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This paper explores the intriguing interplay between high speeds,
time dilation, and the perceived motion of objects. We investigate a
scenario where two cars race side by side, with one car (Car A)
moving at a velocity close to the speed of light, while the other car
(Car B) maintains a relatively lower speed.

Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
outcome of the race and delves into the effects of extreme time
dilation on the speed at which objects fall. By considering these
phenomena, we aim to deepen our understanding of relativity and its
implications for the perception of motion.

In this study, we aim to shed light on the influence of time dilation
on the perceived motion and outcomes of a high-speed race between two
cars. We examine the scenario where Car A moves at a velocity close
to the speed of light, while Car B maintains a relatively lower
speed. As stationary observers, we eagerly observe the race,
intrigued by the unfolding physics.

Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
motion and outcomes of such a race. Additionally, we investigate the
impact of extreme time dilation on the speed at which objects fall.
By exploring these scenarios, we seek to gain a deeper understanding
of the fundamental nature of time dilation and its implications for
various physical phenomena.

The velocity of Car A leads to significant time dilation effects. Due
to this high velocity, the internal clock of Car A appears to tick
slower relative to the stationary observer, while Car B, moving at a
relatively lower velocity, does not undergo substantial time
dilation. The observed time difference between the two cars becomes a
crucial factor in determining the race's outcome.

To the stationary observer, Car A, experiencing time dilation,
appears to be moving slower compared to Car B. This discrepancy
arises because the observer's clock ticks at a regular rate, while
the clock in Car A is dilated. Consequently, Car B, which is not
affected by time dilation, seems to be progressing faster in the
race. We can quantify the time dilation effect using the Lorentz
factor, which relates the time observed by the stationary observer to
the time experienced by the moving object.

As the velocity of Car A approaches the speed of light, the Lorentz
factor becomes increasingly significant, causing time dilation to be
more pronounced. This amplifies the perceived speed difference
between the two cars. Therefore, despite Car A potentially covering
the same physical distance as Car B, the time dilation effect causes
Car A to lag behind in the observer's frame of reference, resulting
in Car B being declared the winner of the race.

Furthermore, we explore the effects of extreme time dilation on the
perceived speed at which objects fall. The specific behavior depends
on the circumstances of the time dilation and the reference frame
from which it is observed. In the context of objects falling, if
extreme time dilation arises from high velocities relative to an
observer, the falling objects may appear to descend at a slower rate.
According to the principles of special relativity, as an object
approaches the speed of light, its internal processes, including the
ticking of its clock, slow down relative to a stationary observer.

This time dilation effect causes the object's perceived motion to be
slower relative to the observer. However, from the perspective of the
time-dilated object itself, it experiences time at a normal rate, and
its fall would appear to occur at the expected speed. Nevertheless,
to an observer external to the time dilation region, the falling
object would appear to move slower than expected due to the time
dilation.

By examining the impact of time dilation on high-speed racing and the
perceived motion of falling objects, we contribute to our
understanding of relativity and its implications for various physical
phenomena. Further research can delve into the implications of time
dilation in different contexts, leading to novel discoveries and
deepening our comprehension of the universe.

Additionally, it is worth mentioning that in the theory of general
relativity, objects in free fall are considered weightless due to the
equivalence principle. The equivalence principle states that the
effects of gravity are indistinguishable from the effects of
acceleration. Consequently, when an object is in free fall, it
experiences no weight due to the balance between the gravitational
force and its inertia.

This principle provides a fundamental understanding of the behavior
of objects in free fall and their weightlessness. When considering a
scenario where an elevator is in free fall, the experience of a
person inside the elevator and an observer on the ground differ
significantly. From the perspective of a person inside the
free-falling elevator, several notable phenomena come into play.

The first is weightlessness, where the person experiences a sensation
of weightlessness as the elevator undergoes free fall. This occurs
because both the person and the elevator are subject to the same
acceleration due to gravity. Without any support force acting on the
person, they feel as though gravity is absent, resulting in a
sensation of weightlessness. Inside the elevator, all objects and
bodies are observed to be weightless. Objects float and can be easily
moved around with minimal force.

Although the laws of Newtonian mechanics still apply, the effective
force of gravity is masked by the acceleration of free fall, creating
the illusion of weightlessness. Furthermore, in free fall, both the
elevator and the person inside experience the same acceleration due
to gravity. This acceleration, typically denoted by "g" and
approximately equal to 9.8 m/s² near the surface of the Earth, does
not cause any noticeable sensation of acceleration for the person
inside the elevator since they are in a state of free fall.

The equivalence principle plays a vital role in the theory of general
relativity by establishing a connection between gravity and
acceleration. It consists of two main aspects: the Weak Equivalence
Principle and the Strong Equivalence Principle. The Weak Equivalence
Principle states that in a small region of spacetime, the motion of a
freely falling object is independent of its mass and composition.

This principle implies that all objects, regardless of their mass or
composition, fall with the same acceleration in a gravitational
field. It aligns with Galileo's observation that objects of different
masses, when released simultaneously, would fall to the ground at the
same rate in the absence of air resistance. The Strong Equivalence
Principle extends the Weak Equivalence Principle further.

It states that the effects of gravity are locally equivalent to the
effects of being in an accelerated reference frame. Consequently, in
a small region of spacetime, the laws of physics, including the
effects of gravity, are the same for an observer in a freely falling
reference frame as they would be for an observer in an inertial
reference frame in the absence of gravity.

The Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that gravity is not merely
a force acting on objects but rather a curvature of spacetime caused
by the presence of mass and energy. According to the theory of
general relativity, massive objects like stars and planets cause
spacetime to curve around them, and other objects move along curved
paths in response to this curvature.

Therefore, the equivalence principle implies that the experience of
gravity can be understood as the effect of being in an accelerated
reference frame in curved spacetime. It provides profound insights
into the nature of gravity and forms the foundation of Einstein's
general theory of relativity, which describes gravity as the
curvature of spacetime caused by matter and energy.

Particularly, the Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that being in
an accelerated reference frame is equivalent to being in a
gravitational field. Now, let's explore the behavior of gyroscopes. A
gyroscope, a spinning object with angular momentum, exhibits a
property known as gyroscopic stability, enabling it to maintain its
orientation in space even when subjected to external forces.

When a gyroscope spins rapidly, it possesses significant angular
momentum, which influences its behavior when subjected to
gravitational forces. When a gyroscope is dropped vertically, gravity
exerts a torque on it due to its asymmetrical shape and the force
acting on its center of mass. However, the gyroscope's angular
momentum resists this torque, causing it to precess.

Precession refers to the change in the direction of the gyroscope's
axis of rotation instead of falling straight down. As a result, the
gyroscope appears to fall more slowly compared to an object without
angular momentum, such as a rock falling in a linear downward
trajectory. The high spin rate of the gyroscope increases its angular
momentum, enhancing its gyroscopic stability.

This stability counteracts the gravitational torque to a greater
extent, leading to a slower apparent fall. The discovery that falling
gyroscopes can fall slower than other objects is attributed to a
physicist named Thomas Precession Searle. In the early 20th century,
Searle conducted experiments involving rapidly spinning gyroscopes
and observed their behavior when dropped from a height. He noted that
the gyroscopes appeared to fall more slowly than expected, exhibiting
a precession or circular/helical motion during their descent.


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Corey White wrote:

> This paper explores the intriguing interplay between high speeds, time
> dilation, and the perceived motion of objects. We investigate a scenario
> where two cars race side by side, with one car (Car A) moving at a
> velocity close to the speed of light, while the other car (Car B)
> maintains a relatively lower speed.

the merekanski and the *_collective_west_* sucks in car industry badly
too. You stupid underdeveloped primitive baboons. Your countries are
shitholes. Now without gas, oil, food and industry, you really are going
to shit in a hole back in your garden, toilet paper nowhere to find.
Amazing.

CHINESE Transport of The Future has STUNNED The World.
The Biggest Car Show - Auto Shanghai 2023
https://bi%74%63%68ute.com/video/dkyKLtkMWz1N

