On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 23:41:27 UTC+2, WM wrote:
> zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 1. Januar 2023 um 09:02:16 UTC+1:
> > torsdag 22 december 2022 kl. 11:19:41 UTC+1 skrev WM:
> > > zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 22. Dezember 2022 um 10:49:48 UTC+1:
> > >
> > > > no one is saying any is added
> > > The set of guests = natural numbers ℕ is complete, i.e., none can be added.
> > > The set ℕ of room numbers of Hilbert's hotel is complete too.
> > > The bijection between guests and room numbers has |ℕ| pairs.
> > > If another guest, 0, arrives and is accomodated, then the bijection has one more pair. The natural room numbers contained therein have one more element. Contradiction.
> > >
> > > Regards, WM
> >
> > Saying "one more" does not work in infinite cardinal arithmetic

"Cardinal arithmetic" - 🤣🤣🤣🤣

If I could, I would write a book called "The Decrees of the morons of mainstream mathematics academia."

> But it works in sets. That's why cardinal arithmetic is nonsense.

No. Cardinal arithmetic is nonsense because "set theory" is nonsense - never forget the actual source of insanity.

>
> Regards, WM

On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 08:22:17 UTC+2, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> söndag 1 januari 2023 kl. 22:40:09 UTC+1 skrev WM:
> > William schrieb am Samstag, 31. Dezember 2022 um 16:32:12 UTC+1:
> > > On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 4:16:18 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > William schrieb am Freitag, 30. Dezember 2022 um 19:10:27 UTC+1:
> > > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 1:05:52 PM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > > > Could you write down them with infinite ressources? No! Always ℵo would be missing.
> > > > > So what? You can write down M iff M is finite. Every element of |N is finite. |N is infinite.
> > > > And the reason is: Most elements of ℕ are dark
> > > Nope. |N is a Peano set.
> >
> > ℕ_def with ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo is a Peano set.
> > > A Peano set cannot have a dark element.
> > Correct. But Cantor's set ℕ has.
> >
> > Regards, WM
> nope, it has no "dark element", it is a made up thing you cannot define

Wrong again, moron!

A "dark element" is one that is purported to share specific properties but can never be identified.

In light of the above statement, WM who still has some sanity, shows you that by applying YOUR specific properties, one reaches a contradiction - in every case, but then again, you would not be "incorrigible" if you understood otherwise (as in correctly).

Frankly, you can't even demonstrate one "non-finite" number or support any of your drivel without decrees and rules which YOU make up.

Crank: ... is one who cannot be convinced in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Fits YOU perfectly.

Tehran ██۞██ Moscow electric blackouts██۞██

Why does Germany's WM even bother with math, he cannot admit slant cut of Cone is Oval never ellipse, yet there the crazy fool is spamming sci.math day after day for 15 years

Kibo Parry M. is he using bola or javelin short circuit weapons???

Kibo, does bow and arrow with aluminum foil streamers tied to arrow, work better than javelin or bola???

Kibo Parry CIA undercover
On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:26:03 PM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote:

Kibo Parry Moroney in 1997 blows his CIA cover-- to the entire world, mind you---
Re: Archimedes Vanadium, America's most beloved poster
>> In article <5nefan$i06$9...@news.thecia.net> kibo greps <ki...@shell.thecia.net> writes:
> >

> Moscow electric Blackouts██۞██

James Parry dunce in sci.math & sci,physics
On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Pluto, so you finally tracked down James Parry in Moscow?
>
> But once again, that sentence no verb.
>
> Kibo WAS short circuiting Moscow electricity?
> Kibo WILL BE short circuiting Moscow electricity?
> Kibo PLANS ON short circuiting Moscow electricity?
> Kibo THINKS ABOUT short circuiting Moscow electricity?
>
> ..?
>
> Now that you found Kibo, will you stop pretending that I am Kibo?
> Hopefully he won't be using your aluminum pole idea, otherwise there
> will be an ex-Kibo. As in:
>
> Kibo WAS VAPORIZED WHILE short circuiting Moscow electricity.

Kibo, is Xi aware of the fact that Outer Manchuria is 28 times bigger than Taiwan????
>
>
>
> > And as the Baby Xi grew up from the rice paddies and reeds of Outer Manchuria, stolen by the Naxi and Zani Dictator Putin in Moscow, Xi learned in school in chemical engineering that Taiwan was 1/28 the size of Outer Manchuria, as Putin bombs Ukraine. And the nascent Xi orders 1,000 divisions to the Outer Manchuria border to regain back the stolen Old China.

> > > > > > Kibo in a javelin throw to knock out Moscow high voltage lines
> > > > > >> ........///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////|
> > > > > >> ......///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////..|
> > > > > >> ....///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////....| Moscow
> > > > > >> ..///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////......| Electric
> > > > > >> ///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////........| Tower
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|......../
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|....../
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|..../
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|../
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|/

> Vitaly a freedom fighter in Russia
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......................|:---[.] ||
.......................|( _J ||
.....................| ^ ( _| ||
.................../ \_____)|| Kibo Parry with fake wig
.................. / _____ \|| Long Aluminum **javelin** to throw to short circuit
...................... | / \ |...||
...................... | | | |...||
.................. \ /\ /\__ | ||
...................... | | \/--- ||
....................... \ \ )....||
.................... | >____||/_____)
.................... \______||____/
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....................... | | ~~
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freedom fighter from the tiresome dictator
Yea, the dictator has no power and no hot water, no heat, no electricity for his house, offices.

måndag 2 januari 2023 kl. 08:07:42 UTC+1 skrev Eram semper recta:
> On Saturday, 31 December 2022 at 11:33:42 UTC+2, WM wrote:
> > Eram semper recta schrieb am Samstag, 31. Dezember 2022 um 10:24:57 UTC+1:
> > > On Saturday, 31 December 2022 at 10:16:18 UTC+2, WM wrote:
> > > > William schrieb am Freitag, 30. Dezember 2022 um 19:10:27 UTC+1:
> > > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 1:05:52 PM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > > > Could you write down them with infinite ressources? No! Always ℵo would be missing.
> > > > > So what? You can write down M iff M is finite. Every element of |N is finite. |N is infinite.
> > > > And the reason is: Most elements of ℕ are dark.
> > > Dark in the sense that they "cannot be known" even if one could live forever and do nothing else but write them down.
> > Yes. Because for every known number we have:
> > ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo .
> >
> > And you need not write them all. Start at any desired number and leave out as many as you like. The dark realm will never shrink below ℵo (if we assume actual infinity).
> Of course. The point is not about actually writing them all out, but rather that by so doing you actually identify them by NAME (A number is a name given to a measure of a ratio of magnitudes).
>
> Simply put, no matter how large is the element of N that you identify, there are still (in Cantor world) ℵo elements that remain unidentified and without any possibility of ever being identified. Call them "dark" if you wish, but a better phrase is "cannot be known", that is, ℵo elements cannot be known.
>
> > (if we assume actual infinity)
>
> Cantor's idiots always assume infinity, whatever the fuck "infinity" means because it does not exist outside of a dysfunctional brain.
>
> >
> > Regards, WM

Oh look, the narcissistic retard has entered!

