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 by: Larry Dighera - Sat, 12 Nov 2022 23:22 UTC

Commutative Airforce loses two historic aircraft:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/breaking-horrifying-video-shows-moment-two-planes-collide-mid-air-during-dallas-airshow

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-plane-crash-dallas-executive-airport-rbd/287-1d54f7a6-05ad-40ee-a02b-961874c52bea

VIDEO: https://twitter.com/breakingryan1/statuses/1591519673450958850
https://twitter.com/dtxdaily/statuses/1591522536738914305

GRAPHIC VIDEO: A mid-air collision involving two planes near the Dallas
Executive Airport, today. The accident took place during the Wings Over
Dallas WWII Airshow at 1:25 p.m., according to Dallas Fire-Rescue. A @FOX4
viewer took this video. @FOX4 is working for more details.\u201d
— David Sentendrey (@David Sentendrey
https://twitter.com/DavidSFOX4/statuses/1591522623376211968

Here is a look at the aircraft collision scene at Dallas Executive Airport.
There was an air show today. More details soon.\u201d
— DFW Scanner (@DFW Scanner)
https://twitter.com/DFWscanner/statuses/1591519373788938249

BREAKING: Horrifying video shows moment WWII-era fighter plane collides with
B-17 bomber mid-air during Dallas airshow
News
Paul Sacca
November 12, 2022
Twitter @DTXDaily Video Screenshot

Horrifying video shows the moment that two World War II-era airplanes
collided mid-air during an airshow in Texas.

According to initial reports, two planes crashed into each other while
flying above Dallas around 2:30 p.m. EST on Saturday. The planes were
reportedly part of the Commemorative Air Force’s Wings Over Dallas Show.

Video reportedly shows a Bell P-63 Kingcobra fighter plane colliding with a
B-17 Flying Fortress bomber as it flew at a low altitude over the airfield
at Dallas Executive Airport. The planes break into pieces and then crash to
the ground. A large and fiery explosion followed and black smoke billowed
into the sky.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) released a statement on the
aircraft collision in Dallas:

A Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress and a Bell P-63 Kingcobra collided and
crashed at the Wings Over Dallas Airshow at Dallas Executive Airport in
Texas around 1:20 p.m. local time Saturday. At this time, it is unknown how
many people were on both aircraft. The FAA and the National Transportation
Safety Board will investigate. The NTSB will be in charge of the
investigation and will provide additional updates.

There were over 40 fire rescue units deployed to the scene, according to
Dallas Fire-Rescue (DFR).

Witnesses said debris from the crash was now strewn over Highway 67 in
Texas.

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There are no official reports about if the crew survived or if there were
any injuries or casualties on the ground.

ABC News producer Jeffrey Cook reported, "Six people, all crew members, are
feared to be dead after a mid-air collision between two WWII-era airplanes
at the Wings Over Dallas airshow today," citing ABC News reporter Nicholas
Kerr.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbot said of the airshow crash, "Planes collide during air
show at Dallas Executive Airport. The Texas Dept. of Public Safety, Texas
Division of Emergency Management, and the Texas Dept. of Transportation are
assisting local officials in responding to this tragedy."

(WARNING: The following videos are graphic)

\u201cAir collision involving a B-17 bomber and smaller plane at Dallas
airshow\u201d
— Ryan (@Ryan) 1668282833

Dallas air show crash: Official says it's believed 6 people total were on
board
The Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress and a Bell P-63 Kingcobra collided and
crashed around 1:20 p.m., the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said in
a statement.

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Timecast 11-12-2022

DFW weather: Freeze warning issued for parts of North Texas

Author: Paul Livengood, Paul Wedding, Jason Whitely, Tanya Eiserer,
Associated Press
Published: 2:08 PM CST November 12, 2022
Updated: 4:57 PM CST November 12, 2022

DALLAS — Editor's note: The Associated Press contributed to this story.

Two historic military planes collided and crashed to the ground Saturday
during a Dallas air show, federal officials said, sending plumes of black
smoke billowing into the sky.

The Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress and a Bell P-63 Kingcobra collided and
crashed around 1:20 p.m., the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said in
a statement. The collision occurred during the Commemorative Air Force Wings
Over Dallas show.

