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* SRT interactivewugi
`* Re: SRT interactiveMaciej Wozniak
 +* Re: SRT interactiveAthel Cornish-Bowden
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 |`* Re: SRT interactiveRichard Hachel
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       `* Re: SRT interactivepatdolan
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         `* Oil or water?Richard Hachel
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 by: wugi - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 09:46 UTC

Hello all. I have made some interactive desmos graphs showing and
explaining key features of SRT. Hope you'll like them 😉

- Light clocks:

Light clocks and why there is time dilation:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/zlplep7g5k?lang=nl

Light clocks and why there is length contraction:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/hpxundkvzt?lang=nl

Light clocks and why there is relativistic simultaneity:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/7h1h4jvzno?lang=nl

- Actually *looking at* relativistic motion:

A grid:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/8v5dcl4vsc?lang=nl

A circle:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/wro2cw8waz?lang=nl

A joined circle and square:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/mi5wrf6jhz?lang=nl

A train passing by an observer on a platform:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/lpmvnjzwuy?lang=nl

Ditto in perspective:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/dhf7iuymej?lang=nl

A TP (Twin Paradox) simulator!:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ctr5flpzjg?lang=nl

Thanks for reading.

--
guido wugi

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 09:50 UTC

On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 11:46:26 UTC+2, wugi wrote:
> Hello all. I have made some interactive desmos graphs showing and
> explaining key features of SRT. Hope you'll like them 😉

And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden by your
bunch of idiots "improper" clocks keep measurung improper t'=t
in improper seconds.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:44 UTC

On 2023-07-20 09:50:09 +0000, Maciej Wozniak said:

> On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 11:46:26 UTC+2, wugi wrote:
>> Hello all. I have made some interactive desmos graphs showing and>
>> explaining key features of SRT. Hope you'll like them 😉
> And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden by your
> bunch of idiots "improper" clocks keep measurung improper t'=tin
> improper seconds.

750

Isn't it time you learned how to copy and paste? It'll save you a lot
of time if you don't have to type the same slogans every time. But
maybe you don't have anything better to use your time for.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:17 UTC

On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 14:44:10 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-07-20 09:50:09 +0000, Maciej Wozniak said:
>
> > On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 11:46:26 UTC+2, wugi wrote:
> >> Hello all. I have made some interactive desmos graphs showing and>
> >> explaining key features of SRT. Hope you'll like them 😉
> > And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden by your
> > bunch of idiots "improper" clocks keep measurung improper t'=tin
> > improper seconds.
> 750
>
> Isn't it time you learned how to copy and paste? It'll save you a lot
> of time if you don't have to type the same slogans every time. But
> maybe you don't have anything better to use your time for.

I can type it faster than find it, poor halfbrain.
No way it's your problem, of course. I've proven
your moronic religion to be inconsistent, and you
can't do anything about it apart of spitting
and insulting, so you're spitting and insulting.

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From: r.hac...@frite.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Thu, 20 Jul 2023 20:30 UTC

Le 20/07/2023 à 11:50, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden by your
> bunch of idiots "improper" clocks keep measurung improper t'=t
> in improper seconds.

Maciej, I allow myself to intervene on your post, because what you say is
not right.
I completely agree, there are many problems with the theory of relativity,
even in special relativity, where a good third of the equations and
concepts are wrong, complex, or useless.
I don't ask for more than you say.
I ask nothing better than others to try to correct the serious errors that
are found there (Langevin traveler in apparent speeds completely
ridiculous among physicists, false equations in accelerated frames of
reference, forgetting of spatial anisochrony, impasse on the relativistic
zoom effect predicted by Poincaré's transformations, general arrogance,
madness of the spinning relativistic disk).
The errors are multiple and gross.
It is therefore logical that people who are a little more "thoughtful"
give their opinion and bring their dispute.
Just the way you're doing it is hurting us.

You speak, for example, of the invariance of times in SR.
You say: "t'=t".
It is false, of course.
And this harms the truth and the understanding of things.
I wrote, already, on the page which precedes the transformations of
Lorentz which I myself gave, and which I will give you as an example if
you want (there is enough for a complete page), this little piece of page
which I am copying for you here.
It is easy to see there that there is dilation of time, and that time is
relative (ie the chronotropy of watches) by change of frame of reference.