måndag 2 januari 2023 kl. 08:11:49 UTC+1 skrev Eram semper recta:
> On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 23:41:27 UTC+2, WM wrote:
> > zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Sonntag, 1. Januar 2023 um 09:02:16 UTC+1:
> > > torsdag 22 december 2022 kl. 11:19:41 UTC+1 skrev WM:
> > > > zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 22. Dezember 2022 um 10:49:48 UTC+1:
> > > >
> > > > > no one is saying any is added
> > > > The set of guests = natural numbers ℕ is complete, i.e., none can be added.
> > > > The set ℕ of room numbers of Hilbert's hotel is complete too.
> > > > The bijection between guests and room numbers has |ℕ| pairs..
> > > > If another guest, 0, arrives and is accomodated, then the bijection has one more pair. The natural room numbers contained therein have one more element. Contradiction.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, WM
> > >
> > > Saying "one more" does not work in infinite cardinal arithmetic
> "Cardinal arithmetic" - 🤣🤣🤣🤣
>
> If I could, I would write a book called "The Decrees of the morons of mainstream mathematics academia."
> > But it works in sets. That's why cardinal arithmetic is nonsense.
> No. Cardinal arithmetic is nonsense because "set theory" is nonsense - never forget the actual source of insanity.
>
> >
> > Regards, WM

Set theory works just fine, no contradictions has been found :)

måndag 2 januari 2023 kl. 08:19:28 UTC+1 skrev Eram semper recta:
> On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 08:22:17 UTC+2, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > söndag 1 januari 2023 kl. 22:40:09 UTC+1 skrev WM:
> > > William schrieb am Samstag, 31. Dezember 2022 um 16:32:12 UTC+1:
> > > > On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 4:16:18 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > > William schrieb am Freitag, 30. Dezember 2022 um 19:10:27 UTC+1:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 1:05:52 PM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > > > > Could you write down them with infinite ressources? No! Always ℵo would be missing.
> > > > > > So what? You can write down M iff M is finite. Every element of |N is finite. |N is infinite.
> > > > > And the reason is: Most elements of ℕ are dark
> > > > Nope. |N is a Peano set.
> > >
> > > ℕ_def with ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo is a Peano set.
> > > > A Peano set cannot have a dark element.
> > > Correct. But Cantor's set ℕ has.
> > >
> > > Regards, WM
> > nope, it has no "dark element", it is a made up thing you cannot define
> Wrong again, moron!
>
> A "dark element" is one that is purported to share specific properties but can never be identified.

Which means what?

>
> In light of the above statement, WM who still has some sanity, shows you that by applying YOUR specific properties, one reaches a contradiction - in every case, but then again, you would not be "incorrigible" if you understood otherwise (as in correctly).

He has never once found a contradiction and neither have you. Your "contradictions" boils down to "Doesn't fit what I want so bad"

>
> Frankly, you can't even demonstrate one "non-finite" number or support any of your drivel without decrees and rules which YOU make up.

Mathematics builds on the axiomatic method so tough shit, go and cry elsewhere retard.

>
> Crank: ... is one who cannot be convinced in the face of overwhelming evidence.

wrong definition but even by this, you are a crank.

>
> Fits YOU perfectly.

Of course not, the thing, I am not convinced by a retards opinion. I am convinced by the actual things. You have failed to ever show anything wrong because you don't understand most of mathematics.

William schrieb am Montag, 2. Januar 2023 um 06:11:59 UTC+1:
> On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 5:40:09 PM UTC-4, WM wrote:
>
> > ℕ_def
>
> is not a set. It is something that changes.
> > with ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
> You do not have to restrict things to |N_def, Replace |N_def with |N. The statement is still true
>
> ∀n ∈ ℕ: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
> Every element of |N is finite. |N is infinite

For all definiable elements we see infinitely many following.
∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
Add *only these definable elements* into a set ℕ_def, then we see
|ℕ \ ℕ_def| = ℵo.
Or does some magic extinguish these ℵo elements? That would be matheology but not mathematics. I do not believe in it. I hope that never one of my students does.

Regards, WM

zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 2. Januar 2023 um 07:22:17 UTC+1:
> söndag 1 januari 2023 kl. 22:40:09 UTC+1 skrev WM:

> > ℕ_def with ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo is a Peano set.
> > > A Peano set cannot have a dark element.
> > Correct. But Cantor's set ℕ has.

> nope, it has no "dark element", it is a made up thing you cannot define

For all definiable elements we see infinitely many following.
∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
Add *only these definable elements* into a set ℕ_def, then we see
|ℕ \ ℕ_def| = ℵo.
Or does some magic extinguish these ℵo elements? That would be matheology but not mathematics. I do not believe in it. I hope that never one of my students will do.

Regards, WM

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 10:45:44 PM UTC+1, WM wrote:
> Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Sonntag, 1. Januar 2023 um 10:09:45 UTC+1:
> > On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC+1, WM wrote:
> > >
> > > If another guest, 0, arrives and is accomodated, then the bijection
> > >
> > It is NOT THE SAME bijection
> > >
> irrelevant.

No, it's not irrelevant, idiot.

> There is <bla> And the bijection.

No, there are TWO DIFFERENT bijections, you silly crank. Du bist offenbar wirklich selbst zum Scheißen zu blöde, Mücke.

The first bijection is

f := {(n, n) : n e IN} = {(1, 1), (2, 2), (3, 3), ...}, a function from IN onto IN.

[ This function represents the occupancy of the hotel _before_ the arrival and accommodation of the new guest: guest 1 occupies the room with nr. 1, guest 2 occupies the room with nr. 2, guest 3 occupies the room with nr. 3, etc. ]

The second bijection is

g := {(n, n + 1) : n e IN u {0}} = {(0, 1), (1, 2), (2, 3), ...}, a function from IN u {0} onto IN.

[ This function represents the occupancy of the hotel _after_ the arrival and accommodation of the new guest: guest 0 occupies the room with nr. 1, guest 1 occupies the room with nr. 2, guest 2 occupies the room with nr. 3, etc. ]

Now to claim that g

> > > has one more pair.

than f, is completely nonsensical. After all:

> > the pairs in g are completely different from the pairs in f
> > i. e. __f and g are _disjoint_ sets__.

> There is one more pair.

Because you say so?

Hint:
> >
> > card(f) = card(g) = aleph_0.
> >
> card is utter nonsense.

Because you say so?

> > Hence "one more" (and/or "one less") is not applicable in this case.

I said: ___IN THIS CASE___.

Can't you read any more? Has your brain fallen out?

> It is applicable in set theory. {0, 1, 2, 3, ...} has one element more than {1, 2, 3, ...}

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SETS

f = {(1, 1), (2, 2), (3, 3), ...} and g = {(0, 1), (1, 2), (2, 3), ...}..

> The latter is a proper subset of the former.

HINT: The pairs in f are completely different from the pairs in g, i. e. __f and g are _disjoint_ sets__.

Got that you silly crank?

=========================================
Though you nonsense mentioned above is just distraction.

The very point in connection with Hilber's hotel is that the codomain of f is the same as the codomain of g, namely IN, while the domain of f is IN and the domain of g is IN u {0}. A new guest, namely 0, can be accommodated without adding a new room.

