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by: Savageduck - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 02:20 UTC

It was a beautiful day down at Morro Bay today, except for some hefty wind. Fortunately the Air 2S was able to handle it.

<https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>

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Regards,
Savageduck

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by: Magani - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:12 UTC

On Tuesday, 1 March 2022 at 12:20:51 pm UTC+10, Savageduck wrote:
> It was a beautiful day down at Morro Bay today, except for some hefty wind. Fortunately the Air 2S was able to handle it.
>
> <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Savageduck

Another lovely interlude, SD. Thanks.

Now I know this has been discussed in an earlier post, but the link has done much the same in not running when clicked on directly.
PC: Win10Pro
Firefox:
a) Click on link - get a new blank tab. No video or any other action happening.
b) Right click on link and select 'Copy Link'; open new tab manually and paste copied link - opens up normally and starts playing

Chrome: (same PC)
a) Click on link - get error message - "This site can’t be reached The web page at https://photos.smugmug.com...202022-1920.mp4 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. ERR_INVALID_RESPONSE". At least a bit more informative than Firefox above.
b) Right click on link and select 'Copy Link Address'; open new tab manually and paste copied link - opens up normally and starts playing

MSFT Edge: (Not surprisingly, much the same as Chrome above)

Mr Google was not my friend in any meaningful way. :-(

'Curiouser and curiouser!', cried Alice.

Cheers,
Magani

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by: Savageduck - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:54 UTC

On Mar 1, 2022, Magani wrote
(in article<3801fc22-6360-4474-ae24-09df8145c9a3n@googlegroups.com>):

> On Tuesday, 1 March 2022 at 12:20:51 pm UTC+10, Savageduck wrote:
> > It was a beautiful day down at Morro Bay today, except for some hefty wind. Fortunately the Air 2S was able to handle it.
> >
> > <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Savageduck
>
> Another lovely interlude, SD. Thanks.
>
> Now I know this has been discussed in an earlier post, but the link has done much the same in not running when clicked on directly.
> PC: Win10Pro
> Firefox:
> a) Click on link - get a new blank tab. No video or any other action happening.
> b) Right click on link and select 'Copy Link'; open new tab manually and paste copied link - opens up normally and starts playing
>
> Chrome: (same PC)
> a) Click on link - get error message - "This site can’t be reached The web page at https://photos.smugmug.com...202022-1920.mp4 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. ERR_INVALID_RESPONSE". At least a bit more informative than Firefox above.
> b) Right click on link and select 'Copy Link Address'; open new tab manually and paste copied link - opens up normally and starts playing
>
> MSFT Edge: (Not surprisingly, much the same as Chrome above)
>
> Mr Google was not my friend in any meaningful way. :-(
>
> 'Curiouser and curiouser!', cried Alice.
>
> Cheers,
> Magani

You and Whisky-dave seem to be the only folks experiencing this particular issue. You should be able to click/double click on the link, and the file should open in your default browser.

I have been using SmugMug for several years as a convenient means for sharing some of my image, and/or video work. Obviously the link I share directs to the SmugMug server, and I have no idea of how that effects how it delivers to your desktop.

I also use Apple’s iCloud Drive which allows recipients to download the file, which in the case of some of the video files can be 3+GB. My other sharing tool is Adobe CC Files.

Personally I am using macOS, and Safari which should have no effect on whatever combination you use.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

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by: Whisky-dave - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:34 UTC