<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?duh6JXFyFTmMu-g_xFS-T7CXlCw@jntp/Data.Media:1>

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:14 UTC

On Thursday, 20 July 2023 at 22:30:39 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 20/07/2023 à 11:50, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden by your
> > bunch of idiots "improper" clocks keep measurung improper t'=t
> > in improper seconds.
> Maciej, I allow myself to intervene on your post, because what you say is
> not right.

Yes, it is. Your concept of time and clocks may look great
but it's unusable.

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 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:03 UTC

Le 21/07/2023 à 06:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> Yes, it is. Your concept of time and clocks may look great
> but it's unusable.

The beautiful is the splendor of the true.
My concepts are much more beautiful than the false and abstract doctrines
in progress today.
If a theory is beautiful, it is not necessarily true. I admit it.
But if a theory is ugly, it must be wrong.
Minkowski space, the 4D universe block, is very ugly; the equations
bearing sir the accelerated frames of reference are very ugly; a
description of Langevin's voyageur in apparent speed is grotesque, absurd
and contradictory: all this is necessarily not true.
Now, you bear a great responsibility by not seeking what is true.
It is good to castigate a flawed theory, but it is not good to go back and
take a Newtonian theory that is no longer relevant.
I repeat, it is good that you seek to impose other views on humanity, but
the way you do so hurts us. Asking t'=t is ridiculous and scientifically
useless.

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:14 UTC

On Friday, 21 July 2023 at 13:03:19 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:

> I repeat, it is good that you seek to impose other views on humanity, but
> the way you do so hurts us. Asking t'=t is ridiculous and scientifically
> useless.

Nobody cares. The clocks, you know, are not some
toys invented for the fun of those like you. They will
keep measuring t'=t, and you can scream "we're
FORCED!!!" or just kiss your ass - it's not going
to change anything.

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From: r.hac...@frite.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:38 UTC

Le 21/07/2023 à 13:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> Nobody cares. The clocks, you know, are not some
> toys invented for the fun of those like you. They will
> keep measuring t'=t, and you can scream "we're
> FORCED!!!" or just kiss your ass - it's not going
> to change anything.

On relativistic physics forums, there are two equally stupid behaviors.
The first stupid behavior is that of the Newtonians, who want to return to
the classical physics of the Middle Ages.
It's your behavior. It is not serious, and it is ultra-minority.
This is innocent and fun behavior.
The other behavior is that of physicists, filled with smugness and
arrogance, and who say: "It's not Doctor Hachel who is going to become
king over us with his Judeo-Christian theology and his shitty relativity".

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 11:45 UTC

On Friday, 21 July 2023 at 13:38:38 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 21/07/2023 à 13:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > Nobody cares. The clocks, you know, are not some
> > toys invented for the fun of those like you. They will
> > keep measuring t'=t, and you can scream "we're
> > FORCED!!!" or just kiss your ass - it's not going
> > to change anything.
> On relativistic physics forums, there are two equally stupid behaviors.
> The first stupid behavior is that of the Newtonians, who want to return to
> the classical physics of the Middle Ages.
> It's your behavior. It is not serious, and it is ultra-minority.

Nope. There is a whole world outside "relativistic physics
forums". It's you and your fellow idiots who are ultra-minority.
And the clocks will keep measuring t'=t, no matter how
loudly you'll rave.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:42 UTC

On 2023-07-21 11:38:35 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

> Le 21/07/2023 à 13:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> Nobody cares. The clocks, you know, are not some toys invented for
>> the fun of those like you. They will
>> keep measuring t'=t, and you can scream "we're FORCED!!!" or just kiss
>> your ass - it's not going
>> to change anything.
>
> On relativistic physics forums, there are two equally stupid behaviors.
> The first stupid behavior is that of the Newtonians, who want to return
> to the classical physics of the Middle Ages.
> It's your behavior. It is not serious, and it is ultra-minority.
> This is innocent and fun behavior.
> The other behavior is that of physicists, filled with smugness and
> arrogance, and who say: "It's not Doctor Hachel

Who is "Doctor" Hachel? Which university awarded his doctorate? On the
basis of what research?