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 12:19:08 PM UTC-4, WM wrote:

> For all definiable elements we see infinitely many following.
> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo

There is no need to restrict thing the the changable |N_def. The statement is true when we replace |N_def with
|N
∀n ∈: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo

måndag 2 januari 2023 kl. 17:19:24 UTC+1 skrev WM:
> zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 2. Januar 2023 um 07:22:17 UTC+1:
> > söndag 1 januari 2023 kl. 22:40:09 UTC+1 skrev WM:
>
> > > ℕ_def with ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo is a Peano set.
> > > > A Peano set cannot have a dark element.
> > > Correct. But Cantor's set ℕ has.
> > nope, it has no "dark element", it is a made up thing you cannot define
> For all definiable elements we see infinitely many following.
> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
> Add *only these definable elements* into a set ℕ_def, then we see
> |ℕ \ ℕ_def| = ℵo.
> Or does some magic extinguish these ℵo elements? That would be matheology but not mathematics. I do not believe in it. I hope that never one of my students will do.
>
> Regards, WM

So again, that is literally EVERY element in N, so N_def=N

WM <askasker48@gmail.com> writes:
(AKA Dr. Wolfgang Mückenheim or Mueckenheim who teaches "Geschichte des
Unendlichen" at Hochschule Augsburg.)

> Ben Bacarisse schrieb am Montag, 26. Dezember 2022 um 04:28:38 UTC+1:
>> WM <askas...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> > In potential infinity Hilbert's hotel can accomodate the additional
>> > guest. If there is a Bourbaki bijection ℕ --> ℕ, for instance n -->
>> > n, then it contains all natural numbers. None can be added. If one can
>> > be added, by n --> n+1, then it has not been in the bijection
>> > before. Hence there was no bijection.
>>
>> h0: N->N with h0(n) = n and h1: ({-1} U N)->N with h1(n) = n+1 and both
>> valid in proper mathematics as well as WMaths.
>
> Of course.
>
>> h0 and h1 are both valid room
>> assignments.
>
> Of course.

Great.

> But if the complete set in concerned, then no furthernatural number is
> available.

And, as you have agreed, none is necessary. A valid (and complete) room
assignment is available both for the old set of guests and for the new
set of guests. No room need to be added.

--
Ben.

WM <askasker48@gmail.com> writes:
(AKA Dr. Wolfgang Mückenheim or Mueckenheim who teaches "Geschichte des
Unendlichen" at Hochschule Augsburg.)

> Ben Bacarisse schrieb am Montag, 26. Dezember 2022 um 04:44:22 UTC+1:
>> Fritz Feldhase <franz.fri...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> > You c a n ' t prove that 1 e N from his "system".
>> Yes, I know, but that's because he can't write mathematics.
>
> Is it because you cannot read mathematics? Or is it because you are
> too dishonest.
>
> 1 ∈ M
> n ∈ M ==> n+1 ∈ M
> ℕ is subset of all M.
> Only a very dishonest reader can pretend to be unable to understand that
> ℕ is subset of all M that obeys the two axioms.

and {} is a subset of all M that obey these two axioms.

You read somewhere that N is the smallest set that includes 1 and is
closed under a successor functions (or something similar) and you tried
to write this out and failed.

--
Ben.

Ben explaining that as Moscow██۞██ St.Petersburg electric blackouts██۞██ electricity falls, so does St.Petersburg, Ben does not Vladivostok also fall in the successor axiom
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 7:53:48 PM UTC-6, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
> You read somewhere that N is the smallest set that includes 1 and is
> closed under a successor functions (or something similar) and you tried
> to write this out and failed.
>
> --
> Ben.

Tehran ██۞██ Moscow electric blackouts██۞██

Why does Germany's WM even bother with math, he cannot admit slant cut of Cone is Oval never ellipse, yet there the crazy fool is spamming sci.math day after day for 15 years

Kibo Parry M. is he using bola or javelin short circuit weapons???

Kibo, does bow and arrow with aluminum foil streamers tied to arrow, work better than javelin or bola???

Kibo Parry CIA undercover
On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:26:03 PM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote:

Kibo Parry Moroney in 1997 blows his CIA cover-- to the entire world, mind you---
Re: Archimedes Vanadium, America's most beloved poster
>> In article <5nefan$i06$9...@news.thecia.net> kibo greps <ki...@shell.thecia.net> writes:
> >

> Moscow electric Blackouts██۞██

James Parry dunce in sci.math & sci,physics
On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 11:49:40 AM UTC-6, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Pluto, so you finally tracked down James Parry in Moscow?
>
> But once again, that sentence no verb.
>
> Kibo WAS short circuiting Moscow electricity?
> Kibo WILL BE short circuiting Moscow electricity?
> Kibo PLANS ON short circuiting Moscow electricity?
> Kibo THINKS ABOUT short circuiting Moscow electricity?
>
> ..?
>
> Now that you found Kibo, will you stop pretending that I am Kibo?
> Hopefully he won't be using your aluminum pole idea, otherwise there
> will be an ex-Kibo. As in:
>
> Kibo WAS VAPORIZED WHILE short circuiting Moscow electricity.

Kibo, is Xi aware of the fact that Outer Manchuria is 28 times bigger than Taiwan????
>
>
>
> > And as the Baby Xi grew up from the rice paddies and reeds of Outer Manchuria, stolen by the Naxi and Zani Dictator Putin in Moscow, Xi learned in school in chemical engineering that Taiwan was 1/28 the size of Outer Manchuria, as Putin bombs Ukraine. And the nascent Xi orders 1,000 divisions to the Outer Manchuria border to regain back the stolen Old China.

> > > > > > Kibo in a javelin throw to knock out Moscow high voltage lines
> > > > > >> ........///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////|
> > > > > >> ......///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////..|
> > > > > >> ....///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////....| Moscow
> > > > > >> ..///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////......| Electric
> > > > > >> ///// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////........| Tower
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|......../
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|....../
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|..../
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|../
> > > > > >> |__| |__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|/

> Vitaly a freedom fighter in Russia
...............................^
...............................||
...............................||
......................//////// ||
......................|:---[.] ||
.......................|( _J ||
.....................| ^ ( _| ||
.................../ \_____)|| Kibo Parry with fake wig
.................. / _____ \|| Long Aluminum **javelin** to throw to short circuit
...................... | / \ |...||
...................... | | | |...||
.................. \ /\ /\__ | ||
...................... | | \/--- ||
....................... \ \ )....||
.................... | >____||/_____)
.................... \______||____/
.......................... / \
....................... | | ~~
...................... \ \\
..................... \ |\
....................., \ | \
..................... \ | |
..................... | | |
..................... | | |
...................... | / |
..................... |___/____|
..................... (____)____)
==============================
freedom fighter from the tiresome dictator
Yea, the dictator has no power and no hot water, no heat, no electricity for his house, offices.

