On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:

> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.

And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
knows what it is.
UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
your tale. The culture is responsible for it.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
>
> > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
>
> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> knows what it is.
> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
>
> > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
>
> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> knows what it is.
> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
Thus: Time= Change/Rate.

El miércoles, 2 de agosto de 2023 a las 16:56:24 UTC-4, Laurence Clark Crossen escribió:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> >
> > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
> >
> > And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> > of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> > knows what it is.
> > UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> > That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> > your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.

Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:03:29 PM UTC-7, Paparios wrote:
> El miércoles, 2 de agosto de 2023 a las 16:56:24 UTC-4, Laurence Clark Crossen escribió:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > >
> > > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
> > >
> > > And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> > > of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> > > knows what it is.
> > > UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> > > That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> > > your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> > Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.
> Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
If you haven't changed no time has passed! :)

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:03:29 PM UTC-7, Paparios wrote:
> El miércoles, 2 de agosto de 2023 a las 16:56:24 UTC-4, Laurence Clark Crossen escribió:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > >
> > > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
> > >
> > > And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> > > of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> > > knows what it is.
> > > UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> > > That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> > > your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> > Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.
> Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
Will you cease aging if you sit still? Time= Change/Rate.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:03:29 PM UTC-7, Paparios wrote:
> El miércoles, 2 de agosto de 2023 a las 16:56:24 UTC-4, Laurence Clark Crossen escribió:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > >
> > > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
> > >
> > > And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> > > of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> > > knows what it is.
> > > UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> > > That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> > > your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> > Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.
> Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
We can infer from the fact that time= distance/speed that time = change/ rate for other processes aside from speed.

On 8/2/2023 3:56 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
>>
>>> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
>>
>> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
>> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
>> knows what it is.
>> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
>> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
>> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.

Unadulterated nonsense. Time is not well defined or "known."

Is time continuous? Provide evidence. Have you actually read the
Augustine treatise on time? If you had you would actually
understand his views on this topic. Clearly you merely threw
his name in as an "authority" and he was not.

There's nothing like opening your mouth to demonstrate what
you do not know.

On 8/2/2023 6:16 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:03:29 PM UTC-7, Paparios wrote:
>> El miércoles, 2 de agosto de 2023 a las 16:56:24 UTC-4, Laurence Clark Crossen escribió:
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
>>>>
>>>> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
>>>> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
>>>> knows what it is.
>>>> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
>>>> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
>>>> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
>>> Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.
>> Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> We can infer from the fact that time= distance/speed that time = change/ rate for other processes aside from speed.

inferences...

No thanks.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 4:20:23 PM UTC-7, billv wrote:
> On 8/2/2023 3:56 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
> >>
> >> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> >> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> >> knows what it is.
> >> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> >> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> >> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> > Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.
> Unadulterated nonsense. Time is not well defined or "known."
>
> Is time continuous? Provide evidence. Have you actually read the
> Augustine treatise on time? If you had you would actually
> understand his views on this topic. Clearly you merely threw
> his name in as an "authority" and he was not.
>
> There's nothing like opening your mouth to demonstrate what
> you do not know.

Too many people here do not know what they do not know, which only goes to reinforce Alexander Pope's old quote... "a little learning is a dangerous thing"...

On 8/2/2023 7:54 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 4:20:23 PM UTC-7, billv wrote:
>> On 8/2/2023 3:56 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
>>>>
>>>> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
>>>> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
>>>> knows what it is.
>>>> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
>>>> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
>>>> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
>>> Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.
>> Unadulterated nonsense. Time is not well defined or "known."
>>
>> Is time continuous? Provide evidence. Have you actually read the
>> Augustine treatise on time? If you had you would actually
>> understand his views on this topic. Clearly you merely threw
>> his name in as an "authority" and he was not.
>>
>> There's nothing like opening your mouth to demonstrate what
>> you do not know.
>
> Too many people here do not know what they do not know, which only goes to reinforce Alexander Pope's old quote... "a little learning is a dangerous thing"...

Actually there's not enough cogent science discussion here
to keep me interested. I left before for the same reason
though it was much better at that time than now. This
bunch is a severe disappointment.

Bye.

