On 20/07/2022 3:26 pm, nospam wrote:
> In article <t8udnYZJy8QR9kr_nZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
>>>> but if yuo want
>>>> food you have to pay extra for it,
>>>
>>> most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
>>
>> None that I've ever been on (lots).
>
> it's been common for roughly 20 years in economy/coach on most
> airlines. snacks, such as a cookie or a couple of pretzels, might be
> free.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_on_board>
> Starting in 2003, many United States air carriers began eliminating
> free meal services in economy classes on North American flights and
> replacing them with buy on board services. In the 2000s US Airways
> (now part of American Airlines) briefly charged for soft drinks, but
> then reversed course. By 2009, many US carriers had established
> buy on board as part of an à la carte pricing movement
> ...
> ...As of 2017 only 6 out of the 21 most popular airlines in Europe
> offered complimentary inflight food and drink. KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss,
> Austrian, Air France, Alitalia and TAP Portugal all continued to
> offer free snacks and beverages on their short-haul flights.
>
> menu & prices:
> <https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/dining/economy/men
> u.html>
> <https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/flight-experience/main-ca
> bin/food-and-drink>
>
>>>> also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
>>>
>>> most airlines charge for checked bags. some charge for carry-on luggage
>>> larger than a handbag or purse.
>>
>> None that I've ever been on. Extra for more pieces or over weight
>> allowance is usual.
>
> depends on the airline and fare bucket. basic economy has the most
> restrictions.
>
> <https://customersupport.spirit.com/en-US/category/article/KA-01157>
> Current bag prices are available here. One personal item that fits
> in the smaller sizer box (like a small backpack) is included with
> your ticket. Another personal item or anything larger like a standard
> carry-on or checked bag will need to be paid for.
>
> <https://www.allegiantair.com/baggage-1>
> Every passenger can bring One Free Personal Item
> Your Personal Item (like a purse, briefcase, or a small backpack)
> must be stored completely underneath the seat in front of you.
>
> You can purchase One Carry-On Bag per passenger
> Your one Carry-on Bag (such as a roll-aboard or garment bag) must
> fit in the overhead bin.
>
> You can pre-purchase up to 4 Checked Bags per passenger
>
> <https://www.flyfrontier.com/travel/travel-info/bag-options/?mobile=true>
> ... Carry-on bags must fit in the overhead bin. Carry-on bag prices
> vary based on when you purchase and are non-refundable.
>
> FRONTIER Miles Elite members and passengers who purchased THE WORKS
> always receive a free carry-on bag in addition to their personal item.
>
> <https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/baggage/carry-on.html>
> If you're traveling on a Basic Economy ticket, you can only bring one
> personal item on board. There are some exceptions, which we list
> below.
>
> If you bring a full-size carry-on bag to the gate, you'll need to
> check your bag. You'll also have to pay the applicable checked bag
> fee and a $25 gate handling charge. To keep it simple at the gate,
> you'll need to pay by credit card.
>
>>> there was talk about charging to use the loo.
>>
>> How about more for a shit than a piss ? Or per length of toilet-paper
>> (or toilet-tissue for yanks).
>
> byotp.

You have too much time on your hands, or need help.

Lucky I have been on those mingey airlines then !