On 12/27/2022 8:35 PM, Sergi o wrote:
> On 12/27/2022 4:21 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 12/26/2022 11:49 PM, Eram semper recta wrote:
>>> On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 17:13:27 UTC+2, Sergi o wrote:
>>>> On 12/26/2022 6:57 AM, WM wrote:
>>>>> FromTheRafters schrieb am Sonntag, 25. Dezember 2022 um 20:02:51
>>>>> UTC+1:
>>>>>> WM pretended :
>>>>>>> FromTheRafters schrieb am Sonntag, 25. Dezember 2022 um 13:17:41
>>>>>>> UTC+1:
>>>>>>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote on 12/24/2022 :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My only point is there is no last natural number... How can an
>>>>>>>>> infinite
>>>>>>>>> pool ever be full?
>>>>>>>> When all of its elements are present.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That happens in Hilbert's hotel. The set of rooms is complete.
>>>>>>> And all rooms
>>>>>>> are occupied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It can handle an infinite waterfall pouring into it, right?
>>>>>>>> Time is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why then shall all guests move (a temporal action) before a new
>>>>>>> guest can
>>>>>>> enter? Your theory is really inconsistent.
>>>>>> Because it demonstrates a notion rather than defining one,
>>>>>
>>>>> No. It could as well define a bijection. None missing, no free
>>>>> place. The move is only necessary to trick the lookers-on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, WM
>>>> there are no on lookers, they are all in their hotel rooms.
>>>
>>> They are all in their hotel rooms rubbing their genitals and arse
>>> holes furiously because they are too fat and fucking ugly like most
>>> of you in order to have a sexual partner. Chuckle.
>>
>> God damn! What made you think of that shit? ;^o
>
> someone is impersonating Mr Rectum most likely, but then there is "
> Chuckle" , only 2 or 3 use that...

"Chuckle" is a definite keyword for the type.

Chris on Moscow & St.Petersburg██۞██ electric blackouts██۞██

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:06:37 PM UTC-6, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> "Chuckle"

Once you stop chuckling, Chris.
Chris, how long do you think before Putin folds from electric power outage???

> NATO, it is high time to give Ukraine drones better than Iran to knock out Russian and Moscow electricity-- tit for tat, otherwise Ukraine will lose// SCIENCE COUNCIL RULES EARTH, not petty dictators.
>
> NATO, you have been late on giving Ukraine almost everything it needs. Late late late and that is why Ukraine is almost all shattered into ruins.
>
> Please, hold an emergency meeting and give Ukraine drones that are far far superior to the Iran drones.
>
> Allow Ukraine to knock out the electricity of Moscow, Volgograd, St.Petersburg, Vladivostok. When Russian people see that Putin only means mindless destruction-- then they will get rid of the mindless dictator.
>
> By the time economic sanctions kick in, everyone is either dead or blue in the face.
>
> Russians need to see the IMMEDIATE-- their Moscow and St.Petersburg and Volgograd in the dark and cold and no hot water from electric power blackouts.

söndag 1 januari 2023 kl. 22:45:44 UTC+1 skrev WM:
> Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Sonntag, 1. Januar 2023 um 10:09:45 UTC+1:
> > On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC+1, WM wrote:
>
> > > If another guest, 0, arrives and is accomodated, then the bijection
> > It is NOT THE SAME bijection
> irrelevant. There is one more element. And the bijection.
> >
> > > has one more pair.
> >
> > Actually, the pairs in g are completely different from the pairs in f: f and g are _disjoint_ sets.
> There is one more pair.
> >
> > Moreover card(f) = card(g) = aleph_0.
> card is utter nonsense.

It isn't, it works just fine.

> >
> > Hence "one more" (and/or "one less") is not applicable in this case.
> It is applicable in set theory. {0, 1, 2, 3, ...} has one element more than {1, 2, 3, ...}

nope because they have some cardinality

> The latter is a proper subset of the former.

Doesn't mean that their cradinalities are different.

> >
> > > Contradiction.
> >
> The set of pairs has one more element - but only on one side. Clash.
>
> Regards, WM

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How better Zelos is the West made drones over Iran drones??
On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:07:23 AM UTC-6, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> It isn't, it works just fine.

Angel says drones from West will blackout Volgograd,St.Petersburg, Moscow. Will they knock out Vladivostok, Angel???

Zelos is all of Russian electricity on one line, so if Moscow is out, then all of Russia is out?????

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Xi masses troops on Russian border to take back Outer Manchuria. If you do not know the history, Russia stole Outer Manchuria and Vladivostok from China.

While Putin is too busy with his personal war, Xi thinks time is ripe to get back what belongs to China in the first place. OUTER MANCHURIA and especially Vladivostok.

Xi gives the Chinese people a Christmas gift--- Outer Manchuria-- the beloved Old China

I am not positive we can take out GLONASS and BeiDou from ground based radio and microwaves and laser waves, even jamming.

But I am certain that we can put a satellite in orbit that is a wrecking ramming satellite that does take out GLONASS and BeiDou. I am certain of this because several countries have robotic satellites that maintenance their fleet of satellites. And to this end, we need such a wrecking ball satellite immediately up there.

[Note, graphics found in sci.physics when Nomen Nescio used to spam sci.physics with a fake FAQ.]

> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
> I███████████████████].
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Satellite RIFLE to shoot down GLONASS, Iran,and BeiDou satellites.
Hooray

Hooray!! End the Ukraine war

Easiest way to end the Ukraine invasion by Russia, start felling GLONASS satellites, fell them directly with radar laser pulses or jam them to fall.

Now I thought GLONASS Russian satellites numbered in the thousands, for the Internet is lousy on this question of how many satellites, for recently BBC was vague with a estimate of 600 satellites, yet another web site said 42,000. But apparently only 24 are operational for GLONASS. And my take on this is that satellites are precarious vessels and easily for something to go wrong and be inoperative. All the better to look for flaws in engineering to down all 24 GLONASS Russian satellites.

So, easy easy Achilles tendon in all of the Russian ICBM military strategy, for knock out the 24 and you in a sense, knock out the entire Russian ICBM arsenal, for they no longer have any navigation.

And if the West is on its top shape and form in technology, we want the West Scientists to figure out how to intercept the Russian ICBM and cause it to fall upon Russia and explode upon Russia.

Get the best electronics and electrical engineers of the West to figure out how to cause all Russian launched and Chinese launched ICBMs to explode on home territory.

Caveat: if the West can do it, mind you, the Chinese and Russians will want to steal those secrets from the West and that should never be allowed--Ultimate Top Secret classification that not even a punk weirdo president like Trump cannot see, nor mention to him for he would likely sell it for a golf course in some foreign enemy country.

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From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35.
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Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictators launching rockets from North Korea.

It is respectfully request help from engineers in Japan to help fell the BeiDou satellites that navigate the illegal North Korea launches.

--- quoting Wikipedia ---
The BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS; Chinese: 北斗卫星导航系统; pinyin: Běidǒu Wèixīng Dǎoháng Xìtǒng) is a Chinese satellite navigation system. It consists of two separate satellite constellations. The first BeiDou system, officially called the BeiDou Satellite Navigation Experimental System and also known as BeiDou-1, consisted of three satellites which, beginning in 2000, offered limited coverage and navigation services, mainly for users in China and neighboring regions. BeiDou-1 was decommissioned at the end of 2012. The second generation of the system, officially called the BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS) and also known as COMPASS or BeiDou-2, became operational in China in December 2011 with a partial constellation of 10 satellites in orbit. Since December 2012, it has been offering services to customers in the Asia-Pacific region.

