How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:03:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process

Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
to make them regret it.

We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
robots.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt

On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:10:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<1ktg8itqa8stpp9g52p8nhneuknfhsv61u@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:03:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process
>
>Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
>to make them regret it.
>
>We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
>solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
>a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
>robots.
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt

Yes, but the little arms look more human :-)

As to more human, was trying some more AI chat links today,
bit disappointing. thing did not even know that it was more than just a program...
(hardware it runs on).
And an other one: 'we' went into Einstein and gravity and math, and it knew about everything we can find on the internet too,
but failed at deducing things...
Mostly a world wide web data parrot.

AI has a long way to go :-)

Jan Panteltje wrote:
> John Larkin wrote:
>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>>>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process
>>
>>Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
>>to make them regret it.
>>
>>We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
>>solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
>>a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
>>robots.
>>
>>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt
>
> Yes, but the little arms look more human :-)
>
> As to more human, was trying some more AI chat links today,
> bit disappointing. thing did not even know that it was more than just a program...
> (hardware it runs on).
> And an other one: 'we' went into Einstein and gravity and math, and it knew about everything we can find on the internet too,
> but failed at deducing things...
> Mostly a world wide web data parrot.
>
> AI has a long way to go :-)

Some of my colleagues operate a Da Vinci robot with more arms than
Shiva:

<https://www.intuitive.com/en-us/patients/da-vinci-robotic-surgery>

ChatGPT's fairly competent as a programming language reference. It shows
specific source code syntax after you feed it a few superficial hints.

Danke,

--
Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:59:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:10:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
><1ktg8itqa8stpp9g52p8nhneuknfhsv61u@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:03:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process
>>
>>Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
>>to make them regret it.
>>
>>We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
>>solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
>>a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
>>robots.
>>
>>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt
>
>Yes, but the little arms look more human :-)
>
>As to more human, was trying some more AI chat links today,
>bit disappointing. thing did not even know that it was more than just a program...
>(hardware it runs on).
>And an other one: 'we' went into Einstein and gravity and math, and it knew about everything we can find on the internet too,
>but failed at deducing things...
>Mostly a world wide web data parrot.
>
>AI has a long way to go :-)

I suspect the versions we plebs are allowed access to are crippled in
some respects compared to the ones currently in development.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:08:44 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:59:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:10:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>><1ktg8itqa8stpp9g52p8nhneuknfhsv61u@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:03:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process
>>>
>>>Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
>>>to make them regret it.
>>>
>>>We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
>>>solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
>>>a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
>>>robots.
>>>
>>>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt
>>
>>Yes, but the little arms look more human :-)
>>
>>As to more human, was trying some more AI chat links today,
>>bit disappointing. thing did not even know that it was more than just a program...
>>(hardware it runs on).
>>And an other one: 'we' went into Einstein and gravity and math, and it knew about everything we can find on the internet too,
>>but failed at deducing things...
>>Mostly a world wide web data parrot.
>>
>>AI has a long way to go :-)
>
>I suspect the versions we plebs are allowed access to are crippled in
>some respects compared to the ones currently in development.

Or, as likely, AI is mostly a scam.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:12:12 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:08:44 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:59:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:10:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>>><1ktg8itqa8stpp9g52p8nhneuknfhsv61u@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:03:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process
>>>>
>>>>Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
>>>>to make them regret it.
>>>>
>>>>We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
>>>>solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
>>>>a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
>>>>robots.
>>>>
>>>>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt
>>>
>>>Yes, but the little arms look more human :-)
>>>
>>>As to more human, was trying some more AI chat links today,
>>>bit disappointing. thing did not even know that it was more than just a program...
>>>(hardware it runs on).
>>>And an other one: 'we' went into Einstein and gravity and math, and it knew about everything we can find on the internet too,
>>>but failed at deducing things...
>>>Mostly a world wide web data parrot.
>>>
>>>AI has a long way to go :-)
>>
>>I suspect the versions we plebs are allowed access to are crippled in
>>some respects compared to the ones currently in development.
>
>Or, as likely, AI is mostly a scam.

As always with anything new and shiny.

But they are coming for things like web development, a very large
economic niche.

AlphaCode and “data-driven” programming - Is ignoring everything that
is known about code the best way to write programs??

..<https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8258>

Competition-level code generation with AlphaCode

..<https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq1158>

The actual article will be very heavy going if one is not familiar
with AI programming.

This is the Deep Mind crowd, owned by Google.

Joe Gwinn

On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:12:12 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<8smh8ih20hscss8nsrkcpmjoed2b0klt3a@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:08:44 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:59:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:10:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>>><1ktg8itqa8stpp9g52p8nhneuknfhsv61u@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:03:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process
>>>>
>>>>Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
>>>>to make them regret it.
>>>>
>>>>We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
>>>>solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
>>>>a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
>>>>robots.
>>>>
>>>>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt
>>>
>>>Yes, but the little arms look more human :-)
>>>
>>>As to more human, was trying some more AI chat links today,
>>>bit disappointing. thing did not even know that it was more than just a program...
>>>(hardware it runs on).
>>>And an other one: 'we' went into Einstein and gravity and math, and it knew about everything we can find on the internet too,
>>>but failed at deducing things...
>>>Mostly a world wide web data parrot.
>>>
>>>AI has a long way to go :-)
>>
>>I suspect the versions we plebs are allowed access to are crippled in
>>some respects compared to the ones currently in development.
>
>Or, as likely, AI is mostly a scam.

Now in the EU they are working on all sort of laws to prevent for example fake news and other AI generated things
that could somehow cause trouble (for the current politicians / system ;-) ).
Seems difficult to me... but ever more censoring and control.
What is real? then becomes the issue, for sure politicians / states will use it to control the people..

So, WW3, high altitude nukes, no more electrickety ?

Maybe the same happened when book printing was invented, all sort of stories ....
And movies, same...

I was reading one of the Beatles, Paul Mccartney, is making a new song using AI with the voice of John Lennon in it....
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/beatles-ai-song-paul-mccartney-final-record-released-this-year/
I will listen to it when it comes out, but ?
I had most of their records back then, still some on the PC here.

On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 18:58:03 -0400) it happened Joe Gwinn
<joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in <mtsh8ilq1da2jef9b818keupja9ntv75hc@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:12:12 -0700, John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 19:08:44 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 14:59:54 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:10:37 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>>>><1ktg8itqa8stpp9g52p8nhneuknfhsv61u@4ax.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 07:03:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process
>>>>>
>>>>>Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
>>>>>to make them regret it.
>>>>>
>>>>>We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
>>>>>solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
>>>>>a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
>>>>>robots.
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but the little arms look more human :-)
>>>>
>>>>As to more human, was trying some more AI chat links today,
>>>>bit disappointing. thing did not even know that it was more than just a program...
>>>>(hardware it runs on).
>>>>And an other one: 'we' went into Einstein and gravity and math, and it knew about everything we can find on the internet
>>>>too,
>>>>but failed at deducing things...
>>>>Mostly a world wide web data parrot.
>>>>
>>>>AI has a long way to go :-)
>>>
>>>I suspect the versions we plebs are allowed access to are crippled in
>>>some respects compared to the ones currently in development.
>>
>>Or, as likely, AI is mostly a scam.
>
>As always with anything new and shiny.
>
>But they are coming for things like web development, a very large
>economic niche.
>
>AlphaCode and �data-driven� programming - Is ignoring everything that
>is known about code the best way to write programs??
>
>.<https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8258>

Yes, I was wondering how it would write a GPS module output parser in PIC 18F asm
to get position and speed.
Maybe it would find my GPL code and use it ??

>Competition-level code generation with AlphaCode
>
>.<https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq1158>

After all a program is just like travel instructions using a map, go left, second right, turn left again...
but you have to know where you are going...
There is a lot more involved than just 'code'.

I have seen AI generated python code a few days back... for a simple text reversal challenge.
Would be even clearer in C, but the question is always what / how does it fit into what you actually want to do.
That is the higher level issue.
So we will see where it will go.
Striking to capitalism would be if it wrote code that needed less bloat, hardware,
that would hamper sales hehehehe! :-) LOL, and then AI would be forbidden!
I mean we now need 8 GB of RAM and several GHz clock speed to say "Hello world", plus about a terabyte of OS and
daily upgrades, its big business.

>The actual article will be very heavy going if one is not familiar
>with AI programming.
>
>This is the Deep Mind crowd, owned by Google.
>
>Joe Gwinn
>

On a sunny day (Tue, 13 Jun 2023 16:52:31 -0000 (UTC)) it happened "Don"
<g@crcomp.net> wrote in <20240613a@crcomp.net>:

>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>
>>>>How Raspberry Pis Are Made:
>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturing-process
>>>
>>>Cool. Pi supplies got whacked by scalpers and the Foundation is going
>>>to make them regret it.
>>>
>>>We have a Yamaha pick-and-place assembly line, somebody's selective
>>>solder machine for thru-hole parts, automated optical inspection, and
>>>a Boss laser for blasting graphics onto boxes. I guess those are
>>>robots.
>>>
>>>https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ly5t1ve5c08qxzqgxzmld/20200520_175949.jpg?dl=0&rlkey=hnj1af2tr7i1icp2oml1549kt
>>
>> Yes, but the little arms look more human :-)
>>
>> As to more human, was trying some more AI chat links today,
>> bit disappointing. thing did not even know that it was more than just a program...
>> (hardware it runs on).
>> And an other one: 'we' went into Einstein and gravity and math, and it knew about everything we can find on the internet too,
>> but failed at deducing things...
>> Mostly a world wide web data parrot.
>>
>> AI has a long way to go :-)
>
>Some of my colleagues operate a Da Vinci robot with more arms than
>Shiva:
>
><https://www.intuitive.com/en-us/patients/da-vinci-robotic-surgery>

Nice, a but not autonomous

>ChatGPT's fairly competent as a programming language reference. It shows
>specific source code syntax after you feed it a few superficial hints.

I like to code in asm and C...
I also tried the new google AI thing but got: 'Not available in your country'.
Maybe it will be made available later.
Have not tried it via anonymiser yet ;-)

Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

> Now in the EU they are working on all sort of laws to prevent for example
> fake news and other AI generated things
> that could somehow cause trouble (for the current politicians / system ;-) ).
> Seems difficult to me... but ever more censoring and control.
> What is real? then becomes the issue, for sure politicians / states will
> use it to control the people..
>
> So, WW3, high altitude nukes, no more electrickety ?
>
> Maybe the same happened when book printing was invented, all sort of stories ....
> And movies, same...
>
> I was reading one of the Beatles, Paul Mccartney, is making a new song
> using AI with the voice of John Lennon in it....
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/beatles-ai-song-paul-mccartney-final-record-released-this-year/
> I will listen to it when it comes out, but ?
> I had most of their records back then, still some on the PC here.

Deep Fake gooberment lawlessness ought to be outlawed.

Maybe Beatlemaniacs will finally experience the coveted reunion?

Danke,

--
Don, KB7RPU, https://www.qsl.net/kb7rpu
There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.

On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jun 2023 16:04:28 -0000 (UTC)) it happened "Don"
<g@crcomp.net> wrote in <20240614a@crcomp.net>:

>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Now in the EU they are working on all sort of laws to prevent for example
>> fake news and other AI generated things
>> that could somehow cause trouble (for the current politicians / system ;-) ).
>> Seems difficult to me... but ever more censoring and control.
>> What is real? then becomes the issue, for sure politicians / states will
>> use it to control the people..
>>
>> So, WW3, high altitude nukes, no more electrickety ?
>>
>> Maybe the same happened when book printing was invented, all sort of stories ....
>> And movies, same...
>>
>> I was reading one of the Beatles, Paul Mccartney, is making a new song
>> using AI with the voice of John Lennon in it....
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/beatles-ai-song-paul-mccartney-final-record-released-this-year/
>> I will listen to it when it comes out, but ?
>> I had most of their records back then, still some on the PC here.
>
>Deep Fake gooberment lawlessness ought to be outlawed.
>
>Maybe Beatlemaniacs will finally experience the coveted reunion?
>
>Danke,

I had some of those Jehovah's Witnesses I think it was at the door..
we got into a discussion (could not resist) about the Bible
They told me it had been edited 600 times or so...
Control by religions .. make believe.. Rain dances in the jungle

So, use logic and common sense.
Strawberry fields forever...
https://genius.com/The-beatles-strawberry-fields-forever-lyrics