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* Re: Does the frequency of a moving clock become lower or its periodNikki Baldini
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 by: Nikki Baldini - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:38 UTC

Ken Seto wrote:

> The speed of light is not a constant in all frames because a clock
> second is not a constant interval of time.

how is that a second if not constant?? Is that a second or it's not a
second? You work with seconds which are not constant??

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Wed, 28 Sep 2022 21:08 UTC

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:39:06 AM UTC-7, Nikki Baldini wrote:
> Ken Seto wrote:
>
> > The speed of light is not a constant in all frames because a clock
> > second is not a constant interval of time.
>
> how is that a second if not constant?? Is that a second or it's not a
> second? You work with seconds which are not constant??

Time dilation slows down the sameness of time order.

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 by: Dart Ruzzier - Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:46 UTC

Ken Seto wrote:

>> > The speed of light is not a constant in all frames because a clock
>> > second is not a constant interval of time.
>> how is that a second if not constant?? Is that a second or it's not a
>> second? You work with seconds which are not constant??
>
> Delta(t')=gamma*delta(t)
> That means that a clock second in the primed frame is worth gamma(clock
> seconds) on the unprimed clock.
> Or one-second of time on the primed clock is corresponded to
> gamma-seconds on the unprimed clock.

this guy is working with seconds which are not constant.

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Ken Seto wrote:

>> > Delta(t')=gamma*delta(t)
>> > That means that a clock second in the primed frame is worth
>> > gamma(clock seconds) on the unprimed clock.
>> > Or one-second of time on the primed clock is corresponded to
>> > gamma-seconds on the unprimed clock.
>> this guy is working with seconds which are not constant.
>
> That's right, a clock second at the rest frame of the clock, represents
> a specific interval of time (absolute time).
> At different frame a clock second represents a different interval of
> time (absolute time).

give me the longest second you have, for me, to use that. Can you make a
second out of three seconds?? How many seconds would be that? Thank you in
advance.

are you communist?

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 by: Robel Vitali - Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:06 UTC

Ken Seto wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-4, Nikki Baldini
> wrote:
>> Ken Seto wrote:
>>
>> > The speed of light is not a constant in all frames because a clock
>> > second is not a constant interval of time.
>> how is that a second if not constant?? Is that a second or it's not a
>> second? You work with seconds which are not constant??
> That's right, a clock second at the rest frame of the clock, represents
> a specific interval of time (absolute time).
> At different frame a clock second represents a different interval of
> time (absolute time).

so your second is not an *unit*?? It looks like you hate units. Your
numerous papers are without *units*?? Which one is the *unit* you trust
most? May I see your papers without your units? Which country are we
talking about??

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 by: Robel Vitali - Fri, 30 Sep 2022 23:25 UTC

Volney wrote:

>> That's right, a clock second at the rest frame of the clock, represents
>> a specific interval of time (absolute time).
>> At different frame a clock second represents a different interval of
>> time (absolute time).
>>
> Stupid Ken, a second is a UNIT. It MUST be the same everywhere. Saying
> that there are different kinds of seconds is like saying the kilogram
> has different values depending on whatever, or the coulomb has different
> values, or the newton has different values.

they also are buying *_40%_* of their power plants atomic piles, from the
great Russian Federation. America even more. It means, the "sanction"
oriented europe is *_fucked_up_in_many_planes_*. Unbelievable, they stole
on *fake_money* everything from Russia.

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 by: Burt Rotolo - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 19:51 UTC

Volney wrote:

>> LEARN SOME NEW PHYSICS !!!!!!
>
> I *do* learn new physics, when it comes along. None have come from you.
> None whatsoever. All you produce are assertions, and assertions are not
> physics.

here we go, with dimensions 1D goes into 3D+t, then back again. Very deep,
transcendental. You guys don't undrestand dimensions around here. My
friend??

