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* Photo taken in 1977 (was - Mac drive letters?)David Brooks
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 by: David Brooks - Wed, 4 May 2022 06:49 UTC

On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> > On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what package?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'll check.
>>>>> I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
>>>>> with Covid infections etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
>>>>> service throughout.
>>>>
>>>> A bit pricey?  I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like
>>>> AA vs RAC.  That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover
>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed.  Also, it covers any car I
>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
>>>> son).  As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual
>>>> membership.
>>>>
>>>> I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into
>>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
>>>> was.  Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as
>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car
>>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).
>>>>
>>>> All in all, very satisfied.
>>>
>>> Why not do what I do?  All you need is to get out of the mess you're
>>> in.  Get your car and you taken to civilisation.  You can rent your own
>>> car and hotel room.  Then your premium is far lower.  I pay less than
>>> half what you do.
>>
>> Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)
>
> I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out.  They
> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of
> around here.  Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm?  If I
> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm....

It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
your house burns down around your hardware!

I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
and the group which I run.

>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays
>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>>> of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>
>>> Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for speed
>>> cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>>> warn you.
>>
>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>
> 1865: 4mph limit
> 1897: 14mph
> 1903: 20mph
> 1966: 70mph
> Isn't it about time they increased it again?

I once would have agreed with you. Competent drivers ignore the limit
anyway.

> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
> 16mph on his bicycle!

Haha! :-D

>> Please come and defend yourself here, m8!
>>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165159564100
>>
>> If I'm in the wrong, please tell me!
>
> Nasty piece of work indeed.  Perhaps he should meet me in person, then
> he'll find out what nasty is.

There ya go! ;-)

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On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> > On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what package?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I'll check.
>>>>>> I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
>>>>>> with Covid infections etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
>>>>>> service throughout.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like
>>>>> AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover
>>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I
>>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
>>>>> son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their annual
>>>>> membership.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went into
>>>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
>>>>> was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as
>>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire car
>>>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).
>>>>>
>>>>> All in all, very satisfied.
>>>>
>>>> Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're
>>>> in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your own
>>>> car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less than
>>>> half what you do.
>>>
>>> Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)
>>
>> I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They
>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of
>> around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I
>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm.....
>
> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
> your house burns down around your hardware!

It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(

This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must get gold in everything.

> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
> and the group which I run.

Excellent, thankyou. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which kills far more.

Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" - it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on holidays
>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed
>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>>>> warn you.
>>>
>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>
>> 1865: 4mph limit
>> 1897: 14mph
>> 1903: 20mph
>> 1966: 70mph
>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>
> I once would have agreed with you.

Why do you no longer agree?

> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.

Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow because they find driving difficult.

Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn? It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite direction. The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my friend a lift to see his girlfriend. I don't know if it was on that occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>
> Haha! :-D

I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using god's force, gravity. If something had been in the way, I would not have been able to stop. The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are. I've had it for 26 years. Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

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On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>> > On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what
>>>>>>> package?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I'll check.
>>>>>>> I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
>>>>>>> with Covid infections etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
>>>>>>> service throughout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bit pricey?  I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like
>>>>>> AA vs RAC.  That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover
>>>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed.  Also, it covers any car I
>>>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
>>>>>> son).  As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their
>>>>>> annual
>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
>>>>>> was.  Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as
>>>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire
>>>>>> car
>>>>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All in all, very satisfied.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not do what I do?  All you need is to get out of the mess you're
>>>>> in.  Get your car and you taken to civilisation.  You can rent your
>>>>> own
>>>>> car and hotel room.  Then your premium is far lower.  I pay less than
>>>>> half what you do.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)
>>>
>>> I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
>>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out.  They
>>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of
>>> around here.  Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm?  If I
>>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm....
>>
>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>
> It has a fuse.  Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.

Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
wife is doing the ironing.

> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.

I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
>
> This is getting out of hand.  I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win.  They usually get in
> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions.  This is not good enough, they must
> get gold in everything.

THAT was the one you showed me before.

>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>> and the group which I run.
>
> Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
> kills far more.
>
> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time.  If
> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.

Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>>>>> of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for speed
>>>>> cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>>>>> warn you.
>>>>
>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>
>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>> 1897: 14mph
>>> 1903: 20mph
>>> 1966: 70mph
>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>
>> I once would have agreed with you.
>
> Why do you no longer agree?

Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.

>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>
> Indeed.  It's the slow ones you need to look out for.  They drive slow
> because they find driving difficult.

Many of them are OLD too! ;-)

> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?

I would if you were going forwards!

> It's the most efficient method to get travelling in the opposite
> direction.  The first time I did this I was a teenager and was giving my
> friend a lift to see his girlfriend.  I don't know if it was on that
> occasion, but he got her pregnant then left the country!

Did you look after her and the baby yourself?

>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go over
>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>>
>> Haha! :-D
>
> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> gravity.

I know I've been travelling as fast as cars when going downhill on a bike!
There were no GPS measuring devices in my cycling days!

> If something had been in the way, I would not have been able
> to stop.  The brakes were rubbish on that bike and still are.  I've had
> it for 26 years.  Giant Box Two dual suspension aluminium frame.

That warrants a photograph!

