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* Simultaneity - reminderMaciej Wozniak
+* Re: Simultaneity - reminderRichard Hachel
|+* Re: Simultaneity - reminderRichard Hertz
||`- Re: Simultaneity - reminderRichard Hachel
|`* Re: Simultaneity - reminderMaciej Wozniak
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`* Re: Simultaneity - reminderPaparios
 `* Re: Simultaneity - reminderMaciej Wozniak
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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 22 May 2023 08:32 UTC

Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
world we inhabit.
Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
change anything.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Mon, 22 May 2023 12:04 UTC

Le 22/05/2023 à 10:32, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> world we inhabit.
> Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> change anything.

It's not a good definition. Two events are simultaneous if they occur at
the same time, at the same instant, for a given observer.

R.H.

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Subject: Re: Simultaneity - reminder
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 by: Richard Hertz - Mon, 22 May 2023 13:39 UTC

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:05:38 AM UTC-3, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 22/05/2023 à 10:32, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> > world we inhabit.
> > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> > change anything.
> It's not a good definition. Two events are simultaneous if they occur at
> the same time, at the same instant, for a given observer.
>
> R.H.

R.H. definition has only local validity, given the radius of sighting that the observer has. And, even in his local view,
you have to compute the speed of light, which delays the visual information that reaches the observer.

Maciej's definition eliminates this "problem".

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 by: Paparios - Mon, 22 May 2023 14:18 UTC

El lunes, 22 de mayo de 2023 a las 4:32:48 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> world we inhabit.
> Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> change anything.

Janitor, how do you know event A has the same "TAI time coordinate" than event B?. Assume you are located at A and the distance between A and B is 5000 km.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 22 May 2023 14:27 UTC

On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 14:05:38 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 22/05/2023 à 10:32, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> > world we inhabit.
> > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> > change anything.
> It's not a good definition.

The reality doesn't care for your opinion, unfortunately.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 22 May 2023 14:28 UTC

On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 16:18:16 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> El lunes, 22 de mayo de 2023 a las 4:32:48 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> > world we inhabit.
> > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> > change anything.
> Janitor, how do you know event A has the same "TAI time coordinate" than event B?. Assume you are located at A and the distance between A and B is 5000 km.

Pedophile, I don't. There are specialists, and
I bet they often don't know too.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Mon, 22 May 2023 14:37 UTC

Le 22/05/2023 à 15:39, Richard Hertz a écrit :
>
> R.H. definition has only local validity, given the radius of sighting that the
> observer has. And, even in his local view,
> you have to compute the speed of light, which delays the visual information that
> reaches the observer.
>
> Maciej's definition eliminates this "problem".

There is no need to calculate the speed of light in Hachel concept.
Everything is done live-live for the direct observer. This horse in this
meadow, this mill in the distance, this galaxy in my telescope, I observe
them as they are, today and now. Not as they were billions of years ago.
It is very strange that this fantastic concept, which nevertheless
describes things with simplicity and beauty, is absolutely impossible to
put into the brains of men. Like imbeciles and cretins, they will answer
incessantly, invariably: the speed of light, it's c, it's c, it's c. By
jumping on their chair like crazy goats.

R.H.

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From: r.hac...@tiscali.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Mon, 22 May 2023 14:38 UTC

Le 22/05/2023 à 16:27, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 14:05:38 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> Le 22/05/2023 à 10:32, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
>> > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
>> > world we inhabit.
>> > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
>> > change anything.
>> It's not a good definition.
>
> The reality doesn't care for your opinion, unfortunately.

Yet I am the truth.

R.H.

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 by: Paparios - Mon, 22 May 2023 14:47 UTC

El lunes, 22 de mayo de 2023 a las 10:28:54 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 16:18:16 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > El lunes, 22 de mayo de 2023 a las 4:32:48 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> > > world we inhabit.
> > > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> > > change anything.
> > Janitor, how do you know event A has the same "TAI time coordinate" than event B?. Assume you are located at A and the distance between A and B is 5000 km.
> Pedophile, I don't. There are specialists, and
> I bet they often don't know too.

Sure you don't know Janitor.
Einstein showed how to do it and, before him, telegraphists had been using the method for more than 50 years.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 22 May 2023 15:57 UTC

On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 16:47:23 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> El lunes, 22 de mayo de 2023 a las 10:28:54 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 16:18:16 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > El lunes, 22 de mayo de 2023 a las 4:32:48 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > > Two events are simultaneous when they have the same
> > > > TAI time coordinate. That's how things are in the
> > > > world we inhabit.
> > > > Your bunch of idiots can die hard protesting, it won't
> > > > change anything.
> > > Janitor, how do you know event A has the same "TAI time coordinate" than event B?. Assume you are located at A and the distance between A and B is 5000 km.
> > Pedophile, I don't. There are specialists, and
> > I bet they often don't know too.
> Sure you don't know Janitor.
> Einstein showed how to do it

Did he, really? How to do it, pedophile, then?
In non-flat GR world, of course.

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