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* PoE moduleJohn Larkin
+* Re: PoE modulewhit3rd
|`- Re: PoE moduleDon Y
+* Re: PoE moduleClifford Heath
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+* Re: PoE moduleJan Panteltje
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 by: John Larkin - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 21:16 UTC

Looks like a lot of people make a SIP-packaged PoE power module.

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/Ag9712-2BR?qs=OlC7AqGiEDmgbLGLmzziyA%3D%3D

and they look to be approximately drop-in compatible. They get one or
two pairs of DC from the ethernet connector and make isolated DC out,
from 3.3 to 24 volts in various versions.

So it could be a plug-in option for a little box that otherwise runs
from a 24 volt wart.

Price is roughly $10. The cheapest Alibaba unit is around $3!

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 by: whit3rd - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:16 UTC

On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 1:16:38 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
> Looks like a lot of people make a SIP-packaged PoE power module.
>
> https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/Ag9712-2BR?qs=OlC7AqGiEDmgbLGLmzziyA%3D%3D
>
> and they look to be approximately drop-in compatible. They get one or
> two pairs of DC from the ethernet connector and make isolated DC out,
> from 3.3 to 24 volts in various versions.
>
> So it could be a plug-in option for a little box that otherwise runs
> from a 24 volt wart.
>
> Price is roughly $10. The cheapest Alibaba unit is around $3!

It's a fairly wide-range DC/DC converter, but at least one (Ubiquiti) PoE injector
in my junk box sources 24VDC, and that's out of its (36V-57V) range.
These specs are reminiscent of the telecom style converters used with
48V systems.

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 by: Clifford Heath - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:39 UTC

On 11/02/23 08:16, John Larkin wrote:
> Looks like a lot of people make a SIP-packaged PoE power module.
>
> https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/Ag9712-2BR?qs=OlC7AqGiEDmgbLGLmzziyA%3D%3D
>
> and they look to be approximately drop-in compatible. They get one or
> two pairs of DC from the ethernet connector and make isolated DC out,
> from 3.3 to 24 volts in various versions.
>
> So it could be a plug-in option for a little box that otherwise runs
> from a 24 volt wart.
>
> Price is roughly $10. The cheapest Alibaba unit is around $3!

DIY output filtering, and no RF noise or EMI specifications. No
shielding is apparent either.

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 by: John Larkin - Fri, 10 Feb 2023 23:55 UTC

On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 10:39:03 +1100, Clifford Heath
<no.spam@please.net> wrote:

>On 11/02/23 08:16, John Larkin wrote:
>> Looks like a lot of people make a SIP-packaged PoE power module.
>>
>> https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/Ag9712-2BR?qs=OlC7AqGiEDmgbLGLmzziyA%3D%3D
>>
>> and they look to be approximately drop-in compatible. They get one or
>> two pairs of DC from the ethernet connector and make isolated DC out,
>> from 3.3 to 24 volts in various versions.
>>
>> So it could be a plug-in option for a little box that otherwise runs
>> from a 24 volt wart.
>>
>> Price is roughly $10. The cheapest Alibaba unit is around $3!
>
>DIY output filtering, and no RF noise or EMI specifications.

Adding some beads and caps would be no big deal. If I allow optional
wart DC power, they'd be there anyhow.

>No
>shielding is apparent either.

Well, it is a bare PCB. I'll put it on a board in an aluminum box.

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On a sunny day (Fri, 10 Feb 2023 13:16:24 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<5icduh5ftrih8qfb1u1s398dah9ntt9671@4ax.com>:

>Looks like a lot of people make a SIP-packaged PoE power module.
>
>https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/Ag9712-2BR?qs=OlC7AqGiEDmgbLGLmzziyA%3D%3D
>
>and they look to be approximately drop-in compatible. They get one or
>two pairs of DC from the ethernet connector and make isolated DC out,
>from 3.3 to 24 volts in various versions.
>
>So it could be a plug-in option for a little box that otherwise runs
>from a 24 volt wart.
>
>Price is roughly $10. The cheapest Alibaba unit is around $3!

