Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
that dries out?

Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?

Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:

Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A

Or in the states

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/

- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.

Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?

SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
Inches, Black

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW

In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW

--
MRM

On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
<spamme@not.com> wrote:

>Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>that dries out?
>
>Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>
>Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>
>Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>
>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>
>Or in the states
>
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>
>- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>
>Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>
>SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>Inches, Black
>
>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>
>In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW

I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
until I got it that it prints on both sides.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT

Big but really nice.

On 8/19/2023 4:01 AM, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
> Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
> that dries out?

Hell no! Though the ink for the phasers was probably *more*
outrageous (but the prints were infinitely nicer!).

Craigslist will turn up a few each week if you feel like
maintaining your own printer.

> Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?

Look to your local public library -- 10c/ea for double-sided
color. You likely can submit a "job" from home and just go
pick it up.

Or, your local Kinkos/service bureau. It's just not worth the hassle
of maintaining printers when you can purchase *prints* for pennies.

We keep a couple of old (low temperature) laserjets simply because I
rescued a half dozen NIB toner cartridges -- and, having a monochrome
print sometimes comes in handy. At 5000pp per cartridge, we'll likely
NEVER have to buy one!

But, the duplex phasers and high-speed lasers are a thing of
the past, here. Esp if you want to leave the printer powered up
so its ready whenever ANYONE wants to use it.

> Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
> quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:

USB? Ick. Printers should all talk over the network. Who wants
to dedicate a computer to serving the printer? What happens when your
next OS doesn't include support for the printer?

Ditto for other appliances (scanners, SAN/NAS, etc.)

> Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>
> Or in the states
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>
> - for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
> they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>
> Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>
> SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
> Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
> Inches, Black
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>
> In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW

On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:23:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<12k1eil96dsb2ek3i34lgofvdev2teo2kp@4ax.com>:

>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
><spamme@not.com> wrote:
>
>>Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>>that dries out?
>>
>>Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>
>>Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>>quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>
>>Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>
>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>
>>Or in the states
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>
>>- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>>they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>>
>>Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>
>>SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>>Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>>Inches, Black
>>
>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>
>>In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>
>I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
>with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
>until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>
>Big but really nice.

I have an Epson R200 inkjet color printer and used it mainly to print labels on DVDs, looked really nice.
Yes some ink dries out, I bought an ink system for it with big bottles back then.
It is sitting in a box somewhere, all goes via gifs and jpgs and video over the net these days,
pdfs with pictures too.

My first printer was a Brother thermal one to print receipts for my repair shop.
Have some other BW printer somewhere too.

Use your cellphone to show things....
BW printing??? Who needs it?

On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:11:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:23:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
><12k1eil96dsb2ek3i34lgofvdev2teo2kp@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
>><spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>>>that dries out?
>>>
>>>Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>>
>>>Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>>>quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>>
>>>Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>>
>>>Or in the states
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>>
>>>- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>>>they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>>>
>>>Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>>
>>>SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>>>Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>>>Inches, Black
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>>
>>>In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>
>>I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
>>with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
>>until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>>
>>Big but really nice.
>
>I have an Epson R200 inkjet color printer and used it mainly to print labels on DVDs, looked really nice.
>Yes some ink dries out, I bought an ink system for it with big bottles back then.
>It is sitting in a box somewhere, all goes via gifs and jpgs and video over the net these days,
>pdfs with pictures too.
>
>My first printer was a Brother thermal one to print receipts for my repair shop.
>Have some other BW printer somewhere too.
>
>Use your cellphone to show things....
>BW printing??? Who needs it?
>

I like to print documents and mark them up. I can do that in bed with
coffee or chocolate handy.

Schematics too. We have a wonderful Sharp networked
printer/copier/scanner at work that prints B-sized schematics.

US 'A' size schematics are too small for me, and a screen doesn't have
the same feel as a nice stapled multi-sheet schematic that you can
scribble on.

A printed schematic is essentially three (or at least 2.5d)
dimensional, like the real world. Brains form and manipulate 3D images
of the world, and a stack of paper feels like that to me; I know where
the clock buffer is in paper space. It will later become a multilayer
PC board, same sort of spatial concept.

A schematic or a PCB layout on a cell phone might work for a tiny
design, but ours run to 20 B-size sheets and 1000 components.

