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 by: Dale - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 02:21 UTC

combine two jpegs?

Windows default program? Photos or Paint?

Adobe Creative Cloud Express leaves messy text. The jpegs are from a PDF
exported from Adobe Acrobat Pro DC

PDF is fine, and look fine in Adobe Acrobat Pro DC

Photoshop Express or plain Photoshop? Creative Cloud?

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 by: Mayayana - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 03:07 UTC

"Dale" <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote

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You want a graphic editor with a mulltiple document
interface, so that you can create an image, paste other
images into it, resize, etc. You can get Paint Shop Pro
for free here:

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/paint-shop-pro/

I still use v. 5.01, which I paid $100 for, but now it's
free. I also have PSP 16, but rarely use that. Corel
bought it and made a bloated mess of it. The old version
is simple and does most things.

Paint.Net might still be around. There's also GIMP
for Windows. There are probably lots of others, but I
haven't looked around for a long time. Unless you're
doing commercial graphics, these programs are probably
all you need. Raster graphics is not all that complex.

Irfan View is a beautiful program that does many things,
but the one thing it lacks is an MDI window. So it's
awkard when you want to select, copy, paste, work
with levels, etc.

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 by: T - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 03:18 UTC

On 3/11/22 18:21, Dale wrote:
> combine two jpegs?
>
> Windows default program? Photos or Paint?
>
> Adobe Creative Cloud Express leaves messy text. The jpegs are from a PDF
> exported from Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>
> PDF is fine, and look fine in Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>
> Photoshop Express or plain Photoshop? Creative Cloud?
>

I use Inkscape.

https://inkscape.org

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 by: Paul - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 04:10 UTC

On 3/11/2022 9:21 PM, Dale wrote:
> combine two jpegs?
>
> Windows default program? Photos or Paint?
>
> Adobe Creative Cloud Express leaves messy text. The jpegs are from a PDF exported from Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>
> PDF is fine, and look fine in Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>
> Photoshop Express or plain Photoshop? Creative Cloud?
>

It depends on whether the images are at exactly the same scale.

Take, for example, map panels in an art book.
Each panel is 8.5x11 , and when the panels are placed
next to one another, they make a wall map.

The problem is, as paper ages (in the art book), it stretches
or shrinks different amounts in X and Y. This causes problems
when scanning the book and placing all the images next to one
another in Photoshop. The images don't line up then.

That's when a tool like Microsoft ICE can help.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/computational-photography-applications/image-composite-editor/?from=http%3A%2F%2Fresearch.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fum%2Fredmond%2Fprojects%2Fice%2F

So what it would do, is shrink or stretch or transform the
images, based on the knowledge that at one time, they formed
a cohesive larger image.

This is the "stitching" that poster Nobody refers to.

One problem with Microsoft ICE, is that the transform set
is not that nice. There are things like Mercator Projections,
things that might apply to certain map types. But perhaps for
other purposes, it doesn't have just the right transform
for the job.

*******

In cases where the source JPGs were "meant" to be joined,
a simple editor application can copy and paste two panes
into a new image pane. I use version 2.6.8 on this machine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160529035634/https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.6/windows/

But there are more modern versions, each gets a little closer
to Photoshop, but not being even remotely close to as functional
as Photoshop. (Photoshop has macros. Photoshop supports math
on images such as A+B/2 for averaging. And Photoshop has special
functions for erasing people from images, PhotoChopping.)

https://www.gimp.org

But when it comes to stitching, it's very hard to get all
the best features and maths in the one tool. There are cameras
that rotate on a pedestal and take panoramic pictures, and
you can stitch those together to make much larger images.
Stitching really large image sets, can take a 2TB scratch
drive and a week of computation. So start small, with two
images first, so that the stitch won't take more than ten
minutes.

I have copies of Microsoft ICE here, and have used it
a bit in the past.

Paul

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 by: Piet - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:02 UTC

Dale wrote:
> combine two jpegs?
>
> Windows default program? Photos or Paint?
>
> Adobe Creative Cloud Express leaves messy text. The jpegs
> are from a PDF exported from Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>
> PDF is fine, and look fine in Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>
> Photoshop Express or plain Photoshop? Creative Cloud?

Irfanview.
Combine two jpg's using your suggested solutions and
with Irfanview, then look at the resulting file sizes.
("Save quality 80" yields excellent results)

-p

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 by: Savageduck - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 15:31 UTC

On Mar 11, 2022, Dale wrote
(in article <t0h032$liq$1@dont-email.me>):

> combine two jpegs?

My first question is: What do you mean by “combine two jpegs”?
Do you mean compositing?
Do you mean overlay, and blend?
Do you mean stitch, as a mosaic?
Do you mean place one jpeg as an insert?
....or something else entirely?
>
>
> Windows default program? Photos or Paint?

Sorry, the last time I used a Windows machine for anything was in 2009. All my graphics & image editing is done with macOS software.
>
> Adobe Creative Cloud Express leaves messy text. The jpegs are from a PDF
> exported from Adobe Acrobat Pro DC

There is your first problem. Sourcing the JPEGs from a PDF is never going to deliver good results. You should always work from first generation JPEGs, or RAW.
>
> PDF is fine, and look fine in Adobe Acrobat Pro DC

It should, after all it is a PDF in software intended for PDF creation, editing, and rendering.
>
> Photoshop Express or plain Photoshop? Creative Cloud?

For most of this level of editing Photoshop is the go to tool. However, your results are always going to be marginal trying to reverse engineer from a PDF.

If for some reason you are reluctant to use Adobe stuff there is Affinity Photo, and Affinity Designer, both are available for Windows & macOS.
<https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/>
<https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/designer/>

--
Regards,
Savageduck

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 by: Dale - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 16:50 UTC

On 3/12/2022 10:31 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> Do you mean compositing?

yes

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 by: Dale - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:04 UTC

On 3/12/2022 10:31 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> ... Sourcing the JPEGs from a PDF ...

I have edited my own PDf files into HTML. Not just conversions.

Just need to work with PDF files from others.

Amazon Silk Browser doesn't yet show PDF files. I use this on my FireTV.

PDF files look too small on iPhone.

Good HTML or an image file is fine. Other options?

Asked some of the same conversion questions on HTML/CSS groups also.

comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
alt.html
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets

I may be stuck with some PDFs ...

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 by: mike - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:15 UTC

On 12-03-2022 07:51 Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

> combine two jpegs?

Do you mean put them next to each other as in being tiled?
Or do you mean melded on top of one another, as in morphing?

Anything can tile, even Irfanviewer which isn't even an editor.

These can morph.
http://www.facemorpher.com
http://www.effectmatrix.com/morphing
http://www.fantamorph.com
http://www.xiberpix.net/SqirlzMorph.html
http://www.morpheussoftware.net
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 by: Dale - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:20 UTC

On 3/12/2022 12:15 PM, mike wrote:
> ... Do you mean put them next to each other ...

side by side

or top and bottom

top and bottom would be better for printing

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 by: nospam - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:22 UTC

In article <t0iko6$8f2$1@dont-email.me>, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
wrote:

>
> side by side
>
> or top and bottom
>
> top and bottom would be better for printing

earlier, you said compositing:
In article <t0ij0b$pnr$1@dont-email.me>, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 10:31 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> > Do you mean compositing?
>
> yes

now you say tiling.

as usual, this is nothing more than a troll.

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 by: Herbert Kleebauer - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:23 UTC

On 12.03.2022 03:21, Dale wrote:
> combine two jpegs?
>
> Windows default program? Photos or Paint?

Here 3 examples which doesn't modify the quality of
the pictures. They are just copied into the output
file without any modification.