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On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid..org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>> > On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >> AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what
>>>>>>>> package?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I'll check.
>>>>>>>> I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more concerned
>>>>>>>> with Covid infections etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed excellent
>>>>>>>> service throughout.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
>>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition like
>>>>>>> AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also cover
>>>>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
>>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any car I
>>>>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
>>>>>>> son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their
>>>>>>> annual
>>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
>>>>>>> was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
>>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we didn't as
>>>>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire
>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All in all, very satisfied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're
>>>>>> in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less than
>>>>>> half what you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and Magani! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science..
>>>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They
>>>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a lot of
>>>> around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I
>>>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable warm.....
>>>
>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>>
>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
>
> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!

Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock, but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> wife is doing the ironing.

The earth leakage type or the overload type? The earth leakage ones hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an argument or two.

[1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea. Consider you touch a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd get a slight tingle or not even feel it. But now imagine your knee is touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a safety device.

>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>
> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!

I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

>>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
>>
>> This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in
>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must
>> get gold in everything.
>
> THAT was the one you showed me before.

I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it, as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).

>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>> and the group which I run.
>>
>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>> kills far more.
>>
>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>
> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.

>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on their
>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the front
>>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no internet,
>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for speed
>>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA would
>>>>>> warn you.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>>
>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>>> 1897: 14mph
>>>> 1903: 20mph
>>>> 1966: 70mph
>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>>
>>> I once would have agreed with you.
>>
>> Why do you no longer agree?
>
> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.


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On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>> and the group which I run.
>>
>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>> kills far more.
>>
>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>
> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.

How many points per day (PPD) are you getting? It should say in the control program if you click the graphics card etc. I'm on 2.2 million, using graphics cards only, the CPUs are busy with Universe for a competition.

I tired to find you, are you called "Boater"?

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On 04/05/2022 09:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>
>>> Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>> kills far more.
>>>
>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time.  If
>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>
>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>
> How many points per day (PPD) are you getting?  It should say in the
> control program if you click the graphics card etc.  I'm on 2.2 million,
> using graphics cards only, the CPUs are busy with Universe for a
> competition.
>
> I tired to find you, are you called "Boater"?

Tired, eh?!!! ;-)

This should help:- https://ibb.co/86TfYg3

HunterBD is my posting nym on tha Apple and Microsoft forums

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On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:50:58 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 09:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>>> kills far more.
>>>>
>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>
>> How many points per day (PPD) are you getting? It should say in the
>> control program if you click the graphics card etc. I'm on 2.2 million,
>> using graphics cards only, the CPUs are busy with Universe for a
>> competition.
>>
>> I tired to find you, are you called "Boater"?
>
> Tired, eh?!!! ;-)

Spell checkers aren't that bright. Why don't they put grammar checkers into newsreaders etc? MS Word won't let you get those words mixed up. Even the pirate version.

> This should help:- https://ibb.co/86TfYg3

Ah, you don't get in the stats until you've completed some work. You will then find yourself here:
https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor

How come you're not running it on the GPU? Those are much faster.

As long as the ETA is a lot less than the "has x days to complete", you're doing something useful.

Mind you 2.2 million is more than 11,000.

> HunterBD is my posting nym on tha Apple and Microsoft forums

Tha Apple? At least tired is a word. I don't think tha is in the dictionary.

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On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cdsross@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> AA is cheaper than RAC.  How much do you pay and for what
>>>>>>>>> package?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I'll check.
>>>>>>>>> I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more
>>>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>>>> with Covid infections etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed
>>>>>>>>> excellent
>>>>>>>>> service throughout.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A bit pricey?  I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
>>>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> AA vs RAC.  That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also
>>>>>>>> cover
>>>>>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
>>>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed.  Also, it covers any
>>>>>>>> car I
>>>>>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
>>>>>>>> son).  As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their
>>>>>>>> annual
>>>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
>>>>>>>> was.  Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
>>>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we
>>>>>>>> didn't as
>>>>>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire
>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All in all, very satisfied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not do what I do?  All you need is to get out of the mess you're
>>>>>>> in.  Get your car and you taken to civilisation.  You can rent your
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> car and hotel room.  Then your premium is far lower.  I pay less
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> half what you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and
>>>>>> Magani! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
>>>>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out.  They
>>>>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a
>>>>> lot of
>>>>> around here.  Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm?  If I
>>>>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable
>>>>> warm....
>>>>
>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>>>
>>> It has a fuse.  Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
>>
>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
>
> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse.  I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
> but I don't want something catching fire.  It's amazing how many things
> aren't protected properly.  For example did you know a twin UK socket is
> not rated to 26 amps?  Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps.  So if
> you max out both of them, things melt!  I don't remember seeing a
> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.

No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
13 Amps!

>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>> wife is doing the ironing.
>
> The earth leakage type or the overload type?

Sadly, I have no idea. :-(

Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

> The earth leakage ones
> hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose.  I
> disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
> flex.  I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
> her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
> feet [1].  But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
> it.  So clearly something is meant to go to earth.  At work, a microwave
> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
> put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices.  That caused an
> argument or two.
>
> [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.  Consider you touch
> a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever.  Normally you'd
> get a slight tingle or not even feel it.  But now imagine your knee is
> touching an earthed washing machine.  240V on your hand, 0V on your
> knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between.  Death.  From a
> safety device.

Oh! Shiver me timbers!

>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>
>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>
> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when
> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.

A bit like being retired - like me!

