Not what you're thinking. Not vaccines!

https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-ally-says-wests-deliveries-new-weapons-kyiv-will-lead-global-catastrophe-2023-01-22/

Food for thought, though.

Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

> Not what you're thinking. Not vaccines!
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-ally-says-wests-deliveries-new-weapon
> s-kyiv-will-lead-global-catastrophe-2023-01-22/
>
> Food for thought, though.

The Russians are not known for making accurate or truthful statements.

There is no definition of what they are referring to when they state
"global catastrophe." This is purely a scare tactic and has no meaning. It
is a well-known Russian techique. There are many sites available that
expose Russian lies. For example, see

https://www.youtube.com/c/arturrehi/videos Artur Rehi
https://www.youtube.com/c/CombatVeteranReacts/videos Combat Veteran Reacts
<- very good
https://www.youtube.com/c/CRUXnews/videos CRUX
https://www.youtube.com/c/FRANCE24English/videos FRANCE 24 English -
some Ukraine news
https://www.youtube.com/c/JoeBlogs/videos Joe Blogs
https://www.youtube.com/c/ObservationRoom/videos Observation Room
webcams
https://www.youtube.com/c/ReportingfromUkraine/videos Reporting from
Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/c/RoadHomeMotorcycleVlogs/videos Denys Davydov <-
one of the best
https://www.youtube.com/c/SpeakTheTruth1/videos Speak The Truth <-
includes Russian debate forums
https://www.youtube.com/c/StoneNews/videos Stone News
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRussianDude/videos The Russian Dude <-
very good. often exposes Russian lies
https://www.youtube.com/c/thesun/videos The Sun <- mixed news
https://www.youtube.com/c/TVPWorld/videos TVP World - TVP is a Polish
public broadcast service
https://www.youtube.com/c/UkraineMatters/videos Ukraine Matters <- very
good
https://www.youtube.com/c/UntoldNews123/videos Untold News <- very
good
https://www.youtube.com/c/WarthogProduction/videos Warthog Defense
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_lhKBhtwVdCbHnOwvqWy3Q/videos 36
Update
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb0GYK5KGwvUuzCc7Elpy8g/videos Ukraine
War News
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbue2DdTM_S5LPvPeOYyP3A/videos US Daily
Brief
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdznjFSmraAyvvriH6uU02g/videos JMS WW2
<- weather report, russian attacks
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi5PgcN1EK-2M0PwgLY9LOA/videos U.S
Daily News
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClr64HeYV2cITlfKu4Q-PDw/videos US
Update News
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QApi8G2TKc8NZmeDWSUg/videos War in
Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqCDbp0R2MsAPyKLHkDiEBA/videos TCM
Clips
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqQOZUzmRhGLUj6sXXl0zBg/videos U.S
Military News <- excellent
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXZs3e_VSlYgrUuTqm3GgVA/videos
Suchomimus

.... and so on

--
MRM

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 4:27:31 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Not what you're thinking. Not vaccines!
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-ally-says-wests-deliveries-new-weapons-kyiv-will-lead-global-catastrophe-2023-01-22/
>
> Food for thought, though.

Putin Has Escape Plan to Venezuela if Russia Loses War: Former Speechwriter

According to Gallyamov, the project has been unofficially named "Noah's Ark." Argentina and Venezuela are allegedly among the top options for Putin to flee to, but China was considered in the early stages of talks.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-escape-plan-venezuela-russia-loses-war-1765383

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 02:23:16 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 8:27:31 PM UTC+11, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Not what you're thinking. Not vaccines!
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-ally-says-wests-deliveries-new-weapons-kyiv-will-lead-global-catastrophe-2023-01-22/
>>
>> Food for thought, though.
>
>The thought is that the Russians are facing defeat, and are prepared to make all kinds of fatuous claims the unrealistic hope of frightening people out of supporting the Ukraine. Putin might be crazy enough to threaten Armageddon, but his colleagues probably aren't crazy enough to let him follow through.

I believe you have that the wrong way round, Bill.

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 13:35:58 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
<spamme@not.com> wrote:

>Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not what you're thinking. Not vaccines!
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-ally-says-wests-deliveries-new-weapon
>> s-kyiv-will-lead-global-catastrophe-2023-01-22/
>>
>> Food for thought, though.
>
>The Russians are not known for making accurate or truthful statements.

What the Russians are known for is being inscrutable. That's all and
it was ever thus. But this language is the strongest we've heard in 60
years and only a damn fool would dismiss it out of hand.