You may be getting tired of being asked these questions, but I'm
getting tired of your refusal to answer them.

> who is going to become king over us with his Judeo-Christian theology
> and his shitty relativity".
>
> R.H.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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 by: patdolan - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 13:59 UTC

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:43:01 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-07-21 11:38:35 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
>
> > Le 21/07/2023 à 13:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> >> Nobody cares. The clocks, you know, are not some toys invented for
> >> the fun of those like you. They will
> >> keep measuring t'=t, and you can scream "we're FORCED!!!" or just kiss
> >> your ass - it's not going
> >> to change anything.
> >
> > On relativistic physics forums, there are two equally stupid behaviors.
> > The first stupid behavior is that of the Newtonians, who want to return
> > to the classical physics of the Middle Ages.
> > It's your behavior. It is not serious, and it is ultra-minority.
> > This is innocent and fun behavior.
> > The other behavior is that of physicists, filled with smugness and
> > arrogance, and who say: "It's not Doctor Hachel
> Who is "Doctor" Hachel? Which university awarded his doctorate? On the
> basis of what research?
>
> You may be getting tired of being asked these questions, but I'm
> getting tired of your refusal to answer them.
> > who is going to become king over us with his Judeo-Christian theology
> > and his shitty relativity".
> >
> > R.H.
> --
> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
Doctor Hachel is a medical doctor and was once one of the finest neurasthenia surgeons in the world. He gave up a lucrative practice to devote his full time to the study of physics and Christianity, in that order.

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From: r.hac...@frite.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:27 UTC

Le 20/07/2023 à 14:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> Isn't it time you learned how to copy and paste? It'll save you a lot
> of time if you don't have to type the same slogans every time. But
> maybe you don't have anything better to use your time for.

It's true that it's a shame to use your time for that, when there's so
much better to do.
We have the same thing in France with Python.
He spends his time spitting on everyone he doesn't like, never produces
anything, and rots the forums.
All this human folly is very sad.

R.H.

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:31 UTC

On Friday, 21 July 2023 at 16:28:03 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 20/07/2023 à 14:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> > Isn't it time you learned how to copy and paste? It'll save you a lot
> > of time if you don't have to type the same slogans every time. But
> > maybe you don't have anything better to use your time for.
> It's true that it's a shame to use your time for that, when there's so
> much better to do.
> We have the same thing in France with Python.
> He spends his time spitting on everyone he doesn't like, never produces
> anything, and rots the forums.
> All this human folly is very sad.

And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden by your
bunch of idiots "improper" clocks keep measurung improper t'=t
in improper seconds.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 17:07 UTC

On 2023-07-21 13:59:33 +0000, patdolan said:

> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 5:43:01 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-07-21 11:38:35 +0000, Richard Hachel said:>> > Le 21/07/2023 à
>> 13:14, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :> >> Nobody cares. The clocks, you know,
>> are not some toys invented for> >> the fun of those like you. They
>> will> >> keep measuring t'=t, and you can scream "we're FORCED!!!" or
>> just kiss> >> your ass - it's not going> >> to change anything.> >> >
>> On relativistic physics forums, there are two equally stupid
>> behaviors.> > The first stupid behavior is that of the Newtonians, who
>> want to return> > to the classical physics of the Middle Ages.> > It's
>> your behavior. It is not serious, and it is ultra-minority.> > This is
>> innocent and fun behavior.> > The other behavior is that of physicists,
>> filled with smugness and> > arrogance, and who say: "It's not Doctor
>> Hachel
>> Who is "Doctor" Hachel? Which university awarded his doctorate? On the>
>> basis of what research?>> You may be getting tired of being asked these
>> questions, but I'm> getting tired of your refusal to answer them.
>>> who is going to become king over us with his Judeo-Christian theology>
>>> > and his shitty relativity".> >> > R.H.
>> --
>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> Doctor Hachel is a medical doctor

I've already said that I have no difficulty believing that Dr. Lengrand
is qualified to practise medicine.