On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> On Mar 1, 2022, Magani wrote
> (in article<3801fc22-6360-4474...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Tuesday, 1 March 2022 at 12:20:51 pm UTC+10, Savageduck wrote:
> > > It was a beautiful day down at Morro Bay today, except for some hefty wind. Fortunately the Air 2S was able to handle it.
> > >
> > > <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Savageduck
> >
> > Another lovely interlude, SD. Thanks.
> >
> > Now I know this has been discussed in an earlier post, but the link has done much the same in not running when clicked on directly.
> > PC: Win10Pro
> > Firefox:
> > a) Click on link - get a new blank tab. No video or any other action happening.
> > b) Right click on link and select 'Copy Link'; open new tab manually and paste copied link - opens up normally and starts playing
> >
> > Chrome: (same PC)
> > a) Click on link - get error message - "This site can’t be reached The web page at https://photos.smugmug.com...202022-1920.mp4 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. ERR_INVALID_RESPONSE". At least a bit more informative than Firefox above.
> > b) Right click on link and select 'Copy Link Address'; open new tab manually and paste copied link - opens up normally and starts playing
> >
> > MSFT Edge: (Not surprisingly, much the same as Chrome above)
> >
> > Mr Google was not my friend in any meaningful way. :-(
> >
> > 'Curiouser and curiouser!', cried Alice.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Magani
> You and Whisky-dave seem to be the only folks experiencing this particular issue. You should be able to click/double click on the link, and the file should open in your default browser.

Maybe that's the key, firefox isn't set as my default browser, but clicking on the click does open up a blank tab in firefox, so doesn't even attempt
to open the file in my default browser (Safari).
Also right clicking and saving the file just saves a mp4 file of Zero bytes..

> I have been using SmugMug for several years as a convenient means for sharing some of my image, and/or video work. Obviously the link I share directs to the SmugMug server, and I have no idea of how that effects how it delivers to your desktop.

I suspect smugmug is the cause.

As a test maybe if you could place a small mp4 (for test purposes) on icloud or CC we could test this theory .
Last time I couldn't downloard a full res. file from smugmig but could from your icloud.

Which is why I think smugmug might be the cause.
But at least there's a work around whatever the cause.

>
> I also use Apple’s iCloud Drive which allows recipients to download the file, which in the case of some of the video files can be 3+GB. My other sharing tool is Adobe CC Files.

Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
<www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>

>
> Personally I am using macOS, and Safari which should have no effect on whatever combination you use.

Should , in theory , well I work with students so know what these words really mean ;-)

>
> --
> Regards,
> Savageduck

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by: Whisky-dave - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:37 UTC

On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:

> Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
> <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>

No didn;t work, so trying these now.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4

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by: David Brooks - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:38 UTC

On 02/03/2022 00:12, Magani wrote:
> On Tuesday, 1 March 2022 at 12:20:51 pm UTC+10, Savageduck wrote:
>> It was a beautiful day down at Morro Bay today, except for some hefty wind. Fortunately the Air 2S was able to handle it.
>>
>> <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Savageduck
>
> Another lovely interlude, SD. Thanks.

Agreed! I was wonderful to climb up so high! :-D

> Now I know this has been discussed in an earlier post, but the link has done much the same in not running when clicked on directly.
> PC: Win10Pro
> Firefox:
> a) Click on link - get a new blank tab. No video or any other action happening.
> b) Right click on link and select 'Copy Link'; open new tab manually and paste copied link - opens up normally and starts playing
>
> Chrome: (same PC)
> a) Click on link - get error message - "This site can’t be reached The web page at https://photos.smugmug.com...202022-1920.mp4 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. ERR_INVALID_RESPONSE". At least a bit more informative than Firefox above.
> b) Right click on link and select 'Copy Link Address'; open new tab manually and paste copied link - opens up normally and starts playing
>
> MSFT Edge: (Not surprisingly, much the same as Chrome above)
>
> Mr Google was not my friend in any meaningful way. :-(
>
> 'Curiouser and curiouser!', cried Alice.
>

Hi Magani :-)

Everything works just fine for me (using an Apple iMac and Safari)

When I paste this link into my Brave browser the video also works -
almost instantly:-

https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4

HTH

--
David
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by: Whisky-dave - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:39 UTC

On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:37:16 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
>
>
> > Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
> > <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> No didn;t work, so trying these now.
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
>
> www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
FYI No neither worked.

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by: David Brooks - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:43 UTC

On 02/03/2022 11:37, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
>
>
>> Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
>> <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
>
> No didn;t work, so trying these now.
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
>
> www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4

BOTH of those links 'work' and take me to the video. (Apple iMac - macOS
Monterey - and Safari)

If you've not tried the Brave browser Dave, I can recommend it.

