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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 09:21 UTC

Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary animals. So,
lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
brain. Hm?
Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...

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On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
> skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary animals. So,
> lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
> What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
> animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
> brain. Hm?
> Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
>
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WTF you talking about, stupid??

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 08:07 UTC

On 24.10.2021. 1:53, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
>> skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary animals. So,
>> lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
>> What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
>> animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
>> brain. Hm?
>> Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
>>
> WTF you talking about, stupid??

Lions hunt the way that one lioness hides, and the others chase prey
in her direction.
Humans hunt the same way, today. Today humans are hunting too, and
today they don't hunt by running, but by waiting in ambush. All the
hunters that I know have big belly, trust me, those guys cannot run.
So, we are doing this today, lions are doing this, is there a reason
why we should behave differently in the past?
Just because somebody has such a theory?
See, they are not running after them, it is the prey that runs towards
them, arrows come from the front, not from behind:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Valltorta_%28escena_de_caza%29.png

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 08:26 UTC

On 24.10.2021. 10:07, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 24.10.2021. 1:53, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
>> wrote:
>>> Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
>>> skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary animals. So,
>>> lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
>>> What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
>>> animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
>>> brain. Hm?
>>> Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
>>>
>> WTF you talking about, stupid??
>
>         Lions hunt the way that one lioness hides, and the others chase
> prey in her direction.
>         Humans hunt the same way, today. Today humans are hunting too,
> and today they don't hunt by running, but by waiting in ambush. All the
> hunters that I know have big belly, trust me, those guys cannot run.
>         So, we are doing this today, lions are doing this, is there a
> reason why we should behave differently in the past?
>         Just because somebody has such a theory?
>         See, they are not running after them, it is the prey that runs
> towards them, arrows come from the front, not from behind:
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Valltorta_%28escena_de_caza%29.png

I've just read a bit about San hunting technique. They approach
animals by crawling, not by running. They first shoot the animal with
poisoned arrows, and then follow the animal (sometimes for three days,
no, they are not running for three days), until poison takes effect (for
smaller animals it takes less time, few hours, but for larger it can
take up to three days).

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 08:42 UTC

On 24.10.2021. 10:26, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 24.10.2021. 10:07, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 24.10.2021. 1:53, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
>>> wrote:
>>>> Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
>>>> skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary animals.
>>>> So,
>>>> lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
>>>> What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
>>>> animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
>>>> brain. Hm?
>>>> Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
>>>>
>>> WTF you talking about, stupid??
>>
>>          Lions hunt the way that one lioness hides, and the others
>> chase prey in her direction.
>>          Humans hunt the same way, today. Today humans are hunting
>> too, and today they don't hunt by running, but by waiting in ambush.
>> All the hunters that I know have big belly, trust me, those guys
>> cannot run.
>>          So, we are doing this today, lions are doing this, is there a
>> reason why we should behave differently in the past?
>>          Just because somebody has such a theory?
>>          See, they are not running after them, it is the prey that
>> runs towards them, arrows come from the front, not from behind:
>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Valltorta_%28escena_de_caza%29.png
>
>
>         I've just read a bit about San hunting technique. They approach
> animals by crawling, not by running. They first shoot the animal with
> poisoned arrows, and then follow the animal (sometimes for three days,
> no, they are not running for three days), until poison takes effect (for
> smaller animals it takes less time, few hours, but for larger it can
> take up to three days).

Hunting elephants with spears, by some native people in Congo: "They
did not rely on stealth, but, rather, attacked the elephant from all
sides, using spears, while shouting war cries."
Also it is mentioned that they used the skills of tracking and
stalking, no mention of running.
Using fire by !Kung. They light fire on one side, while they approach
elephant from the other side.
file:///C:/Users/Mario/Downloads/quaternary-01-00003.pdf

