carry more power is cheaper, but too complicated for Sewage Sweeper to get his head around.
> > > >
> > > > Take 160,000 and multiply it by 0.6; that is the number of miles Joe Biden is talking about.
> > >
> > > What 160,000? You do love your invented numbers.
> >
> > So, Bill, HOW many miles of transmission lines do YOU think there are?????
>
> What's that got to do with how many more there need to be? Bearing in mind that in many cases you will just have to up-grade existing transmission lines.

Again, you question the facts, but don't produce ANY of your own. Start at EIA.ORG.

> > > > > > and
> > > > > > https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/
> > > > >
> > > > > Which tells you how expensive it is bury transmission lines, but doesn't tell you how many mile of line ought to be buried.
> > > >
> > > > See above,
> >
> > > Sewage Sweeper expect us to take him seriously, while working tirelessly to remind us that this would be a very silly idea.

So says the IDIOT who advocates FIREBOMBING and NUKING his own damn country!

> >
> > No, I don't expect a TOTAL IDIOT to take me seriously, Bil!
>
> When in reality only a total idiot would. Sewage Sweeper does have some very silly ideas

DITTO!

>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bozo's Sewage Sweeper

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 8:23:48 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:02:39 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:42:17 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 3:59:11 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 11:47:28 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee..org wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:04:37 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:23:27 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 9:34:21 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > > To you? You know what you want to hear and mere facts won't distract you from that.
> >
> > Again, produce REAL FACTS or shut the fuck up.
> Sewage Sweeper is like John Larkin, He wants flattery, not facts.
> > > > > > The bottom line is that the Feds have NOTHING to do with funding and building of actual transmission lines - they can only rely on indirect incentives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Note that a "couple of zeroes" would make it $2,500 billion, or $2.5 TRILLION.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which is more of Sewage Sweeper carrying on about numbers he doesn't understand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do, but you DON'T!
> > > > >
> > > > > You do like to think that.
> > > >
> > > > I KNOW that! You are an electrical engineer WANNA BE - and you come up WOEFULLY SHORT!!
> > > You are an anonymous troll who doesn't post in electronics related threads. I doubt if you know what an 1N829 is.
> > > If there was an electrical engineer wanna be posting here, you'd be the obvious candidate.
> >
> > You wish - you ARE the WANNA BE EE.
> We all know that this is one of your comforting delusions. Sadly. it is even more obviously false than most of them and does make you look even more like a complete idiot.
> > > > > > > > If you think putting in high-voltage transmission lines is cheap, read this:
> > >
> > > > > > > > https://cdn.misoenergy.org/20190212%20PSC%20Item%2005a%20Transmission%20Cost%20Estimation%20Guide%20for%20MTEP%202019_for%20review317692.pdf
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which tells you how much they'd cost per mile, but doesn't seem to make any kind of estimate of the of the miles of new line that might be required. Up-grading existing lines to carry more power is cheaper, but too complicated for Sewage Sweeper to get his head around.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Take 160,000 and multiply it by 0.6; that is the number of miles Joe Biden is talking about.
> > > > >
> > > > > What 160,000? You do love your invented numbers.
> > > >
> > > > So, Bill, HOW many miles of transmission lines do YOU think there are?????
> > >
> > > What's that got to do with how many more there need to be? Bearing in mind that in many cases you will just have to up-grade existing transmission lines.
> >
> > Again, you question the facts, but don't produce ANY of your own. Start at EIA.ORG.
> Why would I bother?
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/the-grid/pge-to-bury-transmission-lines-at-cost-of-2-million-per-mile/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which tells you how expensive it is bury transmission lines, but doesn't tell you how many mile of line ought to be buried.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See above,
> > > >
> > > > > Sewage Sweeper expect us to take him seriously, while working tirelessly to remind us that this would be a very silly idea.
> >
> > So says the IDIOT who advocates FIREBOMBING and NUKING his own damn country!
> Another of Sewage Sweeper favourite delusions. I didn't, but Sewage Sweeper thinks that the claim is plausible, and can't be persuaded that it isn't..

No, they are both YOURS - just look up your absurd posts.

> > > > No, I don't expect a TOTAL IDIOT to take me seriously, Bil!
> > >
> > > When in reality only a total idiot would. Sewage Sweeper does have some very silly ideas.
> >
> > DITTO!
>
> Yet another silly idea,
>
> --
> Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney

Bozo's Sewage Sweeper

Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in news:563502a4-b49f-4440-8637-
833eb11c7993n@googlegroups.com:

> Bozo's Sewage Sweeper
>
>

You could be a little more childish, but I do not know how you would do
it. You already act like an 8 year old bully wannabe punk.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 2:47:48 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:563502a4-b49f-4440-8637-
> 833eb1...@googlegroups.com:
>
> > Bozo's Sewage Sweeper
> >
> >
>
> You could be a little more childish, but I do not know how you would do
> it. You already act like an 8 year old bully wannabe punk.

Sigh...

I expected a bit more intelligent insult from you, Decayed Brain Matter. Better up your game!

Bozo's Sewage Sweeper