On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 12:40:19 AM UTC+2, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > On 18/05/2021 1:13 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > >> On 17/05/2021 4:35 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > >>>> On 17/05/2021 12:17 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:

In order to follow the process of branching of words hring, cirkus, κίρκος, krug, we have to see that hring is the closest to the basic IE formation for circle, krug - *hor-gon > hrign > hring > ring. On the other side is *gon-bel IE basis which "produced" kolo, wheel, hjul, κύκλος (*gon-gon-bel-). If we take in consideration wheel and kolo we'll see that the sound /b/ is omitted. We must start with the round form ( h/oblo 'round, oval, ball, globe, glava, head, OHG houb/l/it), in fact, from the round object we are seeing up in the sky - cloud. Also, hobble, wobble, kobeljati, kolebati, humpeln, move unpredictably like a stormy cloud in the sky.

On 18/05/2021 10:40 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>> On 18/05/2021 1:13 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>>>> On 17/05/2021 4:35 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/05/2021 12:17 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>>>>>>> (I add comments, not a slavic speaker nor a linguist.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 4:37:11 AM UTC-4, Dušan Vukotić wrote:
>>>>>>>> It is very difficult to follow the development of the word svekar (father-in-law) in Slavic languages. It seems that this is a compound word (sve- + kar-). First word (sve-) might indicate that husband’s father was "sveti otac" (kind of 'holy father') to the married woman- ie. SSl. sveti otac > sve-tac 'saint'.
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> sveti ~ saintly ~ tzintli@Azt: saintly <~ tsuointli ~> otli@Azt: holy order vs potli: border, boundary
>>>>>>> Suo ~ Xyua: through + uamb: womb/wamba/home => xyuambuatlay ~ family: father+mother+all(o)y/order
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> In Serbian and most other Slavic languages, husband’s father-in-law is not svekar – but he is named differently - tast. Although we have no clear etymology for this word, it seems that tast was derived from the word tazbina (the property and family of the wife's father). Tazbina, as we can see, is very close to the SSl. otadžbina (fatherland) and now we can understand that Serb. tast has the same meaning as Sl. otac ‘father’.
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Taz, tast, otac ~ father, dad, pops
>>>>>> Well, the /t/ maybe. The root in otac is ot-, cf. Gothic atta 'father'.
>>>>>
>>>>> ot- (xyuambh)UAT(l)AC(hya) uatac > otac, atta
>>>>>
>>>>> [I hate the small L and big i being identical in text, I, l. Why'd they drop the top & bottom horizontal lines of the big i? Can I blame Peter for that? At least 1 is distinguishable.]
>>>>>
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> This bound morpheme –bina or – vina (domo-vina ‘homeland’, otadž-bina ‘fatherland’, rod-bina ‘family’, kralje-vina ‘kingdom’, sud-bina ‘destiny’ etc.) serve as a descriptor of the “round” form (Serb. oblina ‘roundness’, Serb. oblik ‘form’; from *ho(n)bl-hn-); I named it “the secret of the ‘round circle’” :)
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Bina, vina, oblina, *ho(n)bl-hn- oval, bowl?, (pig) pen/fence/pit?
>>>>>> The original form of this suffix is just -ina.
>>>>> Thanks, I hadn't realized the long hyphen before bina & vina indicated suffix.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The second word -kar-, -kor-, -kir- and similar, probably has the meaning 'lord' (cf. gr. κύρος). I suppose that Gr. κύρος comes out from the same “arsenal” as SSl. kralj, Russ. король, Lat. rex, regulus (loss of the initial velar, formed in a similar way as SSl. krugljevina > kraljevina (Serb. okruglo ‘round’, okrug ‘district’).
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> Okruglo ~ *(k)wkwelo@PIE, kolo@Pol, gulu@Chn, circular
>>>>>> Nope. The root is -krug-, Proto-Slavic *krõg 'circle', cognate with
>>>>>> Germanic *hring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Er, nope to yer nope.
>>>> I'm not sure what you're negating.
>>>
>>> I'm saying that both *krõg and *hring were derived from a more ancient form which ended in -olu (-uatlua).
>>>
>>> Are you saying that both *krõg and
>>>> *kwkwelo can be derived from Xyuambuwatliwhatever? No news there.
>>>
>>> Loosely so.
>>>
>>>>> mongolu@Mbuti: dome, moNGolu
>>>>> harigolu@Indic: coracle, HaRI-Golu
>>>>> hring@Grm: circle, HRInG
>>>>> okruglo@Srb: round, oKRoGLo
>>>>> gulu@Chn: dome, circle
>>>>> Khudru@Tibet: coracle
>>>>> Most likely that kruglo did not derive from krug but vice versa.
>>>> No, it is not in the least likely to anyone acquainted with the facts.
>>>
>>> If your opinion is based on PIE only, your "facts" will diverge from the overall pattern of the human language.
>> That wouldn't make them any less facts.
>
> -ina/-bina ~ otli/potli@Azt.
> My claim is that these 4 items share a clear connection that cannot be found in any PIE or Linguistics "fact" book.