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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:46:27 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> This paper explores the intriguing interplay between high speeds,
> time dilation, and the perceived motion of objects. We investigate a
> scenario where two cars race side by side, with one car (Car A)
> moving at a velocity close to the speed of light, while the other car
> (Car B) maintains a relatively lower speed.
>
> Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> outcome of the race and delves into the effects of extreme time
> dilation on the speed at which objects fall. By considering these
> phenomena, we aim to deepen our understanding of relativity and its
> implications for the perception of motion.
>
> In this study, we aim to shed light on the influence of time dilation
> on the perceived motion and outcomes of a high-speed race between two
> cars. We examine the scenario where Car A moves at a velocity close
> to the speed of light, while Car B maintains a relatively lower
> speed. As stationary observers, we eagerly observe the race,
> intrigued by the unfolding physics.
>
> Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> motion and outcomes of such a race. Additionally, we investigate the
> impact of extreme time dilation on the speed at which objects fall.
> By exploring these scenarios, we seek to gain a deeper understanding
> of the fundamental nature of time dilation and its implications for
> various physical phenomena.
>
> The velocity of Car A leads to significant time dilation effects. Due
> to this high velocity, the internal clock of Car A appears to tick
> slower relative to the stationary observer, while Car B, moving at a
> relatively lower velocity, does not undergo substantial time
> dilation. The observed time difference between the two cars becomes a
> crucial factor in determining the race's outcome.
>
> To the stationary observer, Car A, experiencing time dilation,
> appears to be moving slower compared to Car B. This discrepancy
> arises because the observer's clock ticks at a regular rate, while
> the clock in Car A is dilated. Consequently, Car B, which is not
> affected by time dilation, seems to be progressing faster in the
> race. We can quantify the time dilation effect using the Lorentz
> factor, which relates the time observed by the stationary observer to
> the time experienced by the moving object.
>
> As the velocity of Car A approaches the speed of light, the Lorentz
> factor becomes increasingly significant, causing time dilation to be
> more pronounced. This amplifies the perceived speed difference
> between the two cars. Therefore, despite Car A potentially covering
> the same physical distance as Car B, the time dilation effect causes
> Car A to lag behind in the observer's frame of reference, resulting
> in Car B being declared the winner of the race.
>
> Furthermore, we explore the effects of extreme time dilation on the
> perceived speed at which objects fall. The specific behavior depends
> on the circumstances of the time dilation and the reference frame
> from which it is observed. In the context of objects falling, if
> extreme time dilation arises from high velocities relative to an
> observer, the falling objects may appear to descend at a slower rate.
> According to the principles of special relativity, as an object
> approaches the speed of light, its internal processes, including the
> ticking of its clock, slow down relative to a stationary observer.
>
> This time dilation effect causes the object's perceived motion to be
> slower relative to the observer. However, from the perspective of the
> time-dilated object itself, it experiences time at a normal rate, and
> its fall would appear to occur at the expected speed. Nevertheless,
> to an observer external to the time dilation region, the falling
> object would appear to move slower than expected due to the time
> dilation.
>
> By examining the impact of time dilation on high-speed racing and the
> perceived motion of falling objects, we contribute to our
> understanding of relativity and its implications for various physical
> phenomena. Further research can delve into the implications of time
> dilation in different contexts, leading to novel discoveries and
> deepening our comprehension of the universe.
>
> Additionally, it is worth mentioning that in the theory of general
> relativity, objects in free fall are considered weightless due to the
> equivalence principle. The equivalence principle states that the
> effects of gravity are indistinguishable from the effects of
> acceleration. Consequently, when an object is in free fall, it
> experiences no weight due to the balance between the gravitational
> force and its inertia.
>
> This principle provides a fundamental understanding of the behavior
> of objects in free fall and their weightlessness. When considering a
> scenario where an elevator is in free fall, the experience of a
> person inside the elevator and an observer on the ground differ
> significantly. From the perspective of a person inside the
> free-falling elevator, several notable phenomena come into play.
>
> The first is weightlessness, where the person experiences a sensation
> of weightlessness as the elevator undergoes free fall. This occurs
> because both the person and the elevator are subject to the same
> acceleration due to gravity. Without any support force acting on the
> person, they feel as though gravity is absent, resulting in a
> sensation of weightlessness. Inside the elevator, all objects and
> bodies are observed to be weightless. Objects float and can be easily
> moved around with minimal force.
>
> Although the laws of Newtonian mechanics still apply, the effective
> force of gravity is masked by the acceleration of free fall, creating
> the illusion of weightlessness. Furthermore, in free fall, both the
> elevator and the person inside experience the same acceleration due
> to gravity. This acceleration, typically denoted by "g" and
> approximately equal to 9.8 m/s² near the surface of the Earth, does
> not cause any noticeable sensation of acceleration for the person
> inside the elevator since they are in a state of free fall.
>
> The equivalence principle plays a vital role in the theory of general
> relativity by establishing a connection between gravity and
> acceleration. It consists of two main aspects: the Weak Equivalence
> Principle and the Strong Equivalence Principle. The Weak Equivalence
> Principle states that in a small region of spacetime, the motion of a
> freely falling object is independent of its mass and composition.
>
> This principle implies that all objects, regardless of their mass or
> composition, fall with the same acceleration in a gravitational
> field. It aligns with Galileo's observation that objects of different
> masses, when released simultaneously, would fall to the ground at the
> same rate in the absence of air resistance. The Strong Equivalence
> Principle extends the Weak Equivalence Principle further.
>
> It states that the effects of gravity are locally equivalent to the
> effects of being in an accelerated reference frame. Consequently, in
> a small region of spacetime, the laws of physics, including the
> effects of gravity, are the same for an observer in a freely falling
> reference frame as they would be for an observer in an inertial
> reference frame in the absence of gravity.
>
> The Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that gravity is not merely
> a force acting on objects but rather a curvature of spacetime caused
> by the presence of mass and energy. According to the theory of
> general relativity, massive objects like stars and planets cause
> spacetime to curve around them, and other objects move along curved
> paths in response to this curvature.
>
> Therefore, the equivalence principle implies that the experience of
> gravity can be understood as the effect of being in an accelerated
> reference frame in curved spacetime. It provides profound insights
> into the nature of gravity and forms the foundation of Einstein's
> general theory of relativity, which describes gravity as the
> curvature of spacetime caused by matter and energy.
>
> Particularly, the Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that being in
> an accelerated reference frame is equivalent to being in a
> gravitational field. Now, let's explore the behavior of gyroscopes. A
> gyroscope, a spinning object with angular momentum, exhibits a
> property known as gyroscopic stability, enabling it to maintain its
> orientation in space even when subjected to external forces.
>
> When a gyroscope spins rapidly, it possesses significant angular
> momentum, which influences its behavior when subjected to
> gravitational forces. When a gyroscope is dropped vertically, gravity
> exerts a torque on it due to its asymmetrical shape and the force
> acting on its center of mass. However, the gyroscope's angular
> momentum resists this torque, causing it to precess.
>
> Precession refers to the change in the direction of the gyroscope's
> axis of rotation instead of falling straight down. As a result, the
> gyroscope appears to fall more slowly compared to an object without
> angular momentum, such as a rock falling in a linear downward
> trajectory. The high spin rate of the gyroscope increases its angular
> momentum, enhancing its gyroscopic stability.
>
> This stability counteracts the gravitational torque to a greater
> extent, leading to a slower apparent fall. The discovery that falling
> gyroscopes can fall slower than other objects is attributed to a
> physicist named Thomas Precession Searle. In the early 20th century,
> Searle conducted experiments involving rapidly spinning gyroscopes
> and observed their behavior when dropped from a height. He noted that
> the gyroscopes appeared to fall more slowly than expected, exhibiting
> a precession or circular/helical motion during their descent.
>
> When the effects of gyroscopic stability and time dilation combine,
> the effect of the gyroscope's gyroscopic stability and time dilation
> can lead to an even slower apparent fall compared to both
> non-rotating objects and objects not subjected to time dilation. One
> experiment I have done with gyroscopes is to take a heavy wheel on a
> long axle. While the wheel is spinning, the axle is rotated in a
> circle. This will cause the wheel to lift up in the air pointing
> vertically away from the earth, which in itself is amazing.
>
> If the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the heavy
> wheel will point firmly to the ground and be too heavy to lift. The
> effect happens in reverse in earths southern hemisphere (like water
> going down a drain). And if you preform the experiment in a free
> fall, the wheel on the axle will stay level & won't point up or down
> at all.
>
> To understand why this occurs I tried asking chat gpt. It broke it
> down like this:
>
> Angular Momentum: When the heavy wheel on the long axle spins
> rapidly, it possesses a significant amount of angular momentum.
> Angular momentum is a property of rotating objects and depends on
> both the mass and distribution of mass around the axis of rotation.
> The fast spinning of the wheel creates this angular momentum.
> Torque: When the axle is rotated in a circular motion, it applies a
> torque to the spinning wheel. Torque is a twisting force that tends
> to cause a change in rotational motion. In this case, the torque is
> applied perpendicular to the axis of rotation of the wheel.
>
> Gyroscopic Stability: Due to its angular momentum, the spinning wheel
> exhibits gyroscopic stability. Gyroscopic stability is the property
> of a spinning object to resist any external torque that tries to
> change its orientation. This resistance to torque is what allows the
> gyroscope to maintain its stability and direction of rotation.
>
> Gyroscopic Precession: When the axle is rotated, the torque applied
> causes the spinning wheel to precess. Precession is the phenomenon
> where the axis of rotation of a spinning object changes direction in
> response to an applied torque. In this case, the applied torque
> causes the gyroscope's axis to change its direction of pointing. The
> direction of precession is determined by the interaction between the
> applied torque and the existing angular momentum.
>
> The precession follows a right-hand rule: if you imagine the
> direction of the applied torque vector, the resulting precession will
> be in the direction perpendicular to both the torque vector and the
> angular momentum vector. When the wheel is spinning in one direction
> and the axle is rotated in a particular direction, the torque and
> angular momentum vectors align in a way that causes the gyroscope to
> lift up, pointing vertically away from the Earth.
>
> When the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the
> torque and angular momentum vectors align differently, resulting in
> the gyroscope pointing downward, towards the ground.
>
> The reversal of this effect in the Earth's southern hemisphere is not
> related to the gyroscope itself but rather to the Coriolis effect.
> The Coriolis effect arises due to the Earth's rotation and can affect
> the behavior of rotating objects.
>
> The Coriolis effect causes the direction of rotation to appear
> reversed when observed from different hemispheres. This effect
> influences phenomena such as the rotation of weather patterns and
> ocean currents.
>
> In a free fall or microgravity environment, such as during space
> travel or inside a freely falling elevator, the gyroscope would not
> experience the same gravitational torque as on Earth's surface. As a
> result, it would not exhibit the lifting or pointing behavior you
> described, and the gyroscope would stay level without pointing up or
> down.
>
> You can watch the experiment online here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeyDf4ooPdo