In 2015, China launched the third generation BeiDou system (BeiDou-3) for global coverage. The first BDS-3 satellite was launched on 30 March 2015. On 27 December 2018, BeiDou Navigation Satellite System started providing global services. The 35th and the final satellite of BDS-3 was launched into orbit on 23 June 2020. It was said in 2016 that BeiDou-3 will reach millimeter-level accuracy (with post-processing). On 23 June 2020, the final BeiDou satellite was successfully launched, the launch of the 55th satellite in the Beidou family. The third iteration of the Beidou Navigation Satellite System provides full global coverage for timing and navigation, offering an alternative to Russia's GLONASS, the European Galileo positioning system, and the US's GPS.

According to China Daily, in 2015, fifteen years after the satellite system was launched, it was generating a turnover of $31.5 billion per annum for major companies such as China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, AutoNavi Holdings Ltd., and China North Industries Group Corp. The industry has grown an average of over 20% in value annually to reach $64 billion in 2020 according to Xinhua citing data.

Domestic industry reports forecast the satellite navigation service market output value, directly generated and driven by the Beidou system, will be worth 1 trillion yuan ($156.22 billion) by 2025, and $467 billion by 2035.

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>
> From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35, that would indicate Iran has but a few satellites.
> > ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
> > I███████████████████].
> > ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
> Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictator sending drones to Russia to down Ukraine power utility electric lines.

How many of the Iran satellites are used in drones destroying Ukraine electric grid. We should immediately fell those satellites.

--- quoting Wikipedia on Iran satellites ---
On 22 April 2020, Iran successfully launched "Noor" (Farsi for "Light"), a military satellite, into a 426 x 444 km / 59.8° orbit.

On 8 March 2022, Iran reportedly sent its second “Nour-2” military satellite into 500 km orbit.[55][56]
The Khayyam, a high resolution imaging satellite, was successfully launched into orbit by a Russian Soyuz rocket on 9 August 2022
Unlaunched satellites
Nahid (1), satellite with folding solar panels.
Toloo, is the first of a new generation of reconnaissance satellites being built by Iran Electronics Industries with SIGINT capabilities. It will be launched by a Simorgh.
Nasir 1, Iran's indigenously designed satellite navigation system (SAT NAV) has been manufactured to find the precise locations of satellites moving in orbit.

Zohreh, is a geosynchronous communication satellite which was originally proposed before the Revolution in the 1970s as part of a joint Indian-Iranian project of four Iranian satellites to be launched by the then upcoming NASA Space Shuttles. Iran had also negotiated with France to build and launch the satellites but the project never materialized. In 2005, Iran negotiated with Russia to build and launch the first Zohreh satellite under an agreement worth $132 million with the satellite launch date stipulated as 2007–2008. The new agreement had followed the earlier failed negotiations with Russia in 2003 when Russia cancelled the project under US pressures.
Ekvator, a geosynchronous communications satellite built by ISS Reshetnev for Iran in a continuation of previous Russia-Iran space cooperation efforts.. As of October 2022, Ekvator is expected to be launched on a Proton-M rocket in early 2024.

On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 12:09:24 UTC+2, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> måndag 2 januari 2023 kl. 08:19:28 UTC+1 skrev Eram semper recta:
> > On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 08:22:17 UTC+2, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > söndag 1 januari 2023 kl. 22:40:09 UTC+1 skrev WM:
> > > > William schrieb am Samstag, 31. Dezember 2022 um 16:32:12 UTC+1:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 4:16:18 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > > > William schrieb am Freitag, 30. Dezember 2022 um 19:10:27 UTC+1:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 1:05:52 PM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > > > > > Could you write down them with infinite ressources? No! Always ℵo would be missing.
> > > > > > > So what? You can write down M iff M is finite. Every element of |N is finite. |N is infinite.
> > > > > > And the reason is: Most elements of ℕ are dark
> > > > > Nope. |N is a Peano set.
> > > >
> > > > ℕ_def with ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo is a Peano set.
> > > > > A Peano set cannot have a dark element.
> > > > Correct. But Cantor's set ℕ has.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, WM
> > > nope, it has no "dark element", it is a made up thing you cannot define
> > Wrong again, moron!
> >
> > A "dark element" is one that is purported to share specific properties but can never be identified.
> Which means what?

You obviously never learned about those special fractions called natural numbers.
Hint: The symbol ℕ is used repeatedly by WM. Retards like you are tone blind to it.

> >
> > In light of the above statement, WM who still has some sanity, shows you that by applying YOUR specific properties, one reaches a contradiction - in every case, but then again, you would not be "incorrigible" if you understood otherwise (as in correctly).
> He has never once found a contradiction and neither have you. Your "contradictions" boils down to "Doesn't fit what I want so bad"

Chuckle. A lie repeated many times doesn't graduate to truth - ever.

> >
> > Frankly, you can't even demonstrate one "non-finite" number or support any of your drivel without decrees and rules which YOU make up.
> Mathematics builds on the axiomatic method so tough shit, go and cry elsewhere retard.

Real mathematics has nothing to do with beliefs and religion - that is the department of cranks like you.

On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 18:19:24 UTC+2, WM wrote:
> zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 2. Januar 2023 um 07:22:17 UTC+1:
> > söndag 1 januari 2023 kl. 22:40:09 UTC+1 skrev WM:
>
> > > ℕ_def with ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo is a Peano set.
> > > > A Peano set cannot have a dark element.
> > > Correct. But Cantor's set ℕ has.
> > nope, it has no "dark element", it is a made up thing you cannot define
> For all definiable elements we see infinitely many following.

> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
> Add *only these definable elements* into a set ℕ_def, then we see
> |ℕ \ ℕ_def| = ℵo.

> Or does some magic extinguish these ℵo elements? That would be matheology but not mathematics. I do not believe in it. I hope that never one of my students will do.

WM:

This is a beautiful argument. I still think it is one of your best! :-)

It's so logical, so simple, so elegant and so convincing, that only a crank could reject it.

The following statements should be printed in GOLD on a plaque that is displayed in every mathematics department worldwide.

∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
Add *only these definable elements* into a set ℕ_def, then we see
|ℕ \ ℕ_def| = ℵo.

Just because I agree with you on this score, does not mean that I agree with all your ideas. You are wrong about several things which I have already pointed out to you.

