https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
>
>
>
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.
I wonder why the relativists here have not received a prize for their defense of it.

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
>

they gave the Nobel Prize to.....Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
> >
>
> they gave the Nobel Prize to.....Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
> 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!
>

Why Obama??? because he actually became President? dat crack smoking
fag!

I don't get it.

About Women? don't dey giv those to women?

Nobody in India?...or China?

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Am 01.10.2023 um 02:22 schrieb The Starmaker:
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
>
>
>
I'm unable to reach this website. it always says: 'we're working on it'
and show an excuse screen.

TH

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:39:51 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
> >
> they gave the Nobel Prize to.....Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
> 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.
He had a terrible voice. I guess you can't put any sock in these prizes.

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:44:26 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
> > >
> >
> > they gave the Nobel Prize to.....Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
> > 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!
> >
> Why Obama??? because he actually became President? dat crack smoking
> fag!
>
> I don't get it.
>
>
> About Women? don't dey giv those to women?
>
>
> Nobody in India?...or China?
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.
Obama was given the peace prize to try to twist his arm. Didn't stop his drones.

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:04:47 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 01.10.2023 um 02:22 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
> >
> >
> >
> I'm unable to reach this website. it always says: 'we're working on it'
> and show an excuse screen.
>
> TH
Here's the final paragraph: "In fairness, unlike the problem of how many scientists to award in a given year, the issue of laureates going
off the rails is not one that the Nobel committee can solve. That one’s on us—on our tendency to see the
Nobel Prize as the apotheosis of scientific worth. It is not. Like every other prize, it is flawed and subjective.
By reifying it, we overinflate the egos of those who receive it, and we undermine those who do not.
“Ultimately, it’s up to us to dethrone the Nobel Prizes,” wrote science writer Matthew Francis last year. “They
rule our perception of science and how it’s done by our consent, and it’s past time we withdrew that
consent.”" Most of the rest talks of lack of diversity, focus on individuals, and misuse of their fame afterwards supporting things like eugenics in one case.

Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 01.10.2023 um 02:22 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
> >
> >
> >
> I'm unable to reach this website. it always says: 'we're working on it'
> and show an excuse screen.
>
> TH

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=the+absurdity+of+nobel+prize+in+science

there is also the current WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/science/the-nobel-prizes-need-a-makeover-554bc2fa?mod=itp_wsj

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
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On 01-Oct-23 2:16 pm, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
>> and challenge the unchallengeable.
> I wonder why the relativists here have not received a prize for their defense of it.

Nobel prizes in science are given for discoveries. Supporting an
existing discovery doesn't cut it.

Sylvia.

On 10/1/2023 12:40 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
> 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!

Hahhahah :-)) No he couldn't sing, but he was very clever in bringing
together long forgotten melodies and make money with them using his
poetry powers. He is a poet first.

Physfitfreak wrote:
>
> On 10/1/2023 12:40 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
> > 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!
>
> Hahhahah :-)) No he couldn't sing, but he was very clever in bringing
> together long forgotten melodies and make money with them using his
> poetry powers. He is a poet first.

You don't get it...he stoled the lyrics/words from other artists, and he
stole words from books.

He's a gonif. He got the Nobel Prize for Gonif.

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 10/2/2023 1:50 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 10/1/2023 12:40 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
>>> 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!
>>
>> Hahhahah :-)) No he couldn't sing, but he was very clever in bringing
>> together long forgotten melodies and make money with them using his
>> poetry powers. He is a poet first.
>
> You don't get it...he stoled the lyrics/words from other artists, and he
> stole words from books.
>
>
> He's a gonif. He got the Nobel Prize for Gonif.
>

Are you saying his lyrics were plagiarized too ?

Physfitfreak wrote:
>
> On 10/2/2023 1:50 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Physfitfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/1/2023 12:40 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
> >>> 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!
> >>
> >> Hahhahah :-)) No he couldn't sing, but he was very clever in bringing
> >> together long forgotten melodies and make money with them using his
> >> poetry powers. He is a poet first.
> >
> > You don't get it...he stoled the lyrics/words from other artists, and he
> > stole words from books.
> >
> >
> > He's a gonif. He got the Nobel Prize for Gonif.
> >
>
> Are you saying his lyrics were plagiarized too ?

Joni Mitchell once said: "Bob Dylan is not authentic at all. He's a
plagiarist and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a
deception...."