>>>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
>>>
>>> This is getting out of hand.  I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
>>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win.  They usually get in
>>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions.  This is not good enough, they must
>>> get gold in everything.
>>
>> THAT was the one you showed me before.
>
> I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week.  The only thing I told
> you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work
> available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX
> instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
> as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).

You do make me smile, laddie!

>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>
>>> Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>> kills far more.
>>>
>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time.  If
>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>
>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>
> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out.  Fans are
> meant to spin.  Most of my fans run at 75% speed.


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On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>>>>
>>>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
>>>
>>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
>>
>> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
>> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
>
> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
> 13 Amps!

Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one washes. Whoops, melted socket.

>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>
>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>
> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>
> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1]. It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire coming loose.

The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

[1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

>> The earth leakage ones
>> hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
>> disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
>> flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
>> her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
>> feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
>> it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
>> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
>> put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
>> argument or two.
>>
>> [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea. Consider you touch
>> a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
>> get a slight tingle or not even feel it. But now imagine your knee is
>> touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
>> knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
>> safety device.
>
> Oh! Shiver me timbers!

A larger oh! if it was something higher than your knee :-)
Don't look up tens torture devices.

>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>
>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>
>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>
> A bit like being retired - like me!

I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.

>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>>> kills far more.
>>>>
>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>
>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>
> Understood. Thanks.

To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

>>>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
>>>>>>>>> internet,
>>>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for
>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> warn you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>>>>> 1897: 14mph
>>>>>> 1903: 20mph
>>>>>> 1966: 70mph
>>>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>>>>
>>>>> I once would have agreed with you.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you no longer agree?
>>>
>>> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.
>>
>> The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
>
> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
> vehicles on the road.

If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.

>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>
> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)

And delegate?

>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
>>>> because they find driving difficult.
>>>
>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>>
>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>
> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?


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> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

The two screws at the far left and right to hold on the cover don't seem to be closed securely. Perhaps you should straighten those up incase the cover falls off. I think the diagram means they should be horizontal to keep it closed.

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On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

You must have one hell of a shower to need a 50A breaker. Normally I see 32A breakers.

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On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks
> >>>>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cds...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> > On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >> AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what
> >>>>>>>>> package?
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > I'll check.
> >>>>>>>>> I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more
> >>>>>>>>> concerned
> >>>>>>>>> with Covid infections etc.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed
> >>>>>>>>> excellent
> >>>>>>>>> service throughout.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
> >>>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition
> >>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>> AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also
> >>>>>>>> cover
> >>>>>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
> >>>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any
> >>>>>>>> car I
> >>>>>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
> >>>>>>>> son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their
> >>>>>>>> annual
> >>>>>>>> membership.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went
> >>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
> >>>>>>>> was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
> >>>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we
> >>>>>>>> didn't as
> >>>>>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire
> >>>>>>>> car
> >>>>>>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> All in all, very satisfied.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're
> >>>>>>> in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your
> >>>>>>> own
> >>>>>>> car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less
> >>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>> half what you do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and
> >>>>>> Magani! ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science..
> >>>>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They
> >>>>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a
> >>>>> lot of
> >>>>> around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I
> >>>>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable
> >>>>> warm....
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
> >>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
> >>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
> >>>
> >>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
> >>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
> >>
> >> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
> >
> > Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
> > but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
> > aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
> > not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
> > you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
> > warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
> 13 Amps!

That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
on a double outlet.
Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.

> >> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> >> wife is doing the ironing.
> >
> > The earth leakage type or the overload type?
> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>
> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw

Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.

> > The earth leakage ones
> > hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
> > disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
> > flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
> > her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
> > feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
> > it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
> > kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
> > put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
> > argument or two.
> >
> > [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.

Not by those that know what they are doing.

>Consider you touch
> > a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
> > get a slight tingle or not even feel it.

Depending on how it is dameged.

> But now imagine your knee is
> > touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
> > knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
> > safety device.
> Oh! Shiver me timbers!

But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.

> >>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> >>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
> >>
> >> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> >> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
> >
> > I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.


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On 04/05/2022 11:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>
> The two screws at the far left and right to hold on the cover don't seem
> to be closed securely.  Perhaps you should straighten those up incase
> the cover falls off.  I think the diagram means they should be
> horizontal to keep it closed.

By jove, you are correct! I've never had the cover off myself and never
paid it proper attention. Perhaps I'll remove it altogether and give it
a good clean whilst I'm at it!

Thanks.

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 by: David Brooks - Wed, 4 May 2022 22:16 UTC

On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
>>>>>> fire-risk in
>>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
>>>>>> wasted if
>>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>>>>>
>>>>> It has a fuse.  Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
>>>>
>>>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
>>>
>>> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse.  I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
>>> but I don't want something catching fire.  It's amazing how many things
>>> aren't protected properly.  For example did you know a twin UK socket is
>>> not rated to 26 amps?  Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps.  So if
>>> you max out both of them, things melt!  I don't remember seeing a
>>> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
>>
>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
>> 13 Amps!
>
> Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other?  Quite common I
> would think.  Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
> washes.  Whoops, melted socket.

Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.

>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>>
>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>>
>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>
>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>
> Yes I can tell.  The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
> prevent shocks.  It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
> earth, possibly through you, so it trips).  Unfortunately you have the
> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
> coming loose.

It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!

> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
> fire.  I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.

No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!

> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!

Understood - but I didn't choose it!

