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* Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
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+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
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|`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
| +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?mitchr...@gmail.com
| |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
| | `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Y A
| `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FromTheRafters
|  | | `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | | +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | | `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |  `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   | +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   | |`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FromTheRafters
|  | | |   | `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |  `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |   +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?zelos...@gmail.com
|  | | |   |   +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |   `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |    `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     | +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     | |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     | ||`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     | || `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     | |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FredJeffries
|  | | |   |     | ||`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Chris M. Thomasson
|  | | |   |     | || `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     | ||  `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Chris M. Thomasson
|  | | |   |     | |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FredJeffries
|  | | |   |     | ||`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Chris M. Thomasson
|  | | |   |     | |`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Gus Gassmann
|  | | |   |     | +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Gus Gassmann
|  | | |   |     | +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FredJeffries
|  | | |   |     | +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Gus Gassmann
|  | | |   |     | `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FredJeffries
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     |`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Chris M. Thomasson
|  | | |   |     |||`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Mostowski Collapse
|  | | |   |     ||| `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     |||  +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Chris M. Thomasson
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|  | | |   |     |||  `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Mostowski Collapse
|  | | |   |     ||`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     |||`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FromTheRafters
|  | | |   |     ||+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     |||`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     ||| |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     ||| | |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | ||+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     ||| | ||+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | ||`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | || +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     ||| | || +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | || +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | || +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Mostowski Collapse
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | || | +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FromTheRafters
|  | | |   |     ||| | || | |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | || | | `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FromTheRafters
|  | | |   |     ||| | || | `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Ben Bacarisse
|  | | |   |     ||| | || +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | || ||+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |||+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?FromTheRafters
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |||+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |||`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | || ||+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | || ||`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     ||| | || |`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     ||| | || `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     ||| | |`* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     ||| | `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     ||| `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | |   |     ||`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Eram semper recta
|  | | |   |     |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     |+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Eram semper recta
|  | | |   |     |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     |+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     |`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Eram semper recta
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
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|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?JVR
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?JVR
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
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|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?JVR
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   |     +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?WM
|  | | |   |     `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
|  | | |   `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?zelos...@gmail.com
|  | | +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | | +- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?zelos...@gmail.com
|  | | `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
|  | +* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
|  | `* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Jim Burns
|  `- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Fritz Feldhase
+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?William
+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Archimedes Plutonium
+* Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?zelos...@gmail.com
+- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Sergi o
`- Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?Eram semper recta

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 by: William - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:28 UTC

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:22:58 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:

> The set of unit fractions 1/n has cardinality ℵo.
> No further unit fraction fits between all unit fractions and zero.
> There are less Peano unit fractions because for every Peano unit fraction ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.

Please rephrase without using the word "all".

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 by: Jim Burns - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:22 UTC

On 1/19/2023 5:45 AM, WM wrote:
> Jim Burns schrieb am Donnerstag,
> 19. Januar 2023 um 02:59:41 UTC+1:

>> Our meta-reasoning treats claims the way that
>> our reasoning treats sheep and pebbles.
>> Our logic has not seen the Fall.
>
> Can it distinguish this?
> No further unit fraction
> fits between all unit fractions and zero.
> For every Peano unit fraction
> ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.

If a sequence of claims has, in order,
the claims
| | P ⇒ For every Peano unit fraction
| ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
| | P
| | For every Peano unit fraction
| ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
| then the claim
| | For every Peano unit fraction
| ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
| is not first possibly-false.

If each claim in a sequence is
not first possibly-false
then each claim in that sequence is
not possibly-false.

> Can it distinguish this?

It works correctly on it.
Since that's probably what you mean, yes.

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 by: Fritz Feldhase - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:39 UTC

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:37:23 AM UTC+1, WM wrote:

> You claim that all endegments are infinite.

Yes, we claim that, because it can be proved from the axioms and definitions in set theory (especially from the definitios of /endsegement/ and /infinite/).

> That is true[.]

Of course.

> But it is not true that their intersection is empty.

Nope. It's equally "true" in the context of set theory (say ZFC), since we can _prove_ it too. Moreover, it's a quite obvious set-theoretic state of affairs, you silly idiot.

> You conclude that only from the fact that you cannot see the dark numbers.

No, we "conclude" that, because it is a theorem in set theory. Moreoer, it's a quite obvious set-theoretic state of affairs. That means that the theorem is in agreement with out set-theoretic intuitions.

> Thus you [are convvinced] that infinite inclusion-monotonic sets [can] have an empty intersection.