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 10:23:25 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
> <spa...@not.com> wrote:
>
> >Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
> >that dries out?
> >
> >Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
> >
> >Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
> >quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
> >
> >Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
> >
> >https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
> >
> >Or in the states
> >
> >https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
> >
> >- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
> >they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
> >
> >Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
> >
> >SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
> >Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
> >Inches, Black
> >
> >https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
> >
> >In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
> >
> >https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
> I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
> with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
> until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>
> Big but really nice.

There are a bunch of submodel variations on that MF3010 Low end brand new but discontinued in U.S. is $79.00.

https://www.amazon.com/Canon-imageCLASS-Multifunction-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B005A09UCY/ref=asc_df_B005A09UCY/

The 'compare with similar items' gives the micro-differences. Who would buy a wired vs wireless printer these days, even for personal use?

The manufacturers need to be responsible and put a limit on or completely block braindead fossils from doing things like printing out 300-page pdf's. A lot of those types aren't worth the resources they consume.

The Canon software I know has a 'print to pdf' feature, pdf sent to disk folder. That turns out to be valuable for times the recipient requires a document in 'uneditable format', as they say, sent as email attachment.

On 2023-08-19 07:01, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
> Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
> that dries out?
>
> Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>
> Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
> quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>
> Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>
> Or in the states
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>
> - for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
> they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>
> Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>
> SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
> Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
> Inches, Black
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>
> In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW

We standardized on eBay LaserJet 2300DTNs a decade or so back. Most of
them need new rollers, but our laser repair guy charged us $100 for a
house call to do that last time. Their Ethernet is 100base-T, which is
fine for a printer. Our printers are in one corner of my office, next
to the main Supermicro server and about 8 feet from the cable modem, so
wiring is not an issue.

HP discontinued the #10 print cartridges they use, but they're available
cheap from overseas.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:23:00 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
><spamme@not.com> wrote:
>
>>Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>>that dries out?
>>
>>Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>
>>Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>>quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>
>>Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>
>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>
>>Or in the states
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>
>>- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>>they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>>
>>Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>
>>SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>>Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>>Inches, Black
>>
>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>
>>In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>
>I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
>with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
>until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>
>Big but really nice.

I went the Brother printer route years ago. They just work and I can
get the inexpensive print cartridges.

WAY better than what HP turned out to be !

boB

On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:31:32 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:23:00 -0700, John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
>><spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>>>that dries out?
>>>
>>>Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>>
>>>Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>>>quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>>
>>>Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>>
>>>Or in the states
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>>
>>>- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>>>they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>>>
>>>Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>>
>>>SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>>>Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>>>Inches, Black
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>>
>>>In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>
>>I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
>>with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
>>until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>>
>>Big but really nice.
>
>
>I went the Brother printer route years ago. They just work and I can
>get the inexpensive print cartridges.
>
>WAY better than what HP turned out to be !
>
>boB

I recenty read about another HP scam. Their printer refuses to print a
b&w doc if any of the color cartriges is low.

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 12:31:32 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:23:00 -0700, John Larkin
>> <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
>>> <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>>>> that dries out?
>>>>
>>>> Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>>>
>>>> Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>>>> quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>>>
>>>> Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>>>
>>>> Or in the states
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>>>
>>>> - for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>>>> they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>>>>
>>>> Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>>>
>>>> SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>>>> Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>>>> Inches, Black
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>>>
>>>> In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>>
>>> I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
>>> with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
>>> until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>>>
>>> Big but really nice.
>>
>>
>> I went the Brother printer route years ago. They just work and I can
>> get the inexpensive print cartridges.
>>
>> WAY better than what HP turned out to be !
>>
>> boB
>
> I recenty read about another HP scam. Their printer refuses to print a
> b&w doc if any of the color cartriges is low.
>
>

My Brother MFC-2490CW B-size all-in-ones are like that, but since they
don’t use cartridges with chips, it’s not a problem.

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

> We standardized on eBay LaserJet 2300DTNs a decade or so back. Most of
> them need new rollers, but our laser repair guy charged us $100 for a
> house call to do that last time. Their Ethernet is 100base-T, which is
> fine for a printer. Our printers are in one corner of my office, next
> to the main Supermicro server and about 8 feet from the cable modem, so
> wiring is not an issue.
>
> HP discontinued the #10 print cartridges they use, but they're available
> cheap from overseas.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs

Sounds like you are about due for replacement printers.

If you have a lot of laser printers in an enclosed space, watch out for
ozone buildup. It is not healthy. I have a pending patent application for a
simple cure.