>>> The earth leakage ones
>>> hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose.  I
>>> disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
>>> flex.  I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
>>> her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
>>> feet [1].  But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
>>> it.  So clearly something is meant to go to earth.  At work, a microwave
>>> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
>>> put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices.  That caused an
>>> argument or two.
>>>
>>> [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.  Consider you touch
>>> a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever.  Normally you'd
>>> get a slight tingle or not even feel it.  But now imagine your knee is
>>> touching an earthed washing machine.  240V on your hand, 0V on your
>>> knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between.  Death.  From a
>>> safety device.
>>
>> Oh! Shiver me timbers!
>
> A larger oh! if it was something higher than your knee :-)
> Don't look up tens torture devices.

Haha! :-)

>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>>>> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>
>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when
>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>>
>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>
> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now.  I can get my pension in 9 years.

I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
of just 55?

>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
>>>>>> timeline
>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>>>> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>>>> kills far more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
>>>>> time.  If
>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>>
>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out.  Fans are
>>> meant to spin.  Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>>
>> Understood. Thanks.
>
> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it.  Be ready to inhale a
> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!

Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!

>>>>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>> of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no
>>>>>>>>>> internet,
>>>>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for
>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>> cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> warn you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>>>>>> 1897: 14mph
>>>>>>> 1903: 20mph
>>>>>>> 1966: 70mph
>>>>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I once would have agreed with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you no longer agree?
>>>>
>>>> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.
>>>
>>> The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
>>
>> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
>> vehicles on the road.
>
> If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
> could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.


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On 04/05/2022 14:55, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/05/2022 03:37, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 18:26:55 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/05/2022 05:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 01:35:35 +0100, Magani <cds...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 6:12:41 pm UTC+10, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:36, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2022 08:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AA is cheaper than RAC. How much do you pay and for what
>>>>>>>>>>> package?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll check.
>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we didn't challenge last October - probably more
>>>>>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>>>>>> with Covid infections etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We actually paid £126.99 - for their top-of-the-range package.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been with the RAC for over 50 years and have enjoyed
>>>>>>>>>>> excellent
>>>>>>>>>>> service throughout.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A bit pricey? I pay about AUD$186 (say £105) for RACQ top cover -
>>>>>>>>>> each state has its own auto association, but no real competition
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> AA vs RAC. That is top cover for breakdowns, etc and will also
>>>>>>>>>> cover
>>>>>>>>>> the caravan, towing (both car and van if needed) up to $3300/annum,
>>>>>>>>>> accommodation and free hire car if needed. Also, it covers any
>>>>>>>>>> car I
>>>>>>>>>> drive, as well as anyone driving my nominated vehicle (ie: SWMBO or
>>>>>>>>>> son). As a 50+yr member, I also get a decent discount on their
>>>>>>>>>> annual
>>>>>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've used it once in the last five years when my LandCruiser went
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> 'limp' mode in Mt Isa, and was VERY happy with how efficient it all
>>>>>>>>>> was. Within half an hour of ringing, I had a tilt-tray winching it
>>>>>>>>>> up, and a lovely person asking if I needed a motel room (we
>>>>>>>>>> didn't as
>>>>>>>>>> we were in a caravan park with our own van), and did I need a hire
>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>> (why don't we wait until we find out why The Beast is sullking).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All in all, very satisfied.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why not do what I do? All you need is to get out of the mess you're
>>>>>>>>> in. Get your car and you taken to civilisation. You can rent your
>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>> car and hotel room. Then your premium is far lower. I pay less
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> half what you do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps in 30 years time you'll be doing the same as me and
>>>>>>>> Magani! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I doubt I have 30 years left unless medicine becomes a real science.
>>>>>>> I've now got 7 graphics cards running Folding at Home flat out. They
>>>>>>> mainly do cancer and Alzheimers, which are the two things I see a
>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>> around here. Is it a bad thing when a 13A plug is really warm? If I
>>>>>>> get enough stuff I'll see if I can get the incoming 100A cable
>>>>>>> warm....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a fire-risk in
>>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be wasted if
>>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>>>>>
>>>>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
>>>>
>>>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
>>>
>>> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
>>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
>>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
>>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
>>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
>>> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
>> 13 Amps!
>
> That's partly the point an electric 3 bar fire or a washing machine in dryer mode
> and a 3kw electric kettle. But these aren't always close enough and used at the same time
> on a double outlet.
> Not many things are used continuoisly or for a long period at 13 amps.
> I doubt a washing maching would pull 13 amps and the heater would turn off and on anyway.
> A kettle would but wouldn't be on for more than 10mins.
>
>
>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>>
>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>
>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>
> Should be some intials like RCCB or something and then check wiki.
> In a correctly wired property they should have the correct one fitted to the fuse box.
>
>>> The earth leakage ones
>>> hate microwave ovens, which leak current to earth on purpose. I
>>> disconnected the earth to mine when I saw a parrot trying to chew the
>>> flex. I removed the earth so the current couldn't go from the wire in
>>> her beak through her heart to the earthed microwave chassis under her
>>> feet [1]. But now when I run the microwave I get a tingle if I touch
>>> it. So clearly something is meant to go to earth. At work, a microwave
>>> kept tripping an earth leakage breaker, but they'd economised and only
>>> put in one for the whole corridor of 100 offices. That caused an
>>> argument or two.
>>>
>>> [1] Earthing things was a very very dangerous idea.
>
> Not by those that know what they are doing.
>
> >Consider you touch
>>> a live wire for some reason - damaged flex, whatever. Normally you'd
>>> get a slight tingle or not even feel it.
>
> Depending on how it is dameged.
>
>> But now imagine your knee is
>>> touching an earthed washing machine. 240V on your hand, 0V on your
>>> knee, with the rather vital heart halfway between. Death. From a
>>> safety device.
>> Oh! Shiver me timbers!
>
> But if the washing machine was earthed it would blow the fuse or whatever device was in the consumer box that's the point.
> That is why earthing a washing machine is a good idea same for most appliances.
>
>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>
>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.
>
> Most humans have this 24 hour cycle even animals do, this is why jet lag happens.
>
>> I get up when
>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>
> Most people do but it's the define ready is what's important.
> A former flatmate used to go to work about 9pm return home about 8am
> go to bed midday get up about 7pm.
>
>
>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>>>>>> I'd forgotten about the Folding Home project. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> This is getting out of hand. I've joined the Scottish Boinc Team and am
>>>>> running "sprints" and "marathons" to help them win. They usually get in
>>>>> 1/2/3rd place in most competitions. This is not good enough, they must
>>>>> get gold in everything.
>>>>
>>>> THAT was the one you showed me before.
>>>
>>> I only joined the Scottish Boinc Team last week. The only thing I told
>>> you about a long time ago was Rosetta, which doesn't have much work
>>> available just now, only for Windows on modern processors (they need AVX
>>> instructions - 5 of my 7 don't have that, and 1 slows down if I use it,
>>> as it runs on Oracle Virtualpox, sorry, box).
>> You do make me smile, laddie!
>
> Could get expensive running these things with electricity prices going up. ;-)
>
>
>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook timeline
>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>>>> kills far more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in time. If
>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>>
>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>> Understood. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
>>>>>>>>>> internet,
>>>>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for
>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> warn you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>>>>>> 1897: 14mph
>>>>>>> 1903: 20mph
>>>>>>> 1966: 70mph
>>>>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I once would have agreed with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you no longer agree?
>>>>
>>>> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.
>>>
>>> The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
>> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
>> vehicles on the road.
>
> Too many people wanting to go from A-B
>
>>> I was once chased to my house by a neighbour who objected to me
>>> overtaking his wife. She was going 20 in a 30 zone because of roadworks
>>> signs. For another road. He claimed it was because of the detour and
>>> more people using our road that our road had a limit. What a crazy idea
>>> - if you have more things to do, you have to do them faster!
>
> But does that mean you have to travel faster.
> I doubt most peolpe on a typivcal school run or to go to the loca supermarket would save much time
> in a car capable of doing 200MHP over one capable of doing 70MPH
>
>
>> Of course. The real answer is to do LESS things! ;-)
>
> I'd be up for that.
>
>>>>>> Competent drivers ignore the limit anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. It's the slow ones you need to look out for. They drive slow
>>>>> because they find driving difficult.
>>>>
>>>> Many of them are OLD too! ;-)
>>>
>>> Plenty middle aged people driving far too slowly too.
>> You do realise that YOU are now middle aged too?
>
> Sounds agist Id like to see a 'test' you could take which once passed meant you could
> drive above the speed limits others have to keep to. Provided you're car was up to standard too.
>
>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>>>>
>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
>>>
>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>> underway - travelling forwards!
>
> How about a donut /Doughnut