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 10/2/2023 9:48 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 10/2/2023 1:50 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/1/2023 12:40 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
>>>>> 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!
>>>>
>>>> Hahhahah :-)) No he couldn't sing, but he was very clever in bringing
>>>> together long forgotten melodies and make money with them using his
>>>> poetry powers. He is a poet first.
>>>
>>> You don't get it...he stoled the lyrics/words from other artists, and he
>>> stole words from books.
>>>
>>>
>>> He's a gonif. He got the Nobel Prize for Gonif.
>>>
>>
>> Are you saying his lyrics were plagiarized too ?
>
> Joni Mitchell once said: "Bob Dylan is not authentic at all. He's a
> plagiarist and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a
> deception...."
>
>

Then no wonder Lennon hated him, and vice versa.

On 10/2/2023 10:32 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 10/2/2023 9:48 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2023 1:50 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/1/2023 12:40 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Bob Dylan???? all he did was steal
>>>>>> 'other' peoples music! and he couldn't even sing!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hahhahah :-)) No he couldn't sing, but he was very clever in bringing
>>>>> together long forgotten melodies and make money with them using his
>>>>> poetry powers. He is a poet first.
>>>>
>>>> You don't get it...he stoled the lyrics/words from other artists,
>>>> and he
>>>> stole words from books.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's a gonif. He got the Nobel Prize for Gonif.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying his lyrics were plagiarized too ?
>>
>> Joni Mitchell once said: "Bob Dylan is not authentic at all. He's a
>> plagiarist and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a
>> deception...."
>>
>>
>
>
> Then no wonder Lennon hated him, and vice versa.

In one of his tours in Dallas early in 1980s a neighbor told me he was
booed. I thought it was the Rednecks in the audience doing it. Now with
what you're saying perhaps he was actually booed by everyone there.

Am 01.10.2023 um 20:16 schrieb The Starmaker:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> Am 01.10.2023 um 02:22 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I'm unable to reach this website. it always says: 'we're working on it'
>> and show an excuse screen.
>>
>> TH
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=the+absurdity+of+nobel+prize+in+science
>
>
>
> there is also the current WSJ
>
> https://www.wsj.com/science/the-nobel-prizes-need-a-makeover-554bc2fa?mod=itp_wsj

Same behaviour...

There is a very strange habit of this website:

the content pops up for an instant and shortly after a 'work in progress
page' is shown.

This is as if that website would be blocked on the way towards Germany
(for uncertain reasons).

TH

Am 03.10.2023 um 07:01 schrieb Physfitfreak:

>>> Joni Mitchell once said: "Bob Dylan is not authentic at all. He's a
>>> plagiarist and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a
>>> deception...."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Then no wonder Lennon hated him, and vice versa.
>
> In one of his tours in Dallas early in 1980s a neighbor told me he was
> booed. I thought it was the Rednecks in the audience doing it. Now with
> what you're saying perhaps he was actually booed by everyone there.
>
I can hear quite good and have also good visual memories.

Therefore I have the ability to estimate (by long experience) the face
of a person from the sound of the voice of that person.

But in many (if not most) of the cases of very popular artists the voice
of a singer does not fit to the face.

TH

Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 01.10.2023 um 20:16 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>
> >> Am 01.10.2023 um 02:22 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I'm unable to reach this website. it always says: 'we're working on it'
> >> and show an excuse screen.
> >>
> >> TH
> >
> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=the+absurdity+of+nobel+prize+in+science
> >
> >
> >
> > there is also the current WSJ
> >
> > https://www.wsj.com/science/the-nobel-prizes-need-a-makeover-554bc2fa?mod=itp_wsj
>
> Same behaviour...
>
> There is a very strange habit of this website:
>
> the content pops up for an instant and shortly after a 'work in progress
> page' is shown.
>
> This is as if that website would be blocked on the way towards Germany
> (for uncertain reasons).
>
> TH

You are having old browers/oldWindows problems..