>
>There is no definition of what they are referring to when they state
>"global catastrophe." This is purely a scare tactic and has no meaning. It
>is a well-known Russian techique. There are many sites available that
>expose Russian lies. For example, see
>
>https://www.youtube.com/c/arturrehi/videos Artur Rehi
>https://www.youtube.com/c/CombatVeteranReacts/videos Combat Veteran Reacts
><- very good
>https://www.youtube.com/c/CRUXnews/videos CRUX
>https://www.youtube.com/c/FRANCE24English/videos FRANCE 24 English -
>some Ukraine news
>https://www.youtube.com/c/JoeBlogs/videos Joe Blogs
>https://www.youtube.com/c/ObservationRoom/videos Observation Room
>webcams
>https://www.youtube.com/c/ReportingfromUkraine/videos Reporting from
>Ukraine
>https://www.youtube.com/c/RoadHomeMotorcycleVlogs/videos Denys Davydov <-
>one of the best
>https://www.youtube.com/c/SpeakTheTruth1/videos Speak The Truth <-
>includes Russian debate forums
>https://www.youtube.com/c/StoneNews/videos Stone News
>https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRussianDude/videos The Russian Dude <-
>very good. often exposes Russian lies
>https://www.youtube.com/c/thesun/videos The Sun <- mixed news
>https://www.youtube.com/c/TVPWorld/videos TVP World - TVP is a Polish
>public broadcast service
>https://www.youtube.com/c/UkraineMatters/videos Ukraine Matters <- very
>good
>https://www.youtube.com/c/UntoldNews123/videos Untold News <- very
>good
>https://www.youtube.com/c/WarthogProduction/videos Warthog Defense
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_lhKBhtwVdCbHnOwvqWy3Q/videos 36
>Update
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb0GYK5KGwvUuzCc7Elpy8g/videos Ukraine
>War News
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbue2DdTM_S5LPvPeOYyP3A/videos US Daily
>Brief
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdznjFSmraAyvvriH6uU02g/videos JMS WW2
><- weather report, russian attacks
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi5PgcN1EK-2M0PwgLY9LOA/videos U.S
>Daily News
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClr64HeYV2cITlfKu4Q-PDw/videos US
>Update News
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QApi8G2TKc8NZmeDWSUg/videos War in
>Ukraine
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqCDbp0R2MsAPyKLHkDiEBA/videos TCM
>Clips
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqQOZUzmRhGLUj6sXXl0zBg/videos U.S
>Military News <- excellent
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXZs3e_VSlYgrUuTqm3GgVA/videos
> Suchomimus
>
>... and so on

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 08:46:56 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 4:27:31 AM UTC-5, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> Not what you're thinking. Not vaccines!
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-ally-says-wests-deliveries-new-weapons-kyiv-will-lead-global-catastrophe-2023-01-22/
>>
>> Food for thought, though.
>
>Putin Has Escape Plan to Venezuela if Russia Loses War: Former Speechwriter
>
>According to Gallyamov, the project has been unofficially named "Noah's Ark." Argentina and Venezuela are allegedly among the top options for Putin to flee to, but China was considered in the early stages of talks.
>
>https://www.newsweek.com/putin-escape-plan-venezuela-russia-loses-war-1765383

The only reason for Putin to flee is if he was ousted. The most likely
reason he'd be ousted is for being perceived as too weak - which he
is. It's his most likely replacement we need to be concerned about.
I'd put money on that person being a bellicose ultra-nationalist and
it will be *our* meddling in a sphere of the world in which we have no
legitimate interest that'll bring it about.

Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:

>>The Russians are not known for making accurate or truthful statements.
>
> What the Russians are known for is being inscrutable. That's all and
> it was ever thus. But this language is the strongest we've heard in 60
> years and only a damn fool would dismiss it out of hand.

You obviously have not paid attention to Putin's lies that are refuted by
many sites.

Putin claims that western assistance to Ukraine would be "a global
catastrophe." His invasion of Ukraine has already caused a global
catastrophe and has resulted in sanctions that will destroy Russia.

Putin has not specified what he means by "global catastrophe." He is losing
in Ukraine, and will make all kinds of wild statements to try to intimidate
western countries.

Putin has threatened nuclear retaliation many times. No one takes him
seriously, although they continue to monitor the situation. He has done
nothing to prepare his arsenal, his route to the missiles is under the
control of Norway, and Putin is perfectly aware he would die if he used
nuclear weapons. His generals also know what would happen and would shoot
him if he tried.