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 by: Commander Kinsey - Thu, 5 May 2022 07:18 UTC

On Wed, 04 May 2022 22:57:55 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 11:09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>>
>> The two screws at the far left and right to hold on the cover don't seem
>> to be closed securely. Perhaps you should straighten those up incase
>> the cover falls off. I think the diagram means they should be
>> horizontal to keep it closed.
>
> By jove, you are correct! I've never had the cover off myself and never
> paid it proper attention. Perhaps I'll remove it altogether and give it
> a good clean whilst I'm at it!
>
> Thanks.

Best to clean it with a damp cloth, including all the metal conductive parts, and make sure you earth yourself so you can discharge any stray electricity. Don't turn the power off, the current will help it remove the dirt.

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On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:21:17 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 14:55, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 4 May 2022 at 10:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Would you be alarmed if while giving you a lift I performed a J-turn?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would if you were going forwards!
>>>>
>>>> I would be afterwards, that's what a J-turn tends to do.
>>> I thought it unlikely that you would attempt such a manoeuvre when
>>> underway - travelling forwards!
>>
>> How about a donut /Doughnut
>
> I'm going to let Commander Kinsey respond during his night shift! ;-)

Those consume tyres rather quickly.

> I like the idea of a special driving license for good drivers like us! ;-)

All they need to do is charge people for accidents instead of speeding. Crash at 70, get points. Don't crash at 100, get no points.

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On 28/04/2022 22:16, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:23:52 +0100, David Brooks
> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On 28/04/2022 00:13, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:17:50 +0100, David Brooks
>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/04/2022 11:05, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>> Haha! ? But you are right - they ARE wonderful. I can remember my first
>>>>> BBQ in Australia with those birds flying around us as my children fed
>>>>> the wild Wallabies!
>>>>
>>>> https://ibb.co/KrkJnYr
>>>>
>>>> The colour has faded somewhat!
>>>>
>>>> Ah! Memories. :-D
>>>
>>>
>>> I have similar pics from the 70's and I have PShopped them all to
>>> great effect. Some are irredeemable though. Your's fixed is an
>>> example of the successes.
>>> https://postimg.cc/zb828JLZ
>>
>>
>> Wow! How kind of you to go to so much trouble, Peter.
>>
>> I really appreciate that. *THANK YOU*!
>>
>> Would you like another to 'play' with?
>
> Yes, OK. But it was no trouble.
> Regards.