>
> Regards, WM

On 1/2/2023 10:17 PM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Drone from WEST blow up Hilbert's Hotel, █ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
>
> How better Zelos is the West made drones over Iran drones??
> On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:07:23 AM UTC-6, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
>> It isn't, it works just fine.
>
> Angel says drones from West will blackout Volgograd,St.Petersburg, Moscow. Will they knock out Vladivostok, Angel???
>
> Zelos is all of Russian electricity on one line, so if Moscow is out, then all of Russia is out?????
>
> ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> Radio Wave & Laser Rifle to shoot down GLONASS and BeiDou satellites
>
> Xi masses troops on Russian border to take back Outer Manchuria. If you do not know the history, Russia stole Outer Manchuria and Vladivostok from China.
>
> While Putin is too busy with his personal war, Xi thinks time is ripe to get back what belongs to China in the first place. OUTER MANCHURIA and especially Vladivostok.
>
> Xi gives the Chinese people a Christmas gift--- Outer Manchuria-- the beloved Old China
>
> I am not positive we can take out GLONASS and BeiDou from ground based radio and microwaves and laser waves, even jamming.
>
> But I am certain that we can put a satellite in orbit that is a wrecking ramming satellite that does take out GLONASS and BeiDou. I am certain of this because several countries have robotic satellites that maintenance their fleet of satellites. And to this end, we need such a wrecking ball satellite immediately up there.
>
> [Note, graphics found in sci.physics when Nomen Nescio used to spam sci.physics with a fake FAQ.]
>
>
>
>> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
>> I███████████████████].
>> ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> Satellite RIFLE to shoot down GLONASS, Iran,and BeiDou satellites.
> Hooray
>
> Hooray!! End the Ukraine war
>
> Easiest way to end the Ukraine invasion by Russia, start felling GLONASS satellites, fell them directly with radar laser pulses or jam them to fall.
>
> Now I thought GLONASS Russian satellites numbered in the thousands, for the Internet is lousy on this question of how many satellites, for recently BBC was vague with a estimate of 600 satellites, yet another web site said 42,000. But apparently only 24 are operational for GLONASS. And my take on this is that satellites are precarious vessels and easily for something to go wrong and be inoperative. All the better to look for flaws in engineering to down all 24 GLONASS Russian satellites.
>
> So, easy easy Achilles tendon in all of the Russian ICBM military strategy, for knock out the 24 and you in a sense, knock out the entire Russian ICBM arsenal, for they no longer have any navigation.
>
> And if the West is on its top shape and form in technology, we want the West Scientists to figure out how to intercept the Russian ICBM and cause it to fall upon Russia and explode upon Russia.
>
> Get the best electronics and electrical engineers of the West to figure out how to cause all Russian launched and Chinese launched ICBMs to explode on home territory.
>
> Caveat: if the West can do it, mind you, the Chinese and Russians will want to steal those secrets from the West and that should never be allowed--Ultimate Top Secret classification that not even a punk weirdo president like Trump cannot see, nor mention to him for he would likely sell it for a golf course in some foreign enemy country.
>
> Google search reveals
> 24+
> GLONASS (Globalnaya Navigazionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema, or Global Navigation Satellite System) is a global GNSS owned and operated by the Russian Federation. The fully operational system consists of 24+ satellites.Oct 19, 2021
>
> Other Global Navigation Satellite Systems (GNSS) - GPS.govhttps://www.gps.gov › systems › gnss
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> As of 15 October 2022, 143 GLONASS navigation satellites have been launched, of which 131 reached the correct orbit and 24 are currently operational.
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> From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35.
>> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
>> I███████████████████].
>> ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
> Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictators launching rockets from North Korea.
>
> It is respectfully request help from engineers in Japan to help fell the BeiDou satellites that navigate the illegal North Korea launches.
>
>
> --- quoting Wikipedia ---
> The BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS; Chinese: 北斗卫星导航系统; pinyin: Běidǒu Wèixīng Dǎoháng Xìtǒng) is a Chinese satellite navigation system. It consists of two separate satellite constellations. The first BeiDou system, officially called the BeiDou Satellite Navigation Experimental System and also known as BeiDou-1, consisted of three satellites which, beginning in 2000, offered limited coverage and navigation services, mainly for users in China and neighboring regions. BeiDou-1 was decommissioned at the end of 2012. The second generation of the system, officially called the BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS) and also known as COMPASS or BeiDou-2, became operational in China in December 2011 with a partial constellation of 10 satellites in orbit. Since December 2012, it has been offering services to customers in the Asia-Pacific region.
>
> In 2015, China launched the third generation BeiDou system (BeiDou-3) for global coverage. The first BDS-3 satellite was launched on 30 March 2015. On 27 December 2018, BeiDou Navigation Satellite System started providing global services. The 35th and the final satellite of BDS-3 was launched into orbit on 23 June 2020. It was said in 2016 that BeiDou-3 will reach millimeter-level accuracy (with post-processing). On 23 June 2020, the final BeiDou satellite was successfully launched, the launch of the 55th satellite in the Beidou family. The third iteration of the Beidou Navigation Satellite System provides full global coverage for timing and navigation, offering an alternative to Russia's GLONASS, the European Galileo positioning system, and the US's GPS.
>
> According to China Daily, in 2015, fifteen years after the satellite system was launched, it was generating a turnover of $31.5 billion per annum for major companies such as China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, AutoNavi Holdings Ltd., and China North Industries Group Corp. The industry has grown an average of over 20% in value annually to reach $64 billion in 2020 according to Xinhua citing data.
>
> Domestic industry reports forecast the satellite navigation service market output value, directly generated and driven by the Beidou system, will be worth 1 trillion yuan ($156.22 billion) by 2025, and $467 billion by 2035.
>
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>>
>> From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35, that would indicate Iran has but a few satellites.
>>> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
>>> I███████████████████].
>>> ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
>> Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
>> Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictator sending drones to Russia to down Ukraine power utility electric lines.
>
> How many of the Iran satellites are used in drones destroying Ukraine electric grid. We should immediately fell those satellites.
>
> --- quoting Wikipedia on Iran satellites ---
> On 22 April 2020, Iran successfully launched "Noor" (Farsi for "Light"), a military satellite, into a 426 x 444 km / 59.8° orbit.
>
> On 8 March 2022, Iran reportedly sent its second “Nour-2” military satellite into 500 km orbit.[55][56]
> The Khayyam, a high resolution imaging satellite, was successfully launched into orbit by a Russian Soyuz rocket on 9 August 2022
> Unlaunched satellites
> Nahid (1), satellite with folding solar panels.
> Toloo, is the first of a new generation of reconnaissance satellites being built by Iran Electronics Industries with SIGINT capabilities. It will be launched by a Simorgh.
> Nasir 1, Iran's indigenously designed satellite navigation system (SAT NAV) has been manufactured to find the precise locations of satellites moving in orbit.
>
> Zohreh, is a geosynchronous communication satellite which was originally proposed before the Revolution in the 1970s as part of a joint Indian-Iranian project of four Iranian satellites to be launched by the then upcoming NASA Space Shuttles. Iran had also negotiated with France to build and launch the satellites but the project never materialized. In 2005, Iran negotiated with Russia to build and launch the first Zohreh satellite under an agreement worth $132 million with the satellite launch date stipulated as 2007–2008. The new agreement had followed the earlier failed negotiations with Russia in 2003 when Russia cancelled the project under US pressures.
> Ekvator, a geosynchronous communications satellite built by ISS Reshetnev for Iran in a continuation of previous Russia-Iran space cooperation efforts. As of October 2022, Ekvator is expected to be launched on a Proton-M rocket in early 2024.
>
>
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>>
>> From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35, that would indicate Iran has but a few satellites. And North Korea fewer yet.
>
>
>>> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
>>> I███████████████████].
>>> ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
>
> Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the 3 North Korean satellites.
>
>
> Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictator with his endless illegal missile launches. Launches that do nothing of good for anyone. Not even the idiot petty dictator.
>
> Internet search reveals 3 satellites for North Korea. I suspect though, that North Korea launches Chinese missiles and uses BeiDou satellites.
>
> Kwangmyongsong -4
>
> Kwangmyongsong -3
>
> Kwangmyongsong -2
>
> Knock all 3 satellites out with the radio-Laser Wave gun. And that will put an end to the petty dictators toys.
>
> Asking for help from Japan in assistance.

drone hit on Moscow electric lines ██۞██

Would a single drone demolish Hilbert's Hotel?

