On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

Op zondag 6 februari 2022 om 09:42:41 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath

> Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

:-D

“The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:21:10 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op zondag 6 februari 2022 om 09:42:41 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath
>
> > Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
> :-D
>
> “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

Says the one who breathlessly thinks mermaids were human ancestors. Diagnosis: hypoxia.

> > “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

> Says the one who breathlessly thinks mermaids were human ancestors. Diagnosis: hypoxia.

Grow up, my little little boy.

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath
>
> Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
>

In humans, breathing is decoupled from locomotion

https://researchmatters.in/news/endurance-running-and-human-evolution-what-does-new-evidence-hunter-gatherers-add-debate

"Sweating is a far more efficient way of cooling than panting, which is
the evaporation
of water from the smaller surface area of the mouth and lungs. Panting is
distinguished
from mouth-breathing—another human behaviour that makes endurance running
easy.
The process of combined mouth- and nose-breathing and the rate at which it
happens,
is also decoupled from the mechanics of locomotion.

"In most running quadrupeds, the synchronised movement of the diaphragm
and visceral
organs during running works to push air in and out of the lungs, so
running speed is closely
tied to the respiratory rate at a 1:1 ratio. Hence, they cannot increase
their running speed
without increasing their respiratory rate. Further, due to the necessity
of panting through
the mouth, there is a point of trade-off where greater running speed,
requiring greater heat
dissipation, does not allow for fast enough panting."

littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op zondag 6 februari 2022 om 09:42:41 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath
>
>> Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
>
> :-D
>
> “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).
>

Tell us the author of that quote is, mv... you ashamed to admit it?

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:16 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
> DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath
> >
> > Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
> >
> In humans, breathing is decoupled from locomotion
>
> https://researchmatters.in/news/endurance-running-and-human-evolution-what-does-new-evidence-hunter-gatherers-add-debate
>
> "Sweating is a far more efficient way of cooling than panting, which is
> the evaporation
> of water from the smaller surface area of the mouth and lungs. Panting is
> distinguished
> from mouth-breathing—another human behaviour that makes endurance running
> easy.
> The process of combined mouth- and nose-breathing and the rate at which it
> happens,
> is also decoupled from the mechanics of locomotion.
>
> "In most running quadrupeds, the synchronised movement of the diaphragm
> and visceral
> organs during running works to push air in and out of the lungs, so
> running speed is closely
> tied to the respiratory rate at a 1:1 ratio. Hence, they cannot increase
> their running speed
> without increasing their respiratory rate. Further, due to the necessity
> of panting through
> the mouth, there is a point of trade-off where greater running speed,
> requiring greater heat
> dissipation, does not allow for fast enough panting."

They are comparing Hs with typical open plains quadrupedal ungulate mammals whose breathing is in rhythm with their limb gait. We can chat and juggle while jogging, obviously we are partly 'decoupled' in that sense.

But I meant something different. On a hot sunny day, try diving while breath-holding, then try jogging while breath-holding. The dive will last longer than the run. Our decoupled breathing allows for better breath control, so we can talk and sing far longer than other fauna while still or walking or even slow running.

Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:16 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
>> DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath
>>>
>>> Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
>>>
>> In humans, breathing is decoupled from locomotion
>>
>> https://researchmatters.in/news/endurance-running-and-human-evolution-what-does-new-evidence-hunter-gatherers-add-debate
>>
>> "Sweating is a far more efficient way of cooling than panting, which is
>> the evaporation
>> of water from the smaller surface area of the mouth and lungs. Panting is
>> distinguished
>> from mouth-breathing—another human behaviour that makes endurance running
>> easy.
>> The process of combined mouth- and nose-breathing and the rate at which it
>> happens,
>> is also decoupled from the mechanics of locomotion.
>>
>> "In most running quadrupeds, the synchronised movement of the diaphragm
>> and visceral
>> organs during running works to push air in and out of the lungs, so
>> running speed is closely
>> tied to the respiratory rate at a 1:1 ratio. Hence, they cannot increase
>> their running speed
>> without increasing their respiratory rate. Further, due to the necessity
>> of panting through
>> the mouth, there is a point of trade-off where greater running speed,
>> requiring greater heat
>> dissipation, does not allow for fast enough panting."
>
> They are comparing Hs with typical open plains quadrupedal ungulate mammals whose breathing is in rhythm with their limb gait. We can chat and juggle while jogging, obviously we are partly 'decoupled' in that sense.
>
> But I meant something different. On a hot sunny day, try diving while breath-holding, then try jogging while breath-holding. The dive will last longer than the run. Our decoupled breathing allows for better breath control, so we can talk and sing far longer than other fauna while still or walking or even slow running.