That would probably be because the connection is clear only to yourself.

> Kruglo is a formation within
>> Slavic, from krug and an adjective-forming suffix (-lo). To suggest that
>> krug is derived from kruglo betrays an ignorance of those facts.
>
> What you refer to here as fact is in my opinion an opinion.

Well, it's a fact to everyone who knows something about the languages in
question. It may not meet whatever it takes to be called a "fact" in
your world, but I can't help that.

>> What you are suggesting is that both krug/hring and *kwkwelo derive from
>> one of your big mother-words which contained them both.
>
> I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid) xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. Those and Mbuti words apa, mongolu, nyama, njama & jambo.

OK, you understand that "big mother words" is my term for your
paleo-keywords.
But, as anyone can see, you have referred to hundreds, if not thousands
of different words from different languages (OK, "dialects" in your
dialect) during the course of your postings here. Why are these 5 Mbuti
words the only ones you'll admit to referring to (along with the
paleo-keywords)?

> The words were not pronounced the exact same 50ka as it is today due to evolution, but so many similar words in many languages point to either heavy borrowing (unlikely for basal words) or shared origin.
>
> That's not "vice
>> versa".
>>>>> Neo-etymologists seek short roots, but often those roots were *trimmed* from more ancient words of high importance to stone age peoples.
>>>> So you have no evidence that this has happened in the case of kruglo,
>>>> apart from your belief that you know these "more ancient words".
>>>
>>> Rather, we can be certain that more ancient people slept securely within round constructed shelters and they used words to label them. I presented some evidence above.
>> As I said.
>>>>> Does anyone know the original meaning of Rig Veda?
>>>>> Rex, Roy, Raj, Rix wore crowns = head ring?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we take Hungarian király (king) we’ll see that this is a word based on Gr. kiros blended with Serb, kralj. Now we can clearly understand that Slavic kralj (kral, krol, karolj, kraljat) has nothing to do with the name of Carolus Magnus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To corroborate the above thinking, let’s mention the Slavic words krajina/pokrajina (Ukraine) which means province, region, district (similar to Serb. okrug ‘district’). If we now compare Latin regulus and region with Slavic kralj and krajina (from kraljevina > krajevina, cf. Craiova in Romania) it becomes absolutely clear that all these words were derived from the same source.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Possessive case of SSl. svekar is svekrova, and mother-in-law’s is svekrvina. There is a possibility that the meaning of svekar is ‘holy master’ (a sort of a king among the husband’s family members). In fact, wife’s father-in-law for centuries was considered as a prominent and most important figure of the new household.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 1:25:25 AM UTC-4, Dušan Vukotić wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 12:40:19 AM UTC+2, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > > On 18/05/2021 1:13 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > > >> On 17/05/2021 4:35 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > > >>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > > >>>> On 17/05/2021 12:17 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> In order to follow the process of branching of words hring, cirkus, κίρκος, krug, we have to see that hring is the closest to the basic IE formation for circle, krug - *hor-gon > hrign > hring > ring. On the other side is *gon-bel IE basis which "produced" kolo, wheel, hjul, κύκλος (*gon-gon-bel-). If we take in consideration wheel and kolo we'll see that the sound /b/ is omitted. We must start with the round form ( h/oblo 'round, oval, ball, globe, glava, head, OHG houb/l/it), in fact, from the round object we are seeing up in the sky - cloud. Also, hobble, wobble, kobeljati, kolebati, humpeln, move unpredictably like a stormy cloud in the sky.