Good idea, Chris, hide warrior satellites inside weather satellites.

Has Augel shot down Kwangmyongsong-3 NK satellite, but I believe Augel shot some more spam across the bow of sci.math and sci.physics// but we can only dream ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃ Augel how is the Moscow electric blackouts coming ██۞██Moscow

On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 2:33:14 AM UTC-6, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 1/2/2023 10:17 PM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> > Drone from WEST blow up Hilbert's Hotel, █ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> >
> > How better Zelos is the West made drones over Iran drones??
> > On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 12:07:23 AM UTC-6, zelos...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> It isn't, it works just fine.
> >
> > Angel says drones from West will blackout Volgograd,St.Petersburg, Moscow. Will they knock out Vladivostok, Angel???
> >
> > Zelos is all of Russian electricity on one line, so if Moscow is out, then all of Russia is out?????
> >
> > ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> > Radio Wave & Laser Rifle to shoot down GLONASS and BeiDou satellites
> >
> > Xi masses troops on Russian border to take back Outer Manchuria. If you do not know the history, Russia stole Outer Manchuria and Vladivostok from China.
> >
> > While Putin is too busy with his personal war, Xi thinks time is ripe to get back what belongs to China in the first place. OUTER MANCHURIA and especially Vladivostok.
> >
> > Xi gives the Chinese people a Christmas gift--- Outer Manchuria-- the beloved Old China
> >
> > I am not positive we can take out GLONASS and BeiDou from ground based radio and microwaves and laser waves, even jamming.
> >
> > But I am certain that we can put a satellite in orbit that is a wrecking ramming satellite that does take out GLONASS and BeiDou. I am certain of this because several countries have robotic satellites that maintenance their fleet of satellites. And to this end, we need such a wrecking ball satellite immediately up there.
> >
> > [Note, graphics found in sci.physics when Nomen Nescio used to spam sci..physics with a fake FAQ.]
> >
> >
> >
> >> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
> >> I███████████████████].
> >> ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> > Satellite RIFLE to shoot down GLONASS, Iran,and BeiDou satellites.
> > Hooray
> >
> > Hooray!! End the Ukraine war
> >
> > Easiest way to end the Ukraine invasion by Russia, start felling GLONASS satellites, fell them directly with radar laser pulses or jam them to fall.
> >
> > Now I thought GLONASS Russian satellites numbered in the thousands, for the Internet is lousy on this question of how many satellites, for recently BBC was vague with a estimate of 600 satellites, yet another web site said 42,000. But apparently only 24 are operational for GLONASS. And my take on this is that satellites are precarious vessels and easily for something to go wrong and be inoperative. All the better to look for flaws in engineering to down all 24 GLONASS Russian satellites.
> >
> > So, easy easy Achilles tendon in all of the Russian ICBM military strategy, for knock out the 24 and you in a sense, knock out the entire Russian ICBM arsenal, for they no longer have any navigation.
> >
> > And if the West is on its top shape and form in technology, we want the West Scientists to figure out how to intercept the Russian ICBM and cause it to fall upon Russia and explode upon Russia.
> >
> > Get the best electronics and electrical engineers of the West to figure out how to cause all Russian launched and Chinese launched ICBMs to explode on home territory.
> >
> > Caveat: if the West can do it, mind you, the Chinese and Russians will want to steal those secrets from the West and that should never be allowed--Ultimate Top Secret classification that not even a punk weirdo president like Trump cannot see, nor mention to him for he would likely sell it for a golf course in some foreign enemy country.
> >
> > Google search reveals
> > 24+
> > GLONASS (Globalnaya Navigazionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema, or Global Navigation Satellite System) is a global GNSS owned and operated by the Russian Federation. The fully operational system consists of 24+ satellites.Oct 19, 2021
> >
> > Other Global Navigation Satellite Systems (GNSS) - GPS.govhttps://www.gps.gov › systems › gnss
> > About featured snippets
> > •
> > Feedback
> > People also ask
> > How many satellites are in the GLONASS?
> > As of 15 October 2022, 143 GLONASS navigation satellites have been launched, of which 131 reached the correct orbit and 24 are currently operational.
> >
> > List of GLONASS satellites - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › List_of_GLONASS_sa...
> > Search for: How many satellites are in the GLONASS?
> > Archimedes Plutonium's profile photo
> > Archimedes Plutonium
> > Nov 5, 2022, 11:02:21 PM
> > to Plutonium Atom Universe
> > ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> > Radio Wave--Laser Rifle felling BeiDou satellites
> >
> > From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35.
> >> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
> >> I███████████████████].
> >> ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> > Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
> > Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictators launching rockets from North Korea.
> >
> > It is respectfully request help from engineers in Japan to help fell the BeiDou satellites that navigate the illegal North Korea launches.
> >
> >
> > --- quoting Wikipedia ---
> > The BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS; Chinese: 北斗卫星导航系统; pinyin: Běidǒu Wèixīng Dǎoháng Xìtǒng) is a Chinese satellite navigation system. It consists of two separate satellite constellations. The first BeiDou system, officially called the BeiDou Satellite Navigation Experimental System and also known as BeiDou-1, consisted of three satellites which, beginning in 2000, offered limited coverage and navigation services, mainly for users in China and neighboring regions. BeiDou-1 was decommissioned at the end of 2012. The second generation of the system, officially called the BeiDou Navigation Satellite System (BDS) and also known as COMPASS or BeiDou-2, became operational in China in December 2011 with a partial constellation of 10 satellites in orbit. Since December 2012, it has been offering services to customers in the Asia-Pacific region.
> >
> > In 2015, China launched the third generation BeiDou system (BeiDou-3) for global coverage. The first BDS-3 satellite was launched on 30 March 2015.. On 27 December 2018, BeiDou Navigation Satellite System started providing global services. The 35th and the final satellite of BDS-3 was launched into orbit on 23 June 2020. It was said in 2016 that BeiDou-3 will reach millimeter-level accuracy (with post-processing). On 23 June 2020, the final BeiDou satellite was successfully launched, the launch of the 55th satellite in the Beidou family. The third iteration of the Beidou Navigation Satellite System provides full global coverage for timing and navigation, offering an alternative to Russia's GLONASS, the European Galileo positioning system, and the US's GPS.
> >
> > According to China Daily, in 2015, fifteen years after the satellite system was launched, it was generating a turnover of $31.5 billion per annum for major companies such as China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, AutoNavi Holdings Ltd., and China North Industries Group Corp. The industry has grown an average of over 20% in value annually to reach $64 billion in 2020 according to Xinhua citing data.
> >
> > Domestic industry reports forecast the satellite navigation service market output value, directly generated and driven by the Beidou system, will be worth 1 trillion yuan ($156.22 billion) by 2025, and $467 billion by 2035.
> >
> > Archimedes Plutonium
> > Nov 5, 2022, 11:20:20 PM
> > to Plutonium Atom Universe
> > ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> > Radio Wave--Laser Rifle felling Iran satellites
> >>
> >> From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35, that would indicate Iran has but a few satellites.
> >>> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
> >>> I███████████████████].
> >>> ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> >> Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the premier BeiDou satellite.
> >> Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictator sending drones to Russia to down Ukraine power utility electric lines.
> >
> > How many of the Iran satellites are used in drones destroying Ukraine electric grid. We should immediately fell those satellites.
> >
> > --- quoting Wikipedia on Iran satellites ---
> > On 22 April 2020, Iran successfully launched "Noor" (Farsi for "Light"), a military satellite, into a 426 x 444 km / 59.8° orbit.
> >
> > On 8 March 2022, Iran reportedly sent its second “Nour-2” military satellite into 500 km orbit.[55][56]
> > The Khayyam, a high resolution imaging satellite, was successfully launched into orbit by a Russian Soyuz rocket on 9 August 2022
> > Unlaunched satellites
> > Nahid (1), satellite with folding solar panels.
> > Toloo, is the first of a new generation of reconnaissance satellites being built by Iran Electronics Industries with SIGINT capabilities. It will be launched by a Simorgh.
> > Nasir 1, Iran's indigenously designed satellite navigation system (SAT NAV) has been manufactured to find the precise locations of satellites moving in orbit.
> >
> > Zohreh, is a geosynchronous communication satellite which was originally proposed before the Revolution in the 1970s as part of a joint Indian-Iranian project of four Iranian satellites to be launched by the then upcoming NASA Space Shuttles. Iran had also negotiated with France to build and launch the satellites but the project never materialized. In 2005, Iran negotiated with Russia to build and launch the first Zohreh satellite under an agreement worth $132 million with the satellite launch date stipulated as 2007–2008. The new agreement had followed the earlier failed negotiations with Russia in 2003 when Russia cancelled the project under US pressures.
> > Ekvator, a geosynchronous communications satellite built by ISS Reshetnev for Iran in a continuation of previous Russia-Iran space cooperation efforts. As of October 2022, Ekvator is expected to be launched on a Proton-M rocket in early 2024.
> >
> >
> > Archimedes Plutonium
> > Nov 5, 2022, 11:38:31 PM
> > to Plutonium Atom Universe
> > ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> > Radio Wave--Laser Rifle felling North Korean satellites
> >>
> >> From what I gather on internet, Russia has 24 satellites in operation while BeiDou China has 35, that would indicate Iran has but a few satellites. And North Korea fewer yet.
> >
> >
> >>> ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
> >>> I███████████████████].
> >>> ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> >
> > Radio Wave-- LASER RIFLE to shoot down the 3 North Korean satellites.
> >
> >
> > Ending the dumb and stupid petty dictator with his endless illegal missile launches. Launches that do nothing of good for anyone. Not even the idiot petty dictator.
> >
> > Internet search reveals 3 satellites for North Korea. I suspect though, that North Korea launches Chinese missiles and uses BeiDou satellites.
> >
> > Kwangmyongsong -4
> >
> > Kwangmyongsong -3
> >
> > Kwangmyongsong -2
> >
> > Knock all 3 satellites out with the radio-Laser Wave gun. And that will put an end to the petty dictators toys.
> >
> > Asking for help from Japan in assistance.
> Vast networks of undercover "weather satellites" suddenly go into
> "active" mode, and start dealing lethal attacks to enemy satellites via
> directed energy weapons? ;^)

