Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
Who can do it?

Mitchell Raemsch

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
> that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
> Who can do it?
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
Mitch! You have entered your Job period.

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding....
Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.

On 7/17/2023 8:27 PM, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
>> that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
>> Who can do it?
>>
>> Mitchell Raemsch
> Mitch! You have entered your Job period.
>
> Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding....
> Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
> Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.

When I ponder on "god" sometimes I wonder if it was never created, for
it was always there and will always be there. This "god" has no memory
of growing up. It was always there! Strange to me. Humm... wow.

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:30:35 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/17/2023 8:27 PM, patdolan wrote:
> > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
> >> that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
> >> Who can do it?
> >>
> >> Mitchell Raemsch
> > Mitch! You have entered your Job period.
> >
> > Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding....
> > Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
> > Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
> When I ponder on "god" sometimes I wonder if it was never created, for
> it was always there and will always be there. This "god" has no memory
> of growing up. It was always there! Strange to me. Humm... wow.

What does that prove? God is God.
He didn't have to create Himself. He does not exist on man's terms...
He is Math before man's existence.

On 7/18/2023 12:30 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/17/2023 8:27 PM, patdolan wrote:
>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
>>> that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
>>> Who can do it?
>>>
>>> Mitchell Raemsch
>> Mitch! You have entered your Job period.
>>
>> Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if
>> thou hast understanding....
>> Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
>> Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon
>> my mouth.
>
> When I ponder on "god" sometimes I wonder if it was never created, for
> it was always there and will always be there. This "god" has no memory
> of growing up. It was always there! Strange to me. Humm... wow.

OTOH would an empty universe be anything at all? Those of us invested
in science have lived all our lives with a cause and effect dichotomy.
Are we too quick to accept the effect (a universe and all that entails)
absent a cause? Interestingly that there are no good answers is the
beauty of life, and everything.

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:44:54 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 7/18/2023 12:30 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > On 7/17/2023 8:27 PM, patdolan wrote:
> >> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
> >>> that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
> >>> Who can do it?
> >>>
> >>> Mitchell Raemsch
> >> Mitch! You have entered your Job period.
> >>
> >> Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if
> >> thou hast understanding....
> >> Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
> >> Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon
> >> my mouth.
> >
> > When I ponder on "god" sometimes I wonder if it was never created, for
> > it was always there and will always be there. This "god" has no memory
> > of growing up. It was always there! Strange to me. Humm... wow.
> OTOH would an empty universe be anything at all? Those of us invested
> in science have lived all our lives with a cause and effect dichotomy.
> Are we too quick to accept the effect (a universe and all that entails)
> absent a cause? Interestingly that there are no good answers is the
> beauty of life, and everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYAsaU9IvnI

This YouTuber declares that material is not the primary stuff of the universe. Information is. Material is an epiphenomenon of, and emerges from information.

Information is independent of matter. Information needn't be imprinted on, or contain within matter. Non-material electromagnetic waves contain and covey information just fine.

Are we caught in the same vicious cycle of cause and effect when it comes to information? No. New information is creatio ex nihilo. Even humans can do it.

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
> that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
> Who can do it?
>
> Mitchell Raemsch
Mitch, my boy, don't put too much faith in mathematics until you've studied under the YouTube math phenom Prof. Norman Wildberger. He is happy to demonstrate that almost all of our finest and most useful math is not logically pinned down or anchored in the reality we know. We must learn to be content with the positive integers and their rational offspring. We must relearn to be content with but these, as Professor W. has. Everything started going south with the invention of negative magnitudes. And don't get me started about infinities or the imaginary number.