Hello again, Peter.

My sister is asking if you have have made any progress on the Lands End
photograph. Has it proved to be more difficult than expected?

Thanks.

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On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
>>>>>>> fire-risk in
>>>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
>>>>>>> wasted if
>>>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
>>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
>>>>
>>>> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
>>>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
>>>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
>>>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
>>>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
>>>> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
>>>
>>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
>>> 13 Amps!
>>
>> Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
>> would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
>> washes. Whoops, melted socket.
>
> Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.

I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

>>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
>>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>>>
>>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>>>
>>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>>
>>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>>
>> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
>> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
>> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
>> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
>> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
>> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
>> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
>> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
>> coming loose.
>
> It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
> small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!

Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

>> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>
> No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>
>> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>
> Understood - but I didn't choose it!

I have fuses :-)

>>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>>
>>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
>>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>>>
>>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>>
>> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.
>
> I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
> of just 55?

I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

>>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
>>>>>>> timeline
>>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>>>>>> kills far more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
>>>>>> time. If
>>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
>>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>>>
>>> Understood. Thanks.
>>
>> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
>> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
>> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
>
> Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!

I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).

>>>>>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
>>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
>>>>>>>>>>> internet,
>>>>>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for
>>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> warn you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>>>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>>>>>>> 1897: 14mph
>>>>>>>> 1903: 20mph
>>>>>>>> 1966: 70mph
>>>>>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I once would have agreed with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you no longer agree?
>>>>>
>>>>> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.
>>>>
>>>> The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
>>>
>>> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
>>> vehicles on the road.
>>
>> If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
>> could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.
>
> We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
> like a train!


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On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
> > On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid..org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
> >>>>>> <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
> >>>>>>> fire-risk in
> >>>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
> >>>>>>> wasted if
> >>>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It has a fuse. Those wonderful things before the namby pamby circuit
> >>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
> >>>>
> >>>> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse. I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
> >>>> but I don't want something catching fire. It's amazing how many things
> >>>> aren't protected properly. For example did you know a twin UK socket is
> >>>> not rated to 26 amps? Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps. So if
> >>>> you max out both of them, things melt! I don't remember seeing a
> >>>> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
> >>>
> >>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home use
> >>> 13 Amps!
> >>
> >> Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other? Quite common I
> >> would think. Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
> >> washes. Whoops, melted socket.
> >
> > Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown..
> I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip. Seems the strip was weaker than the 13A fuse. I gave the irritated teacher two new strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room. One washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

I have a LG washer dryer and it says in the instructions NOT to use it from an extention strip.
Which might seema bit odd but I'm guessing it's because some idiot would and plug a kettle, toaster and fan heater into the same strip.
> >>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again when my
> >>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
> >>>>
> >>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
> >>>
> >>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
> >>>
> >>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
> >>
> >> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
> >> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
> >> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
> >> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
> >> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
> >> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
> >> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
> >> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
> >> coming loose.
> >
> > It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
> > small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or through your wife.

If it's an old iron could be that the flex has twisted somewhere and worn internally
and a strange of the live wire comes into contact with earth.
Also I've seen on old appliences that a ON neon is connected between live and earth
and that can trigger a cutout, even seen one on a PSU where one side of the neon was connected to Live and the other to the metal case of the PSU
which was earthed.

> >> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
> >> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
> >> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
> >> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
> >> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
> >
> > No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
> >
> >> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
> >> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
> >> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
> >
> > Understood - but I didn't choose it!
> I have fuses :-)

I do too and thinking of updating

> >>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
> >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
> >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
> >>>>
> >>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
> >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
> >>>
> >>> A bit like being retired - like me!
> >>
> >> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years..
> >
> > I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
> > of just 55?
> I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.

> >>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
> >>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
> >>>>>>> timeline
> >>>>>>> and the group which I run.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
> >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
> >>>>>> kills far more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
> >>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
> >>>>>> time. If
> >>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
> >>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
> >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
> >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
> >>>
> >>> Understood. Thanks.
> >>
> >> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
> >> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
> >> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
> >
> > Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
> I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)

>
> But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).
> >>>>>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
> >>>>>>>>>>> holidays
> >>>>>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
> >>>>>>>>>>> front
> >>>>>>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
> >>>>>>>>>>> internet,
> >>>>>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for
> >>>>>>>>>> speed
> >>>>>>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
> >>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>> warn you.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
> >>>>>>>> 1897: 14mph
> >>>>>>>> 1903: 20mph
> >>>>>>>> 1966: 70mph
> >>>>>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I once would have agreed with you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why do you no longer agree?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.
> >>>>
> >>>> The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
> >>>
> >>> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
> >>> vehicles on the road.
> >>
> >> If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
> >> could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.
> >
> > We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
> > like a train!
> Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.