You obviously are ignorant of the actual situation and prefer to make
frightening claims to get attention. Since your intentions are clear and
dishonorable, I now PLONK you and will never see your posts again.

Bye.

--
MRM

Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
> Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>>> The Russians are not known for making accurate or truthful statements.
>>
>> What the Russians are known for is being inscrutable. That's all and
>> it was ever thus. But this language is the strongest we've heard in 60
>> years and only a damn fool would dismiss it out of hand.
>
> You obviously have not paid attention to Putin's lies that are refuted by
> many sites.
>
> Putin claims that western assistance to Ukraine would be "a global
> catastrophe." His invasion of Ukraine has already caused a global
> catastrophe and has resulted in sanctions that will destroy Russia.
>
> Putin has not specified what he means by "global catastrophe." He is losing
> in Ukraine, and will make all kinds of wild statements to try to intimidate
> western countries.
>
> Putin has threatened nuclear retaliation many times. No one takes him
> seriously, although they continue to monitor the situation. He has done
> nothing to prepare his arsenal, his route to the missiles is under the
> control of Norway, and Putin is perfectly aware he would die if he used
> nuclear weapons. His generals also know what would happen and would shoot
> him if he tried.
>
> You obviously are ignorant of the actual situation and prefer to make
> frightening claims to get attention. Since your intentions are clear and
> dishonorable, I now PLONK you and will never see your posts again.
>
> Bye.

Hmm.

Do you or do you not think that whoever controls the Russian missile
force can inflict catastrophic damage on the US?

Do you or do you not think that there is a range of opinions within
official Russia as to how bad things have to get before they would
consider unleashing that force?

What is your estimate of that range? Losing Crimea, which has been
Russian since the reign of Catherine the Great, and was transferred to
the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by Khrushchev? Overrunning
Moscow? A credible threat to deploy NATO ground forces in Ukraine? You
don't know? Neither do I.

How sure does one need to be about that, to make it a rational policy
option to pour a major fraction of NATO's materiel inventory into a
nasty border dispute between bits of the former Soviet Union?
(Even ignoring what the West has been doing in Ukraine since they
overthrew the elected government in 2014. It wasn't that great an
election, granted, but it was a lot better than armed force.)

And how sure can one be that what the media tell us are a sufficient
basis for making that determination? It's a pretty big bet on a very
small matter, globally speaking.

Just saying.

Phil Hobbs

On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 23:10:33 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
<spamme@not.com> wrote:

>Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
>
>>>The Russians are not known for making accurate or truthful statements.
>>
>> What the Russians are known for is being inscrutable. That's all and
>> it was ever thus. But this language is the strongest we've heard in 60
>> years and only a damn fool would dismiss it out of hand.
>
>You obviously have not paid attention to Putin's lies that are refuted by
>many sites.
>
>Putin claims that western assistance to Ukraine would be "a global
>catastrophe." His invasion of Ukraine has already caused a global
>catastrophe and has resulted in sanctions that will destroy Russia.
>
>Putin has not specified what he means by "global catastrophe." He is losing
>in Ukraine, and will make all kinds of wild statements to try to intimidate
>western countries.
>
>Putin has threatened nuclear retaliation many times. No one takes him
>seriously, although they continue to monitor the situation. He has done
>nothing to prepare his arsenal, his route to the missiles is under the
>control of Norway, and Putin is perfectly aware he would die if he used
>nuclear weapons. His generals also know what would happen and would shoot
>him if he tried.
>
>You obviously are ignorant of the actual situation and prefer to make
>frightening claims to get attention. Since your intentions are clear and
>dishonorable, I now PLONK you and will never see your posts again.
>
>Bye.

My only concern is that Putin may be deposed for losing in Ukraine and
be replaced by a militant ultra-nationalist (of which there are many
waiting in the wings) who is far, far worse. That is the chance we are
taking by our actions and I personally don't fancy taking such a huge
risk over essentially some insignificant border dispute which is being
blown out of all proportion.

On 22-Jan-23 8:27 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> Not what you're thinking. Not vaccines!
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-ally-says-wests-deliveries-new-weapons-kyiv-will-lead-global-catastrophe-2023-01-22/
>
> Food for thought, though.

Putin has been saying this kind of thing all along. For the moment he
seems to be sane enough to realise that the resulting deaths would
include himself and those cares about (though the latter may number zero).

Sylvia.

