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* Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewablesFlyguy
`* Re: Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewablesJohn Larkin
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  `* Re: Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewablesÖö Tiib
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    `- Re: Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewablesJan Panteltje

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 by: Flyguy - Thu, 17 Aug 2023 21:45 UTC

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From: jlar...@highland_atwork_technology.com (John Larkin)
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 by: John Larkin - Thu, 17 Aug 2023 22:13 UTC

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
<soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:

>https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e

Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources.

The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
we'll have.

Cities burn because of bad management.

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Subject: Re: Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewables
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 by: Fred Bloggs - Fri, 18 Aug 2023 11:38 UTC

On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
> <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
>
> Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources.
>
> The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
> we'll have.
>
> Cities burn because of bad management.

The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. This whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unprecedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a completely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on Maui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow to 100 acres.

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Subject: Re: Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewables
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 by: Öö Tiib - Fri, 18 Aug 2023 13:08 UTC

On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 14:38:56 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
> > <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
> >
> > Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources.
> >
> > The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
> > we'll have.
> >
> > Cities burn because of bad management.
> The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. This whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unprecedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a completely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on Maui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow to 100 acres.

<https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/nfn>
"More than 10,600 wildland firefighters and support personnel are assigned to incidents nationwide. Eleven new large fires were reported yesterday, six in California and Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Montana and Washington each had one. Eleven new large fires and complexes have burned 515,705 acres in 14 states."

News come all the time ... Yellowknife ... Tenerife ... "emergency" ... "out of control".
That when brutal heatwave is predicted yet coming to both central part of US and
large part of Europe.

Millions acres burn, tens of thousands firefighters work everywhere, tens of
thousands people lose homes weekly ... indeed "bad management". It just
can't be global warming or CO2 because ads of fossil fuel industry denied it.

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Subject: Re: Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewables
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 by: Fred Bloggs - Fri, 18 Aug 2023 13:25 UTC

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib wrote:
> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 14:38:56 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
> > > <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7beed21e
> > >
> > > Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources..
> > >
> > > The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
> > > we'll have.
> > >
> > > Cities burn because of bad management.
> > The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. This whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unprecedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a completely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on Maui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow to 100 acres.
> <https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/nfn>
> "More than 10,600 wildland firefighters and support personnel are assigned to incidents nationwide. Eleven new large fires were reported yesterday, six in California and Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Montana and Washington each had one. Eleven new large fires and complexes have burned 515,705 acres in 14 states."
>
> News come all the time ... Yellowknife ... Tenerife ... "emergency" ... "out of control".
> That when brutal heatwave is predicted yet coming to both central part of US and
> large part of Europe.
>
> Millions acres burn, tens of thousands firefighters work everywhere, tens of
> thousands people lose homes weekly ... indeed "bad management". It just
> can't be global warming or CO2 because ads of fossil fuel industry denied it.

Even France has a major wildfire burning in the Pyrenees. That would be one of the last places to expect a wildfire.

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Subject: Re: Hawaiian Electric ignored wildfire danger, spent most money on renewables
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 by: Jan Panteltje - Fri, 18 Aug 2023 15:30 UTC

On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Aug 2023 06:25:42 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<63a962d8-b5ab-4c59-baf9-cbcc7868b621n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-4, Öö Tiib w=
>rote:
>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 14:38:56 UTC+3, Fred Bloggs wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 6:13:57 PM UTC-4, John Larkin w=
>rote:
>> > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
>> > > <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >https://www.wsj.com/us-news/wildfire-risk-maui-hawaiian-electric-7be=
>ed21e
>> > >
>> > > Things grow and things burn and there will always be ignition sources=
>.
>> > >
>> > > The more fires people put out, the fewer and the bigger the fires
>> > > we'll have.
>> > >
>> > > Cities burn because of bad management.
>> > The whole world is being burned up by these unanticipated wildfires. Th=
>is whole bit with elevated temperatures causing flora to dehydrate to unpre=
>cedented levels, and thereby become an extreme wildfire hazard, is a comple=
>tely new experience for everyone. Ordinarily the dried up Guinea Grass on M=
>aui was not a problem, it would be rare for them to see a brush fire grow t=
>o 100 acres.
>> <https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/nfn>
>> "More than 10,600 wildland firefighters and support personnel are assigne=
>d to incidents nationwide. Eleven new large fires were reported yesterday, =
>six in California and Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Montana and Washington each=
> had one. Eleven new large fires and complexes have burned 515,705 acres in=
> 14 states."
>>
>> News come all the time ... Yellowknife ... Tenerife ... "emergency" ... "=
>out of control".
>> That when brutal heatwave is predicted yet coming to both central part of=
> US and
>> large part of Europe.
>>
>> Millions acres burn, tens of thousands firefighters work everywhere, tens=
> of
>> thousands people lose homes weekly ... indeed "bad management". It just=
>
>> can't be global warming or CO2 because ads of fossil fuel industry denied=
> it.
>
>Even France has a major wildfire burning in the Pyrenees. That would be one=
> of the last places to expect a wildfire.

Yes, but this is the news now in Germany, Europe, just a few hours drive away from that:
https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2023/aug/07/weather-tracker-german-city-reutlingen-hail-freak-summer-storm
Today:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hit-by-hail-flooding-as-severe-storms-sweep-nation/a-65999117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9u5HWqworEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9u5HWqworEE

The warming crowd does not talk about that

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