Borderline (Extended Mix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNja1RxmHvQ

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 by: Burt Rotolo - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 20:29 UTC

Volney wrote:

> On 10/1/2022 11:24 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
>> LEARN SOME NEW PHYSICS !!!!!!
>
> I *do* learn new physics, when it comes along. None have come from you.
> None whatsoever. All you produce are assertions, and assertions are not
> physics.

actually I grabbed it from a stream, much better version and quality than youtube, AH.FM. I can see they have it still

http://ah.fm/forum/showthread.php?102495-TEKNO-Sound-Escalation-227-with-Artento-Divini-on-AH-FM-15-09-2022

FIRST HOUR with TEKNO
01. Supermode - Tell Me Why (Meduza Remix)
02. Delerium - Silence (Stone Van Brooken & Pete K Edit)
03. Hel:sløwed & Polina Vita - Like A Ghost (Extended Mix)
04. D'Angello & Francis and Belle Humble - Gold (Extended Mix)
05. LTN & Hoenir V - Travels (Extended Mix)
06. Fisherman - Enterprise (Extended Mix)
07. Kay Wilder - Apollo (Extended Mix)
08. Norni - Fairy Dust (Extended Mix)
09. TEKNO, DJ T.H. & Amin Salmee - Castles Made Of Sand (Extended Mix)
10. The Prodigy - No Good (Matt Bukovski Bootleg)
11. Chakra - Love Shines Through (Maarten De Jong Remix)
*_12. MaRLo & Roxanne Emery - Borderline (Extended Mix)_*
13. Niels Van Gogh - Pulverturm (Code2 Rework)

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 by: Burt Rotolo - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 21:00 UTC

Volney wrote:

> Nope, another assertion, without evidence.
>
>> LEARN SOME NEW PHYSICS !!!!!!
>
> I *do* learn new physics, when it comes along. None have come from you.
> None whatsoever. All you produce are assertions, and assertions are not
> physics.

I guess it comes again in a few minutes.

AH.FM

http://37.187.0.6:9000/listen.pls?sid=1

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 by: Douglass Nervetti - Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:42 UTC

Ken Seto wrote:

>> Nope, this is straight from any good GR text.
>
> Then GR text is wrong. If two clock accumulate different number of
> clock seconds between meetings....they are running at different rates
> during relative motion.

nonsense. They are just out of sync. Travelling away makes their sync
vanish, but their clocks clocks the same. The most you can say. Moreover,
his *roy_master* putted some students to "cleanup" some manuscripts of
Einstine. They came back saying, "we can't, what Einstine wrote is totally
nonsense". His *roy_masters* then said "that's why we put YOU to cleanup in
Relativity".

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 by: Douglass Nervetti - Tue, 4 Oct 2022 20:41 UTC

Ken Seto wrote:

> On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 2:42:02 PM UTC-4, Douglass Nervetti wrote:
>> Ken Seto wrote:
>>
>> >> Nope, this is straight from any good GR text.
>> >
>> > Then GR text is wrong. If two clock accumulate different number of
>> > clock seconds between meetings....they are running at different rates
>> > during relative motion.
>> nonsense. They are just out of sync. Travelling away makes their sync
>> vanish, but their clocks clocks the same.
>
> Hey idiot, what does out of synch mean between two clocks?
> Does it mean that they are accumulating clock seconds at different
> rates?

you would know if were working in the business. It means just that, you
cannot synch them, but adjust, up or down your measurement to mimic the
synch. But the clock are OUT of synch, fucking stoopid. You steal theories
and models like a pervert.

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 by: Cesario De rege - Wed, 5 Oct 2022 15:14 UTC

Ken Seto wrote:

>> No, I know the second is a unit, like the kilogram or coulomb, and is
>> the same for everyone. There is only one kind of second, "clock second"
>> is silly.
>
> Hey stupid Mike......A kilogram weighs differently on the moon.

hey, fucking stoopid, a kilogram is a *mass_unit*, not weights unit.
Weights is about applied forces, fucking stoopid, W=mg.