Right. You know, contemporary mathematics is based on proofs.

In contrast to that your chatter is just

> Blatant nonsense.

Agree!

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 by: Fritz Feldhase - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:44 UTC

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:22:41 PM UTC+1, Jim Burns wrote:

> | For every Peano unit fraction

Could you please define the term /Peano unit fraction/?

What is the difference between a /Peano unit fraction/ and a "standard" unit fraction?

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 by: Sergi o - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 17:54 UTC

On 1/19/2023 11:44 AM, Fritz Feldhase wrote:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:22:41 PM UTC+1, Jim Burns wrote:
>
>> | For every Peano unit fraction
>
> Could you please define the term /Peano unit fraction/?
>
> What is the difference between a /Peano unit fraction/ and a "standard" unit fraction?
>

I have been informed by The Ant Group, and repost here;

Peano Unit Ants

Standard Unit Ants

Difference Ants without a unit

Asexual Difference between Peano Ants and Standard Ants

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 by: Fritz Feldhase - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 19:05 UTC

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:45:16 AM UTC+1, WM wrote:

> Can it distinguish this?

Some notions:

| U := {1/n : n e IN} ...the set of "unit fractions".
| "E^ℵo" ...a special quantifier, meaning: there are ℵo many <such and such>

> No further unit fraction fits between all unit fractions and zero.

~Ex e U: Au e U: 0 < x < u.
"There is no unit fraction x such that x is between 0 and all unit fractions."

Undoubtedly true, since no unit fraction can be smaller than itself.

[Actually, there's not even a/any _real number_ x such that x is between 0 and all unit fractions:
~Ex e IR: Au e U: 0 < x < u.]

> For every [...] unit fraction ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.

Au e U: E^ℵox e U: 0 < x < u.
"For all unit fractions x: there are countably infinitely many unit fractions between 0 and x."

Again undoubtedly true, since for each and every natural number n the -countably infinitely many- unit fractions 1/(n+1), 1/(n+2), 1/(n+3), ... are bigger than 0 but smaller than 1/n.

A slightly weaker claim: "For all unit fractions u: there is a unit fraction between 0 and u."
Au e U: Ex e U: 0 < x < u.

Again undoubtedly true, since for each and every natural number n the unit fraction 1/(n+1) is bigger than 0 but smaller than 1/n.

Now it seems to me that Mr. Mückenheim is applying the (in)famous /quantifier shift/ again. Its application would allow to "conclude" Ex e U: Au e U: 0 < x < u (false) from Au e U: Ex e U: 0 < x < u (true). Seems to be the reason why he has problems to accept BOTH ~Ex e U: Au e U: 0 < x < u _and_ Au e U: E^ℵox e U: 0 < x < u (or Au e U: Ex e U: 0 < x < u).

For Mückenheim the claims

"For all unit fractions u there is a unit fraction x such that: 0 < x < u."
and
"There is a unit fraction x such that for all unit fractions u: 0 < x < u."

seem to be "equivalent". (See: quantifier dyslexia)

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Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 18:39:21 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:37:23 AM UTC+1, WM wrote:
>
> > You claim that all endegments are infinite.
> Yes, we claim that, because it can be proved from the axioms and definitions in set theory (especially from the definitios of /endsegement/ and /infinite/).

Then you should consider ∀k ∈ ℕ: E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k}. No natnumber remains.

> > But it is not true that their intersection is empty.
> Nope. It's equally "true" in the context of set theory (say ZFC), since we can _prove_ it too.

So numbers remain in endsegments but do not remain in their intersection. What is the first / smallest number that remains in all endsegments?

Regards, WM

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On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:48:00 PM UTC+1, WM wrote:

> So numbers remain in endsegments but do not remain in their intersection.

Look, dumbo: For _each and every_ endsegment there is a number which "is in it". But there is no number which is in _all_ endsegments.

You know:

(*) As in ENDSEG: En e IN: n in s

does not imply

(**) En e IN: As in ENDSEG: n in s

Actually the invalid "step" from (*) to (**) is a logical fallacy known as /quantifier shift/.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantifier_shift

> What is the first / smallest number that remains in all endsegments?

Huh?! This is a nonsensical question. Since there is _no_ number "that remains in" (read: is in) all endsegments, there can't be a first/smallest such number, you silly crank.