Thanks. Please don't take offense if I might disagree with some claims about etymology.
My rationale differs from normal linguistic methods and rules especially with regards to very ancient words.
My base starts not with a linguistic textbook, nor with a senior mentor, but with ancient apes sleeping in arboreal woven bowl nests, and some of their descendants, the hominin branch, moving to the ground by inverting the bowl nest into a domeshield where they slept, and Homo evolving from that into human camps of thin-walled dome huts of wicker (big portable baskets) and shingled with broad leaves, which they likely developed and shared a name for, and whose name did not disappear like an echo from the past, but rather remains inherently hidden in almost every word in every language today, simply because it was and remains absolutely necessary for the survival of the human species, like air, water, food, but unique because it was an artificial physical construct in nature.
PIE is recent, and is involved with much later technology and social complexities, but still stands on deep ancestral derivations of early mankind.
I'll think about what you wrote.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:30:25 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> On 18/05/2021 10:40 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> >> On 18/05/2021 1:13 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> >>>> On 17/05/2021 4:35 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> >>>>>> On 17/05/2021 12:17 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >>>>>>> (I add comments, not a slavic speaker nor a linguist.)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 4:37:11 AM UTC-4, Dušan Vukotić wrote:
> >>>>>>>> It is very difficult to follow the development of the word svekar (father-in-law) in Slavic languages. It seems that this is a compound word (sve- + kar-). First word (sve-) might indicate that husband’s father was "sveti otac" (kind of 'holy father') to the married woman- ie. SSl.. sveti otac > sve-tac 'saint'.
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> sveti ~ saintly ~ tzintli@Azt: saintly <~ tsuointli ~> otli@Azt: holy order vs potli: border, boundary
> >>>>>>> Suo ~ Xyua: through + uamb: womb/wamba/home => xyuambuatlay ~ family: father+mother+all(o)y/order
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> In Serbian and most other Slavic languages, husband’s father-in-law is not svekar – but he is named differently - tast. Although we have no clear etymology for this word, it seems that tast was derived from the word tazbina (the property and family of the wife's father). Tazbina, as we can see, is very close to the SSl. otadžbina (fatherland) and now we can understand that Serb. tast has the same meaning as Sl. otac ‘father’.
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> Taz, tast, otac ~ father, dad, pops
> >>>>>> Well, the /t/ maybe. The root in otac is ot-, cf. Gothic atta 'father'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ot- (xyuambh)UAT(l)AC(hya) uatac > otac, atta
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [I hate the small L and big i being identical in text, I, l. Why'd they drop the top & bottom horizontal lines of the big i? Can I blame Peter for that? At least 1 is distinguishable.]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> This bound morpheme –bina or – vina (domo-vina ‘homeland’, otadž-bina ‘fatherland’, rod-bina ‘family’, kralje-vina ‘kingdom’, sud-bina ‘destiny’ etc.) serve as a descriptor of the “round” form (Serb. oblina ‘roundness’, Serb. oblik ‘form’; from *ho(n)bl-hn-); I named it “the secret of the ‘round circle’” :)
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> Bina, vina, oblina, *ho(n)bl-hn- oval, bowl?, (pig) pen/fence/pit?
> >>>>>> The original form of this suffix is just -ina.
> >>>>> Thanks, I hadn't realized the long hyphen before bina & vina indicated suffix.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The second word -kar-, -kor-, -kir- and similar, probably has the meaning 'lord' (cf. gr. κύρος). I suppose that Gr. κύρος comes out from the same “arsenal” as SSl. kralj, Russ. король, Lat. rex, regulus (loss of the initial velar, formed in a similar way as SSl. krugljevina > kraljevina (Serb. okruglo ‘round’, okrug ‘district’).
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> Okruglo ~ *(k)wkwelo@PIE, kolo@Pol, gulu@Chn, circular
> >>>>>> Nope. The root is -krug-, Proto-Slavic *krõg 'circle', cognate with
> >>>>>> Germanic *hring.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Er, nope to yer nope.
> >>>> I'm not sure what you're negating.
> >>>
> >>> I'm saying that both *krõg and *hring were derived from a more ancient form which ended in -olu (-uatlua).
> >>>
> >>> Are you saying that both *krõg and
> >>>> *kwkwelo can be derived from Xyuambuwatliwhatever? No news there.
> >>>
> >>> Loosely so.
> >>>
> >>>>> mongolu@Mbuti: dome, moNGolu
> >>>>> harigolu@Indic: coracle, HaRI-Golu
> >>>>> hring@Grm: circle, HRInG
> >>>>> okruglo@Srb: round, oKRoGLo
> >>>>> gulu@Chn: dome, circle
> >>>>> Khudru@Tibet: coracle
> >>>>> Most likely that kruglo did not derive from krug but vice versa.
> >>>> No, it is not in the least likely to anyone acquainted with the facts.
> >>>
> >>> If your opinion is based on PIE only, your "facts" will diverge from the overall pattern of the human language.
> >> That wouldn't make them any less facts.
> >
> > -ina/-bina ~ otli/potli@Azt.
> > My claim is that these 4 items share a clear connection that cannot be found in any PIE or Linguistics "fact" book.
> That would probably be because the connection is clear only to yourself.

