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* No fossils of Pan or Gorilla?littor...@gmail.com
+* Re: No fossils of Pan or Gorilla?Mario Petrinovic
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`* Re: No fossils of Pan or Gorilla?I Envy JTEM
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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 01:22 UTC

On 5.12.2021. 23:55, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 8:22:54 PM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 5.12.2021. 23:55, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
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It's just spam.

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 by: I Envy JTEM - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 06:58 UTC

Actually, I don't believe that there are no fossils. The simplest, most
conservative, safest assumption to make is that we have found
them. They simply don't look the way you expect/want them to look.

Take Denisovan for a model here. If Denisovan existed then we were
finding them all along. We've found their tools for certain. Probably
some of their bones. We just mistook them for erectus or something
else.

Given how wide spread Denisovan were, given the period of time they
would have existed for, we've dug up plenty were they had to be, and
it had to belong to them.

I think gorillas probably evolved from an upright walking common
ancestor and chimps certainly did.

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:22 UTC

Sorry, the link should be
https://www.academia.edu/39908432/Two_incredible_Logical_Mistakes_in_Traditional_Paleo_Anthropology?email_work_card=interaction-paper

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:30 UTC

Op maandag 6 december 2021 om 07:58:32 UTC+1 schreef I Envy JTEM:

> Actually, I don't believe that there are no fossils. The simplest, most
> conservative, safest assumption to make is that we have found
> them. They simply don't look the way you expect/want them to look.

Yes.
Anatomical comparisons are rather clear IMO (see e.g. my Hum.Evol.papers):
-most E.African australopiths were closer relatives of Gorilla than of Homo or Pan,
-most S.African apiths were closer relatives of Pan than of Homo or Gorilla.
AFAICS, schematically,
late-Pliocene gracile apiths avolved in parallel into early-Pleistocene robust apiths:
Praeanthropus afarensis->boisei in E.Africa // Australopithecus africanus->robustus in S.Africa.

> Take Denisovan for a model here. If Denisovan existed then we were
> finding them all along. We've found their tools for certain. Probably
> some of their bones. We just mistook them for erectus or something
> else.
> Given how wide spread Denisovan were, given the period of time they
> would have existed for, we've dug up plenty were they had to be, and
> it had to belong to them.
> I think gorillas probably evolved from an upright walking common
> ancestor and chimps certainly did.

Yes, or rather from upright wading + vertically-climbing early apith-like ancestors in swamp forests,
google our Trends article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?",
or google illustrations at "bonobo wading" or "gorilla bai".

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