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 by: Sergi o - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 20:11 UTC

On 1/19/2023 1:47 PM, WM wrote:
> Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 18:39:21 UTC+1:
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 11:37:23 AM UTC+1, WM wrote:
>>
>>> You claim that all endegments are infinite.
>> Yes, we claim that, because it can be proved from the axioms and definitions in set theory (especially from the definitios of /endsegement/ and /infinite/).
>
> Then you should consider ∀k ∈ ℕ: E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k}. No natnumber remains.

You should consider you stopped at k. and Endsegment(k+1) remains

>
>>> But it is not true that their intersection is empty.
>> Nope. It's equally "true" in the context of set theory (say ZFC), since we can _prove_ it too.
>
> So numbers remain in endsegments but do not remain in their intersection.

yes, intersection is a set operator, google INTERSECTION

and the intersection of all endsegments is not an endsegment.

> What is the first / smallest number that remains in all endsegments?

for some reason, you think it is k

but that is wrong.

>
> Regards, WM

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On 1/19/2023 5:37 AM, WM wrote:
> Jim Burns schrieb am Mittwoch,
> 18. Januar 2023 um 23:37:28 UTC+1:
>> On 1/18/2023 5:16 AM, WM wrote:

>>>>> I assert that
>>>>> mathematics and logic are true.

>>> Your chain of claims does not reach
>>> until infinity. But Cantors sets do.
>>
>> You are saying that you disagree with
>> mathematics and logic
>> without saying that you disagree with
>> mathematics and logic.
>
> I adhere to logic.
> You adhere to nonsense called mathematical logic.

Changing the label on a box
does not change what's in the box.
You assert that mathematics and logic
is not true,
in the widely-used sense.

Give your argument for your assertion, then.
But it is a lie that you (WM) assert that
mathematics and logic are true.

>>> Your chain of claims does not reach
>>> until infinity.
>>
>> No, that's wrong.
>
> You confuse the infinities.
>
> The set of unit fractions 1/n
> has cardinality ℵo.
> No further unit fraction fits between
> all unit fractions and zero.
>
> There are less Peano unit fractions
> because for every Peano unit fraction
> ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
>
> That is a difference, a huge difference,
> an infinite difference.

If
we define ℕ_Peano and ℕ_Cantor such that,
for each FISON F and each inductive M
F ⊆ ℕ_Peano ⊆ ℕ_Cantor ⊆ M
then,
no, there is no difference between
ℕ_Peano and ℕ_Cantor

For each FISON F,
F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ is a FISON too,

F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ is
F with
the successor F⌝⁺⁺ of
its end F⌝
appended.

Thus,
for each k in FISON F ⊆ ℕ_Peano,
k⁺⁺ is in F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ ⊆ ℕ_Peano
and so
ℕ_Peano is inductive.

By definition,
for each inductive M
ℕ_Peano ⊆ ℕ_Cantor ⊆ M

ℕ_Peano ⊆ ℕ_Cantor ⊆ ℕ_Peano

ℕ_Peano = ℕ_Cantor = ℕ_Peano

No difference.

>> There is "all" and there is "more than all".
>> You (WM) tend to read claims as though they are
>> about more than all.
>
> More than all that are covered by your induction.

Is that intended to be a criticism?

ℕ_Peano induction claims only cover ℕ_Peano
Yes!
Why would we want it otherwise?

I claim that
all duck-billed platypuses have webbed feet.

Do not read that as a more-than-all claim that
all natural numbers also have webbed feet.

>> I have no responsibility for more-than-all
>> readings of a claim of mine.
>
> You claim that all endegments are infinite.
> That is true as far as induction reaches.

As far as induction reaches == ℕ_Peano
ℕ_Peano = ℕ_Cantor = ℕ

It is true as far as the claim reaches.
which is as far as it needs to reach.

> But it is not true that
> their intersection is empty.
> You conclude that only from the fact that
> you cannot see the dark numbers.

You announce you're ignoring my proof and then
you tell me what I have in my proof --
incorrectly.

You are wrong.
I conclude that from the fact that
F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ is a FISON too.

Anything which is in all end segments
is after everything else.
Because F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ is a FISON too,
nothing exists which is after everything else.
(More-than-all claims are thrown out.)

Nothing exists which is in all end segments.
The intersection is empty.

>> in other words, that there isn't "more than all".
>>
>> Is that not always true?
>
> See the set of unit fractions above.
> Try to understand it.

For each finite ordinal,
for each split up to it,
some i is last-before and
some j is first-after
and i⁺⁺ = j

For each ordinal, finite or infinite,
for each split up to it,
---- - -- ----------- ---
some j is first-after
--- --- - -

Not all splits of ordinals
have a last-before == are _last-befored_

If all were last-befored, then
"infinity" (not-infinity) would only be
a reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally large
individually usable (finite) number.

However,
infinity is NOT
a reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally large
individually usable number.

Consider the split
{all-last-befored} {not-all-last-befored}

That split has a first-after.
That first-after is first in {not-all-last-befored}
That first-after is what we name ω omega.

Each split of {all-last-befored} is last-befored.
All the splits up to ω omega are
splits of {all-last-befored} and
{all-last-befored} {not-all-last-befored}

The only split up to ω omega which
could be not last-befored is
{all-last-befored} {not-all-last-befored}
and one split is not last-befored.

Therefore,
{all-last-befored} {not-all-last-befored}
is not last-befored.

ω omega is first-after that split.
Nothing exists, visible or dark,
which is last-before that split

.... because some splits are not last-befored,
and infinity is NOT
a reallyreallyreallyreallyreallyreally large
individually usable number.

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 by: Jim Burns - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 21:36 UTC

On 1/19/2023 12:44 PM, Fritz Feldhase wrote:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023
> at 6:22:41 PM UTC+1, Jim Burns wrote:

>> | For every Peano unit fraction
>
> Could you please define the term
> /Peano unit fraction/?

The Peano unit fractions are totally-ordered.
Splits of Peano unit fractions exist.

1/n is a Peano unit fraction
iff
for each split between 1/1 and 1/n
some 1/j is last-before
and 1/j⁺⁺ is first-after.

A successor j⁺⁺
is not 0
is not the successor of anything else
has a successor.

> What is the difference between
> a /Peano unit fraction/ and
> a "standard" unit fraction?

There is no true difference.

However,
WM thinks there is a difference between
ℕ_Peano and ℕ_Cantor

ℕ_Peano is the least upper bound of FISONs

ℕ_Cantor is the greatest lower bound of
inductive sets.

Dark numbers are elements of ℕ_Cantor\ℕ_Peano

For each FISON F and each inductive set M
F ⊆ ℕ_Peano ⊆ ℕ_Cantor ⊆ M

I give them separate names on my way to
proving that they are equal.[1]

However crank-infested this discussion may be,
(a point I won't argue)
showing that two definitions define the
same thing is respectable mathematics.

[1]
If F is a FISON
then F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ is a FISON too.

If k ∈ F ⊆ ℕ_Peano
then k⁺⁺ ∈ F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ ⊆ ℕ_Peano

ℕ_Peano is inductive

ℕ_Peano ⊆ ℕ_Cantor ⊆ ℕ_Peano

ℕ_Peano = ℕ_Cantor = ℕ_Peano

Dark numbers are in ℕ_Cantor\ℕ_Peano
Nothing is in ℕ_Cantor\ℕ_Peano

It is not that we merely do not see dark numbers.
Dark numbers do not exist
because
F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ is a FISON too.

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 by: Sergi o - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:02 UTC

On 1/19/2023 3:36 PM, Jim Burns wrote:
> On 1/19/2023 12:44 PM, Fritz Feldhase wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023
>> at 6:22:41 PM UTC+1, Jim Burns wrote:
>
>>> | For every Peano unit fraction
>>
>> Could you please define the term
>> /Peano unit fraction/?
>
> The Peano unit fractions are totally-ordered.

you can't order just one..., you have to order the whole showboutle

> Splits of Peano unit fractions exist.

Split Peano Soup, exists but costs more.

( sorry for the bad jokes, not serious today, but hungry )