==============================================================

The simplest way:

copy /b pict1.jpg + pict2.jpg both.jpg

Display a multi-picture jpeg file for example with
http://ikomi.de/pub/jpeg/pfp.zip

==============================================================

Or convert the 2 jpg to a single html file with this
batch and display them with any web browser:

@echo off
:: select jpg files and drop them onto this batch
:: generates all_jpg.html with jpg's included

>all_jpg.html echo ^<html^>^<head^>^</head^>^<body^>

:chk
if "%~1" == "" goto :end
>>all_jpg.html echo ^<img src="data:image/jpg;base64,
certutil -f -encode %1 _._
>>all_jpg.html find /v "----" <_._
>>all_jpg.html echo.
>>all_jpg.html echo " width=100%% border=0><br>%1<br>&nbsp;<br>
shift
goto chk

:end
>>all_jpg.html echo ^</body^>^</html^>
del _._
start all_jpg.html

==============================================================

Or use this batch to generate a pdf file with the pictures:

@echo off
:: generates a pdf picture show from the jpeg files

:: copy all jpgs, this batch and makepdf2.exe (http://ikomi.de/jpg2pdf.zip)
:: into a folder and start this batch

:: Size of the photo book in cm
set x=32
set y=18

:: background color rot/gruen/blau (0..1)
::set color=.333 .333 .333
set color=.2 .1 0

:: Anzeigedauer pro Bild, 0 fuer unendlich
set dur=2

set /a x=x*7200/254
set /a y=y*7200/254

set /a x2=x/2
set /a y2=y/2

set n=0
set nl=
set k=1

>tmp.pex echo ^<paper %x% %y% fullscreen %dur%

for /f "tokens=*" %%i in ('dir /b *.jpg') do (
set /a n=n+1
>>tmp.pex call echo jpg+ %%n%% %%i)
>>tmp.pex echo ^>

for /l %%i in (1,1,%n%) do call :sub %%i

if exist tmp.pdf del tmp.pdf

:: documentation and source code for makepdf2.exe:
:: http://ikomi.de/pub/pdf/makepdf.zip

makepdf2 tmp.pex tmp.pdf

if exist tmp.pex del tmp.pex
start tmp.pdf

goto :eof

:sub
set /a j=%k%-(!(%1 %% 10))
>>tmp.pex echo %nl%{%color% rg 0 0 m %x% 0 l %x% %y% l 0 %y% l h f}
>>tmp.pex echo ^<outline %j% [Seite %1] pict+ %1 -%x2% -%y2% -%x% -%y%^>
set nl=\f
set k=2

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 by: Dale - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:49 UTC

On 3/12/2022 12:23 PM, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
> convert the 2 jpg to a single html

it has just come to me, for this application, that I could composite the
two jpegs in HTML

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 by: Dale - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:49 UTC

On 3/12/2022 11:50 AM, Dale wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 10:31 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>> Do you mean compositing?
>
> yes
>

it has just come to me, for this application, that I could composite the
two jpegs in HTML

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 by: Dale - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:51 UTC

