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* There is no material length contractionKen Seto
+* Re: There is no material length contractionSylvia Else
|+- Re: There is no material length contractionpatdolan
|+* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
||`* Re: There is no material length contractionSylvia Else
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|| | `* Re: There is no material length contractionSylvia Else
|| |  +* Re: There is no material length contractionRichard Hachel
|| |  |`* Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
|| |  | `* Re: There is no material length contractionRichard Hachel
|| |  |  `- Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
|| |  `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |   +- Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |   `* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |    +* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |    |+* Re: There is no material length contractionRob Bibler
|| |    ||`- Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
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|| |    | +- Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
|| |    | `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
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|| |    |   |    |`* Re: There is no material length contractionmitchr...@gmail.com
|| |    |   |    | +- Re: There is no material length contractionRichard Hachel
|| |    |   |    | `- Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |    |   |    `- Re: There is no material length contractionRondell Verre
|| |    |   +- Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
|| |    |   +* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |    |   |`* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |    |   | +- Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
|| |    |   | +* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |    |   | |+- Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
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|| |    |   | |`* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |    |   | | +* Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR)Richard Hachel
|| |    |   | | |+* Re: Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR)Athel Cornish-Bowden
|| |    |   | | ||`* Re: Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR)Richard Hachel
|| |    |   | | || `- Re: Reciprocal dilation of internal chronotropies (SR)Athel Cornish-Bowden
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|| |    |   | | `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |    |   | |  `* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |    |   | |   +* Re: There is no material length contractionNat Vaikule
|| |    |   | |   |`* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |    |   | |   | `- Re: There is no material length contractionJarrell Martirosov
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|| |    |   | |    `* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |    |   | |     `- Re: There is no material length contractionPaul Alsing
|| |    |   | `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |    |   |  `* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |    |   |   +- Re: There is no material length contractionRonaldo Amerhanov
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|| |    |   |     `* Re: There is no material length contractionRichard Hachel
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|| |    |   `* Re: There is no material length contractionOzzie Jakushov
|| |    |    `* Re: There is no material length contractionPaul Alsing
|| |    |     `- Re: There is no material length contractionBeraldo Hapy
|| |    `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |     +- Re: There is no material length contractionDalton Dubman
|| |     `* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |      `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |       +- Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
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|| |        `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
|| |         `* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
|| |          `- Re: There is no material length contractionKaosayn Shakhbazyan
|| +* Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
|| |`* Re: There is no material length contractionSylvia Else
|| | +* Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
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|| | | `* Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
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|| | |   +- Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
|| | |   `- Re: There is no material length contractionRichard Hachel
|| | `* Re: There is no material length contractionpatdolan
|| |  `* Re: There is no material length contractionSylvia Else
|| |   `* Re: There is no material length contractionRichard Hachel
|| |    `* Re: There is no material length contractionpatdolan
|| |     +* Re: There is no material length contractionRichard Hachel
|| |     |`* Re: There is no material length contractionpatdolan
|| |     | `- Re: There is no material length contractionAthel Cornish-Bowden
|| |     `* Re: There is no material length contractionRichard Hachel
|| |      `- Re: There is no material length contractionpatdolan
|| `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
||  +* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
||  |+- Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
||  |+* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
||  ||+* Re: There is no material length contractionmitchr...@gmail.com
||  |||`- Re: There is no material length contractionShkelqim Jadrennikov
||  ||`* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
||  || `* Re: There is no material length contractionKen Seto
||  ||  `* Re: There is no material length contractionVolney
||  ||   `- Re: There is no material length contractionMaciej Wozniak
||  |`* Re: There is no material length contractionDarling Vavravsky
||  `* Re: There is no material length contractionSylvia Else
|`- Re: There is no material length contractionJ. J. Lodder
`* Re: There is no material length contractionJanPB

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From: r.hac...@frite.fr (Richard Hachel)
 by: Richard Hachel - Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:21 UTC

Le 14/08/2023 à 18:06, "mitchr...@gmail.com" a écrit :
> Where would length go to...? How is there then a smaller space
> in a larger space? No. It has never been measured to happen
> and has never belonged in theory... Einstein needed to see it.
> Negative Gamma myth... or "no length contraction" is real instead.

Approach telescopes are made to magnify observed objects.

But if you hold these glasses upside down, everything suddenly seems much
smaller.

Jean and Paul aren't actually shorter, and I don't wonder, "Where did
their length go?"

I observe things according to an appearance, that's all.

What you have to understand is that our universe is not an absolute 4D
block. There are appearances in all this, and contractions, expansions, as
in a carnival at the stand of distorting glasses.

A train passing in the distance, transversely to me,
will seem to me to be going slower than it is going.

Vo=Vr/sqrt(1+Vr²/c²)

It will also look shorter than it is: L'=L.sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)

That we can also write L'=L/sqrt(1+Vr²/c²)

But all this is only observation from my position and my relative speed in
relation to the observed facts.

I see with immense sadness that no one is able to understand these things
(and even the best elements of spr).

R.H.

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 by: mitchr...@gmail.com - Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:39 UTC

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:21:46 AM UTC-7, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 14/08/2023 à 18:06, "mitchr...@gmail.com" a écrit :
> > Where would length go to...? How is there then a smaller space
> > in a larger space? No. It has never been measured to happen
> > and has never belonged in theory... Einstein needed to see it.
> > Negative Gamma myth... or "no length contraction" is real instead.
> Approach telescopes are made to magnify observed objects.
>
> But if you hold these glasses upside down, everything suddenly seems much
> smaller.
>
> Jean and Paul aren't actually shorter, and I don't wonder, "Where did
> their length go?"
>
> I observe things according to an appearance, that's all.
>
> What you have to understand is that our universe is not an absolute 4D
> block. There are appearances in all this, and contractions, expansions, as
> in a carnival at the stand of distorting glasses.
>
> A train passing in the distance, transversely to me,
> will seem to me to be going slower than it is going.
>
> Vo=Vr/sqrt(1+Vr²/c²)
>
> It will also look shorter than it is: L'=L.sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)
>
> That we can also write L'=L/sqrt(1+Vr²/c²)
>
> But all this is only observation from my position and my relative speed in
> relation to the observed facts.
>
> I see with immense sadness that no one is able to understand these things
> (and even the best elements of spr).
>
> R.H.

In the universe how many frames can you use for comparison?
The universe is full of frames... so which is to be used to determine speed
It shows relativity instead of accuracy gives different results
that can't be used together or separate.

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