Hmmm. Would like to see some documentation on that.

> Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.

Wellll, there's a lot of lee way in that. I know a bunch of runners, short
and long distances,
economy is important but it's important in swimming.

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:06:39 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
> DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:16 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
> >> DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 3:30:31 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/06/i-didnt-even-know-this-was-humanly-possible-the-woman-who-can-descend-into-the-sea-on-one-breath
> >>>
> >>> Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
> >>>
> >> In humans, breathing is decoupled from locomotion
> >>
> >> https://researchmatters.in/news/endurance-running-and-human-evolution-what-does-new-evidence-hunter-gatherers-add-debate
> >>
> >> "Sweating is a far more efficient way of cooling than panting, which is
> >> the evaporation
> >> of water from the smaller surface area of the mouth and lungs. Panting is
> >> distinguished
> >> from mouth-breathing—another human behaviour that makes endurance running
> >> easy.
> >> The process of combined mouth- and nose-breathing and the rate at which it
> >> happens,
> >> is also decoupled from the mechanics of locomotion.
> >>
> >> "In most running quadrupeds, the synchronised movement of the diaphragm
> >> and visceral
> >> organs during running works to push air in and out of the lungs, so
> >> running speed is closely
> >> tied to the respiratory rate at a 1:1 ratio. Hence, they cannot increase
> >> their running speed
> >> without increasing their respiratory rate. Further, due to the necessity
> >> of panting through
> >> the mouth, there is a point of trade-off where greater running speed,
> >> requiring greater heat
> >> dissipation, does not allow for fast enough panting."
> >
> > They are comparing Hs with typical open plains quadrupedal ungulate mammals whose breathing is in rhythm with their limb gait. We can chat and juggle while jogging, obviously we are partly 'decoupled' in that sense.
> >
> > But I meant something different. On a hot sunny day, try diving while breath-holding, then try jogging while breath-holding. The dive will last longer than the run. Our decoupled breathing allows for better breath control, so we can talk and sing far longer than other fauna while still or walking or even slow running.
> Hmmm. Would like to see some documentation on that.
> > Endurance running requires perfect breath control to avoid exhaustion and maintain pace.
> Wellll, there's a lot of lee way in that. I know a bunch of runners, short
> and long distances,
> economy is important but it's important in swimming.

My view is that activities varied per locale and climate & season, but sleeping habits did not, human ancestors slept safely and comfortably in ape-derived shelters in kinship groups..

Op maandag 7 februari 2022 om 00:27:02 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).

> Says the one who breathlessly thinks mermaids were human ancestors. Diagnosis: hypoxia.

:-D
My little boy with the mermaid brain,
it's really not difficult, even for you:
-your mermaids: sea-grass: small brain,
-H.erectus: shellfish: large brain:
-- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
-- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
-- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
-- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
-- etc.etc.
Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:18:22 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op maandag 7 februari 2022 om 00:27:02 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > > “The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed.” (Hum.Evol.28:237-266,- 2013).
>
> > Says the one who breathlessly thinks mermaids were human ancestors. Diagnosis: hypoxia.
> :-D
> My little boy with the mermaid brain,
> it's really not difficult, even for you:
> -your mermaids: sea-grass: small brain,
> -H.erectus: shellfish: large brain:
> -- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
> -- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
> -- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
> -- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
> -- etc.etc.
> Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

Spawn of the sea, why did they dive for big nosed saiga?

Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 18:49:43 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> Spawn of the sea, why did they dive for big nosed saiga?

:-D
My little boy with the mermaid brain,
it's really not difficult, even for you:
-your mermaids: sea-grass: small brain,
-H.erectus: shellfish: large brain:
-- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
-- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
-- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
-- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
-- etc.etc.
Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:43:12 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 18:49:43 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > Spawn of the sea, why did they dive for big nosed saiga?
>
> :-D
> My little boy with the mermaid brain,
> it's really not difficult, even for you:
> -your mermaids: sea-grass: small brain,
> -H.erectus: shellfish: large brain:
> -- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
> -- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
> -- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
> -- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
> -- etc.etc.
> Only incredible idiots believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.
Diving for saiga

Op vrijdag 4 maart 2022 om 15:38:31 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> Diving for saiga

said our little mermaid...

??

On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 9:07:45 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op vrijdag 4 maart 2022 om 15:38:31 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
>
>
> > Diving for saiga
>
> said our little mermaid...
>
> ??

Strawman chasing saiga underwater, Oi!