The doubt is whether "Dr." Hachel has any qualifications for setting
out his crackpottery about subjects that have nothing to do with
medicine.

> and was once one of the finest neurasthenia surgeons in the world.

No doubt you have as much evidence for this claim as you have for all
the nonsense you write, i.e. none. If you have evidence, let us know
what it is. A search of the web for Lengrand neurasthenia yields
nothing.

> He gave up a lucrative practice to devote his full time to the study
> of physics and Christianity, in that order.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

Oil or water?

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 by: Richard Hachel - Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:13 UTC

Le 21/07/2023 à 19:07, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> On 2023-07-21 13:59:33 +0000, patdolan said:
> The doubt is whether "Dr." Hachel has any qualifications for setting
> out his crackpottery about subjects that have nothing to do with
> medicine.

When you don't know something, you have to test and search.

The question that arises is not doctor Hachel thing, doctor Hachel patati
patata...
The question is: is what he says relevant or not?

Is what he says true or not?

When he talks about theology, sociology, philosophy, politics, is he above
average or not? In relativity, does it explain things very clearly or not?

How do you know without reading it?
You guys are smart people, be smart.
Read! Compare! Think!

Is it kosher oil or is it tasteless water?
How to know?

Do a test, put some oil in the water and shake very hard.

At first, we don't know it's oil.

But little by little, with patience, we notice that the oil rises little
by little, and we understand that it is oil. It separates from the water.

If you don't experiment, if you're lazy, you'll never know if it's oil or
water.

R.H.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sat, 22 Jul 2023 07:13 UTC

On 2023-07-21 19:13:58 +0000, "Dr." Richard Hachel said:

> Le 21/07/2023 à 19:07, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>> On 2023-07-21 13:59:33 +0000, patdolan said:
>> The doubt is whether "Dr." Hachel has any qualifications for setting
>> out his crackpottery about subjects that have nothing to do with
>> medicine.
>
> When you don't know something, you have to test and search.
>
> The question that arises is not doctor Hachel thing, doctor Hachel

If it's not important why do you prefix so many of your statements with
"Dr. Hachel"? If I were German I could prefix my name with "Dr. Dr.",
but I'm not German, so I have to be content with "Dr." But I don't,
because it has no relevance, and in any case my doctorates are not in
physics.

> patati patata...
> The question is: is what he says relevant or not?

That's an easy one: no
>
> Is what he says true or not?

Another easy one: no
>
> When he talks about theology, sociology, philosophy, politics, is he
> above average or not?

No idea. I don't read any of your ravings on these subjects

> In relativity, does it explain things very clearly or not?

No
>
> How do you know without reading it?
> You guys are smart people, be smart.
> Read! Compare! Think!
>
> Is it kosher oil or is it tasteless water?
> How to know?

If you can't tell the difference between oil and water without doing
you silly experiment then you are even further gone than I thought.
>
> Do a test, put some oil in the water and shake very hard.
>
> At first, we don't know it's oil.
>
> But little by little, with patience, we notice that the oil rises
> little by little, and we understand that it is oil. It separates from
> the water.
>
> If you don't experiment, if you're lazy, you'll never know if it's oil
> or water.
>
> R.H.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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 by: patdolan - Sat, 22 Jul 2023 08:31 UTC

