On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:31:08 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
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>On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 16:07:10 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:54:04 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>><amm38itcjof2keviavo924qe9bdncsdpur@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:12:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On a sunny day (Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:56:17 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>>>><27u28ih9fj70crhbcoartdgbtiflki81hq@4ax.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 05:22:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
>>>>><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Humanity's only chance for survival in the long run is space, other planets, galaxies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't think any humans will ever live self-sustaining in space or on
>>>>>>>another planet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And humans could never fly, as they were heavier than air.
>>>>>
>>>>>It was obvious that birds and bees and paper airplanes fly.
>>>>>
>>>>>>It may take a while.. we could perhaps send our DNA or something to the stars
>>>>>>and see what comes of it and then fight them in wars?
>>>>>>Now there IS an opportunity for the US Military Industrial Complex !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No nearby planet is habitable. No star is within reach. Our DNA
>>>>
>>>>There are several moons orbiting our planets that may well have
>>>>water and reasonable temperatures.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>wouldn't survive for long in space, what with cosmic ray damage. Even
>>>>>humans might not survive a one-way trip to Mars.
>>>>
>>>>Of course to reduce radiation exposure we must use nuclear propulsion for far away trips.
>>>>There are more methods to reduce exposure to high energy charged particles,
>>>>both by creating a magnetic field and by using stuff found on the new locations
>>>>to build shelters.
>>>>Going underground has been suggested as a good way.
>>>>
>>>>As to DNA not surviving in space, experiments have been done with life forms on the outside of the ISS
>>>>and those were still alive after many weeks ..
>>>>
>>>>Life is just a self assembling process, like electrons protons and neutrons forming our elements,
>>>>those then forming more complex things, finally (likely more an in-between step) us,
>>>>and now us assembling cell-phones and the like, and maybe AI doing something
>>>>we have not even been able to imagine...
>>>>Ever more complex and fantastic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mars has no mag field, so doesn't get the cosmic ray shielding that
>>>>>Earth does.
>>>>
>>>>See what I wrote
>>>>May I suggest you read up on published work, not just your usual books.
>>>>As to life on Mars, the late Dr Levin's experiment on the Vikinger lander was positive for life:
>>>> http://www.gillevin.com/
>>>>
>>>>But NASA, partly funded by Republicans that believe earth was created 4000 years ago and believe in Adam and Eve
>>>>and STILL today teach that to their kids will NEVER admit to a positive for life test
>>>>and deliberately land rovers on places where there is the least possibility to find any.
>>>>This is the religious denial.
>>>>NASA just a job creation program: some guys doing acrobatics while driving around the block.
>>>>Job creation taxes burning useless crap, like that Boeing space thing that still needs to fly people to that same ISS
>>>>READ what's going on.
>>>
>>>I agree that NASA is mostly a money burning PR enterprise, and the
>>>Boeing SLA is absurd. Wiki says
>>>
>>>Cost per launch: Over US$2 billion excluding development (estimate)
>>>
>>>to ship spam-in-a-can into vacuum. They'll probably kill more
>>>astronauts.
>>>
>>>
>>>>In the sixties we could fly to the moon and back...
>>>
>>>Which accomplished nothing.
>>
>>Well, it proved we could leave the planet and come back alive.
>>It also united us earthlings in big way.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Decline! Technological decline!
>>>>The only hope is on China these days, they have a Mars lender too and are not hampered AFAIK by religious dogma.
>>>
>>>China should feed its kids first.
>>
>>I dunno, I see google shows something different:
>> https://china.usc.edu/china-us-and-hungry-world
>>
>>And housing is better in China, not many homeless:
>> https://www.quora.com/Does-China-or-the-USA-have-a-higher-rate-of-homelessness
>>I have read in LA they are camping on the beach?
>>
>>
>>>>May I suggest (but I know you are very busy switching resistors?) you read
>>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/
>>>> https://www.space.com/
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/
>>>>on a maybe daily basis
>>>
>>>I do see the science news, which is 98% nonsense. I check the tech
>>>news more, keeping up with technology, markets, and components. That's
>>>a lot of work.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I watch NASA TV every now and then on Hotbird 13 East satellite, I am sure 'merricans can get it too somehow, maybe via
>>>>internet.
>>>>There are very good free to air science programs here on some German TV channels.
>>>>Recently I did see the best one about nuclear power I've seen since my school days.
>>>>all the ways from Uraninite, also known as pitchblende, to the bombs on Japan.
>>>>One can wonder if not the next logical step for Russia is to nuke Kiev..
>>>>US will declare it a war crime, but then who dared object to US nuking Japan in WW2?
>>>>War crimes all over, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, now burning Ukrainians,
>>>>just to get some more buyers? No people, no money, no buyers, no usable land.
>>>>US Mafia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>There's nothing to breathe or eat there either.
>>>>
>>>>Growing plants in a water culture is no problem, has been done, also on the ISS.
>>>>Plenty vegetarians on earth.
>>>>
>>>>Most if not all technological hurdles to live on other worlds have been solved for long ago.
>>>
>>>A colony on the moon or Mars would die out without constant deliveries
>>>from earth. The ISS can't grow enough food to feed even one crew
>>>member.
>>
>>ISS was never designed to be self-sustainable.
>>
>>NASA is working on that:
>> What would it take to build a self-sustaining colony on Mars?
>> https://blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com/en/what-would-it-take-to-build-a-self-sustaining-colony-on-mars/
>
>Preposterous way to spend billions, or trillions.
>
>>
>>
>>Its all simple technology, nothing mystical.
>>Where there is a will there is a way my father used to say.
>>
>>To go to the moon - the [political] will was there to beat the Russians after Sputnik showed them reaching orbit -
>>Now its all about job creation...
>
>Boots on the moon was never about science. It was nationalistic
>posturing. Robots could have brought back moon dirt, which turned out
>to be not terribly interesting.
>
>Employing scientific and engineering talent in useless make-work
>projects is a double waste to any country, especially a poor one.
>Maybe the North Koreans will start a moon landing project and starve
>another million people.
>
>I designed flight hardware for the S1B moon rocket booster stage. I
>don't think that program really did much good. Actually, one box used
>a time-stamp technology that I use in some of my products, but I would
>have re-invented that anyhow.