geoff

On 20/07/2022 9:03 pm, geoff wrote:
> On 20/07/2022 3:26 pm, nospam wrote:
>> In article <t8udnYZJy8QR9kr_nZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff
>> <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>> but if yuo want
>>>>> food you have to pay extra for it,
>>>>
>>>> most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
>>>
>>> None that I've ever been on (lots).
>>
>> it's been common for roughly 20 years in economy/coach on most
>> airlines. snacks, such as a cookie or a couple of pretzels, might be
>> free.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_on_board>
>>    Starting in 2003, many United States air carriers began eliminating
>>    free meal services in economy classes on North American flights and
>>    replacing them with buy on board services. In the 2000s US Airways
>>    (now part of American Airlines) briefly charged for soft drinks, but
>>    then reversed course. By 2009, many US carriers had established
>>    buy on board as part of an à la carte pricing movement
>> ...
>>    ...As of 2017 only 6 out of the 21 most popular airlines in Europe
>>    offered complimentary inflight food and drink. KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss,
>>    Austrian, Air France, Alitalia and TAP Portugal all continued to
>>    offer free snacks and beverages on their short-haul flights.
>>
>> menu & prices:
>> <https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/inflight/dining/economy/men
>> u.html>
>> <https://www.alaskaair.com/content/travel-info/flight-experience/main-ca
>> bin/food-and-drink>
>>
>>>>> also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
>>>>
>>>> most airlines charge for checked bags. some charge for carry-on luggage
>>>> larger than a handbag or purse.
>>>
>>> None that I've ever been on. Extra for more pieces or over weight
>>> allowance is usual.
>>
>> depends on the airline and fare bucket. basic economy has the most
>> restrictions.
>>
>> <https://customersupport.spirit.com/en-US/category/article/KA-01157>
>>    Current bag prices are available here. One personal item that fits
>>    in the smaller sizer box (like a small backpack) is included with
>>    your ticket. Another personal item or anything larger like a standard
>>    carry-on or checked bag will need to be paid for.
>>
>> <https://www.allegiantair.com/baggage-1>
>>    Every passenger can bring One Free Personal Item
>>    Your Personal Item (like a purse, briefcase, or a small backpack)
>>    must be stored completely underneath the seat in front of you.
>>
>>    You can purchase One Carry-On Bag per passenger
>>    Your one Carry-on Bag (such as a roll-aboard or garment bag) must
>>    fit in the overhead bin.
>>
>>    You can pre-purchase up to 4 Checked Bags per passenger
>>
>> <https://www.flyfrontier.com/travel/travel-info/bag-options/?mobile=true>
>>    ... Carry-on bags must fit in the overhead bin. Carry-on bag prices
>>    vary based on when you purchase and are non-refundable.
>>
>>    FRONTIER Miles Elite members and passengers who purchased THE WORKS
>>    always receive a free carry-on bag in addition to their personal item.
>>
>> <https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/baggage/carry-on.html>
>>    If you're traveling on a Basic Economy ticket, you can only bring one
>>    personal item on board. There are some exceptions, which we list
>>    below.
>>
>>    If you bring a full-size carry-on bag to the gate, you'll need to
>>    check your bag. You'll also have to pay the applicable checked bag
>>    fee and a $25 gate handling charge. To keep it simple at the gate,
>>    you'll need to pay by credit card.
>>
>>>> there was talk about charging to use the loo.
>>>
>>> How about more for a shit than a piss ?  Or per length of toilet-paper
>>> (or toilet-tissue for yanks).
>>
>> byotp.
>
> You have too much time on your hands, or need help.
>
> Lucky I have been on those mingey airlines then !
>
> geoff
>

Make that "and/or" and "haven't".

geoff

On Wednesday, 20 July 2022 at 03:42:30 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
> On 20/07/2022 1:12 pm, nospam wrote:
> > In article <799a8d1b-c345-48e2...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>> Things are not always priced according to cost. Sometimes they are
> >>>> priced according to customer perceived value.
> >>> perceived value is normally how something is priced.
> >>>> For instance two flights
> >>>> to reach a destination together are often cheaper than a direct flight.
> >>> airline pricing is extremely complex. there is no single price for a
> >>> given flight, and you mean non-stop. a direct flight means there can be
> >>> a stop but you don't switch planes.
> >>
> >> I don't know if you know of ryan air an Irish airline company
> >
> > i do.
> >
> >> but if yuo want
> >> food you have to pay extra for it,
> >
> > most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
> None that I've ever been on (lots).

ryan air is short haul flights of perhaps up to 2 hours at most, some between london and paris etc are less than an hour do you really need food.
Most of these flight seem to be used by people going on stag nights.
I heard one person took a ryan air from london to france and france to ireland because it was half the price of the train fair from london to ireland.

It takes me longer to get from heathrow to home that it takes flying london to paris .
> >
> >> also only small hand luggage is 'free' anything else is extra.
> >
> > most airlines charge for checked bags. some charge for carry-on luggage
> > larger than a handbag or purse.
> None that I've ever been on. Extra for more pieces or over weight
> allowance is usual.

thought most airlines were 20kg allowance.
> >
> >> There was talk
> >> about charging extra if you were heavier than
> >> a 'standard' person, which makes sense and could be done by paying for total
> >> weight of yourself plus luggage.
> I think I'm standard. Opinion of others often seems to differ ....
> > there was talk about charging to use the loo.
> How about more for a shit than a piss ? Or per length of toilet-paper
> (or toilet-tissue for yanks).

I prefer arse wipe, take your own
>
> geoff

On 20 Jul 2022 at 03:42:19 BST, geoff wrote:

>> most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
>
> None that I've ever been on (lots).

Until recently I'd take at least 3 international flights a year over 20 years
- not a single one offered complimentary food or drink.

--
Cheers, Rob

Am 21.07.2022 um 09:16 schrieb RJH:
> On 20 Jul 2022 at 03:42:19 BST, geoff wrote:
>
>>> most airlines charge for food, unless in first/business class.
>>
>> None that I've ever been on (lots).
>
> Until recently I'd take at least 3 international flights a year over 20 years
> - not a single one offered complimentary food or drink.
When we fly to Malaysia (from Germany) we always get complimentary
food and drinks.
--
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