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On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not for me to tell a Physics graduate that there's a
>>>>>>>> fire-risk in
>>>>>>>> 13 Amp plugs melting! Remember that ALL your efforts will be
>>>>>>>> wasted if
>>>>>>>> your house burns down around your hardware!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has a fuse.  Those wonderful things before the namby pamby
>>>>>>> circuit
>>>>>>> breakers that trip if a fly lands on something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Knowing you, you might have replaced the fuse with a nail!
>>>>>
>>>>> Funnily enough, I'm pro-fuse.  I'm not bothered about getting a shock,
>>>>> but I don't want something catching fire.  It's amazing how many
>>>>> things
>>>>> aren't protected properly.  For example did you know a twin UK
>>>>> socket is
>>>>> not rated to 26 amps?  Most (apart from MK) are rated to 20 amps.
>>>>> So if
>>>>> you max out both of them, things melt!  I don't remember seeing a
>>>>> warning on the front not to use both fully at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> No, I didn't know that ..... but few things one 'plugs in' in a home
>>>> use
>>>> 13 Amps!
>>>
>>> Washing machine and tumble dryer next to each other?  Quite common I
>>> would think.  Do two loads in a row, one drying while the next one
>>> washes.  Whoops, melted socket.
>>
>> Perhaps you are right - but I've never seen or heard of such a meltdown.
>
> I have, but it was two of each on an extension strip.  Seems the strip
> was weaker than the 13A fuse.  I gave the irritated teacher two new
> strips, one much longer to plug in the other side of the room.  One
> washer and one dryer seemed to manage together.

OK

>>>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again
>>>>>> when my
>>>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>>>>
>>>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>>>
>>> Yes I can tell.  The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
>>> prevent shocks.  It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
>>> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
>>> earth, possibly through you, so it trips).  Unfortunately you have the
>>> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
>>> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
>>> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
>>> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
>>> coming loose.
>>
>> It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
>> small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
>
> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth.  Or
> through your wife.

It's intermittent. The very worst kind of fault. Perhaps every seventh
time she uses the iron. After a reset everything works fine again
(including my Mrs!)

>>> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>>> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>>> fire.  I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>>> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>>> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>>
>> No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>>
>>> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>>> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>>> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>>
>> Understood - but I didn't choose it!
>
> I have fuses :-)

Ha! Yet MY house, the original part, was built in 1850!

>>>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning!  I got up at 11:30pm, so
>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>> sure what time this is for me.  I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>>>
>>>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life.  I get up when
>>>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>>>>
>>>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>>>
>>> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now.  I can get my pension in 9 years.
>>
>> I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
>> of just 55?
>
> I thought it was a law.  Maybe it's because mine are government plans.
> 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.

I'm not certain you are right about this. :-(

May I suggest you apply for a pension forecast?
https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

You might be in for a REALLY nasty shock. :-(

>>>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
>>>>>>>> timeline
>>>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excellent, thank you.  People aren't flocking to it so much now
>>>>>>> covid
>>>>>>> research has declined.  People don't seem to care about cancer,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> kills far more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the
>>>>>>> "timeout" -
>>>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
>>>>>>> time.  If
>>>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it
>>>>>>> gets to
>>>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to
>>>>>> trigger my
>>>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out.  Fans are
>>>>> meant to spin.  Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>>>>
>>>> Understood. Thanks.
>>>
>>> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
>>> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it.  Be ready to inhale a
>>> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
>>
>> Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
>
> I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.

Nor be seen in a Roller, eh?!!

> But what exactly is the problem?  You blow where the dust settles.  If
> that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air
> canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).

Yes, I have used such cannisters.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>>>> of our hire car.  I really don't think I'd swap that for no
>>>>>>>>>>>> internet,
>>>>>>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute?  The AA started as a warning for
>>>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>>>> cameras.  If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> warn you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>>>>>>>> 1897: 14mph
>>>>>>>>> 1903: 20mph
>>>>>>>>> 1966: 70mph
>>>>>>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I once would have agreed with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you no longer agree?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.
>>>>>
>>>>> The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
>>>>
>>>> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
>>>> vehicles on the road.
>>>
>>> If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
>>> could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.
>>
>> We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
>> like a train!
>
> Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were
> safer.  An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot
> away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.


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On Thu, 05 May 2022 16:24:44 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got one of those circuit breakers. It trips now and again
>>>>>>> when my
>>>>>>> wife is doing the ironing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The earth leakage type or the overload type?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly, I have no idea. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you tell from a picture? https://ibb.co/nckJpXw
>>>>
>>>> Yes I can tell. The large one on the right is the earth leakage, to
>>>> prevent shocks. It trips if 30mA or more is not accounted for (it
>>>> compares live to neutral and if any is missing it must have gone to
>>>> earth, possibly through you, so it trips). Unfortunately you have the
>>>> cheap setup with only one of them, so the whole house will go off [1].
>>>> It also functions as a 100A limiter for the whole house, which should
>>>> trip before the 100A electricity board fuse by your meter does, if you
>>>> were to use that much, or something shorted inside the box, like a wire
>>>> coming loose.
>>>
>>> It's the large, main breaker, is the one that trips with the iron. The
>>> small one's don't ever seem to need resetting!
>>
>> Seems your iron has a loose wire and is leaking power to earth. Or
>> through your wife.
>
> It's intermittent. The very worst kind of fault. Perhaps every seventh
> time she uses the iron. After a reset everything works fine again
> (including my Mrs!)

Just open it and check for loose things. The iron that is.