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:27 UTC

On 24.10.2021. 10:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 24.10.2021. 10:26, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 24.10.2021. 10:07, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 24.10.2021. 1:53, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
>>>>> skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary
>>>>> animals. So,
>>>>> lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
>>>>> What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
>>>>> animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
>>>>> brain. Hm?
>>>>> Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
>>>>>
>>>> WTF you talking about, stupid??
>>>
>>>          Lions hunt the way that one lioness hides, and the others
>>> chase prey in her direction.
>>>          Humans hunt the same way, today. Today humans are hunting
>>> too, and today they don't hunt by running, but by waiting in ambush.
>>> All the hunters that I know have big belly, trust me, those guys
>>> cannot run.
>>>          So, we are doing this today, lions are doing this, is there
>>> a reason why we should behave differently in the past?
>>>          Just because somebody has such a theory?
>>>          See, they are not running after them, it is the prey that
>>> runs towards them, arrows come from the front, not from behind:
>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Valltorta_%28escena_de_caza%29.png
>>
>>
>>
>>          I've just read a bit about San hunting technique. They
>> approach animals by crawling, not by running. They first shoot the
>> animal with poisoned arrows, and then follow the animal (sometimes for
>> three days, no, they are not running for three days), until poison
>> takes effect (for smaller animals it takes less time, few hours, but
>> for larger it can take up to three days).
>
>         Hunting elephants with spears, by some native people in Congo:
> "They did not rely on stealth, but, rather, attacked the elephant from
> all sides, using spears, while shouting war cries."
>         Also it is mentioned that they used the skills of tracking and
> stalking, no mention of running.
>         Using fire by !Kung. They light fire on one side, while they
> approach elephant from the other side.
> file:///C:/Users/Mario/Downloads/quaternary-01-00003.pdf

"Though most Bushmen know how to hunt with bows and arrows, the actual
practice is increasingly uncommon when it’s not done to earn money from
observing visitors."
It is mentioned that they actually are using duiker's horn, fastened
on a wooden stick.
This is more like it:
https://youtu.be/U7qPuMbxS0Y
Now, compare this to "persistence hunting". The very logic behind
"persistence hunting" is to exhaust the animal to death. This means that
you are also exhausted almost to the death, but the animal is exhausted
more. Why would a sane person do this to himself? Dogs do hunt this way.
In Wikipedia you can read about persistence hunting. It is possible in
Kalahari because there the temperature is 42 C in midday sun. It is
mentioned that in cooler areas you cannot do that. So, in order for this
theory to work, the whole world needs to be Kalahari desert. This is,
simply, stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
No examples in Wikipedia except the Kalahari example, and some South
American people who torture fat birds (wild turkeys) to exhaustion,
forcing them to take offs, without allowing them to rest in between.
Really fine example of "persistence hunting", lol. It just happens that
those people are good runners (probably because they lived on high
altitude, just like Kenyans), and they are doing this to wild turkeys,
and voila, we have the great example of "persistence hunting", although,
I don't think that they run much, while doing this to turkeys. Although,
they are good runners, so, turkeys get exhausted, those people are good
runners, so, lets make this "persistence hunting", lol.
But, in Wikipedia we have a lot of talking how this "may have been"
the first hunting technique. My God. Just the same "using Force" also
"may have been" the first hunting technique.