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On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:56:30 PM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:46:27 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> > This paper explores the intriguing interplay between high speeds,
> > time dilation, and the perceived motion of objects. We investigate a
> > scenario where two cars race side by side, with one car (Car A)
> > moving at a velocity close to the speed of light, while the other car
> > (Car B) maintains a relatively lower speed.
> >
> > Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> > outcome of the race and delves into the effects of extreme time
> > dilation on the speed at which objects fall. By considering these
> > phenomena, we aim to deepen our understanding of relativity and its
> > implications for the perception of motion.
> >
> > In this study, we aim to shed light on the influence of time dilation
> > on the perceived motion and outcomes of a high-speed race between two
> > cars. We examine the scenario where Car A moves at a velocity close
> > to the speed of light, while Car B maintains a relatively lower
> > speed. As stationary observers, we eagerly observe the race,
> > intrigued by the unfolding physics.
> >
> > Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> > motion and outcomes of such a race. Additionally, we investigate the
> > impact of extreme time dilation on the speed at which objects fall.
> > By exploring these scenarios, we seek to gain a deeper understanding
> > of the fundamental nature of time dilation and its implications for
> > various physical phenomena.
> >
> > The velocity of Car A leads to significant time dilation effects. Due
> > to this high velocity, the internal clock of Car A appears to tick
> > slower relative to the stationary observer, while Car B, moving at a
> > relatively lower velocity, does not undergo substantial time
> > dilation. The observed time difference between the two cars becomes a
> > crucial factor in determining the race's outcome.
> >
> > To the stationary observer, Car A, experiencing time dilation,
> > appears to be moving slower compared to Car B. This discrepancy
> > arises because the observer's clock ticks at a regular rate, while
> > the clock in Car A is dilated. Consequently, Car B, which is not
> > affected by time dilation, seems to be progressing faster in the
> > race. We can quantify the time dilation effect using the Lorentz
> > factor, which relates the time observed by the stationary observer to
> > the time experienced by the moving object.
> >
> > As the velocity of Car A approaches the speed of light, the Lorentz
> > factor becomes increasingly significant, causing time dilation to be
> > more pronounced. This amplifies the perceived speed difference
> > between the two cars. Therefore, despite Car A potentially covering
> > the same physical distance as Car B, the time dilation effect causes
> > Car A to lag behind in the observer's frame of reference, resulting
> > in Car B being declared the winner of the race.
> >
> > Furthermore, we explore the effects of extreme time dilation on the
> > perceived speed at which objects fall. The specific behavior depends
> > on the circumstances of the time dilation and the reference frame
> > from which it is observed. In the context of objects falling, if
> > extreme time dilation arises from high velocities relative to an
> > observer, the falling objects may appear to descend at a slower rate.
> > According to the principles of special relativity, as an object
> > approaches the speed of light, its internal processes, including the
> > ticking of its clock, slow down relative to a stationary observer.
> >
> > This time dilation effect causes the object's perceived motion to be
> > slower relative to the observer. However, from the perspective of the
> > time-dilated object itself, it experiences time at a normal rate, and
> > its fall would appear to occur at the expected speed. Nevertheless,
> > to an observer external to the time dilation region, the falling
> > object would appear to move slower than expected due to the time
> > dilation.
> >
> > By examining the impact of time dilation on high-speed racing and the
> > perceived motion of falling objects, we contribute to our
> > understanding of relativity and its implications for various physical
> > phenomena. Further research can delve into the implications of time
> > dilation in different contexts, leading to novel discoveries and
> > deepening our comprehension of the universe.
> >
> > Additionally, it is worth mentioning that in the theory of general
> > relativity, objects in free fall are considered weightless due to the
> > equivalence principle. The equivalence principle states that the
> > effects of gravity are indistinguishable from the effects of
> > acceleration. Consequently, when an object is in free fall, it
> > experiences no weight due to the balance between the gravitational
> > force and its inertia.
> >
> > This principle provides a fundamental understanding of the behavior
> > of objects in free fall and their weightlessness. When considering a
> > scenario where an elevator is in free fall, the experience of a
> > person inside the elevator and an observer on the ground differ
> > significantly. From the perspective of a person inside the
> > free-falling elevator, several notable phenomena come into play.
> >
> > The first is weightlessness, where the person experiences a sensation
> > of weightlessness as the elevator undergoes free fall. This occurs
> > because both the person and the elevator are subject to the same
> > acceleration due to gravity. Without any support force acting on the
> > person, they feel as though gravity is absent, resulting in a
> > sensation of weightlessness. Inside the elevator, all objects and
> > bodies are observed to be weightless. Objects float and can be easily
> > moved around with minimal force.
> >
> > Although the laws of Newtonian mechanics still apply, the effective
> > force of gravity is masked by the acceleration of free fall, creating
> > the illusion of weightlessness. Furthermore, in free fall, both the
> > elevator and the person inside experience the same acceleration due
> > to gravity. This acceleration, typically denoted by "g" and
> > approximately equal to 9.8 m/s² near the surface of the Earth, does
> > not cause any noticeable sensation of acceleration for the person
> > inside the elevator since they are in a state of free fall.
> >
> > The equivalence principle plays a vital role in the theory of general
> > relativity by establishing a connection between gravity and
> > acceleration. It consists of two main aspects: the Weak Equivalence
> > Principle and the Strong Equivalence Principle. The Weak Equivalence
> > Principle states that in a small region of spacetime, the motion of a
> > freely falling object is independent of its mass and composition.
> >
> > This principle implies that all objects, regardless of their mass or
> > composition, fall with the same acceleration in a gravitational
> > field. It aligns with Galileo's observation that objects of different
> > masses, when released simultaneously, would fall to the ground at the
> > same rate in the absence of air resistance. The Strong Equivalence
> > Principle extends the Weak Equivalence Principle further.
> >
> > It states that the effects of gravity are locally equivalent to the
> > effects of being in an accelerated reference frame. Consequently, in
> > a small region of spacetime, the laws of physics, including the
> > effects of gravity, are the same for an observer in a freely falling
> > reference frame as they would be for an observer in an inertial
> > reference frame in the absence of gravity.
> >
> > The Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that gravity is not merely
> > a force acting on objects but rather a curvature of spacetime caused
> > by the presence of mass and energy. According to the theory of
> > general relativity, massive objects like stars and planets cause
> > spacetime to curve around them, and other objects move along curved
> > paths in response to this curvature.
> >
> > Therefore, the equivalence principle implies that the experience of
> > gravity can be understood as the effect of being in an accelerated
> > reference frame in curved spacetime. It provides profound insights
> > into the nature of gravity and forms the foundation of Einstein's
> > general theory of relativity, which describes gravity as the
> > curvature of spacetime caused by matter and energy.
> >
> > Particularly, the Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that being in
> > an accelerated reference frame is equivalent to being in a
> > gravitational field. Now, let's explore the behavior of gyroscopes. A
> > gyroscope, a spinning object with angular momentum, exhibits a
> > property known as gyroscopic stability, enabling it to maintain its
> > orientation in space even when subjected to external forces.
> >
> > When a gyroscope spins rapidly, it possesses significant angular
> > momentum, which influences its behavior when subjected to
> > gravitational forces. When a gyroscope is dropped vertically, gravity
> > exerts a torque on it due to its asymmetrical shape and the force
> > acting on its center of mass. However, the gyroscope's angular
> > momentum resists this torque, causing it to precess.
> >
> > Precession refers to the change in the direction of the gyroscope's
> > axis of rotation instead of falling straight down. As a result, the
> > gyroscope appears to fall more slowly compared to an object without
> > angular momentum, such as a rock falling in a linear downward
> > trajectory. The high spin rate of the gyroscope increases its angular
> > momentum, enhancing its gyroscopic stability.
> >
> > This stability counteracts the gravitational torque to a greater
> > extent, leading to a slower apparent fall. The discovery that falling
> > gyroscopes can fall slower than other objects is attributed to a
> > physicist named Thomas Precession Searle. In the early 20th century,
> > Searle conducted experiments involving rapidly spinning gyroscopes
> > and observed their behavior when dropped from a height. He noted that
> > the gyroscopes appeared to fall more slowly than expected, exhibiting
> > a precession or circular/helical motion during their descent.
> >
> > When the effects of gyroscopic stability and time dilation combine,
> > the effect of the gyroscope's gyroscopic stability and time dilation
> > can lead to an even slower apparent fall compared to both
> > non-rotating objects and objects not subjected to time dilation. One
> > experiment I have done with gyroscopes is to take a heavy wheel on a
> > long axle. While the wheel is spinning, the axle is rotated in a
> > circle. This will cause the wheel to lift up in the air pointing
> > vertically away from the earth, which in itself is amazing.
> >
> > If the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the heavy
> > wheel will point firmly to the ground and be too heavy to lift. The
> > effect happens in reverse in earths southern hemisphere (like water
> > going down a drain). And if you preform the experiment in a free
> > fall, the wheel on the axle will stay level & won't point up or down
> > at all.
> >
> > To understand why this occurs I tried asking chat gpt. It broke it
> > down like this:
> >
> > Angular Momentum: When the heavy wheel on the long axle spins
> > rapidly, it possesses a significant amount of angular momentum.
> > Angular momentum is a property of rotating objects and depends on
> > both the mass and distribution of mass around the axis of rotation.
> > The fast spinning of the wheel creates this angular momentum.
> > Torque: When the axle is rotated in a circular motion, it applies a
> > torque to the spinning wheel. Torque is a twisting force that tends
> > to cause a change in rotational motion. In this case, the torque is
> > applied perpendicular to the axis of rotation of the wheel.
> >
> > Gyroscopic Stability: Due to its angular momentum, the spinning wheel
> > exhibits gyroscopic stability. Gyroscopic stability is the property
> > of a spinning object to resist any external torque that tries to
> > change its orientation. This resistance to torque is what allows the
> > gyroscope to maintain its stability and direction of rotation.
> >
> > Gyroscopic Precession: When the axle is rotated, the torque applied
> > causes the spinning wheel to precess. Precession is the phenomenon
> > where the axis of rotation of a spinning object changes direction in
> > response to an applied torque. In this case, the applied torque
> > causes the gyroscope's axis to change its direction of pointing. The
> > direction of precession is determined by the interaction between the
> > applied torque and the existing angular momentum.
> >
> > The precession follows a right-hand rule: if you imagine the
> > direction of the applied torque vector, the resulting precession will
> > be in the direction perpendicular to both the torque vector and the
> > angular momentum vector. When the wheel is spinning in one direction
> > and the axle is rotated in a particular direction, the torque and
> > angular momentum vectors align in a way that causes the gyroscope to
> > lift up, pointing vertically away from the Earth.
> >
> > When the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the
> > torque and angular momentum vectors align differently, resulting in
> > the gyroscope pointing downward, towards the ground.
> >
> > The reversal of this effect in the Earth's southern hemisphere is not
> > related to the gyroscope itself but rather to the Coriolis effect.
> > The Coriolis effect arises due to the Earth's rotation and can affect
> > the behavior of rotating objects.
> >
> > The Coriolis effect causes the direction of rotation to appear
> > reversed when observed from different hemispheres. This effect
> > influences phenomena such as the rotation of weather patterns and
> > ocean currents.
> >
> > In a free fall or microgravity environment, such as during space
> > travel or inside a freely falling elevator, the gyroscope would not
> > experience the same gravitational torque as on Earth's surface. As a
> > result, it would not exhibit the lifting or pointing behavior you
> > described, and the gyroscope would stay level without pointing up or
> > down.
> >
> > You can watch the experiment online here:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeyDf4ooPdo
> Sorry, if you're using unquoted "ChatGPT" output it's figured you don't really
> know or have command of the content.
>
> It's considered a matter of scientific and literary integrity that sources are
> not _copied_ only _referenced_ and that it's _annotated and clear_ any
> such _liftings of copy_, it's called _bibliographic reference_.
>
> This is to protect you and the sources both, you from their mistakes and
> them from your plagiarism, then also to protect your readers from your
> plagiarism and that they don't unknowingly accept stolen goods.
>
> (Figuring that they'd protect themselves from knowingly accepting
> stolen goods.)
>
> So, by know the MLA or Chicago style or somebody should have a standard way to
> quote "ChatGPT", it's called not being a plagiarist or misrepresentation.
>
> https://style.mla.org/citing-generative-ai/
>
> Then, you'd probably also want the "ChatGPT" to quote and cite _its_ sources,
> but, it's a sort of delinquent that plagiarizes and misrepresents.
>
> So, you should probably include the entire contents of your "ChatGPT" session
> as a sort of appendix, so that reviewers can diff it.
>
> Otherwise it'd be said if somebody asked you what you meant and you went "I dunno, ...".
> It'd really run the risk of making you look like an idiot and having misrepresented what
> are the works of others, and ruin your reputation.
>
> Some people really believe in "fake it 'til you make it", they're called frauds.
>
>
> So, you can write a _citation_ for "ChatGPT" output, but it's not really considered
> a "bibliographic reference", because, it doesn't provide them.


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On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:00:43 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:56:30 PM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:46:27 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> > > This paper explores the intriguing interplay between high speeds,
> > > time dilation, and the perceived motion of objects. We investigate a
> > > scenario where two cars race side by side, with one car (Car A)
> > > moving at a velocity close to the speed of light, while the other car
> > > (Car B) maintains a relatively lower speed.
> > >
> > > Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> > > outcome of the race and delves into the effects of extreme time
> > > dilation on the speed at which objects fall. By considering these
> > > phenomena, we aim to deepen our understanding of relativity and its
> > > implications for the perception of motion.
> > >
> > > In this study, we aim to shed light on the influence of time dilation
> > > on the perceived motion and outcomes of a high-speed race between two
> > > cars. We examine the scenario where Car A moves at a velocity close
> > > to the speed of light, while Car B maintains a relatively lower
> > > speed. As stationary observers, we eagerly observe the race,
> > > intrigued by the unfolding physics.
> > >
> > > Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> > > motion and outcomes of such a race. Additionally, we investigate the
> > > impact of extreme time dilation on the speed at which objects fall.
> > > By exploring these scenarios, we seek to gain a deeper understanding
> > > of the fundamental nature of time dilation and its implications for
> > > various physical phenomena.
> > >
> > > The velocity of Car A leads to significant time dilation effects. Due
> > > to this high velocity, the internal clock of Car A appears to tick
> > > slower relative to the stationary observer, while Car B, moving at a
> > > relatively lower velocity, does not undergo substantial time
> > > dilation. The observed time difference between the two cars becomes a
> > > crucial factor in determining the race's outcome.
> > >
> > > To the stationary observer, Car A, experiencing time dilation,
> > > appears to be moving slower compared to Car B. This discrepancy
> > > arises because the observer's clock ticks at a regular rate, while
> > > the clock in Car A is dilated. Consequently, Car B, which is not
> > > affected by time dilation, seems to be progressing faster in the
> > > race. We can quantify the time dilation effect using the Lorentz
> > > factor, which relates the time observed by the stationary observer to
> > > the time experienced by the moving object.
> > >
> > > As the velocity of Car A approaches the speed of light, the Lorentz
> > > factor becomes increasingly significant, causing time dilation to be
> > > more pronounced. This amplifies the perceived speed difference
> > > between the two cars. Therefore, despite Car A potentially covering
> > > the same physical distance as Car B, the time dilation effect causes
> > > Car A to lag behind in the observer's frame of reference, resulting
> > > in Car B being declared the winner of the race.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, we explore the effects of extreme time dilation on the
> > > perceived speed at which objects fall. The specific behavior depends
> > > on the circumstances of the time dilation and the reference frame
> > > from which it is observed. In the context of objects falling, if
> > > extreme time dilation arises from high velocities relative to an
> > > observer, the falling objects may appear to descend at a slower rate.
> > > According to the principles of special relativity, as an object
> > > approaches the speed of light, its internal processes, including the
> > > ticking of its clock, slow down relative to a stationary observer.
> > >
> > > This time dilation effect causes the object's perceived motion to be
> > > slower relative to the observer. However, from the perspective of the
> > > time-dilated object itself, it experiences time at a normal rate, and
> > > its fall would appear to occur at the expected speed. Nevertheless,
> > > to an observer external to the time dilation region, the falling
> > > object would appear to move slower than expected due to the time
> > > dilation.
> > >
> > > By examining the impact of time dilation on high-speed racing and the
> > > perceived motion of falling objects, we contribute to our
> > > understanding of relativity and its implications for various physical
> > > phenomena. Further research can delve into the implications of time
> > > dilation in different contexts, leading to novel discoveries and
> > > deepening our comprehension of the universe.
> > >
> > > Additionally, it is worth mentioning that in the theory of general
> > > relativity, objects in free fall are considered weightless due to the
> > > equivalence principle. The equivalence principle states that the
> > > effects of gravity are indistinguishable from the effects of
> > > acceleration. Consequently, when an object is in free fall, it
> > > experiences no weight due to the balance between the gravitational
> > > force and its inertia.
> > >
> > > This principle provides a fundamental understanding of the behavior
> > > of objects in free fall and their weightlessness. When considering a
> > > scenario where an elevator is in free fall, the experience of a
> > > person inside the elevator and an observer on the ground differ
> > > significantly. From the perspective of a person inside the
> > > free-falling elevator, several notable phenomena come into play.
> > >
> > > The first is weightlessness, where the person experiences a sensation
> > > of weightlessness as the elevator undergoes free fall. This occurs
> > > because both the person and the elevator are subject to the same
> > > acceleration due to gravity. Without any support force acting on the
> > > person, they feel as though gravity is absent, resulting in a
> > > sensation of weightlessness. Inside the elevator, all objects and
> > > bodies are observed to be weightless. Objects float and can be easily
> > > moved around with minimal force.
> > >
> > > Although the laws of Newtonian mechanics still apply, the effective
> > > force of gravity is masked by the acceleration of free fall, creating
> > > the illusion of weightlessness. Furthermore, in free fall, both the
> > > elevator and the person inside experience the same acceleration due
> > > to gravity. This acceleration, typically denoted by "g" and
> > > approximately equal to 9.8 m/s² near the surface of the Earth, does
> > > not cause any noticeable sensation of acceleration for the person
> > > inside the elevator since they are in a state of free fall.
> > >
> > > The equivalence principle plays a vital role in the theory of general
> > > relativity by establishing a connection between gravity and
> > > acceleration. It consists of two main aspects: the Weak Equivalence
> > > Principle and the Strong Equivalence Principle. The Weak Equivalence
> > > Principle states that in a small region of spacetime, the motion of a
> > > freely falling object is independent of its mass and composition.
> > >
> > > This principle implies that all objects, regardless of their mass or
> > > composition, fall with the same acceleration in a gravitational
> > > field. It aligns with Galileo's observation that objects of different
> > > masses, when released simultaneously, would fall to the ground at the
> > > same rate in the absence of air resistance. The Strong Equivalence
> > > Principle extends the Weak Equivalence Principle further.
> > >
> > > It states that the effects of gravity are locally equivalent to the
> > > effects of being in an accelerated reference frame. Consequently, in
> > > a small region of spacetime, the laws of physics, including the
> > > effects of gravity, are the same for an observer in a freely falling
> > > reference frame as they would be for an observer in an inertial
> > > reference frame in the absence of gravity.
> > >
> > > The Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that gravity is not merely
> > > a force acting on objects but rather a curvature of spacetime caused
> > > by the presence of mass and energy. According to the theory of
> > > general relativity, massive objects like stars and planets cause
> > > spacetime to curve around them, and other objects move along curved
> > > paths in response to this curvature.
> > >
> > > Therefore, the equivalence principle implies that the experience of
> > > gravity can be understood as the effect of being in an accelerated
> > > reference frame in curved spacetime. It provides profound insights
> > > into the nature of gravity and forms the foundation of Einstein's
> > > general theory of relativity, which describes gravity as the
> > > curvature of spacetime caused by matter and energy.
> > >
> > > Particularly, the Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that being in
> > > an accelerated reference frame is equivalent to being in a
> > > gravitational field. Now, let's explore the behavior of gyroscopes. A
> > > gyroscope, a spinning object with angular momentum, exhibits a
> > > property known as gyroscopic stability, enabling it to maintain its
> > > orientation in space even when subjected to external forces.
> > >
> > > When a gyroscope spins rapidly, it possesses significant angular
> > > momentum, which influences its behavior when subjected to
> > > gravitational forces. When a gyroscope is dropped vertically, gravity
> > > exerts a torque on it due to its asymmetrical shape and the force
> > > acting on its center of mass. However, the gyroscope's angular
> > > momentum resists this torque, causing it to precess.
> > >
> > > Precession refers to the change in the direction of the gyroscope's
> > > axis of rotation instead of falling straight down. As a result, the
> > > gyroscope appears to fall more slowly compared to an object without
> > > angular momentum, such as a rock falling in a linear downward
> > > trajectory. The high spin rate of the gyroscope increases its angular
> > > momentum, enhancing its gyroscopic stability.
> > >
> > > This stability counteracts the gravitational torque to a greater
> > > extent, leading to a slower apparent fall. The discovery that falling
> > > gyroscopes can fall slower than other objects is attributed to a
> > > physicist named Thomas Precession Searle. In the early 20th century,
> > > Searle conducted experiments involving rapidly spinning gyroscopes
> > > and observed their behavior when dropped from a height. He noted that
> > > the gyroscopes appeared to fall more slowly than expected, exhibiting
> > > a precession or circular/helical motion during their descent.
> > >
> > > When the effects of gyroscopic stability and time dilation combine,
> > > the effect of the gyroscope's gyroscopic stability and time dilation
> > > can lead to an even slower apparent fall compared to both
> > > non-rotating objects and objects not subjected to time dilation. One
> > > experiment I have done with gyroscopes is to take a heavy wheel on a
> > > long axle. While the wheel is spinning, the axle is rotated in a
> > > circle. This will cause the wheel to lift up in the air pointing
> > > vertically away from the earth, which in itself is amazing.
> > >
> > > If the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the heavy
> > > wheel will point firmly to the ground and be too heavy to lift. The
> > > effect happens in reverse in earths southern hemisphere (like water
> > > going down a drain). And if you preform the experiment in a free
> > > fall, the wheel on the axle will stay level & won't point up or down
> > > at all.
> > >
> > > To understand why this occurs I tried asking chat gpt. It broke it
> > > down like this:
> > >
> > > Angular Momentum: When the heavy wheel on the long axle spins
> > > rapidly, it possesses a significant amount of angular momentum.
> > > Angular momentum is a property of rotating objects and depends on
> > > both the mass and distribution of mass around the axis of rotation.
> > > The fast spinning of the wheel creates this angular momentum.
> > > Torque: When the axle is rotated in a circular motion, it applies a
> > > torque to the spinning wheel. Torque is a twisting force that tends
> > > to cause a change in rotational motion. In this case, the torque is
> > > applied perpendicular to the axis of rotation of the wheel.
> > >
> > > Gyroscopic Stability: Due to its angular momentum, the spinning wheel
> > > exhibits gyroscopic stability. Gyroscopic stability is the property
> > > of a spinning object to resist any external torque that tries to
> > > change its orientation. This resistance to torque is what allows the
> > > gyroscope to maintain its stability and direction of rotation.
> > >
> > > Gyroscopic Precession: When the axle is rotated, the torque applied
> > > causes the spinning wheel to precess. Precession is the phenomenon
> > > where the axis of rotation of a spinning object changes direction in
> > > response to an applied torque. In this case, the applied torque
> > > causes the gyroscope's axis to change its direction of pointing. The
> > > direction of precession is determined by the interaction between the
> > > applied torque and the existing angular momentum.
> > >
> > > The precession follows a right-hand rule: if you imagine the
> > > direction of the applied torque vector, the resulting precession will
> > > be in the direction perpendicular to both the torque vector and the
> > > angular momentum vector. When the wheel is spinning in one direction
> > > and the axle is rotated in a particular direction, the torque and
> > > angular momentum vectors align in a way that causes the gyroscope to
> > > lift up, pointing vertically away from the Earth.
> > >
> > > When the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the
> > > torque and angular momentum vectors align differently, resulting in
> > > the gyroscope pointing downward, towards the ground.
> > >
> > > The reversal of this effect in the Earth's southern hemisphere is not
> > > related to the gyroscope itself but rather to the Coriolis effect.
> > > The Coriolis effect arises due to the Earth's rotation and can affect
> > > the behavior of rotating objects.
> > >
> > > The Coriolis effect causes the direction of rotation to appear
> > > reversed when observed from different hemispheres. This effect
> > > influences phenomena such as the rotation of weather patterns and
> > > ocean currents.
> > >
> > > In a free fall or microgravity environment, such as during space
> > > travel or inside a freely falling elevator, the gyroscope would not
> > > experience the same gravitational torque as on Earth's surface. As a
> > > result, it would not exhibit the lifting or pointing behavior you
> > > described, and the gyroscope would stay level without pointing up or
> > > down.
> > >
> > > You can watch the experiment online here:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeyDf4ooPdo
> > Sorry, if you're using unquoted "ChatGPT" output it's figured you don't really
> > know or have command of the content.
> >
> > It's considered a matter of scientific and literary integrity that sources are
> > not _copied_ only _referenced_ and that it's _annotated and clear_ any
> > such _liftings of copy_, it's called _bibliographic reference_.
> >
> > This is to protect you and the sources both, you from their mistakes and
> > them from your plagiarism, then also to protect your readers from your
> > plagiarism and that they don't unknowingly accept stolen goods.
> >
> > (Figuring that they'd protect themselves from knowingly accepting
> > stolen goods.)
> >
> > So, by know the MLA or Chicago style or somebody should have a standard way to
> > quote "ChatGPT", it's called not being a plagiarist or misrepresentation.
> >
> > https://style.mla.org/citing-generative-ai/
> >
> > Then, you'd probably also want the "ChatGPT" to quote and cite _its_ sources,
> > but, it's a sort of delinquent that plagiarizes and misrepresents.
> >
> > So, you should probably include the entire contents of your "ChatGPT" session
> > as a sort of appendix, so that reviewers can diff it.
> >
> > Otherwise it'd be said if somebody asked you what you meant and you went "I dunno, ...".
> > It'd really run the risk of making you look like an idiot and having misrepresented what
> > are the works of others, and ruin your reputation.
> >
> > Some people really believe in "fake it 'til you make it", they're called frauds.
> >
> >
> > So, you can write a _citation_ for "ChatGPT" output, but it's not really considered
> > a "bibliographic reference", because, it doesn't provide them.
> Yes it is ChatGPT, and ChatGPT doesn't cite sources.