Eram semper recta schrieb am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2023 um 07:53:23 UTC+1:
> On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 18:19:24 UTC+2, WM wrote:

> > For all definiable elements we see infinitely many following.
>
> > ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
> > Add *only these definable elements* into a set ℕ_def, then we see
> > |ℕ \ ℕ_def| = ℵo.
>
> > Or does some magic extinguish these ℵo elements? That would be matheology but not mathematics. I do not believe in it. I hope that never one of my students will do.
> WM:
>
> This is a beautiful argument. I still think it is one of your best! :-)
>
> It's so logical, so simple, so elegant and so convincing, that only a crank could reject it.
>
> The following statements should be printed in GOLD on a plaque that is displayed in every mathematics department worldwide.
> ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
> Add *only these definable elements* into a set ℕ_def, then we see
> |ℕ \ ℕ_def| = ℵo.

Thank you.

> Just because I agree with you on this score, does not mean that I agree with all your ideas. You are wrong about several things which I have already pointed out to you.

It is not necessary to agree in all aspects, but I am very glad that you can see what all the rest is too blind to see.

What is the reason for this blindness? They have understood this:

For every natnumber there is a larger natnumber. True.
There is a natnumber larger than all natnumbers. False.

But why is this false? It is false because a single natnumber larger than all would be definable. The characteristic property of dark numbers (if they exist at all!) is just their undefinability, their collective appearance.

This forces all those, who are not as bright as you, to believe that when collecting all natnumbers which have successors, these successors vanish. Of course it is nonsense, but I would be very surprised if anyone of them could comprehend this.

Their worst claim is that *infinite* endsegments can have an empty intersection. I cannot comprehend how such a mistake can prevail after years.

Regards, WM

Ben Bacarisse schrieb am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2023 um 02:45:17 UTC+1:
> A valid (and complete) room
> assignment is available both for the old set of guests and for the new
> set of guests. No room need to be added.
>
Hilbert's hotel can easily be misinterpreted by unsharp minds. Compared with infinitely many guests one more guest is nearly same as no more guest. The better argument is this: The number of not indexed fractions remains |ℕ|*(|ℕ|-1) for all definable terms of the sequence 1/1, 1/2, 2/1, 1/3, 2/2, 3/1, 1/4, 2/3, 3/2, 4/1, 1/5, 2/4, 3/3, 4/2, 5/1, 1/6, 2/5, 3/4, 4/3, 5/2, 6/1, ... . Hence |ℕ|*(|ℕ|-1) fractions cannot be indexed by definable indices.

Regards, WM

zelos...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 2. Januar 2023 um 19:31:01 UTC+1:
> måndag 2 januari 2023 kl. 17:19:24 UTC+1 skrev WM:

> > For all definiable elements we see infinitely many following.
> > ∀n ∈ ℕ_def: |ℕ \ {1, 2, 3, ..., n}| = ℵo
> > Add *only these definable elements* into a set ℕ_def, then we see
> > |ℕ \ ℕ_def| = ℵo.
> > Or does some magic extinguish these ℵo elements? That would be matheology but not mathematics. I do not believe in it. I hope that never one of my students will do.

> So again, that is literally EVERY element in N, so N_def=N

Every definable endsegment belongs to the set {E(k) : k ∈ ℕ_def} all elements of which yield
∀k ∈ ℕ_def: ∩{E(1), E(2), ..., E(k)} = ℵ₀.
Collecting all of them into the set we get
∩{E(k) : k ∈ ℕ_def}= ℵ₀ .
(We stop to collect as soon as the intersection decreases.)

That cannot be all endsegments because
∩{E(k) : k ∈ ℕ} = { } .

Therefore ℕ_def =/= ℕ .

Regards, WM