"Currently we do not have information on the status of the flight crews as
emergency responders are working the accident," Leah Block, a spokesperson
for Commemorative Air Force, told ABC News.

Block also told ABC News she believes there were five crew members on the
B-17 and one aboard the P-63. The Houston-based aircraft were not giving
rides to paying customers at the time, she said.

The B-17, an immense four-engine bomber, was a cornerstone of U.S. air power
during World War II. The Kingcobra, a U.S. fighter plane, was used mostly by
Soviet forces during the war. Most B-17s were scrapped at the end of World
War II and only a handful remain today, largely featured at museums and air
shows, according to Boeing.

Debris from the crash fell onto southbound Highway 67, sources told WFAA's
Jason Whitely. Both southbound and northbound lanes of Hwy. 67 were shut
down due to the crash, according to Dallas police.

#BREAKING: A mid-air collision has happened at the Wings Over Dallas
event at Dallas Executive Airport (formerly Redbird).

A B-17 is involved. Other aircraft type uncertain.

Debris is on Hwy. 67.
— Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) November 12, 2022

MORE:
Debris reportedly on Highway 67 in Oak Cliff from mid-air collision at
the #WingsOverDallas event at Dallas Executive Airport.
pic.twitter.com/M5etKQQhrJ
— Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) November 12, 2022

Several videos posted on Twitter showed two aircraft appearing to collide in
the air before they both rapidly descended, causing a large fire and plumes
of black smoke to billow into the sky.

#BREAKING: New angle of the mid-air collision obtained by @WFAA shows
B-17 and other aircraft flying formations at #WingsOverDallas at 1:21p
today, when it was hit by a P-63 and fell to the ground over the airfield at
Dallas Executive Airport (RBD). pic.twitter.com/6NAS93b3re
— Jason Whitely (@JasonWhitely) November 12, 2022

pic.twitter.com/peyMeEMA25
— Giancarlo (@GianKaizen) November 12, 2022

Marvella Garcia, who was working with the show as a brand ambassador for
Chevrolet, said she was speaking with someone conducting a survey when the
crash happened, and the person she was speaking with said "wow, look at that
explosion."

"I looked over and I said 'oh that's just part of the show,'" Garcia said.
"There's a show within the show. The planes will cross over and then there's
little explosions."

Garcia said she soon realized it was not part of the show. She said she has
worked for several shows like this where it is normal to see re-enactments
involving planes and explosions.

"Some people just thought it was a re-enactment," Garcia said about the
crowd's reaction to the crash. "Whenever that happened, everyone was just
kind of in shock like, is this really happening or is this just a
re-enactment?"

Air show safety - particularly with older military aircraft - has been a
concern for years. In 2011, 11 people were killed in Reno, Nevada, when a
P-51 Mustang crashed into spectators. In 2019, a bomber crashed in Hartford,
Connecticut, killing seven people. The NTSB said then that it had
investigated 21 accidents since 1982 involving World War II-era bombers,
resulting in 23 deaths.

Wings Over Dallas bills itself as “America’s Premier World War II Airshow,”
according to a website advertising the event. The show was scheduled for
Nov. 11-13, Veterans Day weekend, and guests were to see more than 40 World
War II-era aircrafts.

Dallas Mayor Eric Johnson tweeted the following statement on Saturday:

"As many of you have now seen, we have had a terrible tragedy in our city
today during an airshow. Many details remain unknown or unconfirmed at this
time. The @NTSB has taken command of the crash scene with @DallasPD and
@DallasFireRes_q continuing to provide support."

As many of you have now seen, we have had a terrible tragedy in our city
today during an airshow. Many details remain unknown or unconfirmed at this
time. The @NTSB has taken command of the crash scene with @DallasPD and
@DallasFireRes_q continuing to provide support.
— Mayor Eric Johnson (@Johnson4Dallas) November 12, 2022

Texas Hispanic Policy Foundation Chairman and former Republican State Rep.
Jason Villalba said he was at the air show today.

"We left at 12:00 but George and I had planned to take a ride on the B-17,"
Villalba told WFAA. "We didn’t because it was sold out. Wow.“

WFAA has not confirmed whether there were civilians riding on the B-17 when
it crashed. Tickets for on-board tours of the B-17 were on sale online for
the event. The cost for tickets was $495 each.


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