On 7/18/2023 5:08 PM, patdolan wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 9:44:54 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 7/18/2023 12:30 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 7/17/2023 8:27 PM, patdolan wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
>>>>> that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
>>>>> Who can do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Raemsch
>>>> Mitch! You have entered your Job period.
>>>>
>>>> Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if
>>>> thou hast understanding....
>>>> Then Job answered the Lord, and said,
>>>> Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon
>>>> my mouth.
>>>
>>> When I ponder on "god" sometimes I wonder if it was never created, for
>>> it was always there and will always be there. This "god" has no memory
>>> of growing up. It was always there! Strange to me. Humm... wow.
>> OTOH would an empty universe be anything at all? Those of us invested
>> in science have lived all our lives with a cause and effect dichotomy.
>> Are we too quick to accept the effect (a universe and all that entails)
>> absent a cause? Interestingly that there are no good answers is the
>> beauty of life, and everything.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYAsaU9IvnI
>
> This YouTuber declares that material is not the primary stuff of the universe. Information is. Material is an epiphenomenon of, and emerges from information.
>
> Information is independent of matter. Information needn't be imprinted on, or contain within matter. Non-material electromagnetic waves contain and covey information just fine.
>
> Are we caught in the same vicious cycle of cause and effect when it comes to information? No. New information is creatio ex nihilo. Even humans can do it.

Given an empty universe devoid of any matter or energy please
explain to me what sort of information could exist? Do you
think that mathematics, for example, could exist without
he context of matter or energy?

That, BTW, is the extent to which my interest extends because
I think the guy is a nutcase, very much a bicycle without wheels.

I guess the short version is humans cannot create something out
of nothing and there's no question that information is something.

On Wednesday, 19 July 2023 at 01:46:46 UTC+2, whodat wrote:

> I guess the short version is humans cannot create something out
> of nothing and there's no question that information is something.

And there's no question that a lot of information
is made of nothing; your pseudophilosophy sucks.

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 3:21:48 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
> > that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
> > Who can do it?
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> Mitch, my boy, don't put too much faith in mathematics until you've studied under the YouTube math phenom Prof. Norman Wildberger. He is happy to demonstrate that almost all of our finest and most useful math is not logically pinned down or anchored in the reality we know. We must learn to be content with the positive integers and their rational offspring. We must relearn to be content with but these, as Professor W. has. Everything started going south with the invention of negative magnitudes. And don't get me started about infinities or the imaginary number.

I have my own mathematical mind but I like like minded people pat.

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 3:21:48 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
> > > that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
> > > Who can do it?
> > >
> > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > Mitch, my boy, don't put too much faith in mathematics until you've studied under the YouTube math phenom Prof. Norman Wildberger. He is happy to demonstrate that almost all of our finest and most useful math is not logically pinned down or anchored in the reality we know. We must learn to be content with the positive integers and their rational offspring. We must relearn to be content with but these, as Professor W. has. Everything started going south with the invention of negative magnitudes
>
> I have my own mathematical mind but I like like minded people pat.

Where is the math in a flower?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:22:38 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 3:21:48 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
> > > > that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
> > > > Who can do it?
> > > >
> > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > Mitch, my boy, don't put too much faith in mathematics until you've studied under the YouTube math phenom Prof. Norman Wildberger. He is happy to demonstrate that almost all of our finest and most useful math is not logically pinned down or anchored in the reality we know. We must learn to be content with the positive integers and their rational offspring. We must relearn to be content with but these, as Professor W. has. Everything started going south with the invention of negative magnitudes
> >
> > I have my own mathematical mind but I like like minded people pat.
> Where is the math in a flower?
>
>
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge
> the unchallengeable.
They say there is a Fibonacci sequence wrt sunflower seeds whilst still on the flower.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:29:09 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:22:38 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 3:21:48 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Look back to the absolute beginning... or the mathematical BB.
> > > > > that was God Math before us. Who can disprove God Math?
> > > > > Who can do it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
> > > > Mitch, my boy, don't put too much faith in mathematics until you've studied under the YouTube math phenom Prof. Norman Wildberger. He is happy to demonstrate that almost all of our finest and most useful math is not logically pinned down or anchored in the reality we know. We must learn to be content with the positive integers and their rational offspring. We must relearn to be content with but these, as Professor W. has. Everything started going south with the invention of negative magnitudes
> > >
> > > I have my own mathematical mind but I like like minded people pat.
> > Where is the math in a flower?

What is an unbroken symmetry?

> >
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
> They say there is a Fibonacci sequence wrt sunflower seeds whilst still on the flower.