What do you do when one fails a few years from now?
Buy a hundred up front?

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 by: Don Y - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 07:46 UTC

On 2/10/2023 4:16 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> It's a fairly wide-range DC/DC converter, but at least one (Ubiquiti) PoE injector
> in my junk box sources 24VDC, and that's out of its (36V-57V) range.
> These specs are reminiscent of the telecom style converters used with
> 48V systems.

Sadly, there are many things that "deliver power over an ethernet cable"
that are erroneously labeled as "PoE".

The actual standards are pretty comprehensive and tend to cover the
"real" use cases, well -- including protecting against non-PD devices
being connected to a PoE-enabled drop.

Increasingly, I see people moving away from midspan injectors to endspan
support.

It's not hard to design a universal PD configuration that will tolerate
both A and B configurations as well as polarity independence. (This
because the PSE has the final word on how it will supply power) And,
develop the supplies that you *actually* need in your PD.

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 by: John Larkin - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 15:44 UTC

On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 07:10:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Fri, 10 Feb 2023 13:16:24 -0800) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
><5icduh5ftrih8qfb1u1s398dah9ntt9671@4ax.com>:
>
>>Looks like a lot of people make a SIP-packaged PoE power module.
>>
>>https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/Ag9712-2BR?qs=OlC7AqGiEDmgbLGLmzziyA%3D%3D
>>
>>and they look to be approximately drop-in compatible. They get one or
>>two pairs of DC from the ethernet connector and make isolated DC out,
>>from 3.3 to 24 volts in various versions.
>>
>>So it could be a plug-in option for a little box that otherwise runs
>>from a 24 volt wart.
>>
>>Price is roughly $10. The cheapest Alibaba unit is around $3!
>
>
>What do you do when one fails a few years from now?
>Buy a hundred up front?

Or a thousand. Or design for multiple sources; there seem to be
several. Or untimately make our own as a last resort.

I like the SIP package. We could offer PoE as an option. It wouldn't
take much board space.

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 by: Lasse Langwadt Chris - Sat, 11 Feb 2023 19:00 UTC

fredag den 10. februar 2023 kl. 22.16.38 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
> Looks like a lot of people make a SIP-packaged PoE power module.
>
> https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/Ag9712-2BR?qs=OlC7AqGiEDmgbLGLmzziyA%3D%3D
>
> and they look to be approximately drop-in compatible. They get one or
> two pairs of DC from the ethernet connector and make isolated DC out,
> from 3.3 to 24 volts in various versions.
>
> So it could be a plug-in option for a little box that otherwise runs
> from a 24 volt wart.
>
> Price is roughly $10. The cheapest Alibaba unit is around $3!

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/18709
https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/2/9/2/b/3/DP9900_Datasheet.pdf

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 by: boB - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 06:27 UTC

On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 07:44:37 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 07:10:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Fri, 10 Feb 2023 13:16:24 -0800) it happened John Larkin
>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>><5icduh5ftrih8qfb1u1s398dah9ntt9671@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>Looks like a lot of people make a SIP-packaged PoE power module.
>>>
>>>https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silvertel/Ag9712-2BR?qs=OlC7AqGiEDmgbLGLmzziyA%3D%3D
>>>
>>>and they look to be approximately drop-in compatible. They get one or
>>>two pairs of DC from the ethernet connector and make isolated DC out,
>>>from 3.3 to 24 volts in various versions.
>>>
>>>So it could be a plug-in option for a little box that otherwise runs
>>>from a 24 volt wart.
>>>
>>>Price is roughly $10. The cheapest Alibaba unit is around $3!
>>
>>
>>What do you do when one fails a few years from now?
>>Buy a hundred up front?
>
>Or a thousand. Or design for multiple sources; there seem to be
>several. Or untimately make our own as a last resort.
>
>I like the SIP package. We could offer PoE as an option. It wouldn't
>take much board space.

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