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:29 UTC

On 24.10.2021. 11:27, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 24.10.2021. 10:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 24.10.2021. 10:26, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 24.10.2021. 10:07, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 24.10.2021. 1:53, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
>>>>>> skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary
>>>>>> animals. So,
>>>>>> lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
>>>>>> What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
>>>>>> animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
>>>>>> brain. Hm?
>>>>>> Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
>>>>>>
>>>>> WTF you talking about, stupid??
>>>>
>>>>          Lions hunt the way that one lioness hides, and the others
>>>> chase prey in her direction.
>>>>          Humans hunt the same way, today. Today humans are hunting
>>>> too, and today they don't hunt by running, but by waiting in ambush.
>>>> All the hunters that I know have big belly, trust me, those guys
>>>> cannot run.
>>>>          So, we are doing this today, lions are doing this, is there
>>>> a reason why we should behave differently in the past?
>>>>          Just because somebody has such a theory?
>>>>          See, they are not running after them, it is the prey that
>>>> runs towards them, arrows come from the front, not from behind:
>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Valltorta_%28escena_de_caza%29.png
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          I've just read a bit about San hunting technique. They
>>> approach animals by crawling, not by running. They first shoot the
>>> animal with poisoned arrows, and then follow the animal (sometimes
>>> for three days, no, they are not running for three days), until
>>> poison takes effect (for smaller animals it takes less time, few
>>> hours, but for larger it can take up to three days).
>>
>>          Hunting elephants with spears, by some native people in
>> Congo: "They did not rely on stealth, but, rather, attacked the
>> elephant from all sides, using spears, while shouting war cries."
>>          Also it is mentioned that they used the skills of tracking
>> and stalking, no mention of running.
>>          Using fire by !Kung. They light fire on one side, while they
>> approach elephant from the other side.
>> file:///C:/Users/Mario/Downloads/quaternary-01-00003.pdf
>
>         "Though most Bushmen know how to hunt with bows and arrows, the
> actual practice is increasingly uncommon when it’s not done to earn
> money from observing visitors."
>         It is mentioned that they actually are using duiker's horn,
> fastened on a wooden stick.
>         This is more like it:
> https://youtu.be/U7qPuMbxS0Y
>         Now, compare this to "persistence hunting". The very logic
> behind "persistence hunting" is to exhaust the animal to death. This
> means that you are also exhausted almost to the death, but the animal is
> exhausted more. Why would a sane person do this to himself? Dogs do hunt
> this way.
>         In Wikipedia you can read about persistence hunting. It is
> possible in Kalahari because there the temperature is 42 C in midday
> sun. It is mentioned that in cooler areas you cannot do that. So, in
> order for this theory to work, the whole world needs to be Kalahari
> desert. This is, simply, stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
>         No examples in Wikipedia except the Kalahari example, and some
> South American people who torture fat birds (wild turkeys) to
> exhaustion, forcing them to take offs, without allowing them to rest in
> between. Really fine example of "persistence hunting", lol. It just
> happens that those people are good runners (probably because they lived
> on high altitude, just like Kenyans), and they are doing this to wild
> turkeys, and voila, we have the great example of "persistence hunting",
> although, I don't think that they run much, while doing this to turkeys.
> Although, they are good runners, so, turkeys get exhausted, those people
> are good runners, so, lets make this "persistence hunting", lol.
>         But, in Wikipedia we have a lot of talking how this "may have
> been" the first hunting technique. My God. Just the same "using Force"
> also "may have been" the first hunting technique.

Ah, the link for the uppermost quote:
https://www.bradtguides.com/traditional-life-for-the-bushmen/

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On 24.10.2021. 11:27, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 24.10.2021. 10:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 24.10.2021. 10:26, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 24.10.2021. 10:07, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 24.10.2021. 1:53, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
>>>>>> skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary
>>>>>> animals. So,
>>>>>> lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
>>>>>> What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
>>>>>> animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
>>>>>> brain. Hm?
>>>>>> Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
>>>>>>
>>>>> WTF you talking about, stupid??
>>>>
>>>>          Lions hunt the way that one lioness hides, and the others
>>>> chase prey in her direction.
>>>>          Humans hunt the same way, today. Today humans are hunting
>>>> too, and today they don't hunt by running, but by waiting in ambush.
>>>> All the hunters that I know have big belly, trust me, those guys
>>>> cannot run.
>>>>          So, we are doing this today, lions are doing this, is there
>>>> a reason why we should behave differently in the past?
>>>>          Just because somebody has such a theory?
>>>>          See, they are not running after them, it is the prey that
>>>> runs towards them, arrows come from the front, not from behind:
>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Valltorta_%28escena_de_caza%29.png
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>          I've just read a bit about San hunting technique. They
>>> approach animals by crawling, not by running. They first shoot the
>>> animal with poisoned arrows, and then follow the animal (sometimes
>>> for three days, no, they are not running for three days), until
>>> poison takes effect (for smaller animals it takes less time, few
>>> hours, but for larger it can take up to three days).
>>
>>          Hunting elephants with spears, by some native people in
>> Congo: "They did not rely on stealth, but, rather, attacked the
>> elephant from all sides, using spears, while shouting war cries."
>>          Also it is mentioned that they used the skills of tracking
>> and stalking, no mention of running.
>>          Using fire by !Kung. They light fire on one side, while they
>> approach elephant from the other side.
>> file:///C:/Users/Mario/Downloads/quaternary-01-00003.pdf
>
>         "Though most Bushmen know how to hunt with bows and arrows, the
> actual practice is increasingly uncommon when it’s not done to earn
> money from observing visitors."
>         It is mentioned that they actually are using duiker's horn,
> fastened on a wooden stick.
>         This is more like it:
> https://youtu.be/U7qPuMbxS0Y
>         Now, compare this to "persistence hunting". The very logic
> behind "persistence hunting" is to exhaust the animal to death. This
> means that you are also exhausted almost to the death, but the animal is
> exhausted more. Why would a sane person do this to himself? Dogs do hunt
> this way.
>         In Wikipedia you can read about persistence hunting. It is
> possible in Kalahari because there the temperature is 42 C in midday
> sun. It is mentioned that in cooler areas you cannot do that. So, in
> order for this theory to work, the whole world needs to be Kalahari
> desert. This is, simply, stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
>         No examples in Wikipedia except the Kalahari example, and some
> South American people who torture fat birds (wild turkeys) to
> exhaustion, forcing them to take offs, without allowing them to rest in
> between. Really fine example of "persistence hunting", lol. It just
> happens that those people are good runners (probably because they lived
> on high altitude, just like Kenyans), and they are doing this to wild
> turkeys, and voila, we have the great example of "persistence hunting",
> although, I don't think that they run much, while doing this to turkeys.
> Although, they are good runners, so, turkeys get exhausted, those people
> are good runners, so, lets make this "persistence hunting", lol.
>         But, in Wikipedia we have a lot of talking how this "may have
> been" the first hunting technique. My God. Just the same "using Force"
> also "may have been" the first hunting technique.