I wish it was clear to me! My claim is preliminary. I need to do some digging & sieving to find out for sure, but so far, the indications are good that those word pairings are parallel cognates.

> > Kruglo is a formation within
> >> Slavic, from krug and an adjective-forming suffix (-lo). To suggest that
> >> krug is derived from kruglo betrays an ignorance of those facts.
> >
> > What you refer to here as fact is in my opinion an opinion.
> Well, it's a fact to everyone who knows something about the languages in
> question.

And how many of those people have thought very very very deeply about those specific words in relationship to human language and the biological, technological and societal evolution of humanity? I would suggest, not "everyone who knows something about the language".

It may not meet whatever it takes to be called a "fact" in
> your world, but I can't help that.

Facts depend upon perception.

> >> What you are suggesting is that both krug/hring and *kwkwelo derive from
> >> one of your big mother-words which contained them both.
> >
> > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid) xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. Those and Mbuti words apa, mongolu, nyama, njama & jambo.
> OK, you understand that "big mother words" is my term for your
> paleo-keywords.

Ok. I think 'paleo-keywords' are more precise, but your choice.

> But, as anyone can see, you have referred to hundreds, if not thousands
> of different words from different languages (OK, "dialects" in your
> dialect) during the course of your postings here.

Those are dialect derivatives.

Why are these 5 Mbuti
> words the only ones you'll admit to referring to (along with the
> paleo-keywords)?

They are more basal, have gone through less environmental and societal alteration than most words used today. I erred in omitting endura/ndula, another basal Mbuti word, making 6.

> > The words were not pronounced the exact same 50ka as it is today due to evolution, but so many similar words in many languages point to either heavy borrowing (unlikely for basal words) or shared origin.
> >
> > That's not "vice
> >> versa".
> >>>>> Neo-etymologists seek short roots, but often those roots were *trimmed* from more ancient words of high importance to stone age peoples.
> >>>> So you have no evidence that this has happened in the case of kruglo,
> >>>> apart from your belief that you know these "more ancient words".
> >>>
> >>> Rather, we can be certain that more ancient people slept securely within round constructed shelters and they used words to label them. I presented some evidence above.
> >> As I said.
> >>>>> Does anyone know the original meaning of Rig Veda?
> >>>>> Rex, Roy, Raj, Rix wore crowns = head ring?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If we take Hungarian király (king) we’ll see that this is a word based on Gr. kiros blended with Serb, kralj. Now we can clearly understand that Slavic kralj (kral, krol, karolj, kraljat) has nothing to do with the name of Carolus Magnus.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To corroborate the above thinking, let’s mention the Slavic words krajina/pokrajina (Ukraine) which means province, region, district (similar to Serb. okrug ‘district’). If we now compare Latin regulus and region with Slavic kralj and krajina (from kraljevina > krajevina, cf. Craiova in Romania) it becomes absolutely clear that all these words were derived from the same source.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Possessive case of SSl. svekar is svekrova, and mother-in-law’s is svekrvina. There is a possibility that the meaning of svekar is ‘holy master’ (a sort of a king among the husband’s family members). In fact, wife’s father-in-law for centuries was considered as a prominent and most important figure of the new household.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:

> I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .

Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
of how they were discovered?

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:53:39 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:

> My base starts not with a linguistic textbook, nor with a senior
> mentor, but with ancient apes sleeping in arboreal woven bowl
> nests, and some of their descendants, the hominin branch, moving
> to the ground by inverting the bowl nest into a domeshield where
> they slept, and Homo evolving from that into human camps of thin-
> walled dome huts of wicker (big portable baskets) and shingled with
> broad leaves, which they likely developed and shared a name for,
> and whose name did not disappear like an echo from the past, but
> rather remains inherently hidden in almost every word in every language
> today, simply because it was and remains absolutely necessary for
> the survival of the human species, like air, water, food, but unique
> because it was an artificial physical construct in nature.

My, what a long sentence that was. Modern apes do not emit
vocalizations like or equivalent to your paleo-keywords. What
is your evidence that ancient apes did?

