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by: Laurence Clark Cross - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 16:49 UTC

The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.

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by: Laurence Clark Cross - Thu, 22 Jun 2023 18:38 UTC

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
If anything lacked the shared velocity of the source, its speed would be calculable by the negative version of the additive velocity formula: sqrt/C^2 - V^2. The Lorentz Factor is different from this.

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by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Fri, 23 Jun 2023 16:50 UTC

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.

Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
as it falls...

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by: Laurence Clark Cross - Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:35 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> as it falls...
They only seem to be because of the mathematical transformation. The same thing happens with light according to relativity.

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by: Laurence Clark Cross - Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:51 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> as it falls...
Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source. Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well. How can a mathematical transformation do this?

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by: Laurence Clark Cross - Fri, 23 Jun 2023 18:31 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> as it falls...
Answer: it can't. Therefore, light shares the velocity of the source as do bullets.

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by: whodat - Fri, 23 Jun 2023 18:58 UTC

On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
>> as it falls...
> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.

> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.

Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
anything behaves.

> How can a mathematical transformation do this?

How indeed.

Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
playing into his hand.

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by: Laurence Clark Cross - Fri, 23 Jun 2023 19:11 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> >>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> >> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> >> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> >> as it falls...
> > Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
>
> > Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
> anything behaves.
> > How can a mathematical transformation do this?
> How indeed.
>
> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
> playing into his hand.
It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.

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by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 01:55 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:31:12 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> > Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> > Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> > as it falls...
> Answer: it can't. Therefore, light shares the velocity of the source as do bullets.

Where light is on its own it has its own motion.
Motions can be shared otherwise.
Bullets have the motion of the police car
and then a motion of their own.
Just as your world line shares Earth's
motions....

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by: whodat - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 02:49 UTC

On 6/23/2023 2:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
>>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
>>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
>>>> as it falls...
>>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
>>
>>> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
>> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
>> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
>> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
>> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
>> anything behaves.
>>> How can a mathematical transformation do this?
>> How indeed.

>> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
>> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
>> playing into his hand.

> It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.

It looks to me that you're considering Mitch's postings in the last
few minutes while I am looking at his postings in terms of many years.

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by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 03:05 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:49:53 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 6/23/2023 2:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> >> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> >>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> >>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> >>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> >>>> as it falls...
> >>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
> >>
> >>> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
> >> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
> >> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
> >> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
> >> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
> >> anything behaves.
> >>> How can a mathematical transformation do this?
> >> How indeed.
>
> >> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
> >> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
> >> playing into his hand.
>
> > It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.
> It looks to me that you're considering Mitch's postings in the last
> few minutes while I am looking at his postings in terms of many years.

Do you not share the motions of the Earth?
In Galilean relativity the dropped object continues
to move with the horse... as it falls...

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by: Laurence Clark Cross - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 03:15 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:05:44 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:49:53 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > On 6/23/2023 2:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > >> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > >>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> > >>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> > >>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> > >>>> as it falls...
> > >>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
> > >>
> > >>> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
> > >> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities.. A
> > >> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
> > >> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
> > >> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
> > >> anything behaves.
> > >>> How can a mathematical transformation do this?
> > >> How indeed.
> >
> > >> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
> > >> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
> > >> playing into his hand.
> >
> > > It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.
> > It looks to me that you're considering Mitch's postings in the last
> > few minutes while I am looking at his postings in terms of many years.
> Do you not share the motions of the Earth?
> In Galilean relativity the dropped object continues
> to move with the horse... as it falls...
So does light share the velocity of the source. That's why the Lorentz transformations and relativity are completely unnecessary.