This guy did it with the San people. At the end of the 45-minute
video, finally, the real thing. This is how it looks like:
https://youtu.be/q7fePoqb3Sk?t=2332

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On 24.10.2021. 11:51, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 24.10.2021. 11:27, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 24.10.2021. 10:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 24.10.2021. 10:26, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 24.10.2021. 10:07, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 24.10.2021. 1:53, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario
>>>>>> Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have
>>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>> skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary
>>>>>>> animals. So,
>>>>>>> lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
>>>>>>> What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
>>>>>>> animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait...
>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>> brain. Hm?
>>>>>>> Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF you talking about, stupid??
>>>>>
>>>>>          Lions hunt the way that one lioness hides, and the others
>>>>> chase prey in her direction.
>>>>>          Humans hunt the same way, today. Today humans are hunting
>>>>> too, and today they don't hunt by running, but by waiting in
>>>>> ambush. All the hunters that I know have big belly, trust me, those
>>>>> guys cannot run.
>>>>>          So, we are doing this today, lions are doing this, is
>>>>> there a reason why we should behave differently in the past?
>>>>>          Just because somebody has such a theory?
>>>>>          See, they are not running after them, it is the prey that
>>>>> runs towards them, arrows come from the front, not from behind:
>>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Valltorta_%28escena_de_caza%29.png
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          I've just read a bit about San hunting technique. They
>>>> approach animals by crawling, not by running. They first shoot the
>>>> animal with poisoned arrows, and then follow the animal (sometimes
>>>> for three days, no, they are not running for three days), until
>>>> poison takes effect (for smaller animals it takes less time, few
>>>> hours, but for larger it can take up to three days).
>>>
>>>          Hunting elephants with spears, by some native people in
>>> Congo: "They did not rely on stealth, but, rather, attacked the
>>> elephant from all sides, using spears, while shouting war cries."
>>>          Also it is mentioned that they used the skills of tracking
>>> and stalking, no mention of running.
>>>          Using fire by !Kung. They light fire on one side, while they
>>> approach elephant from the other side.
>>> file:///C:/Users/Mario/Downloads/quaternary-01-00003.pdf
>>
>>          "Though most Bushmen know how to hunt with bows and arrows,
>> the actual practice is increasingly uncommon when it’s not done to
>> earn money from observing visitors."
>>          It is mentioned that they actually are using duiker's horn,
>> fastened on a wooden stick.
>>          This is more like it:
>> https://youtu.be/U7qPuMbxS0Y
>>          Now, compare this to "persistence hunting". The very logic
>> behind "persistence hunting" is to exhaust the animal to death. This
>> means that you are also exhausted almost to the death, but the animal
>> is exhausted more. Why would a sane person do this to himself? Dogs do
>> hunt this way.
>>          In Wikipedia you can read about persistence hunting. It is
>> possible in Kalahari because there the temperature is 42 C in midday
>> sun. It is mentioned that in cooler areas you cannot do that. So, in
>> order for this theory to work, the whole world needs to be Kalahari
>> desert. This is, simply, stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
>>          No examples in Wikipedia except the Kalahari example, and
>> some South American people who torture fat birds (wild turkeys) to
>> exhaustion, forcing them to take offs, without allowing them to rest
>> in between. Really fine example of "persistence hunting", lol. It just
>> happens that those people are good runners (probably because they
>> lived on high altitude, just like Kenyans), and they are doing this to
>> wild turkeys, and voila, we have the great example of "persistence
>> hunting", although, I don't think that they run much, while doing this
>> to turkeys. Although, they are good runners, so, turkeys get
>> exhausted, those people are good runners, so, lets make this
>> "persistence hunting", lol.
>>          But, in Wikipedia we have a lot of talking how this "may have
>> been" the first hunting technique. My God. Just the same "using Force"
>> also "may have been" the first hunting technique.
>
>         This guy did it with the San people. At the end of the
> 45-minute video, finally, the real thing. This is how it looks like:
> https://youtu.be/q7fePoqb3Sk?t=2332