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 by: whodat - Wed, 5 Oct 2022 16:16 UTC

On 10/5/2022 10:14 AM, Cesario De rege wrote:
> Ken Seto wrote:
>
>>> No, I know the second is a unit, like the kilogram or coulomb, and is
>>> the same for everyone. There is only one kind of second, "clock second"
>>> is silly.
>>
>> Hey stupid Mike......A kilogram weighs differently on the moon.
>
> hey, fucking stoopid, a kilogram is a *mass_unit*, not weights unit.
> Weights is about applied forces, fucking stoopid, W=mg.

Tell me, did Ken write something that was wrong?

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 by: Cesario De rege - Wed, 5 Oct 2022 16:32 UTC

whodat wrote:

> On 10/5/2022 10:14 AM, Cesario De rege wrote:
>> Ken Seto wrote:
>>
>>>> No, I know the second is a unit, like the kilogram or coulomb, and is
>>>> the same for everyone. There is only one kind of second, "clock
>>>> second"
>>>> is silly.
>>>
>>> Hey stupid Mike......A kilogram weighs differently on the moon.
>>
>> hey, fucking stoopid, a kilogram is a *mass_unit*, not weights unit.
>> Weights is about applied forces, fucking stoopid, W=mg.
>
> Tell me, did Ken write something that was wrong?

it's about the constancy of units, idiot. Stop snipping the context. You
fucking idiot.

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 by: whodat - Wed, 5 Oct 2022 18:22 UTC

On 10/5/2022 11:32 AM, Cesario De rege wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>
>> On 10/5/2022 10:14 AM, Cesario De rege wrote:
>>> Ken Seto wrote:
>>>
>>>>> No, I know the second is a unit, like the kilogram or coulomb, and is
>>>>> the same for everyone. There is only one kind of second, "clock
>>>>> second"
>>>>> is silly.
>>>>
>>>> Hey stupid Mike......A kilogram weighs differently on the moon.
>>>
>>> hey, fucking stoopid, a kilogram is a *mass_unit*, not weights unit.
>>> Weights is about applied forces, fucking stoopid, W=mg.
>>
>> Tell me, did Ken write something that was wrong?
>
> it's about the constancy of units, idiot. Stop snipping the context. You
> fucking idiot.

I asked you a question that you apparently decided not to answer, so
I'll ask it again, Did Ken write something that was wrong?

You are aware that subject drift is a well established and accepted
practice in Usenet, aren't you? A subsequent poster can drift the topic
but can not tell an earlier poster what to write. This is a cooperative
venture, after all.

If topic drift weren't an important aspect of Usenet, it would have
completely shut down after the first few weeks or at most months, yet
here we are. Please note that I am not telling you how/what to post.

You are perfectly free to continue to acquire people who don't like you.

There are other alternatives, of course. Only you can choose which
alternative to take.

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 by: Urbano Stilo - Sat, 8 Oct 2022 03:29 UTC

Ken Seto wrote:

> On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 2:27:00 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>> Actual physicists aren't fooled at all by your assertions. One day
>> you'll kick the bucket and will be completely forgotten, other than
>> perhaps by old-timers in that group saying "Hey, does anyone remember
>> that crank Ken Seto and his stupid Muddle Mechanics?" Maybe. Your
>> internet bill will go unpaid and your online copy will vanish forever.
>
> It appears that you ae not capable comprehending complex ideas.....no
> need to waste each other's time.

your theory is not even a theory of half of the everything. EM is not a
force, fucking stupid.

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 by: Urbano Stilo - Sat, 8 Oct 2022 03:48 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> On Thursday, 6 October 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
>
>> No, it does not. If the moon observer has a Cs clock with him, a second
>> is 9,192,631,770 cycles of the Cs hyperfine transition time.
>
> Sorry, stupid Mike, anyone can check GPS - a second is not what your
> bunch of idiots lie it is.

your country Posta_Polska will lack natural gas and you will starve.
Because the capitalist europe is poorest without Mother Russia. I love
Mother Russia, it gives me cheap gas and oil.

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