HTH

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by: nospam - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 11:49 UTC

In article <80a283cf-a588-4a7e-9ae8-a82d70f92ae3n@googlegroups.com>,
Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db35
> > 39d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> >
> >
> > www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7
> > /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
>
> FYI No neither worked.

user error

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by: David Brooks - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 12:25 UTC

On 02/03/2022 11:49, nospam wrote:
> In article <80a283cf-a588-4a7e-9ae8-a82d70f92ae3n@googlegroups.com>,
> Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db35
>>> 39d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
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>>
>> FYI No neither worked.
>
> user error

It does rather seem that way.

Any idea what he may be doing wrong?

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by: Whisky-dave - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:00 UTC

On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:50:05 UTC, nospam wrote:
> In article <80a283cf-a588-4a7e...@googlegroups.com>,
> Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >
> > > https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db35
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> > >
> > >
> > > www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7
> > > /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> >
> > FYI No neither worked.
>
> user error

Well at least it half works with the above , meaning that it's still a empty page but has the title
https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db35

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by: Whisky-dave - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 13:10 UTC

Then you should be able to tell me why this link works perfectly well (copied) from another NG
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Would this problem have stumped YOU?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250781327
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And just about every other link that I click on from the few groups I still use all work,
including dropbox, apple, UK GOV petition sites, and many others
and that the only ones that don't are the smugmug posted by SD.

Not that I know of anyone else that uses smugmug , so can't test that theory.

tempted to try this
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/image-max-url/

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by: Bill W - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 15:50 UTC

On Mar 2, 2022, Whisky-dave wrote
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> Maybe that's the key, firefox isn't set as my default browser, but clicking
> on the click does open up a blank tab in firefox, so doesn't even attempt
> to open the file in my default browser (Safari).
> Also right clicking and saving the file just saves a mp4 file of Zero bytes.

Aren’t you an IT guy? Aren’t you curious when any link doesn’t open in
the default browser? And what newsreader are you using?

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by: Savageduck - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 16:25 UTC

On Mar 2, 2022 at 3:37:11 AM PST, "Whisky-dave" <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
>
>
>> Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
>> <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db353
>> 9d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
>
> No didn;t work, so trying these now.

I wouldn’t expect that to work as it is intended to be a secure https link to
a shared file on the SmugMug server. Your copy/paste kludge should work, but
is not the way it is supposed to work.
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4

That worked as it should.
>
> www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7
> /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4

That works as a copy/paste

....and here is the 2.41GB iCloud Drive file.
<https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/055_kplx2Iezzwrvtb-5utImA#Morro_Bay_February_28_2022>
--
Regards,
Savageduck

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by: Whisky-dave - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 17:00 UTC

On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 16:25:18 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2022 at 3:37:11 AM PST, "Whisky-dave" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
> >> <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db353
> >> 9d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> >
> > No didn;t work, so trying these now.
> I wouldn’t expect that to work as it is intended to be a secure https link to
> a shared file on the SmugMug server. Your copy/paste kludge should work, but
> is not the way it is supposed to work.
> >
> > https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
>
> That worked as it should.
> >
> > www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7
> > /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
>
> That works as a copy/paste
>
> ...and here is the 2.41GB iCloud Drive file.
> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/055_kplx2Iezzwrvtb-5utImA#Morro_Bay_February_28_2022>

Yep, just a click and it starts downloading, just the way God intented :)
So something to do with smugmug.

> --
> Regards,
> Savageduck

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by: Magani - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 00:42 UTC

On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 3:00:39 am UTC+10, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 16:25:18 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > On Mar 2, 2022 at 3:37:11 AM PST, "Whisky-dave" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
> > >> <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db353
> > >> 9d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> > >
> > > No didn;t work, so trying these now.
> > I wouldn’t expect that to work as it is intended to be a secure https link to
> > a shared file on the SmugMug server. Your copy/paste kludge should work, but
> > is not the way it is supposed to work.
> > >
> > > https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> >
> > That worked as it should.
> > >
> > > www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7
> > > /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> >
> > That works as a copy/paste
> >
> > ...and here is the 2.41GB iCloud Drive file.
> > <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/055_kplx2Iezzwrvtb-5utImA#Morro_Bay_February_28_2022>
> Yep, just a click and it starts downloading, just the way God intented :)
> So something to do with smugmug.
>
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Savageduck

> You and Whisky-dave seem to be the only folks experiencing this particular issue. You should be able to click/double click on the link, and the file should open in your default browser.
Agreed. Now that I've found a work-around, it's no longer a problem (I get to see some lovely CA coastal scenery - please keep it up!) but the IT part of my brain is bemused as to why.