Am 02.08.2023 um 09:49 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>
> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
>
>> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
>
> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> knows what it is.
> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
>
Time is not what clocks say.

The idea of time is actually based on counting repeated events, which we
assume to happen in a constant rate.

The basic counting happens in days, because that rythm is very obvious.

Now we devide these days in 24 hours, those in 60 minutes and those in
60 seconds and have time units.

Unfortunately the day has not a constant length, but that length changes
very slowly.

Therefore other means were requirred.

Clocks in Einsteins time counted the rotations of a tiny rotor, which
was driven by a wound up spring.

That mechanism was called 'clock' and was ectually less precise than the
Earth' rotations.

Much later quartz cristalls were use to advanced time-measurments and
even later certain frequencies in some gases.

But still the same principle applies, that something happens repeatedly
and we count that, do some math and derive the current time from the result.

Only this is not time per se, but a certain type of measurement of what
we think time actually is.

Problem: most likely our guesses are wrong.

TH

On Wednesday, 2 August 2023 at 22:56:24 UTC+2, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> >
> > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
> >
> > And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> > of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> > knows what it is.
> > UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> > That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> > your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is

Nope. You're imagining some mystical mystery.
Bullshit.

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:

> Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?

Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
about it, poor halfbrain.

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 01:20:23 UTC+2, billv wrote:
> On 8/2/2023 3:56 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
> >>
> >> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> >> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> >> knows what it is.
> >> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> >> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> >> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> > Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.
> Unadulterated nonsense. Time is not well defined or "known."

At least time you've imagined together with your fellow
idiots. Times of the real world - UTC, TAI, GPS tiome, zone
times - are defined quite well.

El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 2:29:39 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
>
> > Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
> about it, poor halfbrain.

Sure:

Time is what a clock reads.

In every possible physical experiment you have to use 1) clocks and 2) measuring rods.

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:05:35 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 2:29:39 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> >
> > > Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> > Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
> > about it, poor halfbrain.
> Sure:
>
> Time is what a clock reads.

Not in your physics idiocies, sorry. Anyone can check GPS,
what clocks read doesn't match them at all.

> In every possible physical experiment you have to use 1) clocks and 2) measuring rods.

What is, BTW the longest measuring rod you've ever seen, poor
halfbrain?

El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 9:46:09 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:05:35 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 2:29:39 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> > > Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
> > > about it, poor halfbrain.
> > Sure:
> >
> > Time is what a clock reads.
> Not in your physics idiocies, sorry. Anyone can check GPS,
> what clocks read doesn't match them at all.

You totally ignore what the people, which runs the GPS system, use:

See https://www.gps.gov/technical/icwg/IS-GPS-200M.pdf

"The carrier frequencies for the L1 and L2 signals shall be coherently derived from a common frequency
source within the SV. The nominal frequency of this source -- as it appears to an observer on the ground --
is 10.23 MHz. The SV carrier frequency and clock rates -- as they would appear to an observer located in
the SV -- are offset to compensate for relativistic effects. The clock rates are offset by
deltaf/f = -4.4647E-10, equivalent to a change in the P-code chipping rate of 10.23 MHz offset by a
deltaf = -4.5674E-3 Hz. This is equal to 10.2299999954326 MHz".

Again, the satellite clock ticks at 10.2299999954326 MHz. That clock signal is received on the ground at 10.23 MHz.

> > In every possible physical experiment you have to use 1) clocks and 2) measuring rods.
> What is, BTW the longest measuring rod you've ever seen, poor
> halfbrain?

"The meter; symbol: m, is the base unit of length in the International System of Units (SI).

The meter was originally defined in 1791 as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole along a great circle, so the Earth's circumference is approximately 40000 km. In 1799, the metre was redefined in terms of a PROTOTYPE METER BAR. The actual bar used was changed in 1889. In 1960, the meter was redefined in terms of a certain number of wavelengths of a certain emission line of krypton-86.

The current definition was adopted in 1983 and modified slightly in 2002 to clarify that the meter is a measure of proper length. From 1983 until 2019, the metre was formally defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second. After the 2019 redefinition of the SI base units, this definition was rephrased to include the definition of a second in terms of the caesium frequency ΔνCs".