>>>> The others are just limiters and work exactly like fuses, to stop you
>>>> using more than 32A on the socket circuit for example,to prevent a
>>>> fire. I'm assuming the 4th from the left (downstairs power) is what
>>>> tripped when the iron was used, which means you have a very dodgy iron
>>>> exceeding 32 amps when it's meant to use about 8.
>>>
>>> No, as I said above, it's the main breaker which trips!
>>>
>>>> [1] The fancy ones have earth leakage built into every breaker, so if
>>>> you get a shock you only trip that one circuit and the lights don't go
>>>> off, which is precisely what you don't want when up a ladder!
>>>
>>> Understood - but I didn't choose it!
>>
>> I have fuses :-)
>
> Ha! Yet MY house, the original part, was built in 1850!

Oh. A previous owner did one of those rewiring things you're meant to do. If it ain't broke don't fix it. When I were a lad (80s) I remember someone's house with the good old round pin sockets! My primary school had them too. Then some health and softy moron introduced a plug in circuit breaker for the BBC computer we used. It tripped every half an hour, possibly from the CUB monitor sending static to the chassis or the person touching it. I took it home for an expert friend of my dad to repair (then just opened it myself and bypassed it). That made it stop tripping :-)

>>>>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so
>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>>>>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
>>>>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>>>>
>>>> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.
>>>
>>> I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
>>> of just 55?
>>
>> I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans.
>> 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.
>
> I'm not certain you are right about this. :-(

It says so on the pension documents I get every 6 months with the news about investments or something.

> May I suggest you apply for a pension forecast?
> https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
>
> You might be in for a REALLY nasty shock. :-(

It's not the state pension I'm referring to.

>>>>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
>>>>>>>>> timeline
>>>>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now
>>>>>>>> covid
>>>>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> kills far more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the
>>>>>>>> "timeout" -
>>>>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
>>>>>>>> time. If
>>>>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it
>>>>>>>> gets to
>>>>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to
>>>>>>> trigger my
>>>>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
>>>>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
>>>> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
>>>> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
>>>
>>> Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
>>
>> I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.
>
> Nor be seen in a Roller, eh?!!

What on earth has a Rolls Royce to do with an Apple?

>> But what exactly is the problem? You blow where the dust settles. If
>> that's hidden away deeply, you can blow through a straw, or get an air
>> canister (aerosol without any deoderant in it basically).
>
> Yes, I have used such cannisters.

I just use my mouth.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really OT: I can recall when we were driving around the UK on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the '50s and the RAC/AA (can't remember as I was <10) man on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike/sidecar combo used to salute after seeing the badge on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of our hire car. I really don't think I'd swap that for no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no decent roads, no mobile phones, etc though. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that was a salute? The AA started as a warning for
>>>>>>>>>>>> speed
>>>>>>>>>>>> cameras. If you had the badge and there was a cop ahead, the AA
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> warn you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's substantiating evidence too!
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theaa.com/about-us/aa-history/timeline
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1865: 4mph limit
>>>>>>>>>> 1897: 14mph
>>>>>>>>>> 1903: 20mph
>>>>>>>>>> 1966: 70mph
>>>>>>>>>> Isn't it about time they increased it again?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I once would have agreed with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you no longer agree?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Far too much traffic on the roads I've travelled in recent times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The congestion is *because* we're driving slowly!
>>>>>
>>>>> That may well be true at times. At other times, there are too many
>>>>> vehicles on the road.
>>>>
>>>> If we all drove at double the speed and halved the "safety gap", we
>>>> could fit 4 times as many cars on the road.
>>>
>>> We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
>>> like a train!
>>
>> Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were
>> safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot
>> away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.
>
> I get what you say - but it's not for me.


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 by: geoff - Thu, 5 May 2022 22:55 UTC

On 6/05/2022 3:24 am, David Brooks wrote:
> On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks
>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks
>>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks

>
>> We will run out of Lithium.....
>
> We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)
>

Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a
dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his extended
diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other newsgroups.

geoff

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 by: Savageduck - Fri, 6 May 2022 02:23 UTC

On 2022-05-05 22:55:54 +0000, geoff said:

> On 6/05/2022 3:24 am, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
>
>>
>>> We will run out of Lithium.....
>>
>> We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)
>>
>
> Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a
> dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his
> extended diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other
> newsgroups.
>
> geoff

Agreed!
DB does nothing but pollute newsgroups totally Off topic crud, and odd
behavior.
I have him effectively filtered, unfortunately the pollution, and
damage are all too evident.
--
Regards,
Savageduck

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 by: Commander Kinsey - Fri, 6 May 2022 10:24 UTC

On Fri, 06 May 2022 03:23:53 +0100, wrote:

> On 2022-05-05 22:55:54 +0000, geoff said:
>
>> On 6/05/2022 3:24 am, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 05/05/2022 12:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <DGB@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 07:49:59 +0100, David Brooks
>>
>>>
>>>> We will run out of Lithium.....
>>>
>>> We will. We'll invent another way! ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Wouldn't it be great if David Brooks/Commander Kinsey could set up a
>> dedicated newsgroup of his own, fuck off, and and carry out his
>> extended diatribes with himself there rather than polluting other
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> geoff
>
> Agreed!
> DB does nothing but pollute newsgroups totally Off topic crud, and odd
> behavior.
> I have him effectively filtered, unfortunately the pollution, and
> damage are all too evident.

You have him ineffectively filtered, or you wouldn't be reading this thread. It says David Brooks right up there!!!!!! Come on! What shit are you using to filter?!

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