In addition to the previous tests, I've now tried it on:
An ASUS laptop (Win 7) with F/Fox
An HP Laptop (Win 10) with F/Fox
A virtual machine (Win 10 on UNRAID) with both F/Fox and Chrome
A virtual machine (Linux Mint on UNRAID) with F/Fox
A Samsung tablet (Android 11) with DuckDuckGo's browser

Same result for all. Regrettably, I don't have either a Mac or a Hackintosh to try it with.

Seeing it's just me and Whisky-Dave, the only conclusion I can come to is that the bug only triggers when accessed by those in Commonwealth countries. :-)

As it's still raining/blowing/flooding outside (more than half our annual rainfall in 4 days!), I may keep chipping away and see if I get some sort of lightbulb moment down the line.

Cheers,
Magani

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by: Bill W - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 00:59 UTC

On Mar 2, 2022, Magani wrote
(in article<526b53e9-aaab-41cb-a56d-80fb870d39b5n@googlegroups.com>):

> On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 3:00:39 am UTC+10, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 16:25:18 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > > On Mar 2, 2022 at 3:37:11 AM PST, "Whisky-dave" <whisk...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
> > > > > <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db35
> > > > > 3
> > > > > 9d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> > > >
> > > > No didn;t work, so trying these now.
> > > I wouldn’t expect that to work as it is intended to be a secure https
> > > link to
> > > a shared file on the SmugMug server. Your copy/paste kludge should work,
> > > but
> > > is not the way it is supposed to work.
> > > >
> > > > https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db
> > > > 3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> > >
> > > That worked as it should.
> > > >
> > > > www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539
> > > > d7
> > > > /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> > >
> > > That works as a copy/paste
> > >
> > > ...and here is the 2.41GB iCloud Drive file.
> > > <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/055_kplx2Iezzwrvtb-5utImA#Morro_Bay_Feb
> > > ruary_28_2022>
> > Yep, just a click and it starts downloading, just the way God intented :)
> > So something to do with smugmug.
> >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Savageduck
>
> > You and Whisky-dave seem to be the only folks experiencing this particular
> > issue. You should be able to click/double click on the link, and the file
> > should open in your default browser.
> Agreed. Now that I've found a work-around, it's no longer a problem (I get to
> see some lovely CA coastal scenery - please keep it up!) but the IT part of
> my brain is bemused as to why.
>
> In addition to the previous tests, I've now tried it on:
> An ASUS laptop (Win 7) with F/Fox
> An HP Laptop (Win 10) with F/Fox
> A virtual machine (Win 10 on UNRAID) with both F/Fox and Chrome
> A virtual machine (Linux Mint on UNRAID) with F/Fox
> A Samsung tablet (Android 11) with DuckDuckGo's browser
>
> Same result for all. Regrettably, I don't have either a Mac or a Hackintosh
> to try it with.
>
> Seeing it's just me and Whisky-Dave, the only conclusion I can come to is
> that the bug only triggers when accessed by those in Commonwealth countries.
> :-)
>
> As it's still raining/blowing/flooding outside (more than half our annual
> rainfall in 4 days!), I may keep chipping away and see if I get some sort of
> lightbulb moment down the line.
>
> Cheers,
> Magani

I mentioned this to Dave, but when you click on the link, does it appear in
the address bar of the browser exactly as it appears in the post you are
clicking from? If not, then something you use is breaking the URL. If it is
identical, that is the reason I mentioned DNS. If your ISP is not translating
the link properly, and something Dave said made me think that, then maybe the
DNS they and you are using is not so great, and you can just switch to
another. Pick one of the top two in this link (if you can open it):
https://www.techradar.com/news/best-dns-server