Columbus
maybe there is gold on some of those planets, diamonds to I've read.
Gonna need it with dollar no longer the worlds main currency.
Pioneering is good, without Columbus maybe you would not even exist.
Technology is not the problem, political will is.
Much more fun going to planets than like for example going to Vietnam,
may burn less US lives too.

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:29:50 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <26d881de-91b9-4712...@googlegroups.com>:
> >
> >For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things th=
> >at are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound good> >, but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.
> Get a nuclear power plant going
> Light, heat, cooling, for many years, same for making a magnetic field
> Bring some chicken and eggs along, grow some seeds to feed those..
> Energy is all you need.
> Weight is not important, bring it to space one by one, little by little.
> It is the nuculear fear that has stopped NASA's nuclear propulsion projects.
> I have a plant here that has been getting tap water only for >20 years...

And you eat none of it. Are you going to create a 100% sustainable environment that recycles literally everything? Yeah, that will work. Let us know when you get it done.

> There is plenty stuff in Martian soil, maybe you can even cook the lifeforms there!
> Columbus... pioneering, somebody, likely China now, will do it.

I'm certain someone will do it, just as we spent a huge portion of the national budget to land people on the moon. Landing on Mars will be just as useful, but cost hugely more. Maybe even bigly more!

> The new world social system!!
> And then poor US will have to fight it...
> BTW I was reading Tesla Bioweapon filters are saving NewYorkers from air pollution these days...
>
> The world is full of na sayers.
> Don't lisen to them, finding solutions is more fun.

I notice you never actually find solutions. You dream about them a lot.

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On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 23:51:29 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
<18d2f03f-5fd1-4ee8-b133-6819b82e2a07n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:29:50 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky=
>
>> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <26d881de-91b9-4712...@googlegroups.com>:
>> >
>> >For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things=
> th=
>> >at are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound go=
>od=
>> >, but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.
>> Get a nuclear power plant going
>> Light, heat, cooling, for many years, same for making a magnetic field
>> Bring some chicken and eggs along, grow some seeds to feed those..
>> Energy is all you need.
>> Weight is not important, bring it to space one by one, little by little.=
>
>> It is the nuculear fear that has stopped NASA's nuclear propulsion projec=
>ts.
>> I have a plant here that has been getting tap water only for >20 years...=
>
>
>And you eat none of it. Are you going to create a 100% sustainable environ=
>ment that recycles literally everything? Yeah, that will work. Let us kno=
>w when you get it done.
>
>
>> There is plenty stuff in Martian soil, maybe you can even cook the lifefo=
>rms there!
>> Columbus... pioneering, somebody, likely China now, will do it.
>
>I'm certain someone will do it, just as we spent a huge portion of the nati=
>onal budget to land people on the moon. Landing on Mars will be just as us=
>eful, but cost hugely more. Maybe even bigly more!
>
>
>> The new world social system!!
>> And then poor US will have to fight it...
>> BTW I was reading Tesla Bioweapon filters are saving NewYorkers from air =
>pollution these days...
>>
>> The world is full of na sayers.
>> Don't lisen to them, finding solutions is more fun.
>
>I notice you never actually find solutions. You dream about them a lot.

My website is full of those, both hardware and software.
Your contribution?
Babbling?

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 5:10:32 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 23:51:29 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky
> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <18d2f03f-5fd1-4ee8...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:29:50 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ricky=
> >
> >> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> <26d881de-91b9-4712...@googlegroups.com>:
> >> >
> >> >For someone who appears to be fairly intelligent, you say so many things=
> > th=
> >> >at are wrong. Or, more accurately, you say a lot of things that sound go> >od=
> >> >, but are actually very wrong, mostly because they are not complete.
> >> Get a nuclear power plant going
> >> Light, heat, cooling, for many years, same for making a magnetic field
> >> Bring some chicken and eggs along, grow some seeds to feed those..
> >> Energy is all you need.
> >> Weight is not important, bring it to space one by one, little by little.=
> >
> >> It is the nuculear fear that has stopped NASA's nuclear propulsion projec=
> >ts.
> >> I have a plant here that has been getting tap water only for >20 years....=
> >
> >
> >And you eat none of it. Are you going to create a 100% sustainable environ=
> >ment that recycles literally everything? Yeah, that will work. Let us kno> >w when you get it done.
> >
> >
> >> There is plenty stuff in Martian soil, maybe you can even cook the lifefo> >rms there!
> >> Columbus... pioneering, somebody, likely China now, will do it.
> >
> >I'm certain someone will do it, just as we spent a huge portion of the nati=
> >onal budget to land people on the moon. Landing on Mars will be just as us> >eful, but cost hugely more. Maybe even bigly more!
> >
> >
> >> The new world social system!!
> >> And then poor US will have to fight it...
> >> BTW I was reading Tesla Bioweapon filters are saving NewYorkers from air > >pollution these days...
> >>
> >> The world is full of na sayers.
> >> Don't lisen to them, finding solutions is more fun.
> >
> >I notice you never actually find solutions. You dream about them a lot.
> My website is full of those, both hardware and software.
> Your contribution?
> Babbling?

LOL I've seen your website. LOL Let me know when you make it to Mars.

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