Two toner cartridges for the Canon printer cost CAD $30.95:

https://www.amazon.ca/Inkfirst-Cartridge-3484B001-Compatible-
Remanufactured/dp/B01MAV27XX/

The price for one cartidge is USD $24.99:

Toner Cartridge Replacement for Canon ImageCLASS LBP6030w LBP6000 MF3010

https://www.amazon.com/Valuetoner-Compatible-Cartridge-Replacement-
ImageClass/dp/B00R56IVWQ/

--
MRM

On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:09:59 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
<5dp1eihpecf4k1lu8h06r93jo0o5rg3esl@4ax.com>:

>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:11:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:23:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>><12k1eil96dsb2ek3i34lgofvdev2teo2kp@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
>>><spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>>>>that dries out?
>>>>
>>>>Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>>>
>>>>Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>>>>quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>>>
>>>>Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>>>
>>>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>>>
>>>>Or in the states
>>>>
>>>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>>>
>>>>- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>>>>they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>>>>
>>>>Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>>>
>>>>SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>>>>Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>>>>Inches, Black
>>>>
>>>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>>>
>>>>In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>>>
>>>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>>
>>>I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
>>>with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
>>>until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>>>
>>>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>>>
>>>Big but really nice.
>>
>>I have an Epson R200 inkjet color printer and used it mainly to print labels on DVDs, looked really nice.
>>Yes some ink dries out, I bought an ink system for it with big bottles back then.
>>It is sitting in a box somewhere, all goes via gifs and jpgs and video over the net these days,
>>pdfs with pictures too.
>>
>>My first printer was a Brother thermal one to print receipts for my repair shop.
>>Have some other BW printer somewhere too.
>>
>>Use your cellphone to show things....
>>BW printing??? Who needs it?
>>
>
>I like to print documents and mark them up. I can do that in bed with
>coffee or chocolate handy.
>
>Schematics too. We have a wonderful Sharp networked
>printer/copier/scanner at work that prints B-sized schematics.
>
>US 'A' size schematics are too small for me, and a screen doesn't have
>the same feel as a nice stapled multi-sheet schematic that you can
>scribble on.
>
>A printed schematic is essentially three (or at least 2.5d)
>dimensional, like the real world. Brains form and manipulate 3D images
>of the world, and a stack of paper feels like that to me; I know where
>the clock buffer is in paper space. It will later become a multilayer
>PC board, same sort of spatial concept.
>
>A schematic or a PCB layout on a cell phone might work for a tiny
>design, but ours run to 20 B-size sheets and 1000 components.

All very true.

I have some binders with A4 sheets of pencil drawings of circuits I designed and build,
those are also scanned of course and on harddisk.
https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/system14/diagrams/index.html
that is from the eighties...
Now how will we look at what we do with spice and things like that these days in say 50 years from now?

As to does not fit, I use - [in Linux] - xv as viewer in
xv -nolimits diagram.gif
And have a nice big monitor and an even bigger TV if must be, even a remote wireless keyboard
https://panteltje.nl/pub/small_keyboard_IXIMG_0914.JPG
that works with a Raspberry Pi, and that Pi can be connected via USB to my big Samsung TV used as monitor.
Oh, I forgot, have a laser projector too, if it must be really big... :-)

On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 05:47:48 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Aug 2023 09:09:59 -0700) it happened John Larkin
><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
><5dp1eihpecf4k1lu8h06r93jo0o5rg3esl@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 15:11:51 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:23:00 -0700) it happened John Larkin
>>><jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
>>><12k1eil96dsb2ek3i34lgofvdev2teo2kp@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
>>>><spamme@not.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>>>>>that dries out?
>>>>>
>>>>>Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>>>>
>>>>>Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>>>>>quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>>>>
>>>>>Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>>>>
>>>>>Or in the states
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>>>>
>>>>>- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>>>>>they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>>>>
>>>>>SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>>>>>Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>>>>>Inches, Black
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>>>>
>>>>>In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>>>
>>>>I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
>>>>with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
>>>>until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>>>>
>>>>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>>>>
>>>>Big but really nice.
>>>
>>>I have an Epson R200 inkjet color printer and used it mainly to print labels on DVDs, looked really nice.
>>>Yes some ink dries out, I bought an ink system for it with big bottles back then.
>>>It is sitting in a box somewhere, all goes via gifs and jpgs and video over the net these days,
>>>pdfs with pictures too.
>>>
>>>My first printer was a Brother thermal one to print receipts for my repair shop.
>>>Have some other BW printer somewhere too.
>>>
>>>Use your cellphone to show things....
>>>BW printing??? Who needs it?
>>>
>>
>>I like to print documents and mark them up. I can do that in bed with
>>coffee or chocolate handy.
>>
>>Schematics too. We have a wonderful Sharp networked
>>printer/copier/scanner at work that prints B-sized schematics.
>>
>>US 'A' size schematics are too small for me, and a screen doesn't have
>>the same feel as a nice stapled multi-sheet schematic that you can
>>scribble on.
>>
>>A printed schematic is essentially three (or at least 2.5d)
>>dimensional, like the real world. Brains form and manipulate 3D images
>>of the world, and a stack of paper feels like that to me; I know where
>>the clock buffer is in paper space. It will later become a multilayer
>>PC board, same sort of spatial concept.
>>
>>A schematic or a PCB layout on a cell phone might work for a tiny
>>design, but ours run to 20 B-size sheets and 1000 components.
>
>All very true.
>
>I have some binders with A4 sheets of pencil drawings of circuits I designed and build,
>those are also scanned of course and on harddisk.
> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/system14/diagrams/index.html
> that is from the eighties...
>Now how will we look at what we do with spice and things like that these days in say 50 years from now?