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On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 12:17:22 AM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:00:43 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:56:30 PM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:46:27 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> > > > This paper explores the intriguing interplay between high speeds,
> > > > time dilation, and the perceived motion of objects. We investigate a
> > > > scenario where two cars race side by side, with one car (Car A)
> > > > moving at a velocity close to the speed of light, while the other car
> > > > (Car B) maintains a relatively lower speed.
> > > >
> > > > Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> > > > outcome of the race and delves into the effects of extreme time
> > > > dilation on the speed at which objects fall. By considering these
> > > > phenomena, we aim to deepen our understanding of relativity and its
> > > > implications for the perception of motion.
> > > >
> > > > In this study, we aim to shed light on the influence of time dilation
> > > > on the perceived motion and outcomes of a high-speed race between two
> > > > cars. We examine the scenario where Car A moves at a velocity close
> > > > to the speed of light, while Car B maintains a relatively lower
> > > > speed. As stationary observers, we eagerly observe the race,
> > > > intrigued by the unfolding physics.
> > > >
> > > > Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> > > > motion and outcomes of such a race. Additionally, we investigate the
> > > > impact of extreme time dilation on the speed at which objects fall.
> > > > By exploring these scenarios, we seek to gain a deeper understanding
> > > > of the fundamental nature of time dilation and its implications for
> > > > various physical phenomena.
> > > >
> > > > The velocity of Car A leads to significant time dilation effects. Due
> > > > to this high velocity, the internal clock of Car A appears to tick
> > > > slower relative to the stationary observer, while Car B, moving at a
> > > > relatively lower velocity, does not undergo substantial time
> > > > dilation. The observed time difference between the two cars becomes a
> > > > crucial factor in determining the race's outcome.
> > > >
> > > > To the stationary observer, Car A, experiencing time dilation,
> > > > appears to be moving slower compared to Car B. This discrepancy
> > > > arises because the observer's clock ticks at a regular rate, while
> > > > the clock in Car A is dilated. Consequently, Car B, which is not
> > > > affected by time dilation, seems to be progressing faster in the
> > > > race. We can quantify the time dilation effect using the Lorentz
> > > > factor, which relates the time observed by the stationary observer to
> > > > the time experienced by the moving object.
> > > >
> > > > As the velocity of Car A approaches the speed of light, the Lorentz
> > > > factor becomes increasingly significant, causing time dilation to be
> > > > more pronounced. This amplifies the perceived speed difference
> > > > between the two cars. Therefore, despite Car A potentially covering
> > > > the same physical distance as Car B, the time dilation effect causes
> > > > Car A to lag behind in the observer's frame of reference, resulting
> > > > in Car B being declared the winner of the race.
> > > >
> > > > Furthermore, we explore the effects of extreme time dilation on the
> > > > perceived speed at which objects fall. The specific behavior depends
> > > > on the circumstances of the time dilation and the reference frame
> > > > from which it is observed. In the context of objects falling, if
> > > > extreme time dilation arises from high velocities relative to an
> > > > observer, the falling objects may appear to descend at a slower rate.
> > > > According to the principles of special relativity, as an object
> > > > approaches the speed of light, its internal processes, including the
> > > > ticking of its clock, slow down relative to a stationary observer.
> > > >
> > > > This time dilation effect causes the object's perceived motion to be
> > > > slower relative to the observer. However, from the perspective of the
> > > > time-dilated object itself, it experiences time at a normal rate, and
> > > > its fall would appear to occur at the expected speed. Nevertheless,
> > > > to an observer external to the time dilation region, the falling
> > > > object would appear to move slower than expected due to the time
> > > > dilation.
> > > >
> > > > By examining the impact of time dilation on high-speed racing and the
> > > > perceived motion of falling objects, we contribute to our
> > > > understanding of relativity and its implications for various physical
> > > > phenomena. Further research can delve into the implications of time
> > > > dilation in different contexts, leading to novel discoveries and
> > > > deepening our comprehension of the universe.
> > > >
> > > > Additionally, it is worth mentioning that in the theory of general
> > > > relativity, objects in free fall are considered weightless due to the
> > > > equivalence principle. The equivalence principle states that the
> > > > effects of gravity are indistinguishable from the effects of
> > > > acceleration. Consequently, when an object is in free fall, it
> > > > experiences no weight due to the balance between the gravitational
> > > > force and its inertia.
> > > >
> > > > This principle provides a fundamental understanding of the behavior
> > > > of objects in free fall and their weightlessness. When considering a
> > > > scenario where an elevator is in free fall, the experience of a
> > > > person inside the elevator and an observer on the ground differ
> > > > significantly. From the perspective of a person inside the
> > > > free-falling elevator, several notable phenomena come into play.
> > > >
> > > > The first is weightlessness, where the person experiences a sensation
> > > > of weightlessness as the elevator undergoes free fall. This occurs
> > > > because both the person and the elevator are subject to the same
> > > > acceleration due to gravity. Without any support force acting on the
> > > > person, they feel as though gravity is absent, resulting in a
> > > > sensation of weightlessness. Inside the elevator, all objects and
> > > > bodies are observed to be weightless. Objects float and can be easily
> > > > moved around with minimal force.
> > > >
> > > > Although the laws of Newtonian mechanics still apply, the effective
> > > > force of gravity is masked by the acceleration of free fall, creating
> > > > the illusion of weightlessness. Furthermore, in free fall, both the
> > > > elevator and the person inside experience the same acceleration due
> > > > to gravity. This acceleration, typically denoted by "g" and
> > > > approximately equal to 9.8 m/s² near the surface of the Earth, does
> > > > not cause any noticeable sensation of acceleration for the person
> > > > inside the elevator since they are in a state of free fall.
> > > >
> > > > The equivalence principle plays a vital role in the theory of general
> > > > relativity by establishing a connection between gravity and
> > > > acceleration. It consists of two main aspects: the Weak Equivalence
> > > > Principle and the Strong Equivalence Principle. The Weak Equivalence
> > > > Principle states that in a small region of spacetime, the motion of a
> > > > freely falling object is independent of its mass and composition.
> > > >
> > > > This principle implies that all objects, regardless of their mass or
> > > > composition, fall with the same acceleration in a gravitational
> > > > field. It aligns with Galileo's observation that objects of different
> > > > masses, when released simultaneously, would fall to the ground at the
> > > > same rate in the absence of air resistance. The Strong Equivalence
> > > > Principle extends the Weak Equivalence Principle further.
> > > >
> > > > It states that the effects of gravity are locally equivalent to the
> > > > effects of being in an accelerated reference frame. Consequently, in
> > > > a small region of spacetime, the laws of physics, including the
> > > > effects of gravity, are the same for an observer in a freely falling
> > > > reference frame as they would be for an observer in an inertial
> > > > reference frame in the absence of gravity.
> > > >
> > > > The Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that gravity is not merely
> > > > a force acting on objects but rather a curvature of spacetime caused
> > > > by the presence of mass and energy. According to the theory of
> > > > general relativity, massive objects like stars and planets cause
> > > > spacetime to curve around them, and other objects move along curved
> > > > paths in response to this curvature.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, the equivalence principle implies that the experience of
> > > > gravity can be understood as the effect of being in an accelerated
> > > > reference frame in curved spacetime. It provides profound insights
> > > > into the nature of gravity and forms the foundation of Einstein's
> > > > general theory of relativity, which describes gravity as the
> > > > curvature of spacetime caused by matter and energy.
> > > >
> > > > Particularly, the Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that being in
> > > > an accelerated reference frame is equivalent to being in a
> > > > gravitational field. Now, let's explore the behavior of gyroscopes. A
> > > > gyroscope, a spinning object with angular momentum, exhibits a
> > > > property known as gyroscopic stability, enabling it to maintain its
> > > > orientation in space even when subjected to external forces.
> > > >
> > > > When a gyroscope spins rapidly, it possesses significant angular
> > > > momentum, which influences its behavior when subjected to
> > > > gravitational forces. When a gyroscope is dropped vertically, gravity
> > > > exerts a torque on it due to its asymmetrical shape and the force
> > > > acting on its center of mass. However, the gyroscope's angular
> > > > momentum resists this torque, causing it to precess.
> > > >
> > > > Precession refers to the change in the direction of the gyroscope's
> > > > axis of rotation instead of falling straight down. As a result, the
> > > > gyroscope appears to fall more slowly compared to an object without
> > > > angular momentum, such as a rock falling in a linear downward
> > > > trajectory. The high spin rate of the gyroscope increases its angular
> > > > momentum, enhancing its gyroscopic stability.
> > > >
> > > > This stability counteracts the gravitational torque to a greater
> > > > extent, leading to a slower apparent fall. The discovery that falling
> > > > gyroscopes can fall slower than other objects is attributed to a
> > > > physicist named Thomas Precession Searle. In the early 20th century,
> > > > Searle conducted experiments involving rapidly spinning gyroscopes
> > > > and observed their behavior when dropped from a height. He noted that
> > > > the gyroscopes appeared to fall more slowly than expected, exhibiting
> > > > a precession or circular/helical motion during their descent.
> > > >
> > > > When the effects of gyroscopic stability and time dilation combine,
> > > > the effect of the gyroscope's gyroscopic stability and time dilation
> > > > can lead to an even slower apparent fall compared to both
> > > > non-rotating objects and objects not subjected to time dilation. One
> > > > experiment I have done with gyroscopes is to take a heavy wheel on a
> > > > long axle. While the wheel is spinning, the axle is rotated in a
> > > > circle. This will cause the wheel to lift up in the air pointing
> > > > vertically away from the earth, which in itself is amazing.
> > > >
> > > > If the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the heavy
> > > > wheel will point firmly to the ground and be too heavy to lift. The
> > > > effect happens in reverse in earths southern hemisphere (like water
> > > > going down a drain). And if you preform the experiment in a free
> > > > fall, the wheel on the axle will stay level & won't point up or down
> > > > at all.
> > > >
> > > > To understand why this occurs I tried asking chat gpt. It broke it
> > > > down like this:
> > > >
> > > > Angular Momentum: When the heavy wheel on the long axle spins
> > > > rapidly, it possesses a significant amount of angular momentum.
> > > > Angular momentum is a property of rotating objects and depends on
> > > > both the mass and distribution of mass around the axis of rotation.
> > > > The fast spinning of the wheel creates this angular momentum.
> > > > Torque: When the axle is rotated in a circular motion, it applies a
> > > > torque to the spinning wheel. Torque is a twisting force that tends
> > > > to cause a change in rotational motion. In this case, the torque is
> > > > applied perpendicular to the axis of rotation of the wheel.
> > > >
> > > > Gyroscopic Stability: Due to its angular momentum, the spinning wheel
> > > > exhibits gyroscopic stability. Gyroscopic stability is the property
> > > > of a spinning object to resist any external torque that tries to
> > > > change its orientation. This resistance to torque is what allows the
> > > > gyroscope to maintain its stability and direction of rotation.
> > > >
> > > > Gyroscopic Precession: When the axle is rotated, the torque applied
> > > > causes the spinning wheel to precess. Precession is the phenomenon
> > > > where the axis of rotation of a spinning object changes direction in
> > > > response to an applied torque. In this case, the applied torque
> > > > causes the gyroscope's axis to change its direction of pointing. The
> > > > direction of precession is determined by the interaction between the
> > > > applied torque and the existing angular momentum.
> > > >
> > > > The precession follows a right-hand rule: if you imagine the
> > > > direction of the applied torque vector, the resulting precession will
> > > > be in the direction perpendicular to both the torque vector and the
> > > > angular momentum vector. When the wheel is spinning in one direction
> > > > and the axle is rotated in a particular direction, the torque and
> > > > angular momentum vectors align in a way that causes the gyroscope to
> > > > lift up, pointing vertically away from the Earth.
> > > >
> > > > When the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the
> > > > torque and angular momentum vectors align differently, resulting in
> > > > the gyroscope pointing downward, towards the ground.
> > > >
> > > > The reversal of this effect in the Earth's southern hemisphere is not
> > > > related to the gyroscope itself but rather to the Coriolis effect.
> > > > The Coriolis effect arises due to the Earth's rotation and can affect
> > > > the behavior of rotating objects.
> > > >
> > > > The Coriolis effect causes the direction of rotation to appear
> > > > reversed when observed from different hemispheres. This effect
> > > > influences phenomena such as the rotation of weather patterns and
> > > > ocean currents.
> > > >
> > > > In a free fall or microgravity environment, such as during space
> > > > travel or inside a freely falling elevator, the gyroscope would not
> > > > experience the same gravitational torque as on Earth's surface. As a
> > > > result, it would not exhibit the lifting or pointing behavior you
> > > > described, and the gyroscope would stay level without pointing up or
> > > > down.
> > > >
> > > > You can watch the experiment online here:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeyDf4ooPdo
> > > Sorry, if you're using unquoted "ChatGPT" output it's figured you don't really
> > > know or have command of the content.
> > >
> > > It's considered a matter of scientific and literary integrity that sources are
> > > not _copied_ only _referenced_ and that it's _annotated and clear_ any
> > > such _liftings of copy_, it's called _bibliographic reference_.
> > >
> > > This is to protect you and the sources both, you from their mistakes and
> > > them from your plagiarism, then also to protect your readers from your
> > > plagiarism and that they don't unknowingly accept stolen goods.
> > >
> > > (Figuring that they'd protect themselves from knowingly accepting
> > > stolen goods.)
> > >
> > > So, by know the MLA or Chicago style or somebody should have a standard way to
> > > quote "ChatGPT", it's called not being a plagiarist or misrepresentation.
> > >
> > > https://style.mla.org/citing-generative-ai/
> > >
> > > Then, you'd probably also want the "ChatGPT" to quote and cite _its_ sources,
> > > but, it's a sort of delinquent that plagiarizes and misrepresents.
> > >
> > > So, you should probably include the entire contents of your "ChatGPT" session
> > > as a sort of appendix, so that reviewers can diff it.
> > >
> > > Otherwise it'd be said if somebody asked you what you meant and you went "I dunno, ...".
> > > It'd really run the risk of making you look like an idiot and having misrepresented what
> > > are the works of others, and ruin your reputation.
> > >
> > > Some people really believe in "fake it 'til you make it", they're called frauds.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, you can write a _citation_ for "ChatGPT" output, but it's not really considered
> > > a "bibliographic reference", because, it doesn't provide them.
> > Yes it is ChatGPT, and ChatGPT doesn't cite sources.
> Oh, ask it to make you a better one that does.