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 12:14:00 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-07-21 19:13:58 +0000, "Dr." Richard Hachel said:
>
> > Le 21/07/2023 à 19:07, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> >> On 2023-07-21 13:59:33 +0000, patdolan said:
> >> The doubt is whether "Dr." Hachel has any qualifications for setting
> >> out his crackpottery about subjects that have nothing to do with
> >> medicine.
> >
> > When you don't know something, you have to test and search.
> >
> > The question that arises is not doctor Hachel thing, doctor Hachel
> If it's not important why do you prefix so many of your statements with
> "Dr. Hachel"? If I were German I could prefix my name with "Dr. Dr.",
> but I'm not German, so I have to be content with "Dr." But I don't,
> because it has no relevance, and in any case my doctorates are not in
> physics.
Athel, you have obviously derived a lot of prestige from your doctorate throughout your lifetime. But I can tell you that in the USA, PhDs are about a dime a dozen. A quarter of the baristas in Seattle have one. A PhD is usually more indicative of that person's ego quotient than his/her intelligence quotient. Especially in these times of wokeness and attacks on free speech and free thought even the calculus is under suspicion as a means of imposing systemic racism. In the midst of this information revolution with all the new information being developed and the old information being called into question, one can't help but look upon a PhD candidate or a freshly minted PhD with a mixture of sympathy and contempt. A lifetime of indebtedness for obsolete information. I guess a PhD does extend a student's collegiate sex career. It is a known fact that any illegal Mexican laborer on any Seattle job site drives a newer vehicle than any Seattle PhD.

Sadly, this point of view is starting to become true of medical doctors also.

> > patati patata...
> > The question is: is what he says relevant or not?
> That's an easy one: no
> >
> > Is what he says true or not?
> Another easy one: no
> >
> > When he talks about theology, sociology, philosophy, politics, is he
> > above average or not?
> No idea. I don't read any of your ravings on these subjects
> > In relativity, does it explain things very clearly or not?
> No
> >
> > How do you know without reading it?
> > You guys are smart people, be smart.
> > Read! Compare! Think!
> >
> > Is it kosher oil or is it tasteless water?
> > How to know?
> If you can't tell the difference between oil and water without doing
> you silly experiment then you are even further gone than I thought.
> >
> > Do a test, put some oil in the water and shake very hard.
> >
> > At first, we don't know it's oil.
> >
> > But little by little, with patience, we notice that the oil rises
> > little by little, and we understand that it is oil. It separates from
> > the water.
> >
> > If you don't experiment, if you're lazy, you'll never know if it's oil
> > or water.
> >
> > R.H.
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
> in England until 1987.

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On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:31:54 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 12:14:00 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > On 2023-07-21 19:13:58 +0000, "Dr." Richard Hachel said:
> >
> > > Le 21/07/2023 à 19:07, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> > >> On 2023-07-21 13:59:33 +0000, patdolan said:
> > >> The doubt is whether "Dr." Hachel has any qualifications for setting
> > >> out his crackpottery about subjects that have nothing to do with
> > >> medicine.
> > >
> > > When you don't know something, you have to test and search.
> > >
> > > The question that arises is not doctor Hachel thing, doctor Hachel
> > If it's not important why do you prefix so many of your statements with
> > "Dr. Hachel"? If I were German I could prefix my name with "Dr. Dr.",
> > but I'm not German, so I have to be content with "Dr." But I don't,
> > because it has no relevance, and in any case my doctorates are not in
> > physics.
> Athel, you have obviously derived a lot of prestige from your doctorate throughout your lifetime. But I can tell you that in the USA, PhDs are about a dime a dozen. A quarter of the baristas in Seattle have one. A PhD is usually more indicative of that person's ego quotient than his/her intelligence quotient. Especially in these times of wokeness and attacks on free speech and free thought even the calculus is under suspicion as a means of imposing systemic racism. In the midst of this information revolution with all the new information being developed and the old information being called into question, one can't help but look upon a PhD candidate or a freshly minted PhD with a mixture of sympathy and contempt. A lifetime of indebtedness for obsolete information. I guess a PhD does extend a student's collegiate sex career. It is a known fact that any illegal Mexican laborer on any Seattle job site drives a newer vehicle than any Seattle PhD.