Dušan Vukotić <dusan.vukotic@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 12:40:19 AM UTC+2, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>>> On 18/05/2021 1:13 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>>>>> On 17/05/2021 4:35 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/05/2021 12:17 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>
> In order to follow the process of branching of words hring, cirkus,
> κίρκος, krug, we have to see that hring is the closest to the basic IE
> formation for circle, krug - *hor-gon > hrign > hring > ring. On the
> other side is *gon-bel IE basis which "produced" kolo, wheel, hjul,
> κύκλος (*gon-gon-bel-). If we take in consideration wheel and kolo we'll
> see that the sound /b/ is omitted. We must start with the round form (
> h/oblo 'round, oval, ball, globe, glava, head, OHG houb/l/it), in fact,
> from the round object we are seeing up in the sky - cloud. Also, hobble,
> wobble, kobeljati, kolebati, humpeln, move unpredictably like a stormy cloud in the sky.
>

Cf also the clear derivation of Xyambutla from XOR-BEL-GON basis.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
>
> Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> of how they were discovered?

I've listed it above. There may be others.
Digging and sieving...

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:57:43 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:53:39 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > My base starts not with a linguistic textbook, nor with a senior
> > mentor, but with ancient apes sleeping in arboreal woven bowl
> > nests, and some of their descendants, the hominin branch, moving
> > to the ground by inverting the bowl nest into a domeshield where
> > they slept, and Homo evolving from that into human camps of thin-
> > walled dome huts of wicker (big portable baskets) and shingled with
> > broad leaves, which they likely developed and shared a name for,
> > and whose name did not disappear like an echo from the past, but
> > rather remains inherently hidden in almost every word in every language
> > today, simply because it was and remains absolutely necessary for
> > the survival of the human species, like air, water, food, but unique
> > because it was an artificial physical construct in nature.
> My, what a long sentence that was. Modern apes do not emit
> vocalizations like or equivalent to your paleo-keywords. What
> is your evidence that ancient apes did?

Long enough, didn't want to overdo it.
Modern great apes have further specialized for rainforest canopy living and 4-limbed knucklewalking over open exposed land for safer transit, human ancestors split before that (never knucklewalked, always slept in covered shelters). Gibbon pair bonds daily sing together, geladas have laryngeal warbling similar to human speech, vervet monkeys have various predator-warning calls, humans had these too but never had the laryngeal air sacs common in great apes, siamangs.
Speech came long after the human/chimp split, very gradually expanding.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 10:18:05 AM UTC-4, António Marques wrote:
> Dušan Vukotić <dusan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 12:40:19 AM UTC+2, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> >>> On 18/05/2021 1:13 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> >>>>> On 17/05/2021 4:35 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 17/05/2021 12:17 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >
> > In order to follow the process of branching of words hring, cirkus,
> > κίρκος, krug, we have to see that hring is the closest to the basic IE
> > formation for circle, krug - *hor-gon > hrign > hring > ring. On the
> > other side is *gon-bel IE basis which "produced" kolo, wheel, hjul,
> > κύκλος (*gon-gon-bel-). If we take in consideration wheel and kolo we'll
> > see that the sound /b/ is omitted. We must start with the round form (
> > h/oblo 'round, oval, ball, globe, glava, head, OHG houb/l/it), in fact,
> > from the round object we are seeing up in the sky - cloud. Also, hobble,
> > wobble, kobeljati, kolebati, humpeln, move unpredictably like a stormy cloud in the sky.
> >
> Cf also the clear derivation of Xyambutla from XOR-BEL-GON basis.

Perhaps, but I have doubts on that.

More likely, compare *hor-gon@IE: circular, to harigolu@Indic: coracle [I don't recall if 'Indic' is Tamil or Sanskrit, but in Hindi coracle is topa, which is similar to teba@ Hebrew: basket-ark, which parallels kufa@Arabic: coracle, which is similar to kuphos@Grk: cup, coracle of Herakles. From this I claim the old word for coracle was ku(p)harigolu, cf cooper: barrel ring maker, curragh, co(h)racle, kom@ODut: bowl; quaff, etc.