On 3/12/2022 12:23 PM, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
> On 12.03.2022 03:21, Dale wrote:
>> combine two jpegs?
>>
>> Windows default program? Photos or Paint?
>
> Here 3 examples which doesn't modify the quality of
> the pictures. They are just copied into the output
> file without any modification.
>
>
> ==============================================================
>
> The simplest way:
>
> copy /b pict1.jpg + pict2.jpg both.jpg
>
> Display a multi-picture jpeg file for example with
> http://ikomi.de/pub/jpeg/pfp.zip
>
> ==============================================================
>
> Or convert the 2 jpg to a single html file with this
> batch and display them with any web browser:
>
> @echo off
> :: select jpg files and drop them onto this batch
> :: generates all_jpg.html with jpg's included
>
> >all_jpg.html echo ^<html^>^<head^>^</head^>^<body^>
>
> :chk
> if "%~1" == "" goto :end
> >>all_jpg.html echo ^<img src="data:image/jpg;base64,
>                certutil -f -encode %1 _._
> >>all_jpg.html find /v "----" <_._
> >>all_jpg.html echo.
> >>all_jpg.html echo " width=100%% border=0><br>%1<br>&nbsp;<br>
> shift
> goto chk
>
> :end
> >>all_jpg.html echo ^</body^>^</html^>
> del _._
> start all_jpg.html
>
> ==============================================================
>
> Or use this batch to generate a pdf file with the pictures:
>
> @echo off
> :: generates a pdf picture show from the jpeg files
>
> :: copy all jpgs, this batch and makepdf2.exe (http://ikomi.de/jpg2pdf.zip)
> :: into a folder and start this batch
>
> :: Size of the photo book in cm
> set x=32
> set y=18
>
> :: background color rot/gruen/blau (0..1)
> ::set color=.333 .333 .333
> set color=.2 .1 0
>
> :: Anzeigedauer pro Bild, 0 fuer unendlich
> set dur=2
>
> set /a x=x*7200/254
> set /a y=y*7200/254
>
> set /a x2=x/2
> set /a y2=y/2
>
> set n=0
> set nl=
> set k=1
>
> >tmp.pex echo ^<paper %x% %y% fullscreen %dur%
>
> for /f "tokens=*" %%i in ('dir /b *.jpg') do (
> set /a n=n+1
> >>tmp.pex call echo jpg+ %%n%% %%i)
> >>tmp.pex echo ^>
>
>
> for /l %%i in (1,1,%n%) do  call :sub %%i
>
> if exist tmp.pdf del tmp.pdf
>
> :: documentation and source code for makepdf2.exe:
> :: http://ikomi.de/pub/pdf/makepdf.zip
>
> makepdf2 tmp.pex tmp.pdf
>
> if exist tmp.pex del tmp.pex
> start tmp.pdf
>
> goto :eof
>
>
> :sub
> set /a j=%k%-(!(%1 %% 10))
> >>tmp.pex echo %nl%{%color% rg 0 0 m %x% 0 l %x% %y% l 0 %y% l h f}
> >>tmp.pex echo ^<outline %j% [Seite %1] pict+ %1 -%x2% -%y2% -%x% -%y%^>
> set nl=\f
> set k=2

Thanks Much!!!!!!!!!!

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 by: Dale - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:55 UTC

On 3/12/2022 12:22 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <t0iko6$8f2$1@dont-email.me>, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> side by side
>>
>> or top and bottom
>>
>> top and bottom would be better for printing
>
> earlier, you said compositing:
> In article <t0ij0b$pnr$1@dont-email.me>, Dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
> wrote:
>> On 3/12/2022 10:31 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> Do you mean compositing?
>>
>> yes
>
> now you say tiling.
>

ok, both are layout?

> as usual, this is nothing more than a troll.

?

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 22:07:21, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>"Dale" <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote
>
>| combine two jpegs?
>|
(Wasn't clear what he meant by "combine". When Savageduck asked, giving
a list that included both compositing and stitching, he chose the
former, but subsequent posts and his replies suggested he _did_ mean
stitching.)
>
> You want a graphic editor with a mulltiple document
>interface, so that you can create an image, paste other
>images into it, resize, etc. You can get Paint Shop Pro
>for free here:
>
>http://www.oldversion.com/windows/paint-shop-pro/
>
> I still use v. 5.01, which I paid $100 for, but now it's

I used to have 5, which I used because IrfanView didn't have what PSP
called a "Clone Brush" for touch-up; I also had 7, which I used when I
had an image that was too big for 5. (I think less than five times!) I
find I have the installer for 7 on this machine - don't think I've ever
installed it. I subsequently discovered IrfanView does have that feature
anyway - not sure when it was added, as it's part of the "paint toolbox"
which I didn't discover had been added until some versions after it was!