I make one proviso. If you are a Seattle PhD, but earned your PhD in India or Asia, then you are making big bucks. Seattle Tech does not hire Seattle/American graduates. We maintain some of the worst institutions of higher learning to be found anywhere on earth. The University of Washington is a woke, fascist, racist, thought-controlling, radical progressive parochial stain on our city. It's endowments should be distributed to the students it defrauded out of tuition and it's generous land holdings sold off. It is an institution whose services are no longer needed in the world of ChatGPT.
>
> Sadly, this point of view is starting to become true of medical doctors also.
> > > patati patata...
> > > The question is: is what he says relevant or not?
> > That's an easy one: no
> > >
> > > Is what he says true or not?
> > Another easy one: no
> > >
> > > When he talks about theology, sociology, philosophy, politics, is he
> > > above average or not?
> > No idea. I don't read any of your ravings on these subjects
> > > In relativity, does it explain things very clearly or not?
> > No
> > >
> > > How do you know without reading it?
> > > You guys are smart people, be smart.
> > > Read! Compare! Think!
> > >
> > > Is it kosher oil or is it tasteless water?
> > > How to know?
> > If you can't tell the difference between oil and water without doing
> > you silly experiment then you are even further gone than I thought.
> > >
> > > Do a test, put some oil in the water and shake very hard.
> > >
> > > At first, we don't know it's oil.
> > >
> > > But little by little, with patience, we notice that the oil rises
> > > little by little, and we understand that it is oil. It separates from
> > > the water.
> > >
> > > If you don't experiment, if you're lazy, you'll never know if it's oil
> > > or water.
> > >
> > > R.H.
> > --
> > Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
> > in England until 1987.

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On 2023-07-22 08:31:52 +0000, patdolan said:

> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 12:14:00 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-07-21 19:13:58 +0000, "Dr." Richard Hachel said:>> > Le
>> 21/07/2023 à 19:07, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :> >> On 2023-07-21
>> 13:59:33 +0000, patdolan said:> >> The doubt is whether "Dr." Hachel
>> has any qualifications for setting> >> out his crackpottery about
>> subjects that have nothing to do with> >> medicine.> >> > When you
>> don't know something, you have to test and search.> >> > The question
>> that arises is not doctor Hachel thing, doctor Hachel
>> If it's not important why do you prefix so many of your statements
>> with> "Dr. Hachel"? If I were German I could prefix my name with "Dr.
>> Dr.",> but I'm not German, so I have to be content with "Dr." But I
>> don't,> because it has no relevance, and in any case my doctorates are
>> not in> physics.
> Athel, you have obviously derived a lot of prestige from your doctorate
> throughout your lifetime.

How little you know about scientific research. Yes, a D.Phil. from a
reputable university is useful for getting a first job. After that, no
one cares what doctorate you have. Any reputation you have derives from
what you do afterwards.

> But I can tell you that in the USA, PhDs are about a dime a dozen. A
> quarter of the baristas in Seattle have one.

Yes, and...?

> A PhD is usually more indicative of that person's ego quotient than
> his/her intelligence quotient.

Evidence? But in the case of "Dr." Hachel you may be right. Why else
does he sprinkle his posts with references to his supposed doctorate?
Maybe he bought it from a degree mill (in the USA, as degree mills
barely exist anywhere else), and that's why he refuses to name it.

> Especially in these times of wokeness and attacks on free speech and
> free thought even the calculus is under suspicion as a means of
> imposing systemic racism. In the midst of this information revolution
> with all the new information being developed and the old information
> being called into question, one can't help but look upon a PhD
> candidate or a freshly minted PhD with a mixture of sympathy and
> contempt. A lifetime of indebtedness for obsolete information. I
> guess a PhD does extend a student's collegiate sex career. It is a
> known fact that any illegal Mexican laborer on any Seattle job site
> drives a newer vehicle than any Seattle PhD.
> Sadly, this point of view is starting to become true of medical doctors also.

I hope you're not referring to Dr. Lengrand here.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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From: r.hac...@frite.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:33 UTC

Le 22/07/2023 à 09:13, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> On 2023-07-21 19:13:58 +0000, "Dr." Richard Hachel said:

> no

> no

> No

At least, we can't take away the merit of being a man of conviction.

R.H.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:10 UTC

On 2023-07-22 11:33:19 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

> Le 22/07/2023 à 09:13, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>> On 2023-07-21 19:13:58 +0000, "Dr." Richard Hachel said:
>
>> no
>
>> no
>
>> No
>
> At least, we can't take away the merit of being a man of conviction.

Merit only if there is some basis for the conviction.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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