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 3:29:12 PM UTC-8, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> How sure does one need to be about that, to make it a rational policy
> option to pour a major fraction of NATO's materiel inventory into a
> nasty border dispute between bits of the former Soviet Union?
> (Even ignoring what the West has been doing in Ukraine since they
> overthrew the elected government in 2014. It wasn't that great an
> election, granted, but it was a lot better than armed force.)

Hmm. I wasn't paying close-enough attention at the time, and it sounds
like you may have been. What exactly has the West been doing in Ukraine
since "they" (by which I assume you mean the Ukrainian people themselves,
and not Western interests, since it's known that Yanukovych was actively
supported by Paul Manafort and other Westerners) overthrew the elected
government in 2014?

-- john, KE5FX

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:30:41 AM UTC-8, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 13:35:58 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
> <spa...@not.com> wrote:

> >The Russians are not known for making accurate or truthful statements.
> What the Russians are known for is being inscrutable. That's all and
> it was ever thus. But this language is the strongest we've heard in 60
> years and only a damn fool would dismiss it out of hand.

Lies, certainly, but inscrutable?
Nah; Molotov's claim that the Russo-Finnish war was a matter of food
delivery is a classic, as is the so-called military assistance the USSR
rendered to Poland while Hitler invaded (Beria ordered thousands
of Poland's government and military and intelligentsia to be first taken
prisoner, then, in secret, slaughtered).

Mainly, when a translation from Russian is inscrutable, it's because there's
a background of slanted rhetoric, perhaps using untranslatable puns, or
keywords that refer to some obscure prepared fiction that "everyone knows".

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

> Hmm.
>
> Do you or do you not think that whoever controls the Russian missile
> force can inflict catastrophic damage on the US?
>
> Do you or do you not think that there is a range of opinions within
> official Russia as to how bad things have to get before they would
> consider unleashing that force?
>
> What is your estimate of that range? Losing Crimea, which has been
> Russian since the reign of Catherine the Great, and was transferred to
> the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by Khrushchev? Overrunning
> Moscow? A credible threat to deploy NATO ground forces in Ukraine? You
> don't know? Neither do I.
>
> How sure does one need to be about that, to make it a rational policy
> option to pour a major fraction of NATO's materiel inventory into a
> nasty border dispute between bits of the former Soviet Union?
> (Even ignoring what the West has been doing in Ukraine since they
> overthrew the elected government in 2014. It wasn't that great an
> election, granted, but it was a lot better than armed force.)
>
> And how sure can one be that what the media tell us are a sufficient
> basis for making that determination? It's a pretty big bet on a very
> small matter, globally speaking.
>
> Just saying.
>
> Phil Hobbs
Relax. Putin has no intention of starting WWIII. In order to launch
a tactical nuke, the warheads would have to be retrieved from a
storage bunker and mounted on the missile. See

What We Know About How a Russian Nuclear Strike Could Play Out | WSJ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5yCz_UN5CE

Western intelligence sources would quickly detect this and issue a
warning.

Despite Putin's issuing nuclear threats, no movement of warheads has
ever occurred.

In addition, western powers have made it clear what would happen if
Putin issued a nuclear strike. Putin is not stupid. He knows he
would not survive. His generals know this also and would never allow
Putin to start a nuclear war.

I have been following the Russian invasion of Ukraine since it
started. On 1 Mar 2022, I posted the following warning, and R Legg
followed up:
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From: Mike Monett <spamme@not.com>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 03:09:54 -0000 (UTC)
Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org sci.electronics.design:661685

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:07:24 -0800, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

[...]

>>What a nut case. Wasn't Hitler germ-phobic? Or was that Howard Hughes?
>
> https://news.yahoo.com/photos-putin-keeps-his-distance-during-meetings-19
> 4633383.html

Not a whisper of the sanctions against Putin and Russia. These will wreck
the Russian economy. Putin wisely keeps his distance.

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Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:47:32 -0500

Whatever alert it was, it wasn't 'high alert'.

There's no evidence of any change to the Russian nuclear
weapons alert status.

RL
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Since then, Ukraine has destroyed the Crimea bridge, liberated
Kherson, attacked airfields in Russia, and attacked weapons depots
and oil storage facilities in Russia. Despite Russian warnings that
attacks on Russia would result in a nuclear response, there has not
been a whisper from Putin. He did wave the nuke flag recently when
western nations promised to supply modern tanks to Ukraine, but
there was no change in the nuclear status. See

Will Russia use nuclear weapons? Putin's warnings explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4B3wS8kyuw

So until we see warheads moved from storage and mounted on missiles,
Putin's nuclear threats are just bluff.

--
MRM