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by: Savageduck - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 01:49 UTC

On Mar 2, 2022, Magani wrote
(in article<526b53e9-aaab-41cb-a56d-80fb870d39b5n@googlegroups.com>):

It remains a mystery to me...
>
> In addition to the previous tests, I've now tried it on:
> An ASUS laptop (Win 7) with F/Fox
> An HP Laptop (Win 10) with F/Fox
> A virtual machine (Win 10 on UNRAID) with both F/Fox and Chrome
> A virtual machine (Linux Mint on UNRAID) with F/Fox
> A Samsung tablet (Android 11) with DuckDuckGo's browser
>
> Same result for all. Regrettably, I don't have either a Mac or a Hackintosh to try it with.

I have plenty of Windows using recipients who do not have your issue.
>
> Seeing it's just me and Whisky-Dave, the only conclusion I can come to is that the bug only triggers when accessed by those in Commonwealth countries. :-)

Unfortunately I have no answer.
>
>
> As it's still raining/blowing/flooding outside (more than half our annual rainfall in 4 days!), I may keep chipping away and see if I get some sort of lightbulb moment down the line.

We could do with the rain here in drought torn California.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

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by: Whisky-dave - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 11:45 UTC

On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 01:00:01 UTC, Bill W wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2022, Magani wrote
> (in article<526b53e9-aaab-41cb...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 3:00:39 am UTC+10, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 16:25:18 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > On Mar 2, 2022 at 3:37:11 AM PST, "Whisky-dave" <whisk...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
> > > > > > <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db35
> > > > > > 3
> > > > > > 9d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> > > > >
> > > > > No didn;t work, so trying these now.
> > > > I wouldn’t expect that to work as it is intended to be a secure https
> > > > link to
> > > > a shared file on the SmugMug server. Your copy/paste kludge should work,
> > > > but
> > > > is not the way it is supposed to work.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db
> > > > > 3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> > > >
> > > > That worked as it should.
> > > > >
> > > > > www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539
> > > > > d7
> > > > > /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> > > >
> > > > That works as a copy/paste
> > > >
> > > > ...and here is the 2.41GB iCloud Drive file.
> > > > <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/055_kplx2Iezzwrvtb-5utImA#Morro_Bay_Feb
> > > > ruary_28_2022>
> > > Yep, just a click and it starts downloading, just the way God intented :)
> > > So something to do with smugmug.
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Savageduck
> >
> > > You and Whisky-dave seem to be the only folks experiencing this particular
> > > issue. You should be able to click/double click on the link, and the file
> > > should open in your default browser.
> > Agreed. Now that I've found a work-around, it's no longer a problem (I get to
> > see some lovely CA coastal scenery - please keep it up!) but the IT part of
> > my brain is bemused as to why.
> >
> > In addition to the previous tests, I've now tried it on:
> > An ASUS laptop (Win 7) with F/Fox
> > An HP Laptop (Win 10) with F/Fox
> > A virtual machine (Win 10 on UNRAID) with both F/Fox and Chrome
> > A virtual machine (Linux Mint on UNRAID) with F/Fox
> > A Samsung tablet (Android 11) with DuckDuckGo's browser
> >
> > Same result for all. Regrettably, I don't have either a Mac or a Hackintosh
> > to try it with.
> >
> > Seeing it's just me and Whisky-Dave, the only conclusion I can come to is
> > that the bug only triggers when accessed by those in Commonwealth countries.
> > :-)
> >
> > As it's still raining/blowing/flooding outside (more than half our annual
> > rainfall in 4 days!), I may keep chipping away and see if I get some sort of
> > lightbulb moment down the line.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Magani
> I mentioned this to Dave, but when you click on the link, does it appear in
> the address bar of the browser exactly as it appears in the post you are
> clicking from? If not, then something you use is breaking the URL. If it is
> identical, that is the reason I mentioned DNS. If your ISP is not translating
> the link properly, and something Dave said made me think that, then maybe the
> DNS they and you are using is not so great, and you can just switch to
> another. Pick one of the top two in this link (if you can open it):
> https://www.techradar.com/news/best-dns-server