>free. I also have PSP 16, but rarely use that. Corel
>bought it and made a bloated mess of it. The old version
>is simple and does most things.
[]
> Irfan View is a beautiful program that does many things,
>but the one thing it lacks is an MDI window. So it's
>awkard when you want to select, copy, paste, work
>with levels, etc.
>
Yes, it doesn't do layers (is that what levels means?). You _can_ have
multiple copies of IV open, though - I was using that a few hours ago,
when I wanted to put a segment from one image into another; alt-tabbing
between them _might_ be less convenient than MDI software, but I've got
so much "muscle memory" for IV that I CBA to learn another software.
There is a setting somewhere in IV called something like "allow multiple
copies" - if that's turned off, you might not be able to, er, run
multiple copies. I can't remember what its default setting is.
>
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 by: Bill W - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 20:28 UTC

On Mar 12, 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<120320221222134794%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

> In article<t0iko6$8f2$1@dont-email.me>, Dale<dale@dalekelly.org>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > side by side
> >
> > or top and bottom
> >
> > top and bottom would be better for printing
>
> earlier, you said compositing:
> In article <t0ij0b$pnr$1@dont-email.me>, Dale<dale@dalekelly.org>
> wrote:
> > On 3/12/2022 10:31 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> > > Do you mean compositing?
> >
> > yes
>
> now you say tiling.
>
> as usual, this is nothing more than a troll.

I’m pretty sure it’s not him, but there is something oh so Arlenesque
about all of this guy’s posts.

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 by: Mayayana - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 21:11 UTC

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote

| Yes, it doesn't do layers (is that what levels means?).

I guess. I don't know. If you do something like paste
an image in an image, that's a new layer until you merge
them. As good as IV is, I don't see any reason to struggle
with that when a workspace editor is available for free.

I sometimes use Aftershot Pro for RAW camera images,
but I use PSP5 almost daily, to alter an image fror emailing,
web design, etc. To do simple drawings for customers. It's
so simple to use. I even have Open With PSP on context
menu for all files.

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 by: nospam - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 22:40 UTC

In article <0001HW.27DD3A0A02976A7930DE8538F@news-us.newsgroup.ninja>,
Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:

> > In article<t0iko6$8f2$1@dont-email.me>, Dale<dale@dalekelly.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > side by side
> > >
> > > or top and bottom
> > >
> > > top and bottom would be better for printing
> >
> > earlier, you said compositing:
> > In article <t0ij0b$pnr$1@dont-email.me>, Dale<dale@dalekelly.org>
> > wrote:
> > > On 3/12/2022 10:31 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > Do you mean compositing?
> > >
> > > yes
> >
> > now you say tiling.
> >
> > as usual, this is nothing more than a troll.
>
> I¹m pretty sure it¹s not him, but there is something oh so Arlenesque
> about all of this guy¹s posts.

it's not arlen, but yes, he is a well known troll of a different sort.

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 by: mike - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 04:40 UTC

On 12-03-2022 22:50 Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:

> side by side
>
> or top and bottom
>
> top and bottom would be better for printing

For PDFs, best to consult comp.text.pdf for better answers.

I'd use PDFsam or PDFtk or PDFShaper to merge PDFs
PDF Exchange Viewer & PDFShaper can extract images (as will most PDF
editors).

Once you have images arranging them is something they all do.

Seeing a.c.o.w-10 in the ng list, I'd recommend
Side by side images = Irfanview + many others
Top and bottom images = Irfanview + many others
Printing images = Irfanview + many others
Viewing images = Irfanview + many others
Scanning images = Irfanview + many others

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 by: Dale - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 07:22 UTC

On 3/12/2022 11:40 PM, mike wrote:
> On 12-03-2022 22:50 Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
>
>> side by side
>>
>> or top and bottom
>>
>> top and bottom would be better for printing
>
> For PDFs, best to consult comp.text.pdf for better answers.
>
> I'd use PDFsam or PDFtk or PDFShaper to merge PDFs PDF Exchange Viewer &
> PDFShaper can extract images (as will most PDF
> editors).
>
> Once you have images arranging them is something they all do.
>
> Seeing a.c.o.w-10 in the ng list, I'd recommend
> Side by side images = Irfanview + many others
> Top and bottom images = Irfanview + many others
> Printing images = Irfanview + many others
> Viewing images = Irfanview + many others
> Scanning images = Irfanview + many others

Thank You!!!!