I don't know about gon-bel, but wombelle womb belly is bowl & bell form.
More digging and sieving is required.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:56 PM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 10:18:05 AM UTC-4, António Marques wrote:
> > Dušan Vukotić <dusan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 12:40:19 AM UTC+2, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:18:46 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > >>> On 18/05/2021 1:13 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > >>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > >>>>> On 17/05/2021 4:35 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 17/05/2021 12:17 a.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > >
> > > In order to follow the process of branching of words hring, cirkus,
> > > κίρκος, krug, we have to see that hring is the closest to the basic IE
> > > formation for circle, krug - *hor-gon > hrign > hring > ring. On the
> > > other side is *gon-bel IE basis which "produced" kolo, wheel, hjul,
> > > κύκλος (*gon-gon-bel-). If we take in consideration wheel and kolo we'll
> > > see that the sound /b/ is omitted. We must start with the round form (
> > > h/oblo 'round, oval, ball, globe, glava, head, OHG houb/l/it), in fact,
> > > from the round object we are seeing up in the sky - cloud. Also, hobble,
> > > wobble, kobeljati, kolebati, humpeln, move unpredictably like a stormy cloud in the sky.
> > >
> > Cf also the clear derivation of Xyambutla from XOR-BEL-GON basis.
> Perhaps, but I have doubts on that.
>
> More likely, compare *hor-gon@IE: circular, to harigolu@Indic: coracle [I don't recall if 'Indic' is Tamil or Sanskrit, but in Hindi coracle is topa, which is similar to teba@ Hebrew: basket-ark, which parallels kufa@Arabic: coracle, which is similar to kuphos@Grk: cup, coracle of Herakles. From this I claim the old word for coracle was ku(p)harigolu, cf cooper: barrel ring maker, curragh, co(h)racle, kom@ODut: bowl; quaff, etc.
>
> I don't know about gon-bel, but wombelle womb belly is bowl & bell form.
> More digging and sieving is required.

Coracle local names in India
Parisal, parical – Tamil
Teppa or harigolu – Kannada
Putti - Telugu
Kutta vanchi - Malayalam

Iraqi coracles, called quffa or kuphar (Arabic: قفة), have been used as ferries, lighters, fishing vessels, and water taxis on the Tigris and Euphrates rivers since at least the 9th century BC.[32]
Etymology
The word "kuphar" is derived from the Arabic word quffa (قفة), meaning a basket woven from reeds and leaves. The boat visually resembles a basket and is used for a similar purpose: transporting fruits, vegetables, and other goods.[4] The Arabic word in turn originated from the Akkadian word quppu, meaning basket
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuphar
The biblical words for Moses' & Noah's arks was teba/tevya and gophar-wood.
kuphar/gophar ~ cover
Teba/topa top/roof (inverted for coracle)
Attap@Mly: palm-frond thatched roof/walls
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attap_dwelling
Though attap dwellings are rectified/square, they descend from round huts.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:06:59 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:57:43 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:53:39 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > My base starts not with a linguistic textbook, nor with a senior
> > > mentor, but with ancient apes sleeping in arboreal woven bowl
> > > nests, and some of their descendants, the hominin branch, moving
> > > to the ground by inverting the bowl nest into a domeshield where
> > > they slept, and Homo evolving from that into human camps of thin-
> > > walled dome huts of wicker (big portable baskets) and shingled with
> > > broad leaves, which they likely developed and shared a name for,
> > > and whose name did not disappear like an echo from the past, but
> > > rather remains inherently hidden in almost every word in every language
> > > today, simply because it was and remains absolutely necessary for
> > > the survival of the human species, like air, water, food, but unique
> > > because it was an artificial physical construct in nature.
> > My, what a long sentence that was. Modern apes do not emit
> > vocalizations like or equivalent to your paleo-keywords. What
> > is your evidence that ancient apes did?
> Long enough, didn't want to overdo it.
> Modern great apes have further specialized for rainforest canopy living and 4-limbed knucklewalking over open exposed land for safer transit, human ancestors split before that (never knucklewalked, always slept in covered shelters). Gibbon pair bonds daily sing together, geladas have laryngeal warbling similar to human speech, vervet monkeys have various predator-warning calls, humans had these too but never had the laryngeal air sacs common in great apes, siamangs.
> Speech came long after the human/chimp split, very gradually expanding.

To be more focused:

"My base [for, presumably, investigating paleo-keywords, since that
was the topic] starts not with ..." (and then paleo-keywords were
not mentioned).

What is your evidence that ancient apes emitted paleo-keywords?

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:

> > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
>
> Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> of how they were discovered?

You seem to have overlooked this query.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> > > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
> >
> > Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> > of how they were discovered?
> You seem to have overlooked this query.

I responded thusly:
I've listed it above. There may be others.

Paleo-keyword(s): xyuambuatlachya (arid)/njuambuangdualua (humid).