Lol, Jesus. I really like the sound of those DRAMATIC drums banging as
this guy chases this chicken around. And then all those superlatives,
every other word is a superlative. "Un...believable", says the guy, all
exhausted after 100 yards of running after the chicken. "Incredible
skills", "learning from the best", every bloody thing that he touches is
so important for the whole Universe (otherwise, who would watch this on
TV, you have to sell this somehow, lol). "A perfect shot", "a perfect
example of design", "exactly the right point", "accuracy", "huge amount
of skill", "great privilege", "incredible learning curve", "a dream come
true", "even better than chicken from Walmart", and the natives are juts
mumbling something, like, "Just give us the money and shut the f.ck up,
you bloody white moron".

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Savanna endurance ruñning hypothesis is based on San coming of age ritual where young men chase antelope into a canyon trap where their elders wait with bows. Lieberman modified the truth into a myth of archaic Homo persistence hunting.

On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 7:53:25 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> > Lions can organize themselves, although they don't have communication
> > skills, and even more important, although cats are solitary animals. So,
> > lions overcame all those obstacles to evolve into ambush predators.
> > What's wrong with us? We do have communication skills, we are social
> > animals, why we cannot do this? Are we too stupid, maybe? Wait... big
> > brain. Hm?
> > Are scientists too stupid, maybe? Hm...
> >
> > --
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> > human-e...@googlegroups.com
> WTF you talking about, stupid??

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Op zondag 24 oktober 2021 om 15:48:52 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> Savanna endurance ruñning hypothesis is based on San coming of age ritual where young men chase antelope into a canyon trap where their elders wait with bows. Lieberman modified the truth into a myth of archaic Homo persistence hunting.

:-) Good boy!

Many self-called "anthropologists" are increbile idiots.
San endur.running is very recent behaviour:
one must be an incredible imbecile to believe that human Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.
See my comment on the idiotic article in Nature:

Nobody doubts that there are a few human populations today where adult men sometimes run prey to exhaustion on African plains, but it's not because there are a few people today who use this hunting method that our ancestors must have endurance-run a few million years ago.
The authors didn't even include the possibility of wading or swimming vs running in their comparisons. IMO it's difficult to understand that Nature published this biased paper. Comparative anatomy shows that plantigrady is maladaptive to cursorialism, but is typically seen in wading or swimming animals. Different independent lines of evidence suggest that early-Pleistocene Homo dispersed intercontinentally, not running over open plains, but initially simply following the African and Eurasian coasts (and later from the coasts ventured inland along the rivers, or OTOH even reached overseas islands such as Flores, Luzon, Cyprus etc.). For an update of this littoral theory of human evolution, google e.g. "coastal dispersal of Pleistocene Homo 2018 biology vs anthropocentrism".