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 by: Dale - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 07:35 UTC

On 3/11/2022 9:21 PM, Dale wrote:
> combine two jpegs?
>
> Windows default program? Photos or Paint?
>
> Adobe Creative Cloud Express leaves messy text. The jpegs are from a PDF
> exported from Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>
> PDF is fine, and look fine in Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>
> Photoshop Express or plain Photoshop? Creative Cloud?
>

got it pretty much done

https://www.dalekelly.org/

Used Adobe Creative Cloud Express to turn PDF's into jpegs
one example ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/images/DaleRKelly122717.pdf
https://www.dalekelly.org/UMS1.jpg
https://www.dalekelly.org/UMS2.jpg

coded HTML to combine jpegs, one example ...

https://www.dalekelly.org/UMS.html

coded one HTML from scratch and used Adobe Acrobat Pro DC to make one
PDF from it

https://www.dalekelly.org/resume.html
https://www.dalekelly.org/resume.pdf

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 by: Paul - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:36 UTC

On 3/13/2022 3:35 AM, Dale wrote:
> On 3/11/2022 9:21 PM, Dale wrote:
>> combine two jpegs?
>>
>> Windows default program? Photos or Paint?
>>
>> Adobe Creative Cloud Express leaves messy text. The jpegs are from a PDF exported from Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>>
>> PDF is fine, and look fine in Adobe Acrobat Pro DC
>>
>> Photoshop Express or plain Photoshop? Creative Cloud?
>>
>
>
> got it pretty much done
>
> https://www.dalekelly.org/
>
>
>
> Used Adobe Creative Cloud Express to turn PDF's into jpegs
> one example ...
>
> https://www.dalekelly.org/images/DaleRKelly122717.pdf
> https://www.dalekelly.org/UMS1.jpg
> https://www.dalekelly.org/UMS2.jpg
>
>
>
> coded HTML to combine jpegs, one example ...
>
> https://www.dalekelly.org/UMS.html
>
>
> coded one HTML from scratch and used Adobe Acrobat Pro DC to make one PDF from it
>
> https://www.dalekelly.org/resume.html
> https://www.dalekelly.org/resume.pdf

I suspect you could have done some of this for $0 using LibreOffice.

https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

Since that's the same as a Microsoft suite, it will fight to register
some of the same document types as are already in use. If you don't
have any paid Microsoft tools on there, then LibreOffice would be
a clearer advantage.

As for picking images out of PDF, LibreOffice Draw offers to
present a PDF as an image. Which may or may not be good enough.

Another tool is here. This is a tool for dealing with PDF.

https://www.mupdf.com/releases/index.html

Instructions here.

https://www.mupdf.com/docs/mutool.html

"mutool extract [options] file.pdf [object numbers]

Options:

-p password
Use the specified password if the file is encrypted.
-r
Convert images to RGB when extracting them.

If no object numbers are given on the command line, all images and fonts will be extracted.
"

cd /d C:\users\dale\Downloads
mutool extract fileofimages.pdf

and that should give a folder with image materials
in it. Those materials could then be used in LibreOffice
Writer, to create a new document and save as PDF when done.

*******

By extracting your "DaleRKelly122717.pdf", I can see you've
solved the problem with jaggies :-) Normally when you copy text in
an image format, it tends to have jaggies on the letters. Using
super-high resolution, then squeezing the images into an 8.5x11 page
gives nice smooth font edges.

File Name : image-0005.png
File Size : 376 kB
Image Width : 5088
Image Height : 6688
Bit Depth : 8
Color Type : Grayscale
Megapixels : 34.0

File Name : image-0009.png
File Size : 252 kB
Image Width : 5090
Image Height : 6672
Bit Depth : 8
Color Type : Grayscale
Megapixels : 34.0

That's just to show I was able to get the images in the PDF,
back out again.

Paul

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 by: Dale - Sun, 13 Mar 2022 12:51 UTC

On 3/13/2022 5:36 AM, Paul wrote:
> I suspect you could have done some of this for $0 using LibreOffice.

Some of the PDF files I exported were from LibreOffice *.odt files I edited.

LibreOffice doesn't save a good HTML so I have to open the *.odt file in
Microsoft Word and save-as HTML there.

But I really wanted original HTML files. My CSS too.

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