That link opens fine and fast as, as fast as a priest in a chior boy.
Problem is I can't change the DNS server such things are locked down by the college IT bods
as they don't want students or anyone else messing with such things , this reduces they chances of teh college being hacked or taken down.
Bit it starts with 138.37. same as my IP address and there are two DNS servers in the list both 138.37 but the rest is differnt

search domain also locked eecs.qmul.ac.uk

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by: Whisky-dave - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 11:54 UTC

On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 01:49:44 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2022, Magani wrote
> (in article<526b53e9-aaab-41cb...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 3:00:39 am UTC+10, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 16:25:18 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > On Mar 2, 2022 at 3:37:11 AM PST, "Whisky-dave" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
> > > > > > <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db353
> > > > > > 9d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> > > > >
> > > > > No didn;t work, so trying these now.
> > > > I wouldn’t expect that to work as it is intended to be a secure https link to
> > > > a shared file on the SmugMug server. Your copy/paste kludge should work, but
> > > > is not the way it is supposed to work.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> > > >
> > > > That worked as it should.
> > > > >
> > > > > www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db3539d7
> > > > > /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> > > >
> > > > That works as a copy/paste
> > > >
> > > > ...and here is the 2.41GB iCloud Drive file.
> > > > <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/055_kplx2Iezzwrvtb-5utImA#Morro_Bay_February_28_2022>
> > > Yep, just a click and it starts downloading, just the way God intented :)
> > > So something to do with smugmug.
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Savageduck
> >
> > > You and Whisky-dave seem to be the only folks experiencing this particular issue. You should be able to click/double click on the link, and the file should open in your default browser.
> > Agreed. Now that I've found a work-around, it's no longer a problem (I get to see some lovely CA coastal scenery - please keep it up!) but the IT part of my brain is bemused as to why.
> It remains a mystery to me...
> >
> > In addition to the previous tests, I've now tried it on:
> > An ASUS laptop (Win 7) with F/Fox
> > An HP Laptop (Win 10) with F/Fox
> > A virtual machine (Win 10 on UNRAID) with both F/Fox and Chrome
> > A virtual machine (Linux Mint on UNRAID) with F/Fox
> > A Samsung tablet (Android 11) with DuckDuckGo's browser
> >
> > Same result for all. Regrettably, I don't have either a Mac or a Hackintosh to try it with.
> I have plenty of Windows using recipients who do not have your issue.

Interesting to know, how about Mac users but it doesn't seem to be OS based maybe it's a firefox thing.

But another Q is, is it just smugmug as I'm yet to find any other 'site' has this issue.

> > Seeing it's just me and Whisky-Dave, the only conclusion I can come to is that the bug only triggers when accessed by those in Commonwealth countries. :-)

Could be and we had two tube train strikes this week, and the academics were on strike well some were.
> Unfortunately I have no answer.

Me neither but I doubt NOSPAM is correct with user error.

> >
> >
> > As it's still raining/blowing/flooding outside (more than half our annual rainfall in 4 days!), I may keep chipping away and see if I get some sort of lightbulb moment down the line.

Make sure it's an LED lightbulb don;t want to create more global warming.

> We could do with the rain here in drought torn California.

You just need a more reliable cloud service :-D

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by: David Brooks - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:36 UTC

*On 03/03/2022 11:54, Whisky-dave - *Questions*!

Can you use your mobile phone to look at Savageduck's link?

Can you use your mobile phone as a 'hotspot'?

If you can, connect your iMac wirelessly to your phone in Network
Preferences. Test on, say, the BBC - if working, try Savageduck's link
from your iMac using your phone as the Internet connection.

HTH

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by: Whisky-dave - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 13:26 UTC

On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 12:36:58 UTC, David Brooks wrote:
> *On 03/03/2022 11:54, Whisky-dave - *Questions*!
>
> Can you use your mobile phone to look at Savageduck's link?

