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by: Jan Panteltje - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 05:31 UTC

There is a new form of keyless car theft that works in under 2 minutes

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/crooks-are-stealing-cars-using-previously-unknown-keyless-can-injection-attacks/

Taking control of the CAN bus

Old diesel with no electronics was much better :-)

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by: Fred Bloggs - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 13:39 UTC

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> There is a new form of keyless car theft that works in under 2 minutes
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/crooks-are-stealing-cars-using-previously-unknown-keyless-can-injection-attacks/
>
> Taking control of the CAN bus
>
> Old diesel with no electronics was much better :-)

We need more of this:

Texas man uses Apple Airtag to track down stolen truck, then shoots, kills suspect: police

https://www.fox4news.com/news/san-antonio-texas-apple-airtag-stolen-truck-suspect-killed-police

If the thieves think someone may come gunning for them, they'll stop. Nothing less works on that mentality.

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by: Ed Lee - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 13:51 UTC

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 6:39:34 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > There is a new form of keyless car theft that works in under 2 minutes
> >
> > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/crooks-are-stealing-cars-using-previously-unknown-keyless-can-injection-attacks/
> >
> > Taking control of the CAN bus
> >
> > Old diesel with no electronics was much better :-)
> We need more of this:
>
> Texas man uses Apple Airtag to track down stolen truck, then shoots, kills suspect: police

Why bother? I am going to mount an AR-15 inside the car, with AI trigger and protection, but don't shoot me!!!

>
> https://www.fox4news.com/news/san-antonio-texas-apple-airtag-stolen-truck-suspect-killed-police
>
> If the thieves think someone may come gunning for them, they'll stop. Nothing less works on that mentality.

I want to stop them before they break the window.

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by: Fred Bloggs - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 14:08 UTC

On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 9:51:15 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 6:39:34 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > > There is a new form of keyless car theft that works in under 2 minutes
> > >
> > > https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/crooks-are-stealing-cars-using-previously-unknown-keyless-can-injection-attacks/
> > >
> > > Taking control of the CAN bus
> > >
> > > Old diesel with no electronics was much better :-)
> > We need more of this:
> >
> > Texas man uses Apple Airtag to track down stolen truck, then shoots, kills suspect: police
> Why bother? I am going to mount an AR-15 inside the car, with AI trigger and protection, but don't shoot me!!!
> >
> > https://www.fox4news.com/news/san-antonio-texas-apple-airtag-stolen-truck-suspect-killed-police
> >
> > If the thieves think someone may come gunning for them, they'll stop. Nothing less works on that mentality.
> I want to stop them before they break the window.

Then there was this fool- what did he think they would do, be ashamed and say they're sorry. Be armed or don't confront anyone.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/exclusive-man-tracks-his-stolen-motorcycle-in-brooklyn-then-gets-in-fight-with-suspected-thieves/

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by: boB - Sat, 8 Apr 2023 23:41 UTC

On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 1:32:01?AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> There is a new form of keyless car theft that works in under 2 minutes
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/crooks-are-stealing-cars-using-previously-unknown-keyless-can-injection-attacks/
>>
>> Taking control of the CAN bus
>>
>> Old diesel with no electronics was much better :-)
>
>We need more of this:
>
>Texas man uses Apple Airtag to track down stolen truck, then shoots, kills suspect: police
>
>https://www.fox4news.com/news/san-antonio-texas-apple-airtag-stolen-truck-suspect-killed-police
>

>If the thieves think someone may come gunning for them, they'll stop. Nothing less works on that mentality.

That is a satisfying outcome but I don't think that tracking down and
killing the suspect yourself would be legal even in Texas.

I know it is not legal here in Washington... But maybe Texas has a
track and kill clause

boB

In order to dial out, it is necessary to broaden one's dimension.

tech / sci.electronics.design / Re: Taking control of the CAN bus, new form of car theft

Subject	Author
Taking control of the CAN bus, new form of car theft	Jan Panteltje
Re: Taking control of the CAN bus, new form of car theft	Fred Bloggs
Re: Taking control of the CAN bus, new form of car theft	Ed Lee
Re: Taking control of the CAN bus, new form of car theft	Fred Bloggs
Re: Taking control of the CAN bus, new form of car theft	boB