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 by: DD'eDeN aka not - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 16:46 UTC

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 10:58:30 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op zondag 24 oktober 2021 om 15:48:52 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > Savanna endurance ruñning hypothesis is based on San coming of age ritual where young men chase antelope into a canyon trap where their elders wait with bows. Lieberman modified the truth into a myth of archaic Homo persistence hunting.
> :-) Good boy!
>
> Many self-called "anthropologists" are increbile idiots.
> San endur.running is very recent behaviour:
> one must be an incredible imbecile to believe that human Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.
> See my comment on the idiotic article in Nature:
>
> Nobody doubts that there are a few human populations today where adult men sometimes run prey to exhaustion on African plains, but it's not because there are a few people today who use this hunting method that our ancestors must have endurance-run a few million years ago.
> The authors didn't even include the possibility of wading or swimming vs running in their comparisons. IMO it's difficult to understand that Nature published this biased paper. Comparative anatomy shows that plantigrady is maladaptive to cursorialism, but is typically seen in wading or swimming animals. Different independent lines of evidence suggest that early-Pleistocene Homo dispersed intercontinentally, not running over open plains, but initially simply following the African and Eurasian coasts (and later from the coasts ventured inland along the rivers, or OTOH even reached overseas islands such as Flores, Luzon, Cyprus etc.). For an update of this littoral theory of human evolution, google e.g. "coastal dispersal of Pleistocene Homo 2018 biology vs anthropocentrism".

That's the other myth maker, the little mermaid.

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:26 UTC

Op zondag 24 oktober 2021 om 18:46:29 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > > Savanna endurance ruñning hypothesis is based on San coming of age ritual where young men chase antelope into a canyon trap where their elders wait with bows. Lieberman modified the truth into a myth of archaic Homo persistence hunting.

> > :-) Good boy!
> > Many self-called "anthropologists" are increbile idiots.
> > San endur.running is very recent behaviour:
> > one must be an incredible imbecile to believe that human Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.
> > See my comment on the idiotic article in Nature:
> > Nobody doubts that there are a few human populations today where adult men sometimes run prey to exhaustion on African plains, but it's not because there are a few people today who use this hunting method that our ancestors must have endurance-run a few million years ago.
> > The authors didn't even include the possibility of wading or swimming vs running in their comparisons. IMO it's difficult to understand that Nature published this biased paper. Comparative anatomy shows that plantigrady is maladaptive to cursorialism, but is typically seen in wading or swimming animals. Different independent lines of evidence suggest that early-Pleistocene Homo dispersed intercontinentally, not running over open plains, but initially simply following the African and Eurasian coasts (and later from the coasts ventured inland along the rivers, or OTOH even reached overseas islands such as Flores, Luzon, Cyprus etc.). For an update of this littoral theory of human evolution, google e.g. "coastal dispersal of Pleistocene Homo 2018 biology vs anthropocentrism".

> That's the other myth maker, the little mermaid.

Only incredible idiots deny that humans are fat & furless.
Waste your own time, little boy.

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 by: DD'eDeN aka not - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:05 UTC

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 12:46:29 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 10:58:30 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Op zondag 24 oktober 2021 om 15:48:52 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > Savanna endurance ruñning hypothesis is based on San coming of age ritual where young men chase antelope into a canyon trap where their elders wait with bows. Lieberman modified the truth into a myth of archaic Homo persistence hunting.
> > :-) Good boy!
> >
> > Many self-called "anthropologists" are increbile idiots.
> > San endur.running is very recent behaviour:
> > one must be an incredible imbecile to believe that human Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.
> > See my comment on the idiotic article in Nature:
> >
> > Nobody doubts that there are a few human populations today where adult men sometimes run prey to exhaustion on African plains, but it's not because there are a few people today who use this hunting method that our ancestors must have endurance-run a few million years ago.
> > The authors didn't even include the possibility of wading or swimming vs running in their comparisons. IMO it's difficult to understand that Nature published this biased paper. Comparative anatomy shows that plantigrady is maladaptive to cursorialism, but is typically seen in wading or swimming animals. Different independent lines of evidence suggest that early-Pleistocene Homo dispersed intercontinentally, not running over open plains, but initially simply following the African and Eurasian coasts (and later from the coasts ventured inland along the rivers, or OTOH even reached overseas islands such as Flores, Luzon, Cyprus etc.). For an update of this littoral theory of human evolution, google e.g. "coastal dispersal of Pleistocene Homo 2018 biology vs anthropocentrism".
> That's the other myth maker, the little mermaid.
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