>
> 1/n is a Peano unit fraction
> iff
> for each split between 1/1 and 1/n
> some 1/j is last-before
> and 1/j⁺⁺ is first-after.
>
> A successor j⁺⁺
> is not 0
> is not the successor of anything else
> has a successor.
>
>> What is the difference between
>> a /Peano unit fraction/ and
>> a "standard" unit fraction?
>
> There is no true difference.
>
> However,
> WM thinks there is a difference between
> ℕ_Peano and ℕ_Cantor
>
> ℕ_Peano is the least upper bound of FISONs
>
> ℕ_Cantor is the greatest lower bound of
> inductive sets.
>
> Dark numbers are elements of ℕ_Cantor\ℕ_Peano
>
> For each FISON F and each inductive set M
> F ⊆ ℕ_Peano ⊆ ℕ_Cantor ⊆ M
>
> I give them separate names on my way to
> proving that they are equal.[1]
>
> However crank-infested this discussion may be,
> (a point I won't argue)
> showing that two definitions define the
> same thing is respectable mathematics.
>
> [1]
> If F is a FISON
> then F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ is a FISON too.
>
> If k ∈ F ⊆ ℕ_Peano
> then k⁺⁺ ∈ F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ ⊆ ℕ_Peano
>
> ℕ_Peano is inductive
>
> ℕ_Peano ⊆ ℕ_Cantor ⊆ ℕ_Peano
>
> ℕ_Peano = ℕ_Cantor = ℕ_Peano
>
> Dark numbers are in ℕ_Cantor\ℕ_Peano
> Nothing is in ℕ_Cantor\ℕ_Peano
>
> It is not that we merely do not see dark numbers.
> Dark numbers do not exist
> because
> F⊕⟨F⌝⁺⁺⟩ is a FISON too.
>
>

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 by: WM - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:27 UTC

Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 21:03:05 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:48:00 PM UTC+1, WM wrote:
>
> > So numbers remain in endsegments but do not remain in their intersection.
> For _each and every_ endsegment there is a number which "is in it". But there is no number which is in _all_ endsegments.

Nonsense. All non-empty endsegments have a non-empty intersection by inclusion-monotony.

Regards, WM

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 by: WM - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:29 UTC

William schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 17:28:54 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:22:58 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > The set of unit fractions 1/n has cardinality ℵo.
> > No further unit fraction fits between all unit fractions and zero.
> > There are less Peano unit fractions because for every Peano unit fraction ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
> Please rephrase without using the word "all".

The word "all" is dictated by Cantor's actual infinity.
Do you doubt that there are all unit fractions?

Regards, WM

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 by: WM - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:32 UTC

William schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 15:21:05 UTC+1:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:22:58 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > William schrieb am Mittwoch, 18. Januar 2023 um 15:53:39 UTC+1:
> > > On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 6:07:17 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > William schrieb am Dienstag, 17. Januar 2023 um 17:08:13 UTC+1:
> > > >
> > > > > A Peano set has cardinality ℵo.
> > > > No.
> > > A Peano set does not have finite cardinality. A Peano set does not change so it cannot be finite but bounded.
> > A Peano set is not a set (in the meaning of ZFC).
> Piffle. Of course it is.

Then there must be all elements, not only for some considered one a next one.

Regards, WM

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Jim Burns schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 18:22:41 UTC+1:

> | For every Peano unit fraction
> | ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
> |
> is not first possibly-false.

Is it true for all Peano unit fractions too?

And what about the claim: No further unit fraction fits between all unit fractions and zero?

Regards, WM

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Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 20:05:48 UTC+1:

> Now it seems to me that Mr. Mückenheim is applying the (in)famous /quantifier shift/ again.

No. There are two different statements:

For every Peano unit fraction u, ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
In fact there are more unit fractions between 0 and u than between u and 1..
Collect all unit fractions with this property into a set.
Does that change this property for any element?
Does it change this property for the set of all elements?
How could that be proven?

Regards, WM

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WM expressed precisely :
> Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 21:03:05 UTC+1:
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:48:00 PM UTC+1, WM wrote:
>>
>>> So numbers remain in endsegments but do not remain in their intersection.
>> For _each and every_ endsegment there is a number which "is in it". But
>> there is no number which is in _all_ endsegments.
>
> Nonsense. All non-empty endsegments have a non-empty intersection by
> inclusion-monotony.

All non-empty endsegments? Did you validate this? How do you know that
they are each in their assigned place on your otherwise dark number
line?

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 by: Sergi o - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:56 UTC

On 1/19/2023 4:27 PM, WM wrote:
> Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 21:03:05 UTC+1:
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:48:00 PM UTC+1, WM wrote:
>>
>>> So numbers remain in endsegments but do not remain in their intersection.
>> For _each and every_ endsegment there is a number which "is in it". But there is no number which is in _all_ endsegments.
>
> Nonsense. All non-empty endsegments have a non-empty intersection by inclusion-monotony.

no, by delusion-montony

>
> Regards, WM

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 by: FromTheRafters - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 23:09 UTC