Yes that works using the college wireless eduroam network,
using google groups just like I do on the iMac.
Opens ups the link and plays it perfectly.
This is using safari, I might try it with FF on iPhone later.

Which is the same network that I use on the iMac to access the 'web'

>
> Can you use your mobile phone as a 'hotspot'?
>
> If you can, connect your iMac wirelessly to your phone in Network
> Preferences. Test on, say, the BBC - if working, try Savageduck's link
> from your iMac using your phone as the Internet connection.
>
> HTH

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On 03/03/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 12:36:58 UTC, David Brooks wrote:
>> *On 03/03/2022 11:54, Whisky-dave - *Questions*!
>>
>> Can you use your mobile phone to look at Savageduck's link?
>
> Yes that works using the college wireless eduroam network,
> using google groups just like I do on the iMac.
> Opens ups the link and plays it perfectly.
> This is using safari, I might try it with FF on iPhone later.
>
> Which is the same network that I use on the iMac to access the 'web'

Do you have another Apple Mac available to see if you can open up the
link on a different Mac?

If you have, and you can, I suggest you restart your personal iMac in
Safe Boot mode. Safe mode may help you resolve or isolate problems that
you’re having with your Mac.

"When you start up in safe mode, your Mac prevents some software, such
as startup items, from loading, and it performs a check of your startup
disk. Your Mac may take longer to start up because of the check."

Details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262

>> Can you use your mobile phone as a 'hotspot'?
>>
>> If you can, connect your iMac wirelessly to your phone in Network
>> Preferences. Test on, say, the BBC - if working, try Savageduck's link
>> from your iMac using your phone as the Internet connection.

When you connect your phone directly to the 4G network, *can you use
your phone as a hotspot*?

HTH

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by: Whisky-dave - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 16:44 UTC

On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 14:08:49 UTC, David Brooks wrote:
> On 03/03/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 12:36:58 UTC, David Brooks wrote:
> >> *On 03/03/2022 11:54, Whisky-dave - *Questions*!
> >>
> >> Can you use your mobile phone to look at Savageduck's link?
> >
> > Yes that works using the college wireless eduroam network,
> > using google groups just like I do on the iMac.
> > Opens ups the link and plays it perfectly.
> > This is using safari, I might try it with FF on iPhone later.
> >
> > Which is the same network that I use on the iMac to access the 'web'
> Do you have another Apple Mac available to see if you can open up the
> link on a different Mac?

Not in the lab that is a mid 2011 , well mine is the only iMac in my labs.

I'll try the one at home perhaps tonnigh or tomorrow as I'm working from home
tomorrow.

>
> If you have, and you can, I suggest you restart your personal iMac in
> Safe Boot mode. Safe mode may help you resolve or isolate problems that
> you’re having with your Mac.
>
> "When you start up in safe mode, your Mac prevents some software, such
> as startup items, from loading, and it performs a check of your startup
> disk. Your Mac may take longer to start up because of the check."

I won't bother doing that too much hasslef or little to no gain.

>
> Details here:- https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201262
> >> Can you use your mobile phone as a 'hotspot'?
> >>
> >> If you can, connect your iMac wirelessly to your phone in Network
> >> Preferences. Test on, say, the BBC - if working, try Savageduck's link
> >> from your iMac using your phone as the Internet connection.
> When you connect your phone directly to the 4G network, *can you use
> your phone as a hotspot*?
>
> HTH

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by: Bill W - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 16:49 UTC

On Mar 3, 2022, Whisky-dave wrote
(in article<473edb28-9775-4e31-9fd9-3ad6db661aeen@googlegroups.com>):