We'll still be the primates that evolved in the jungles or wherever,
so some things will be the same.

Books, chairs, beds, coffee, bread, chocolate, butter are probably
here to stay.

Veggie based "impossible" burgers are awful, and probably won't last.

>
>As to does not fit, I use - [in Linux] - xv as viewer in
> xv -nolimits diagram.gif
>And have a nice big monitor and an even bigger TV if must be, even a remote wireless keyboard
> https://panteltje.nl/pub/small_keyboard_IXIMG_0914.JPG
> that works with a Raspberry Pi, and that Pi can be connected via USB to my big Samsung TV used as monitor.
>Oh, I forgot, have a laser projector too, if it must be really big... :-)
>

On 8/19/23 09:09, John Larkin wrote:
>
>
> I like to print documents and mark them up. I can do that in bed with
> coffee or chocolate handy.

Hmmm, OK, do you get better print quality with chocolate or coffee?

>
> Schematics too. We have a wonderful Sharp networked
> printer/copier/scanner at work that prints B-sized schematics.
>
> US 'A' size schematics are too small for me, and a screen doesn't have
> the same feel as a nice stapled multi-sheet schematic that you can
> scribble on.
>
> A printed schematic is essentially three (or at least 2.5d)
> dimensional, like the real world. Brains form and manipulate 3D images
> of the world, and a stack of paper feels like that to me; I know where
> the clock buffer is in paper space. It will later become a multilayer
> PC board, same sort of spatial concept.
>
> A schematic or a PCB layout on a cell phone might work for a tiny
> design, but ours run to 20 B-size sheets and 1000 components.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 07:23:00 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
><spamme@not.com> wrote:
>
>>Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>>that dries out?
>>
>>Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>
>>Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>>quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>
>>Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>
>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>
>>Or in the states
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>
>>- for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>>they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.
>>
>>Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>
>>SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>>Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>>Inches, Black
>>
>>https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>
>>In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>
>>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>
>I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
>with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
>until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>
>Big but really nice.

I also settled on Brother printers, specifically a MFC-9840CDW bought
in 2008, which is now getting a bit long in the tooth - the rubber
stuff is glazing and/or getting sticky. I've repaired it a few times,
and upgraded the memory to 256 Mbytes when memory had become cheap.

After 15 years, it owes me nothing. I'll probably upgrade to a
MFC-L8905CDW.

I have a hard-wired home Ethernet, and this is the network printer.

I print mostly from various MacOS computers, but at least the old
printer was best managed from a Windows laptop. Which I now have -
too many things in the lab required a Window machine.

Joe Gwinn

On 2023-08-20, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:
> On 8/19/23 09:09, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>
>> I like to print documents and mark them up. I can do that in bed with
>> coffee or chocolate handy.
>
> Hmmm, OK, do you get better print quality with chocolate or coffee?
>

There's no comparison, chocolate is a wax crayon and coffee is a
watercolour,

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні

On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 12:37:01 -0700, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:

>On 8/19/23 09:09, John Larkin wrote:
>>
>>
>> I like to print documents and mark them up. I can do that in bed with
>> coffee or chocolate handy.
>
>Hmmm, OK, do you get better print quality with chocolate or coffee?