Jim Burns explained on 1/19/2023 :
> On 1/19/2023 12:44 PM, Fritz Feldhase wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023
>> at 6:22:41 PM UTC+1, Jim Burns wrote:
>
>>> | For every Peano unit fraction
>>
>> Could you please define the term
>> /Peano unit fraction/?
>
> The Peano unit fractions are totally-ordered.
> Splits of Peano unit fractions exist.
>
> 1/n is a Peano unit fraction
> iff
> for each split between 1/1 and 1/n
> some 1/j is last-before
> and 1/j⁺⁺ is first-after.
>
> A successor j⁺⁺
> is not 0
> is not the successor of anything else
> has a successor.
>
>> What is the difference between
>> a /Peano unit fraction/ and
>> a "standard" unit fraction?
>
> There is no true difference.
>
> However,
> WM thinks there is a difference between
> ℕ_Peano and ℕ_Cantor
>
> ℕ_Peano is the least upper bound of FISONs
>
> ℕ_Cantor is the greatest lower bound of
> inductive sets.
>
> Dark numbers are elements of ℕ_Cantor\ℕ_Peano
>
> For each FISON F and each inductive set M
> F ⊆ ℕ_Peano ⊆ ℕ_Cantor ⊆ M

Can F actually be an improper subset of N_Peano here?

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 by: Sergi o - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 23:11 UTC

On 1/19/2023 4:47 PM, WM wrote:
> Fritz Feldhase schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 20:05:48 UTC+1:
>
>> Now it seems to me that Mr. Mückenheim is applying the (in)famous /quantifier shift/ again.
>
> No. There are two different statements:
>
> For every Peano unit fraction u, ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
> In fact there are more unit fractions between 0 and u than between u and 1.
> Collect all unit fractions with this property into a set.
> Does that change this property for any element?
> Does it change this property for the set of all elements?
> How could that be proven?
>
> Regards, WM
>

So, what is the second statement ?

What is a "Peano unit fraction" ?

The "property" you imply, does not belong to the "element".

What is the "set of all elements" ?

A Keeper!
"How could that be proven?" - WM

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 by: Sergi o - Thu, 19 Jan 2023 23:18 UTC

On 1/19/2023 4:29 PM, WM wrote:
> William schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 17:28:54 UTC+1:
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:22:58 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
>>> The set of unit fractions 1/n has cardinality ℵo.
>>> No further unit fraction fits between all unit fractions and zero.
>>> There are less Peano unit fractions because for every Peano unit fraction ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
>> Please rephrase without using the word "all".
>
> The word "all" is dictated by Cantor's actual infinity.
> Do you doubt that there are all unit fractions?
>
> Regards, WM

to be clear, use "each and every" instead of "all"

Cantor never was a dictator.

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Utter failure.

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 by: William - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 00:57 UTC

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:32:21 PM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> William schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 15:21:05 UTC+1:
> > On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:22:58 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > William schrieb am Mittwoch, 18. Januar 2023 um 15:53:39 UTC+1:
> > > > On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 6:07:17 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> > > > > William schrieb am Dienstag, 17. Januar 2023 um 17:08:13 UTC+1:
> > > > >
> > > > > > A Peano set has cardinality ℵo.
> > > > > No.
> > > > A Peano set does not have finite cardinality. A Peano set does not change so it cannot be finite but unbounded.
> > > A Peano set is not a set (in the meaning of ZFC).
> > Piffle. Of course it is.
> Then there must be all elements,

Which, like for any set, there are. A set does not change, You cannot add elements. Note that every element of a Peano set (except the first) is the successor to some element of the Peano set. There are no other elements.

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Subject: Re: Who recognizes these true pioneers of dark numbers?
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 by: FredJeffries - Fri, 20 Jan 2023 02:19 UTC

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 3:18:13 PM UTC-8, Sergi o wrote:
> On 1/19/2023 4:29 PM, WM wrote:
> > William schrieb am Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2023 um 17:28:54 UTC+1:
> >> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 6:22:58 AM UTC-4, WM wrote:
> >>> The set of unit fractions 1/n has cardinality ℵo.
> >>> No further unit fraction fits between all unit fractions and zero.
> >>> There are less Peano unit fractions because for every Peano unit fraction ℵo smaller unit fractions fit between it and zero.
> >> Please rephrase without using the word "all".
> >
> > The word "all" is dictated by Cantor's actual infinity.
> > Do you doubt that there are all unit fractions?
> >
> > Regards, WM
> to be clear, use "each and every" instead of "all"

That is a ridiculous request. He's been asked to do that for over 20 years now. He will never comply for two reasons:

1) He doesn't know how to do it
2) To do so would completely destroy the entire edifice of ambiguity and misdirection and gibberish upon which his magic kingdom is constructed.


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