If you can go to

https://www.wsj.com

then click the Science menu

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The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >
> > Am 01.10.2023 um 20:16 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > Thomas Heger wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Am 01.10.2023 um 02:22 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > >>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> I'm unable to reach this website. it always says: 'we're working on it'
> > >> and show an excuse screen.
> > >>
> > >> TH
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=the+absurdity+of+nobel+prize+in+science
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > there is also the current WSJ
> > >
> > > https://www.wsj.com/science/the-nobel-prizes-need-a-makeover-554bc2fa?mod=itp_wsj" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.wsj.com/science/the-nobel-prizes-need-a-makeover-554bc2fa?mod=itp_wsj
> >
> > Same behaviour...
> >
> > There is a very strange habit of this website:
> >
> > the content pops up for an instant and shortly after a 'work in progress
> > page' is shown.
> >
> > This is as if that website would be blocked on the way towards Germany
> > (for uncertain reasons).
> >
> > TH
>
> You are having old browers/oldWindows problems..
>
> If you can go to
>
> https://www.wsj.com
>
> then click the Science menu

also today...Lead Story:

https://www.wsj.com/

https://www.wsj.com/science?mod=nav_top_section

After Shunning Scientist, University of Pennsylvania Celebrates Her Nobel Prize
School that once demoted Katalin Karikó and cut her pay has made millions of dollars from patenting her work

https://www.wsj.com/health/after-shunning-scientist-university-of-pennsylvania-celebrates-her-nobel-prize-96157321?mod=science_lead_story

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

Op 1/10/2023 om 21:15 schreef Sylvia Else:
> On 01-Oct-23 2:16 pm, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>>> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
>>> and challenge the unchallengeable.
>> I wonder why the relativists here have not received a prize for their
>> defense of it.
>
> Nobel prizes in science are given for discoveries. Supporting an
> existing discovery doesn't cut it.
>
> Sylvia.

I wonder why the antirelativists around haven't received a prize for
*their* discoveries ;)

--
guido wugi

The Starmaker wrote:
>
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Thomas Heger wrote:
> > >
> > > Am 01.10.2023 um 20:16 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > > Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Am 01.10.2023 um 02:22 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > > >>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> I'm unable to reach this website. it always says: 'we're working on it'
> > > >> and show an excuse screen.
> > > >>
> > > >> TH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=the+absurdity+of+nobel+prize+in+science
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > there is also the current WSJ
> > > >
> > > > https://www.wsj.com/science/the-nobel-prizes-need-a-makeover-554bc2fa?mod=itp_wsj" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.wsj.com/science/the-nobel-prizes-need-a-makeover-554bc2fa?mod=itp_wsj
> > >
> > > Same behaviour...
> > >
> > > There is a very strange habit of this website:
> > >
> > > the content pops up for an instant and shortly after a 'work in progress
> > > page' is shown.
> > >
> > > This is as if that website would be blocked on the way towards Germany
> > > (for uncertain reasons).
> > >
> > > TH
> >
> > You are having old browers/oldWindows problems..
> >
> > If you can go to
> >
> > https://www.wsj.com
> >
> > then click the Science menu
>
> also today...Lead Story:
>
> https://www.wsj.com/
>
> https://www.wsj.com/science?mod=nav_top_section
>
> After Shunning Scientist, University of Pennsylvania Celebrates Her Nobel Prize
> School that once demoted Katalin Karikó and cut her pay has made millions of dollars from patenting her work
>
> https://www.wsj.com/health/after-shunning-scientist-university-of-pennsylvania-celebrates-her-nobel-prize-96157321?mod=science_lead_story

dis link contains the whole article:

https://www.livemint.com/science/after-shunning-scientist-university-of-pennsylvania-celebrates-her-nobel-prize-11696444798369.html
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The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 10/4/2023 4:10 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:

Is there a free trial of wsj, so I can make it forever? :)

Physfitfreak wrote:
>
> On 10/4/2023 4:10 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Is there a free trial of wsj, so I can make it forever? :)

ask mr. git hub

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On 2023-10-04 21:45:53 +0000, wugi said:

> Op 1/10/2023 om 21:15 schreef Sylvia Else:
>> On 01-Oct-23 2:16 pm, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-absurdity-of-the-nobel-prizes-in-science/541863/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>>>> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
>>>> and challenge the unchallengeable.
>>> I wonder why the relativists here have not received a prize for their
>>> defense of it.
>>
>> Nobel prizes in science are given for discoveries. Supporting an
>> existing discovery doesn't cut it.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> I wonder why the antirelativists around haven't received a prize for
> *their* discoveries ;)

Why indeed? Their work is far more important than a mere Nobel Prize
could honour.

--
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots