https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
Nikon reportedly joins Canon in ending development on high-end DSLR cameras

Smaller, lighter mirrorless cameras have mostly caught up to DSLR image
quality.

For its part, Nikon has denounced the report as "speculation" and stresses
that the company "is continuing the production, sales, and service of
digital SLR." But this rebuttal does not mention the development of future
SLR cameras-the company's last new DSLR, the Nikon D6, was released in
February 2020, and the company discontinued its entry-level D3500 and D5600
DSLR cameras last month. The Nikkei report indicates that Nikon's
development efforts will shift to mirrorless cameras, which are smaller and
more lightweight.

Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or lens
selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide. But
newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while
retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras also
usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need
their cameras to multitask.

Nikon's biggest competitor in the dedicated camera business, Canon, has
also indicated that it is winding down its DSLR development efforts; the
company announced in late 2021 that its EOS-1D X Mark III would be its last
professional DSLR model. Canon will also shift focus to its mirrorless
lineup, though it will continue developing and producing entry-level DSLR
cameras "for the time being."

On 2022-07-13, NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
> Nikon reportedly joins Canon in ending development on high-end DSLR cameras
>
> Smaller, lighter mirrorless cameras have mostly caught up to DSLR image
> quality.

They caught up years ago when sensor sizes became the same as those used
in DLSRs.

> Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or lens
> selection of DSLR cameras,

Early mirrorless cameras aren't a fair comparison.

> and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.

They still do.

> But
> newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings

"Largely"? Maybe if you're comparing apples with oranges.

Am 13.07.2022 um 10:58 schrieb Incubus:
>> and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
> They still do.

And EVFs can do things which OVFs can't do.

--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

In article <PGCzK.433821$AS_9.165477@fx12.ams1>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
> >> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
> > They still do.
>
> And EVFs can do things which OVFs can't do.

and ovfs can do things that evfs cannot, zero lag being one of the most
important.

On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
(snip)>
> Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or lens
> selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide. But
> newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while
> retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras also
> usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need
> their cameras to multitask.
>
What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
'70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful
information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting
high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.

--
best regards,

Neil

Am 13.07.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Neil:
> On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
>>
> (snip)>
>> Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or
>> lens
>> selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
>> But
>> newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while
>> retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras
>> also
>> usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need
>> their cameras to multitask.
>>
> What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
> optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
> '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
> of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
> mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful
> information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting
> high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.

One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
you get.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

In article <x%HzK.244410$MWc5.69499@fx06.ams1>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
> you get.

that is not a problem at all.

On 2022-07-13, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Am 13.07.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Neil:
>> On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
>>>
>> (snip)>
>>> Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or
>>> lens
>>> selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
>>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
>>> But
>>> newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while
>>> retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras
>>> also
>>> usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need
>>> their cameras to multitask.
>>>
>> What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
>> optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
>> '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
>> of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
>> mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful
>> information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting
>> high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.
>
> One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
> you get.

Lots of photographers edit their photographs so it's not so important
unless you do everything in-camera. For those who do everything
in-camera, understanding exposure, camera settings and using the right
techniques to deal with difficult exposure don't change. It's just less
convenient.

On 13 Jul 2022 at 18:07:39 BST, nospam wrote:

> In article <PGCzK.433821$AS_9.165477@fx12.ams1>, Alfred Molon
> <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
>>>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
>>> They still do.
>>
>> And EVFs can do things which OVFs can't do.
>
> and ovfs can do things that evfs cannot, zero lag being one of the most
> important.

And how is the state of play with EVFs?

Although not bad as such, the EVF on my Olympus E-M10 is, along with the
autofocus, the most troublesome aspect of the camera for me. Is there a
mid-range mirrorless with a significantly improved EVF?

--
Cheers, Rob

Am 14.07.2022 um 12:28 schrieb Incubus:
> On 2022-07-13, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Am 13.07.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Neil:
>>> On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
>>>>
>>> (snip)>
>>>> Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or
>>>> lens
>>>> selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
>>>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
>>>> But
>>>> newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while
>>>> retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras
>>>> also
>>>> usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need
>>>> their cameras to multitask.
>>>>
>>> What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
>>> optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
>>> '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
>>> of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
>>> mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful
>>> information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting
>>> high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.
>>
>> One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
>> you get.
>
> Lots of photographers edit their photographs so it's not so important
> unless you do everything in-camera. For those who do everything
> in-camera, understanding exposure, camera settings and using the right
> techniques to deal with difficult exposure don't change. It's just less
> convenient.

With an OVF you might blow the highlights without even realising it.
Nothing you can fix in post.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

In article <zDXzK.550116$Gx85.156882@fx07.ams1>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> With an OVF you might blow the highlights without even realising it.
> Nothing you can fix in post.

highlights can be blown regardless of the type of viewfinder.

On 2022-07-14, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Am 14.07.2022 um 12:28 schrieb Incubus:
>> On 2022-07-13, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Am 13.07.2022 um 20:55 schrieb Neil:
>>>> On 7/12/2022 11:44 PM, NewsKrawler wrote:
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/nikon-will-reportedly-join-canon-in-ending-development-on-high-end-dslr-cameras/
>>>>>
>>>> (snip)>
>>>>> Early mirrorless cameras generally couldn't match the image quality or
>>>>> lens
>>>>> selection of DSLR cameras, and their electronic viewfinders lagged behind
>>>>> the real-time previews that a DSLR's optical viewfinder could provide.
>>>>> But
>>>>> newer mirrorless cameras have largely addressed those shortcomings while
>>>>> retaining their smaller sizes and lighter weights. Mirrorless cameras
>>>>> also
>>>>> usually offer superior video quality, which is useful for people who need
>>>>> their cameras to multitask.
>>>>>
>>>> What is often overlooked is that EVFs serve a different purpose than
>>>> optical viewfinders. Going back to professional video cameras in the
>>>> '70s, the EVFs showed color balance, overexposure, and other qualities
>>>> of the "sensor", which were tubes. The same is true of the EVFs in
>>>> mirrorless cameras, with the better quality cameras showing more useful
>>>> information. So, while lag is important for some uses such as shooting
>>>> high-speed events, it does not always result in the best image quality.
>>>
>>> One big problem with OVFs is that what you see is not necessarily what
>>> you get.
>>
>> Lots of photographers edit their photographs so it's not so important
>> unless you do everything in-camera. For those who do everything
>> in-camera, understanding exposure, camera settings and using the right
>> techniques to deal with difficult exposure don't change. It's just less
>> convenient.
>
> With an OVF you might blow the highlights without even realising it.
> Nothing you can fix in post.

A competent photographer will be able to avoid that. You can even
automate it on some cameras, for example with Nikon's "highlight weighted"
metering.