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 by: Ross Finlayson - Mon, 29 May 2023 16:16 UTC

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 12:17:22 AM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:00:43 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:56:30 PM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:46:27 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> > > > > This paper explores the intriguing interplay between high speeds,
> > > > > time dilation, and the perceived motion of objects. We investigate a
> > > > > scenario where two cars race side by side, with one car (Car A)
> > > > > moving at a velocity close to the speed of light, while the other car
> > > > > (Car B) maintains a relatively lower speed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> > > > > outcome of the race and delves into the effects of extreme time
> > > > > dilation on the speed at which objects fall. By considering these
> > > > > phenomena, we aim to deepen our understanding of relativity and its
> > > > > implications for the perception of motion.
> > > > >
> > > > > In this study, we aim to shed light on the influence of time dilation
> > > > > on the perceived motion and outcomes of a high-speed race between two
> > > > > cars. We examine the scenario where Car A moves at a velocity close
> > > > > to the speed of light, while Car B maintains a relatively lower
> > > > > speed. As stationary observers, we eagerly observe the race,
> > > > > intrigued by the unfolding physics.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our analysis focuses on how time dilation affects the perceived
> > > > > motion and outcomes of such a race. Additionally, we investigate the
> > > > > impact of extreme time dilation on the speed at which objects fall.
> > > > > By exploring these scenarios, we seek to gain a deeper understanding
> > > > > of the fundamental nature of time dilation and its implications for
> > > > > various physical phenomena.
> > > > >
> > > > > The velocity of Car A leads to significant time dilation effects. Due
> > > > > to this high velocity, the internal clock of Car A appears to tick
> > > > > slower relative to the stationary observer, while Car B, moving at a
> > > > > relatively lower velocity, does not undergo substantial time
> > > > > dilation. The observed time difference between the two cars becomes a
> > > > > crucial factor in determining the race's outcome.
> > > > >
> > > > > To the stationary observer, Car A, experiencing time dilation,
> > > > > appears to be moving slower compared to Car B. This discrepancy
> > > > > arises because the observer's clock ticks at a regular rate, while
> > > > > the clock in Car A is dilated. Consequently, Car B, which is not
> > > > > affected by time dilation, seems to be progressing faster in the
> > > > > race. We can quantify the time dilation effect using the Lorentz
> > > > > factor, which relates the time observed by the stationary observer to
> > > > > the time experienced by the moving object.
> > > > >
> > > > > As the velocity of Car A approaches the speed of light, the Lorentz
> > > > > factor becomes increasingly significant, causing time dilation to be
> > > > > more pronounced. This amplifies the perceived speed difference
> > > > > between the two cars. Therefore, despite Car A potentially covering
> > > > > the same physical distance as Car B, the time dilation effect causes
> > > > > Car A to lag behind in the observer's frame of reference, resulting
> > > > > in Car B being declared the winner of the race.
> > > > >
> > > > > Furthermore, we explore the effects of extreme time dilation on the
> > > > > perceived speed at which objects fall. The specific behavior depends
> > > > > on the circumstances of the time dilation and the reference frame
> > > > > from which it is observed. In the context of objects falling, if
> > > > > extreme time dilation arises from high velocities relative to an
> > > > > observer, the falling objects may appear to descend at a slower rate.
> > > > > According to the principles of special relativity, as an object
> > > > > approaches the speed of light, its internal processes, including the
> > > > > ticking of its clock, slow down relative to a stationary observer..
> > > > >
> > > > > This time dilation effect causes the object's perceived motion to be
> > > > > slower relative to the observer. However, from the perspective of the
> > > > > time-dilated object itself, it experiences time at a normal rate, and
> > > > > its fall would appear to occur at the expected speed. Nevertheless,
> > > > > to an observer external to the time dilation region, the falling
> > > > > object would appear to move slower than expected due to the time
> > > > > dilation.
> > > > >
> > > > > By examining the impact of time dilation on high-speed racing and the
> > > > > perceived motion of falling objects, we contribute to our
> > > > > understanding of relativity and its implications for various physical
> > > > > phenomena. Further research can delve into the implications of time
> > > > > dilation in different contexts, leading to novel discoveries and
> > > > > deepening our comprehension of the universe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Additionally, it is worth mentioning that in the theory of general
> > > > > relativity, objects in free fall are considered weightless due to the
> > > > > equivalence principle. The equivalence principle states that the
> > > > > effects of gravity are indistinguishable from the effects of
> > > > > acceleration. Consequently, when an object is in free fall, it
> > > > > experiences no weight due to the balance between the gravitational
> > > > > force and its inertia.
> > > > >
> > > > > This principle provides a fundamental understanding of the behavior
> > > > > of objects in free fall and their weightlessness. When considering a
> > > > > scenario where an elevator is in free fall, the experience of a
> > > > > person inside the elevator and an observer on the ground differ
> > > > > significantly. From the perspective of a person inside the
> > > > > free-falling elevator, several notable phenomena come into play.
> > > > >
> > > > > The first is weightlessness, where the person experiences a sensation
> > > > > of weightlessness as the elevator undergoes free fall. This occurs
> > > > > because both the person and the elevator are subject to the same
> > > > > acceleration due to gravity. Without any support force acting on the
> > > > > person, they feel as though gravity is absent, resulting in a
> > > > > sensation of weightlessness. Inside the elevator, all objects and
> > > > > bodies are observed to be weightless. Objects float and can be easily
> > > > > moved around with minimal force.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although the laws of Newtonian mechanics still apply, the effective
> > > > > force of gravity is masked by the acceleration of free fall, creating
> > > > > the illusion of weightlessness. Furthermore, in free fall, both the
> > > > > elevator and the person inside experience the same acceleration due
> > > > > to gravity. This acceleration, typically denoted by "g" and
> > > > > approximately equal to 9.8 m/s² near the surface of the Earth, does
> > > > > not cause any noticeable sensation of acceleration for the person
> > > > > inside the elevator since they are in a state of free fall.
> > > > >
> > > > > The equivalence principle plays a vital role in the theory of general
> > > > > relativity by establishing a connection between gravity and
> > > > > acceleration. It consists of two main aspects: the Weak Equivalence
> > > > > Principle and the Strong Equivalence Principle. The Weak Equivalence
> > > > > Principle states that in a small region of spacetime, the motion of a
> > > > > freely falling object is independent of its mass and composition.
> > > > >
> > > > > This principle implies that all objects, regardless of their mass or
> > > > > composition, fall with the same acceleration in a gravitational
> > > > > field. It aligns with Galileo's observation that objects of different
> > > > > masses, when released simultaneously, would fall to the ground at the
> > > > > same rate in the absence of air resistance. The Strong Equivalence
> > > > > Principle extends the Weak Equivalence Principle further.
> > > > >
> > > > > It states that the effects of gravity are locally equivalent to the
> > > > > effects of being in an accelerated reference frame. Consequently, in
> > > > > a small region of spacetime, the laws of physics, including the
> > > > > effects of gravity, are the same for an observer in a freely falling
> > > > > reference frame as they would be for an observer in an inertial
> > > > > reference frame in the absence of gravity.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that gravity is not merely
> > > > > a force acting on objects but rather a curvature of spacetime caused
> > > > > by the presence of mass and energy. According to the theory of
> > > > > general relativity, massive objects like stars and planets cause
> > > > > spacetime to curve around them, and other objects move along curved
> > > > > paths in response to this curvature.