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by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 03:20 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:15:23 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:05:44 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:49:53 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > > On 6/23/2023 2:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > > >> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > >>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> > > >>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> > > >>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> > > >>>> as it falls...
> > > >>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
> > > >>
> > > >>> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
> > > >> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
> > > >> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
> > > >> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
> > > >> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
> > > >> anything behaves.
> > > >>> How can a mathematical transformation do this?
> > > >> How indeed.
> > >
> > > >> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
> > > >> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
> > > >> playing into his hand.
> > >
> > > > It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.
> > > It looks to me that you're considering Mitch's postings in the last
> > > few minutes while I am looking at his postings in terms of many years..
> > Do you not share the motions of the Earth?
> > In Galilean relativity the dropped object continues
> > to move with the horse... as it falls...
> So does light share the velocity of the source. That's why the Lorentz transformations and relativity are completely unnecessary.

Light has its own motion in space and atomics own motion does not contract space...

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by: Laurence Clark Cross - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 03:22 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:20:10 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:15:23 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:05:44 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:49:53 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > > > On 6/23/2023 2:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > > > >> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > >>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> > > > >>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> > > > >>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> > > > >>>> as it falls...
> > > > >>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
> > > > >> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
> > > > >> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
> > > > >> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
> > > > >> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
> > > > >> anything behaves.
> > > > >>> How can a mathematical transformation do this?
> > > > >> How indeed.
> > > >
> > > > >> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
> > > > >> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
> > > > >> playing into his hand.
> > > >
> > > > > It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.
> > > > It looks to me that you're considering Mitch's postings in the last
> > > > few minutes while I am looking at his postings in terms of many years.
> > > Do you not share the motions of the Earth?
> > > In Galilean relativity the dropped object continues
> > > to move with the horse... as it falls...
> > So does light share the velocity of the source. That's why the Lorentz transformations and relativity are completely unnecessary.
> Light has its own motion in space and atomics own motion does not contract space...
So many unnecessary complications. What about parsimony? (Heard of Occam's razor?)

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by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 04:47 UTC

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:22:52 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:20:10 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:15:23 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:05:44 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:49:53 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > > > > On 6/23/2023 2:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> > > > > >> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
> > > > > >>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
> > > > > >>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
> > > > > >>>> as it falls...
> > > > > >>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
> > > > > >> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
> > > > > >> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
> > > > > >> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
> > > > > >> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
> > > > > >> anything behaves.
> > > > > >>> How can a mathematical transformation do this?
> > > > > >> How indeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
> > > > > >> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
> > > > > >> playing into his hand.
> > > > >
> > > > > > It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.
> > > > > It looks to me that you're considering Mitch's postings in the last
> > > > > few minutes while I am looking at his postings in terms of many years.
> > > > Do you not share the motions of the Earth?
> > > > In Galilean relativity the dropped object continues
> > > > to move with the horse... as it falls...
> > > So does light share the velocity of the source. That's why the Lorentz transformations and relativity are completely unnecessary.
> > Light has its own motion in space and atomics own motion does not contract space...
> So many unnecessary complications. What about parsimony? (Heard of Occam's razor?)

Self motion is a simple fact. It is not a complication.
Sharing more than one motion also is not.

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by: whodat - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 05:07 UTC

On 6/23/2023 10:22 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:20:10 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:15:23 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:05:44 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:49:53 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>>>>> On 6/23/2023 2:11 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/23/2023 12:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
>>>>>>>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
>>>>>>>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
>>>>>>>>> as it falls...
>>>>>>>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well.
>>>>>>> Think about this a bit. Both light and bullets are physical entities. A
>>>>>>> mathematical transformation is completely artificial, you cannot hand
>>>>>>> me one to examine at my kitchen table. Mathematics is a shorthand that
>>>>>>> is used to explain physical phenomena but can do nothing to alter how
>>>>>>> anything behaves.
>>>>>>>> How can a mathematical transformation do this?
>>>>>>> How indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider any number of questions posed by Mitch. They are always of this
>>>>>>> sort conflating artifice with physical reality. It is time we stopped
>>>>>>> playing into his hand.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't Mitch's fault. I was caricaturing relativity.
>>>>> It looks to me that you're considering Mitch's postings in the last
>>>>> few minutes while I am looking at his postings in terms of many years.
>>>> Do you not share the motions of the Earth?
>>>> In Galilean relativity the dropped object continues
>>>> to move with the horse... as it falls...
>>> So does light share the velocity of the source. That's why the Lorentz transformations and relativity are completely unnecessary.
>> Light has its own motion in space and atomics own motion does not contract space...
> So many unnecessary complications. What about parsimony? (Heard of Occam's razor?)