> On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 01:00:01 UTC, Bill W wrote:
> > On Mar 2, 2022, Magani wrote
> > (in article<526b53e9-aaab-41cb...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > On Thursday, 3 March 2022 at 3:00:39 am UTC+10, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 16:25:18 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 2, 2022 at 3:37:11 AM PST, "Whisky-dave" <whisk...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 11:34:27 UTC, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 00:54:40 UTC, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just trying this to see if it has any affect, will report back.
> > > > > > > <www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db
> > > > > > > 35
> > > > > > > 3
> > > > > > > 9d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No didn;t work, so trying these now.
> > > > > I wouldn’t expect that to work as it is intended to be a secure https
> > > > > link to
> > > > > a shared file on the SmugMug server. Your copy/paste kludge should work,
> > > > > but
> > > > > is not the way it is supposed to work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/
> > > > > > db
> > > > > > 3539d7/1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> > > > >
> > > > > That worked as it should.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > www.photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-32KTCR5/0/db35
> > > > > > 39
> > > > > > d7
> > > > > > /1920/Morro%20Bay%20February%2028%202022-1920.mp4
> > > > >
> > > > > That works as a copy/paste
> > > > >
> > > > > ...and here is the 2.41GB iCloud Drive file.
> > > > > <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/055_kplx2Iezzwrvtb-5utImA#Morro_Bay_F
> > > > > eb
> > > > > ruary_28_2022>
> > > > Yep, just a click and it starts downloading, just the way God intented :)
> > > > So something to do with smugmug.
> > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Savageduck
> > >
> > > > You and Whisky-dave seem to be the only folks experiencing this particular
> > > > issue. You should be able to click/double click on the link, and the file
> > > > should open in your default browser.
> > > Agreed. Now that I've found a work-around, it's no longer a problem (I get
> > > to
> > > see some lovely CA coastal scenery - please keep it up!) but the IT part of
> > > my brain is bemused as to why.
> > >
> > > In addition to the previous tests, I've now tried it on:
> > > An ASUS laptop (Win 7) with F/Fox
> > > An HP Laptop (Win 10) with F/Fox
> > > A virtual machine (Win 10 on UNRAID) with both F/Fox and Chrome
> > > A virtual machine (Linux Mint on UNRAID) with F/Fox
> > > A Samsung tablet (Android 11) with DuckDuckGo's browser
> > >
> > > Same result for all. Regrettably, I don't have either a Mac or a Hackintosh
> > > to try it with.
> > >
> > > Seeing it's just me and Whisky-Dave, the only conclusion I can come to is
> > > that the bug only triggers when accessed by those in Commonwealth
> > > countries.
> > > > -)
> > >
> > > As it's still raining/blowing/flooding outside (more than half our annual
> > > rainfall in 4 days!), I may keep chipping away and see if I get some sort
> > > of
> > > lightbulb moment down the line.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Magani
> > I mentioned this to Dave, but when you click on the link, does it appear in
> > the address bar of the browser exactly as it appears in the post you are
> > clicking from? If not, then something you use is breaking the URL. If it is
> > identical, that is the reason I mentioned DNS. If your ISP is not
> > translating
> > the link properly, and something Dave said made me think that, then maybe
> > the
> > DNS they and you are using is not so great, and you can just switch to
> > another. Pick one of the top two in this link (if you can open it):
> > https://www.techradar.com/news/best-dns-server
>
> That link opens fine and fast as, as fast as a priest in a chior boy.
> Problem is I can't change the DNS server such things are locked down by the
> college IT bods
> as they don't want students or anyone else messing with such things , this
> reduces they chances of teh college being hacked or taken down.
> Bit it starts with 138.37. same as my IP address and there are two DNS
> servers in the list both 138.37 but the rest is differnt
>
> search domain also locked eecs.qmul.ac.uk

You glossed over one important question: when you click on a link, does it
appear in the browser address bar exactly as the link you clicked on in the
post? If not, then the link is breaking somewhere after you click on it. If
it is the same, didn’t you say somewhere that you saw an error message that
the browser couldn’t find the address of the link? That is why I brought up
DNS. And if this is happening only at work, why are you bothering with it?
There’s nothing you can do about it. And that DNS you saw might be only the
IP of the school’s gateway, not the actual DNS being used.

Subject	Author
Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Savageduck
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Magani
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Savageduck
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	nospam
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Savageduck
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Magani
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Bill W
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Bill W
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Savageduck
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Magani
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Bill W
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Magani
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Bill W
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Bill W
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	David Brooks
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Whisky-dave
Re: Back to a Windy Morro Bay	Magani