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:55:00 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 4:20:23 PM UTC-7, billv wrote:
> > On 8/2/2023 3:56 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > >> On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is.
> > >>
> > >> And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries
> > >> of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you]
> > >> knows what it is.
> > >> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is.
> > >> That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of
> > >> your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
> > > Everyone, even Augustine, knows what time is, but he had trouble defining it as do the relativists. We have available a perfectly good mathematical and physics definition of time: Time = Distance/Speed. From this we can understand time is a comparison of rates of change.
> > Unadulterated nonsense. Time is not well defined or "known."
> >
> > Is time continuous? Provide evidence. Have you actually read the
> > Augustine treatise on time? If you had you would actually
> > understand his views on this topic. Clearly you merely threw
> > his name in as an "authority" and he was not.
> >
> > There's nothing like opening your mouth to demonstrate what
> > you do not know.
> Too many people here do not know what they do not know, which only goes to reinforce Alexander Pope's old quote... "a little learning is a dangerous thing"...
You may want to get started at least!

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 17:17:51 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 9:46:09 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:05:35 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 2:29:39 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> > > > Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
> > > > about it, poor halfbrain.
> > > Sure:
> > >
> > > Time is what a clock reads.
> > Not in your physics idiocies, sorry. Anyone can check GPS,
> > what clocks read doesn't match them at all.
> You totally ignore what the people, which runs the GPS system, use:

Oppositely - you do.
https://timetoolsltd.com/gps/what-is-gps-time/
This is what GPS clocks read, poor halfbrain. Too bad.

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:17:51 AM UTC-7, Paparios wrote:
> El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 9:46:09 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:05:35 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 2:29:39 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> > > > Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
> > > > about it, poor halfbrain.
> > > Sure:
> > >
> > > Time is what a clock reads.
> > Not in your physics idiocies, sorry. Anyone can check GPS,
> > what clocks read doesn't match them at all.
> You totally ignore what the people, which runs the GPS system, use:
>
> See https://www.gps.gov/technical/icwg/IS-GPS-200M.pdf
>
> "The carrier frequencies for the L1 and L2 signals shall be coherently derived from a common frequency
> source within the SV. The nominal frequency of this source -- as it appears to an observer on the ground --
> is 10.23 MHz. The SV carrier frequency and clock rates -- as they would appear to an observer located in
> the SV -- are offset to compensate for relativistic effects. The clock rates are offset by
> deltaf/f = -4.4647E-10, equivalent to a change in the P-code chipping rate of 10.23 MHz offset by a
> deltaf = -4.5674E-3 Hz. This is equal to 10.2299999954326 MHz".
>
> Again, the satellite clock ticks at 10.2299999954326 MHz. That clock signal is received on the ground at 10.23 MHz.
> > > In every possible physical experiment you have to use 1) clocks and 2) measuring rods.
> > What is, BTW the longest measuring rod you've ever seen, poor
> > halfbrain?
> "The meter; symbol: m, is the base unit of length in the International System of Units (SI).
>
> The meter was originally defined in 1791 as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole along a great circle, so the Earth's circumference is approximately 40000 km. In 1799, the metre was redefined in terms of a PROTOTYPE METER BAR. The actual bar used was changed in 1889.. In 1960, the meter was redefined in terms of a certain number of wavelengths of a certain emission line of krypton-86.
>
> The current definition was adopted in 1983 and modified slightly in 2002 to clarify that the meter is a measure of proper length. From 1983 until 2019, the metre was formally defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second. After the 2019 redefinition of the SI base units, this definition was rephrased to include the definition of a second in terms of the caesium frequency ΔνCs".
So the relativists here still can't define time. Time is a comparison of rates of change Time= Change/Rate.

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 19:40:57 UTC+2, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:17:51 AM UTC-7, Paparios wrote:
> > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 9:46:09 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:05:35 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 2:29:39 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> > > > > Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
> > > > > about it, poor halfbrain.
> > > > Sure:
> > > >
> > > > Time is what a clock reads.
> > > Not in your physics idiocies, sorry. Anyone can check GPS,
> > > what clocks read doesn't match them at all.
> > You totally ignore what the people, which runs the GPS system, use:
> >
> > See https://www.gps.gov/technical/icwg/IS-GPS-200M.pdf
> >
> > "The carrier frequencies for the L1 and L2 signals shall be coherently derived from a common frequency
> > source within the SV. The nominal frequency of this source -- as it appears to an observer on the ground --
> > is 10.23 MHz. The SV carrier frequency and clock rates -- as they would appear to an observer located in
> > the SV -- are offset to compensate for relativistic effects. The clock rates are offset by
> > deltaf/f = -4.4647E-10, equivalent to a change in the P-code chipping rate of 10.23 MHz offset by a
> > deltaf = -4.5674E-3 Hz. This is equal to 10.2299999954326 MHz".
> >
> > Again, the satellite clock ticks at 10.2299999954326 MHz. That clock signal is received on the ground at 10.23 MHz.
> > > > In every possible physical experiment you have to use 1) clocks and 2) measuring rods.
> > > What is, BTW the longest measuring rod you've ever seen, poor
> > > halfbrain?
> > "The meter; symbol: m, is the base unit of length in the International System of Units (SI).
> >
> > The meter was originally defined in 1791 as one ten-millionth of the distance from the equator to the North Pole along a great circle, so the Earth's circumference is approximately 40000 km. In 1799, the metre was redefined in terms of a PROTOTYPE METER BAR. The actual bar used was changed in 1889. In 1960, the meter was redefined in terms of a certain number of wavelengths of a certain emission line of krypton-86.
> >
> > The current definition was adopted in 1983 and modified slightly in 2002 to clarify that the meter is a measure of proper length. From 1983 until 2019, the metre was formally defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second. After the 2019 redefinition of the SI base units, this definition was rephrased to include the definition of a second in terms of the caesium frequency ΔνCs".
> So the relativists here still can't define time. Time is a comparison of rates of change Time= Change/Rate.

Bullshit. Time is a coordinate - one thing poor idiot Einstein was
right about. A human created imaginary abstract.

El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 13:39:48 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 17:17:51 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 9:46:09 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:05:35 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 2:29:39 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> > > > > Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
> > > > > about it, poor halfbrain.
> > > > Sure:
> > > >
> > > > Time is what a clock reads.
> > > Not in your physics idiocies, sorry. Anyone can check GPS,
> > > what clocks read doesn't match them at all.
> > You totally ignore what the people, which runs the GPS system, use:
> Oppositely - you do.
> https://timetoolsltd.com/gps/what-is-gps-time/
> This is what GPS clocks read, poor halfbrain. Too bad.

For sure that is not an official page about GPS.
All those aspects are covered in the official document, which anyone can read:

https://www.gps.gov/technical/icwg/IS-GPS-200M.pdf

El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 13:40:57 UTC-4, Laurence Clark Crossen escribió:

> So the relativists here still can't define time. Time is a comparison of rates of change Time= Change/Rate.

Time in physics is operationally defined as "what a clock reads".

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 20:22:02 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 13:39:48 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 17:17:51 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 9:46:09 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 15:05:35 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > > > El jueves, 3 de agosto de 2023 a las 2:29:39 UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak escribió:
> > > > > > On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 00:03:29 UTC+2, Paparios wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great definition. It means that if I sit in a coach, my speed is 0 and my distance is 0, so my time is undefined?
> > > > > > Do you have another opinion? Is it defined? Tell us
> > > > > > about it, poor halfbrain.
> > > > > Sure:
> > > > >
> > > > > Time is what a clock reads.
> > > > Not in your physics idiocies, sorry. Anyone can check GPS,
> > > > what clocks read doesn't match them at all.
> > > You totally ignore what the people, which runs the GPS system, use:
> > Oppositely - you do.
> > https://timetoolsltd.com/gps/what-is-gps-time/
> > This is what GPS clocks read, poor halfbrain. Too bad.
> For sure that is not an official page about GPS.

And for sure there is nothing about "what clocks read"
in your quoting. All the clocks of GPS read the same time
scale, some seconds different from TAI. No moronic dilation
between them. But you're free to enchant the reality.