> > > > >
> > > > > Therefore, the equivalence principle implies that the experience of
> > > > > gravity can be understood as the effect of being in an accelerated
> > > > > reference frame in curved spacetime. It provides profound insights
> > > > > into the nature of gravity and forms the foundation of Einstein's
> > > > > general theory of relativity, which describes gravity as the
> > > > > curvature of spacetime caused by matter and energy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Particularly, the Strong Equivalence Principle suggests that being in
> > > > > an accelerated reference frame is equivalent to being in a
> > > > > gravitational field. Now, let's explore the behavior of gyroscopes. A
> > > > > gyroscope, a spinning object with angular momentum, exhibits a
> > > > > property known as gyroscopic stability, enabling it to maintain its
> > > > > orientation in space even when subjected to external forces.
> > > > >
> > > > > When a gyroscope spins rapidly, it possesses significant angular
> > > > > momentum, which influences its behavior when subjected to
> > > > > gravitational forces. When a gyroscope is dropped vertically, gravity
> > > > > exerts a torque on it due to its asymmetrical shape and the force
> > > > > acting on its center of mass. However, the gyroscope's angular
> > > > > momentum resists this torque, causing it to precess.
> > > > >
> > > > > Precession refers to the change in the direction of the gyroscope's
> > > > > axis of rotation instead of falling straight down. As a result, the
> > > > > gyroscope appears to fall more slowly compared to an object without
> > > > > angular momentum, such as a rock falling in a linear downward
> > > > > trajectory. The high spin rate of the gyroscope increases its angular
> > > > > momentum, enhancing its gyroscopic stability.
> > > > >
> > > > > This stability counteracts the gravitational torque to a greater
> > > > > extent, leading to a slower apparent fall. The discovery that falling
> > > > > gyroscopes can fall slower than other objects is attributed to a
> > > > > physicist named Thomas Precession Searle. In the early 20th century,
> > > > > Searle conducted experiments involving rapidly spinning gyroscopes
> > > > > and observed their behavior when dropped from a height. He noted that
> > > > > the gyroscopes appeared to fall more slowly than expected, exhibiting
> > > > > a precession or circular/helical motion during their descent.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the effects of gyroscopic stability and time dilation combine,
> > > > > the effect of the gyroscope's gyroscopic stability and time dilation
> > > > > can lead to an even slower apparent fall compared to both
> > > > > non-rotating objects and objects not subjected to time dilation. One
> > > > > experiment I have done with gyroscopes is to take a heavy wheel on a
> > > > > long axle. While the wheel is spinning, the axle is rotated in a
> > > > > circle. This will cause the wheel to lift up in the air pointing
> > > > > vertically away from the earth, which in itself is amazing.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the heavy
> > > > > wheel will point firmly to the ground and be too heavy to lift. The
> > > > > effect happens in reverse in earths southern hemisphere (like water
> > > > > going down a drain). And if you preform the experiment in a free
> > > > > fall, the wheel on the axle will stay level & won't point up or down
> > > > > at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > To understand why this occurs I tried asking chat gpt. It broke it
> > > > > down like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > Angular Momentum: When the heavy wheel on the long axle spins
> > > > > rapidly, it possesses a significant amount of angular momentum.
> > > > > Angular momentum is a property of rotating objects and depends on
> > > > > both the mass and distribution of mass around the axis of rotation.
> > > > > The fast spinning of the wheel creates this angular momentum.
> > > > > Torque: When the axle is rotated in a circular motion, it applies a
> > > > > torque to the spinning wheel. Torque is a twisting force that tends
> > > > > to cause a change in rotational motion. In this case, the torque is
> > > > > applied perpendicular to the axis of rotation of the wheel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gyroscopic Stability: Due to its angular momentum, the spinning wheel
> > > > > exhibits gyroscopic stability. Gyroscopic stability is the property
> > > > > of a spinning object to resist any external torque that tries to
> > > > > change its orientation. This resistance to torque is what allows the
> > > > > gyroscope to maintain its stability and direction of rotation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gyroscopic Precession: When the axle is rotated, the torque applied
> > > > > causes the spinning wheel to precess. Precession is the phenomenon
> > > > > where the axis of rotation of a spinning object changes direction in
> > > > > response to an applied torque. In this case, the applied torque
> > > > > causes the gyroscope's axis to change its direction of pointing. The
> > > > > direction of precession is determined by the interaction between the
> > > > > applied torque and the existing angular momentum.
> > > > >
> > > > > The precession follows a right-hand rule: if you imagine the
> > > > > direction of the applied torque vector, the resulting precession will
> > > > > be in the direction perpendicular to both the torque vector and the
> > > > > angular momentum vector. When the wheel is spinning in one direction
> > > > > and the axle is rotated in a particular direction, the torque and
> > > > > angular momentum vectors align in a way that causes the gyroscope to
> > > > > lift up, pointing vertically away from the Earth.
> > > > >
> > > > > When the wheel or the axle rotates in the opposite direction, the
> > > > > torque and angular momentum vectors align differently, resulting in
> > > > > the gyroscope pointing downward, towards the ground.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reversal of this effect in the Earth's southern hemisphere is not
> > > > > related to the gyroscope itself but rather to the Coriolis effect..
> > > > > The Coriolis effect arises due to the Earth's rotation and can affect
> > > > > the behavior of rotating objects.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Coriolis effect causes the direction of rotation to appear
> > > > > reversed when observed from different hemispheres. This effect
> > > > > influences phenomena such as the rotation of weather patterns and
> > > > > ocean currents.
> > > > >
> > > > > In a free fall or microgravity environment, such as during space
> > > > > travel or inside a freely falling elevator, the gyroscope would not
> > > > > experience the same gravitational torque as on Earth's surface. As a
> > > > > result, it would not exhibit the lifting or pointing behavior you
> > > > > described, and the gyroscope would stay level without pointing up or
> > > > > down.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can watch the experiment online here:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeyDf4ooPdo
> > > > Sorry, if you're using unquoted "ChatGPT" output it's figured you don't really
> > > > know or have command of the content.
> > > >
> > > > It's considered a matter of scientific and literary integrity that sources are
> > > > not _copied_ only _referenced_ and that it's _annotated and clear_ any
> > > > such _liftings of copy_, it's called _bibliographic reference_.
> > > >
> > > > This is to protect you and the sources both, you from their mistakes and
> > > > them from your plagiarism, then also to protect your readers from your
> > > > plagiarism and that they don't unknowingly accept stolen goods.
> > > >
> > > > (Figuring that they'd protect themselves from knowingly accepting
> > > > stolen goods.)
> > > >
> > > > So, by know the MLA or Chicago style or somebody should have a standard way to
> > > > quote "ChatGPT", it's called not being a plagiarist or misrepresentation.
> > > >
> > > > https://style.mla.org/citing-generative-ai/
> > > >
> > > > Then, you'd probably also want the "ChatGPT" to quote and cite _its_ sources,
> > > > but, it's a sort of delinquent that plagiarizes and misrepresents.
> > > >
> > > > So, you should probably include the entire contents of your "ChatGPT" session
> > > > as a sort of appendix, so that reviewers can diff it.
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise it'd be said if somebody asked you what you meant and you went "I dunno, ...".
> > > > It'd really run the risk of making you look like an idiot and having misrepresented what
> > > > are the works of others, and ruin your reputation.
> > > >
> > > > Some people really believe in "fake it 'til you make it", they're called frauds.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, you can write a _citation_ for "ChatGPT" output, but it's not really considered
> > > > a "bibliographic reference", because, it doesn't provide them.
> > > Yes it is ChatGPT, and ChatGPT doesn't cite sources.
> > Oh, ask it to make you a better one that does.
> Good idea!