Chocolate is best for analog circuits.

Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> writes:

>USB? Ick. Printers should all talk over the network. Who wants
>to dedicate a computer to serving the printer? What happens when your
>next OS doesn't include support for the printer?

Agreed. HP Jet Direct.
--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On 8/21/2023 7:59 AM, David Lesher wrote:
> Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> writes:
>
>
>> USB? Ick. Printers should all talk over the network. Who wants
>> to dedicate a computer to serving the printer? What happens when your
>> next OS doesn't include support for the printer?
>
> Agreed. HP Jet Direct.

That's the approach I've taken with my older LJs (and a very
short printer cable). Most pther "peripherals" have been
selected to have an onboard NIC.

On 19/08/2023 15:23, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 11:01:55 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett VE3BTI
> <spamme@not.com> wrote:
>
>> Still playing with Inkjet printers and paying outrageous prices for ink
>> that dries out?
>>
>> Looking at lasers but finding the price too high?
>>
>> Voila. Canon released a black and white laser printer for $99, with Canon
>> quality and reliability. USB interface. Buy it here:
>>
>> Canon imageCLASS MF3010 Laser Multifunction Printer, Black
>>
>> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00DU7K50A
>>
>> Or in the states
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DU7K50A/
>>
>> - for $329. Donno why the price is so high, but vendors can charge anything
>> they can get away with. Buy it from Canada.

That does seem excessively high.
Usually price in US $ = price in GB£ for most hitech goods.

Amazon UK have that one for £167.91

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-i-SENSYS-MF3010-Multifunction-Printer/dp/B005VNCHMA/

At least I think that is the comparable model for 240v.
>>
>> Need a printer stand on wheels that fits the printer for $35.99?
>>
>> SONGMICS 3 Tier Printer Stand, Printer Table with Wheels, Rolling Printer
>> Cart, Printer Desk with Metal Frame for Home Office, 16.1 x 12.2 x 26.8
>> Inches, Black
>>
>> https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>>
>> In the states, $35.99 + $25.25 Shipping & Import Fees
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FDVR5JW
>
> I got tired of HP ripoffs and got a Brother color printer, which comes
> with a massive amount of toner and refills are cheap. I didn't realize
> until I got it that it prints on both sides.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XDSMKLT
>
> Big but really nice.

If you don't mind a physically big unit there are some good end-of-line
bargains to be had. I got a new Dell 1320C way back in 2007. Its print
quality at the time was as near to photoreal as makes no difference.

I soon got a complete spare unit from a surplus place just to get the 2
sets of "free" Dell toner that came with it. This was because assembly
and commissioning was a bit tricky and so many customers trashed the
main print head assembling it that there was a big oversupply of toner
from dead machines. By the time they ran out the after market toner
makers had perfected cloned toner cartridges...

The second print head finally gave up the ghost earlier this year - the
black is so faint as to be almost unreadable. I replaced it with a Xerox
6510 also an end of line physically big colour laser with a nice print
engine. It does duplex printing too (once you find the right setting).

My even older Samsung duplex mono laser is also on its last legs and
although it still prints OK it adds a few thin lines here and there.

--
Martin Brown

Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

> If you don't mind a physically big unit there are some good end-of-line
> bargains to be had. I got a new Dell 1320C way back in 2007. Its print
> quality at the time was as near to photoreal as makes no difference.
>
> I soon got a complete spare unit from a surplus place just to get the 2
> sets of "free" Dell toner that came with it. This was because assembly
> and commissioning was a bit tricky and so many customers trashed the
> main print head assembling it that there was a big oversupply of toner
> from dead machines. By the time they ran out the after market toner
> makers had perfected cloned toner cartridges...
>
> The second print head finally gave up the ghost earlier this year - the
> black is so faint as to be almost unreadable. I replaced it with a Xerox
> 6510 also an end of line physically big colour laser with a nice print
> engine. It does duplex printing too (once you find the right setting).
>
> My even older Samsung duplex mono laser is also on its last legs and
> although it still prints OK it adds a few thin lines here and there.
>
> --
> Martin Brown

I was kind of hoping to entice you and phil to consider the Canon BW
printer. For only $99 for a brand new printer and cheap remanufactured
toner, it could probably handle a large percentage of your printing needs.
It could also save much space you could devote to more important things.

Probably wishful thinking on my part. You guys are so organized that you
probably don't need any help. But $99 is an attractive price, and new is
new.

--
MRM