The Starmaker wrote:
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> The Starmaker wrote:
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> > The Starmaker wrote:
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> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > patdolan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:51:05 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > On 8/4/2023 9:32 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:12:12 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 8/4/2023 9:10 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> I like an absolute beginning that is of empty dimension.
> > > > > > >> I thought that God was always there. There was no absolute beginning.
> > > > > > >>> Gravity comes later with the beginning of material astronomical forms.
> > > > > > >>> The problem with a singularity is its infinite gravity
> > > > > > >>> is in the way of beginning the universe.
> > > > > > >>> Atoms can split but how can singularities?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For us there was. Only we have an absolute beginning.
> > > > > > > Not Him. He transcends creating.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > So, basically we cannot ask God _when_ we were created because it might
> > > > > > have no sense of time in a sense. Simply due to the fact that it was
> > > > > > always there. No beginning for him.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
> > > > >
> > > > > It was pointed out to me that God created light before he created the first light source. There is something for physics to chew on in that historic fact.
> > > >
> > > > Before the big bang...Stars always existed.
> > > >
> > > > You can still see with the naked eye remenants of those stars that
> > > > existed before the big bang. The Big Dipper.
> > >
> > > Now...if you look at the little dipper...it begins to form a pattern.
> >
> > i do have to warn you...don't let the names dippers throw you off, it's
> > not a dipper.
>
> Let me put it in another way...
>
> If you took a peek at what it looks like Before the big bang...
> then you can understand today's arrangement of the stars.
>
> All stars were arranged line the big dipper, but without the handle.
>
> The handle is simply a spread out version of the big dipper without a handle.
>
> All stars before the big bang simply looked like this:
>
> . .
>
> . .

All stars before the big bang were in order...

.. . . . . . .

.. . . . . . .

.. . . . . . .

Now, in the explosion they simply spread apart..

.. .

.. .

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The Starmaker

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.

patdolan wrote:
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> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.

wats the problem here? they simply will do as they always done in the
past..fudge it.

check the timeline...dats all dey do is fudge it.

wats a little fudge? dey rewrite da textbooks and make money.

GR is simply a fudge of Newton.

Now it's time to fudge GR.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/6/2023 12:50 AM, patdolan wrote:
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> > I am the originator of the BBP! What more need I say about my credentials.
> BBP = Big Bang P____?
B. I. G. B. E. N. P. A. R. A. D. O. X.

paradox

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 4:11:39 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory..

> Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.

Cite the evidence. I'll bet you can't!

On Monday, 7 August 2023 at 01:45:01 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 4:11:39 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
>
> > Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.
> Cite the evidence. I'll bet you can't!

Al, poor trash, the evidence that your Shit is inconsistent
has only made you barking more fiercely.

On 2023-08-05 01:39:32 +0000, patdolan said:

> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.

With this silly post you reveal your ignorance of what scientists do.
They don't take "one glimpse" at some new results before concluding
that half a century of analysis is wrong. They study the new results in
depth and devise experiments to reveal whether they are correct, and if
so they work out how they can be explained.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

On Monday, 7 August 2023 at 10:46:30 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-05 01:39:32 +0000, patdolan said:
>
> > ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
> With this silly post you reveal your ignorance of what scientists do.

They mumble inconsistently and wave their arms, and when
their inconsistencies are pointed out - they bark fiercely.

On 2023-08-06 23:11:37 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said:

> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
> Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of
> Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.

So, a book by someone with no publications in physics or any other
science is all we need to know. I haven't succeeded in finding out what
qualifications, if any, he has.

It has one review at Amazon, by one Laurence Clark Crossen, which
reads, in total, "I just bought it, but I already know it's good
because I read a previous book by him. Thumbs up!"

That sums up Laurence Clark Crossen's approach: you don't bother to
read the book that you are supposedly reviewing, but just base your
"review" on your preconception. Likewise, to criticize scientific
theories in this group it's not necessary to read what the authors
wrote; you just reach an opinion on the basis of whether they agree
with your prejudices.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2023-08-06 23:11:37 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said:
>
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34?PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> >> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
> > Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of
> > Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.
>
> So, a book by someone with no publications in physics or any other
> science is all we need to know. I haven't succeeded in finding out what
> qualifications, if any, he has.

He does have some postings to viXra.
That does qualify him,

Jan

On 8/7/2023 7:11 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-08-06 23:11:37 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said:
>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34?PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>>>> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
>>> Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of
>>> Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.
>>
>> So, a book by someone with no publications in physics or any other
>> science is all we need to know. I haven't succeeded in finding out what
>> qualifications, if any, he has.
>
> He does have some postings to viXra.
> That does qualify him,
....as a crank?

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 4:45:01 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 4:11:39 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > > ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
>
> > Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.
> Cite the evidence. I'll bet you can't!
Just shut up and read the book.

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:11:11 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2023-08-06 23:11:37 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said:
> >
> > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34?PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> > >> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
> > > Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of
> > > Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.
> >
> > So, a book by someone with no publications in physics or any other
> > science is all we need to know. I haven't succeeded in finding out what
> > qualifications, if any, he has.
> He does have some postings to viXra.
> That does qualify him,
>
> Jan
Hubble and Zwicky did not accept the velocity-distance relationship so they did not accept the Big Bang.

On 8/7/2023 11:59 AM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 4:45:01 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 4:11:39 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>>>> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
>>
>>> Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.

>> Cite the evidence. I'll bet you can't!

> Just shut up and read the book.

Yes, sure, his idols are better than anything!

On 8/7/2023 12:01 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:11:11 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-08-06 23:11:37 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34?PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>>>>> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang theory.
>>>> Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of
>>>> Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.
>>>
>>> So, a book by someone with no publications in physics or any other
>>> science is all we need to know. I haven't succeeded in finding out what
>>> qualifications, if any, he has.
>> He does have some postings to viXra.
>> That does qualify him,
>>
>> Jan
> Hubble and Zwicky did not accept the velocity-distance relationship so they did not accept the Big Bang.

Yes, sure, his idols are better than anything

On 8/7/2023 11:04 AM, Volney wrote:
> On 8/7/2023 7:11 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-08-06 23:11:37 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:39:34?PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
>>>>> ...through a new space telescope to destroy 60 years of Big Bang
>>>>> theory.
>>>> Kenneth Gonder's new book, "Cosmology In Crisis: The Fallacy of
>>>> Universal Expansion" disproves the Big Bang effectively.
>>>
>>> So, a book by someone with no publications in physics or any other
>>> science is all we need to know. I haven't succeeded in finding out what
>>> qualifications, if any, he has.
>>
>> He does have some postings to viXra.
>> That does qualify him,
> ...as a crank?

Yes, sure, Laurence's idols are better than anything.