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On 5/28/2023 9:17 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:00:43 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:56:30 PM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:46:27 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
[...]
>>> Some people really believe in "fake it 'til you make it", they're called frauds.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, you can write a _citation_ for "ChatGPT" output, but it's not really considered
>>> a "bibliographic reference", because, it doesn't provide them.
>> Yes it is ChatGPT, and ChatGPT doesn't cite sources.
>
> Oh, ask it to make you a better one that does.
>

LOL! No shit. There has to be a lot of frauds who are using the god damn
AI now.

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 by: Ross Finlayson - Tue, 30 May 2023 05:27 UTC

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 1:58:31 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 5/28/2023 9:17 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 9:00:43 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> >> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 10:56:30 PM UTC-4, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:46:27 PM UTC-7, Corey White wrote:
> [...]
> >>> Some people really believe in "fake it 'til you make it", they're called frauds.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So, you can write a _citation_ for "ChatGPT" output, but it's not really considered
> >>> a "bibliographic reference", because, it doesn't provide them.
> >> Yes it is ChatGPT, and ChatGPT doesn't cite sources.
> >
> > Oh, ask it to make you a better one that does.
> >
> LOL! No shit. There has to be a lot of frauds who are using the god damn
> AI now.

It's hard to estimate how much is courtesy mechanical inference imitating people.

Since Dragon Dictate "solved speech recognition" in 1995 and Word and Wordperfect
"solved grammar" in 1990 and since "online psychiatrists" have been around since
the '60's and "human-level AI" is around since the '80's, it doesn't have to be that
hard, and, should be much less mysterious.

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server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.8
clearnet tor