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by: legg - Wed, 28 Jun 2023 14:39 UTC

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>
>High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?

Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.

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by: Carlos E.R. - Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:40 UTC

On 2023-06-28 16:39, legg wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>
>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>
> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
> inducing tracking.

Unless the wind comes from the Sahara down south (I'm in Spain). It
rains mud.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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by: John S - Thu, 29 Jun 2023 23:42 UTC

On 6/28/2023 9:39 AM, legg wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>
>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>
> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
> inducing tracking.
>
> RL

I think rain is acid nowadays. Isn't it?

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by: legg - Fri, 30 Jun 2023 15:06 UTC

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:42:32 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
wrote:

>On 6/28/2023 9:39 AM, legg wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>>
>>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>>
>> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
>> inducing tracking.
>>
>> RL
>
>I think rain is acid nowadays. Isn't it?

Depends on what it's come into contact with, on the way down
and how much rain has preceded it.

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by: Commander Kinsey - Sat, 1 Jul 2023 18:58 UTC

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>
>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>
> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
> inducing tracking.

Rainwater is not deionized, surely?

Also, you can feel it in the air if you stand underneath.

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by: Carlos E.R. - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 10:40 UTC

On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>>
>>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>>
>> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
>> inducing tracking.
>
> Rainwater is not deionized, surely?

Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere

--
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by: John Larkin - Sun, 2 Jul 2023 11:25 UTC

On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:40:32 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
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>On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>>>
>>>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>>>
>>> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
>>> inducing tracking.
>>
>> Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
>
>Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
>liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere

Natural, clean rain water is acidic, pH around 5.5. It eats iron or
lead pipes, so utilities sometimes run it over limestone chips or
something.

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by: Commander Kinsey - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 02:02 UTC

On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 12:25:47 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:40:32 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>>>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>>>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>>>>
>>>>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>>>>
>>>> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
>>>> inducing tracking.
>>>
>>> Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
>>
>> Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
>> liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere
>
> Natural, clean rain water is acidic, pH around 5.5.

Would that make it conduct?

Is it acidic because of that alledgedly dangerous CO2 we're making?

> It eats iron or
> lead pipes, so utilities sometimes run it over limestone chips or
> something.

Why not use plastic pipes?

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by: John Larkin - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 05:00 UTC

On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 03:02:29 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 12:25:47 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:40:32 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>>>>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>>>>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>>>>>
>>>>> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
>>>>> inducing tracking.
>>>>
>>>> Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
>>>
>>> Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
>>> liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere
>>
>> Natural, clean rain water is acidic, pH around 5.5.
>
>Would that make it conduct?

In bulk liquid form, certainly. But droplets are separated by air
gaps.

>
>Is it acidic because of that alledgedly dangerous CO2 we're making?

Mostly yes. But CO2 was here before people. It was over 6000 PPM once,
so it rained free fizzy water.

>
>> It eats iron or
>> lead pipes, so utilities sometimes run it over limestone chips or
>> something.
>
>Why not use plastic pipes?

Sure, but there are a lot of the old ones around.

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by: legg - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 15:32 UTC

On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 03:02:29 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

The villain was sulphur from burning coal - now generally scrubbed
from smokestacks before it goes anywhere.

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by: Commander Kinsey - Tue, 4 Jul 2023 00:05 UTC

On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 06:00:57 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 03:02:29 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 12:25:47 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:40:32 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
>>>>>>>> spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
>>>>>>>> could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
>>>>>> inducing tracking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
>>>> liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere
>>>
>>> Natural, clean rain water is acidic, pH around 5.5.
>>
>> Would that make it conduct?
>
> In bulk liquid form, certainly. But droplets are separated by air
> gaps.

But when they land on the insulator, the whole insulater is covered in continuous water.

>> Is it acidic because of that alledgedly dangerous CO2 we're making?
>
> Mostly yes. But CO2 was here before people. It was over 6000 PPM once,
> so it rained free fizzy water.

You mean the world didn't cease to exist because of CO2? Maybe those alarmists are wrong....

Subject	Author
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	legg
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	Carlos E.R.
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	John S
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	legg
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	Commander Kinsey
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	Carlos E.R.
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	John Larkin
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	Commander Kinsey
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	John Larkin
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	Commander Kinsey
Re: Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?	legg