Keep on, you'll eventually get the message.

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by: Volney - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 15:23 UTC

On 6/23/2023 1:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
>> as it falls...

> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source. Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well. How can a mathematical transformation do this?

They all follow the same transformation, w=(u+v)/(1+uv/c²). When both u
and v are very small compared to c, the difference between this and the
"obvious" w=u+v is also very small, usually too small to be measurable.

Remember, "obvious" in physics is not only not a proof, but often very
misleading!

The speed combo formula has an interesting property if one of the
velocities, say u, is c relative to the object moving at v. In this case
the formula becomes w=(c+v)/(1+cv/c²) where v is the velocity of
something emitting light at c relative to itself and u replaced by c. It
simplifies to w=c. This is a fancy way of showing that light moves at c
in all inertial frames regardless of the motion of the source (which is v).

For real life experiences, both u and v are very small compared to c, so
uv/c² is very very small, so (1+uv/c²) is almost exactly 1. The formula
simplifies to w=(u+v)/1 or the "obvious" w=u+v.

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by: Richard Hachel - Sat, 24 Jun 2023 15:57 UTC

Le 24/06/2023 à 17:23, Volney a écrit :
> On 6/23/2023 1:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a
>>>> mathematical transformation has been applied.
>>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car
>>> and has its own.
>>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it
>>> continues in that direction
>>> as it falls...
>
>> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source. Light
>> requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well. How can a
>> mathematical transformation do this?
>
> They all follow the same transformation, w=(u+v)/(1+uv/c²). When both u
> and v are very small compared to c, the difference between this and the
> "obvious" w=u+v is also very small, usually too small to be measurable.
>
> Remember, "obvious" in physics is not only not a proof, but often very
> misleading!
>
> The speed combo formula has an interesting property if one of the
> velocities, say u, is c relative to the object moving at v. In this case
> the formula becomes w=(c+v)/(1+cv/c²) where v is the velocity of
> something emitting light at c relative to itself and u replaced by c. It
> simplifies to w=c. This is a fancy way of showing that light moves at c
> in all inertial frames regardless of the motion of the source (which is v).
>
> For real life experiences, both u and v are very small compared to c, so
> uv/c² is very very small, so (1+uv/c²) is almost exactly 1. The formula
> simplifies to w=(u+v)/1 or the "obvious" w=u+v.

w=(c+v)/(1+cv/c²)

w=(c+v)/(1+v/c)

w=(c+vc/c)/(1+v/c)

w=(c+v)/(1+cv/c²)

Nous sommes en 2023

Donc w+2023=(c+v)/(1+cv/c²)+2023

Putin = carré de l'hypotènuse = Sakharov - Henri Kissinger

a²+b²=c²

w=1 et c/c=1

My sister is not a boy <---> woke ideologie

Les forums anglo-américains sont à la pointe du combat.

Continuez, les mecs...

R.H.

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Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	Laurence Clark Crossen
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Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	mitchr...@gmail.com
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Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	Laurence Clark Crossen
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	whodat
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	Laurence Clark Crossen
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	whodat
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	mitchr...@gmail.com
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	Laurence Clark Crossen
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	mitchr...@gmail.com
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	Laurence Clark Crossen
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	mitchr...@gmail.com
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	whodat
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	Volney
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	Richard Hachel
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	Laurence Clark Crossen
Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.	mitchr...@gmail.com