I have not attempted to identify others as such, that is not my goal, although it may become one in future.
I have not attempted to identify the actual specific words used by human ancestors 50ka or 500ka or 5ma.
I have attempted to determine patterns in human ancestor communication, including corresponding associations with ecology, architecture, societal formation, laryngeal vocalization, genetic differentiation from arboreal apes, geography, recent historical language dialect divergences, etc.
Quantifying keywords holds no interest to me.

Wed, 19 May 2021 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
>> > > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
>> >
>> > Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
>> > of how they were discovered?
>> You seem to have overlooked this query.
>
>I responded thusly:
>I've listed it above. There may be others.
>
>Paleo-keyword(s): xyuambuatlachya (arid)/njuambuangdualua (humid).
>
>I have not attempted to identify others as such, that is not my goal, although it may become one in future.
>I have not attempted to identify the actual specific words used by human ancestors 50ka or 500ka or 5ma.
>I have attempted to determine patterns in human ancestor communication, including corresponding
>associations with ecology, architecture, societal formation, laryngeal vocalization, genetic differentiation
>from arboreal apes, geography, recent historical language dialect divergences, etc.

In other words, you are playing the game of folk etymology. It can be
amusing to the ignorant at times, but it is totally useless, and it
holds no scientific value or usefulness whatsoever.

The question remains, why do it here? Why not in a pub, a family
environment, a whatsapp group with like minds? Like when people play
Scabble or Wordfeud.

>Quantifying keywords holds no interest to me.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:57:09 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> > > > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. ..
> > >
> > > Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> > > of how they were discovered?
> > You seem to have overlooked this query.
>
> I responded thusly:
> I've listed it above. There may be others.

You did not answer either question. Whenever you do one of those
miscellaneous agglomerations, you follow it with some long string
of letters beginning with xy. You have never explained what those
are or how you arrive at them.

The etymologists whom you so deprecate always provide the evidence
and the argumentation that led them to their proposals.

If one is attempting to do "science," that is how one proceeds.

> Paleo-keyword(s): xyuambuatlachya (arid)/njuambuangdualua (humid).
>
> I have not attempted to identify others as such, that is not my goal, although it may become one in future.
> I have not attempted to identify the actual specific words used by human ancestors 50ka or 500ka or 5ma.

Then what are all those things that begin with "xy" (and now one with "nj")?

> I have attempted to determine patterns in human ancestor communication, including corresponding associations with ecology, architecture, societal formation, laryngeal vocalization, genetic differentiation from arboreal apes, geography, recent historical language dialect divergences, etc.
> Quantifying keywords holds no interest to me.

So you really do make everything up as you go along. That's
what it looks like, and apparently that's what it actually is.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:28:59 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:06:59 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:57:43 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 7:53:39 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > My base starts not with a linguistic textbook, nor with a senior
> > > > mentor, but with ancient apes sleeping in arboreal woven bowl
> > > > nests, and some of their descendants, the hominin branch, moving
> > > > to the ground by inverting the bowl nest into a domeshield where
> > > > they slept, and Homo evolving from that into human camps of thin-
> > > > walled dome huts of wicker (big portable baskets) and shingled with
> > > > broad leaves, which they likely developed and shared a name for,
> > > > and whose name did not disappear like an echo from the past, but
> > > > rather remains inherently hidden in almost every word in every language
> > > > today, simply because it was and remains absolutely necessary for
> > > > the survival of the human species, like air, water, food, but unique
> > > > because it was an artificial physical construct in nature.
> > > My, what a long sentence that was. Modern apes do not emit
> > > vocalizations like or equivalent to your paleo-keywords. What
> > > is your evidence that ancient apes did?
> > Long enough, didn't want to overdo it.
> > Modern great apes have further specialized for rainforest canopy living and 4-limbed knucklewalking over open exposed land for safer transit, human ancestors split before that (never knucklewalked, always slept in covered shelters). Gibbon pair bonds daily sing together, geladas have laryngeal warbling similar to human speech, vervet monkeys have various predator-warning calls, humans had these too but never had the laryngeal air sacs common in great apes, siamangs.
> > Speech came long after the human/chimp split, very gradually expanding.
> To be more focused:
>
> "My base [for, presumably, investigating paleo-keywords, since that
> was the topic] starts not with ..." (and then paleo-keywords were
> not mentioned).
>
> What is your evidence that ancient apes emitted paleo-keywords?
Not my claim.
Conversational speech (recognizably distinct from: ape hoots, ape 2-way (inhaled + exhaled) laughter, gestural communication obligatorily combined with vocalizations) came after the human/chimp split (genetically 46 chromosome vs ape 48, architecturally forest floor domeshields vs arboreal bowl nests). The Homo lineage had established thin-walled domeshields in temporary ring camps around escape trees (youngsters climbed up, adults stayed en masse with shields & sharp sticks) would conversational-informational speech begin to be advantageously selected for, and ape long calls via laryngeal air sacs (useful in canopy foliage) would have no value, could the paleo-keywords have plausibly be first used, though there may have been a long period before xyuambuatlachyah/njuambuangdualua evolved. The keyword(s) appear to be among the oldest *compound* words. There may have been others which went extinct. There may have been a million year monosyllabic predecessor. Many possible scenarios can be hypothesized, I have gone with what I deem the most parsimonious.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:06:43 PM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Wed, 19 May 2021 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:

> >> > > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> >> > > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
> >> > Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> >> > of how they were discovered?
> >> You seem to have overlooked this query.
> >I responded thusly:
> >I've listed it above. There may be others.
> >Paleo-keyword(s): xyuambuatlachya (arid)/njuambuangdualua (humid).
> >I have not attempted to identify others as such, that is not my goal, although it may become one in future.
> >I have not attempted to identify the actual specific words used by human ancestors 50ka or 500ka or 5ma.
> >I have attempted to determine patterns in human ancestor communication, including corresponding
> >associations with ecology, architecture, societal formation, laryngeal vocalization, genetic differentiation
> >from arboreal apes, geography, recent historical language dialect divergences, etc.
>
> In other words, you are playing the game of folk etymology. It can be

Not even that. Folk etymologies deal in making unfamiliar
things look familiar.

> amusing to the ignorant at times, but it is totally useless, and it
> holds no scientific value or usefulness whatsoever.
>
> The question remains, why do it here? Why not in a pub, a family
> environment, a whatsapp group with like minds? Like when people play
> Scabble or Wordfeud.
> >Quantifying keywords holds no interest to me.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:06:43 PM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Wed, 19 May 2021 08:57:07 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> >> > > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
> >> >
> >> > Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> >> > of how they were discovered?
> >> You seem to have overlooked this query.
> >
> >I responded thusly:
> >I've listed it above. There may be others.
> >
> >Paleo-keyword(s): xyuambuatlachya (arid)/njuambuangdualua (humid).
> >
> >I have not attempted to identify others as such, that is not my goal, although it may become one in future.
> >I have not attempted to identify the actual specific words used by human ancestors 50ka or 500ka or 5ma.
> >I have attempted to determine patterns in human ancestor communication, including corresponding
> >associations with ecology, architecture, societal formation, laryngeal vocalization, genetic differentiation
> >from arboreal apes, geography, recent historical language dialect divergences, etc.
> In other words, you are playing the game of folk etymology.

:~}

Ruud, you are just too smart for me.

It can be
> amusing to the ignorant at times, but it is totally useless, and it
> holds no scientific value or usefulness whatsoever.
>
> The question remains, why do it here? Why not in a pub, a family
> environment, a whatsapp group with like minds? Like when people play
> Scabble or Wordfeud.
> >Quantifying keywords holds no interest to me.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:41:52 PM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:57:09 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> > > > > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants.. .
> > > >
> > > > Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> > > > of how they were discovered?
> > > You seem to have overlooked this query.
> >
> > I responded thusly:
> > I've listed it above. There may be others.
> You did not answer either question.

Can you ask your questions differently? I answered as I understood.

Whenever you do one of those
> miscellaneous agglomerations, you follow it with some long string
> of letters beginning with xy. You have never explained what those
> are or how you arrive at them.

I have done so many times, but I guess it gets lost in the translation.

> The etymologists whom you so deprecate always provide the evidence
> and the argumentation that led them to their proposals.

That is wonderful, though I don't deprecate etymologists, I just see and note their neo-etymological limitations.

> If one is attempting to do "science," that is how one proceeds.

Please, do not preach science to scientists, there's a good boy.

> > Paleo-keyword(s): xyuambuatlachya (arid)/njuambuangdualua (humid).
> >
> > I have not attempted to identify others as such, that is not my goal, although it may become one in future.
> > I have not attempted to identify the actual specific words used by human ancestors 50ka or 500ka or 5ma.
> Then what are all those things that begin with "xy" (and now one with "nj")?

Paleo-keyword(s).

> > I have attempted to determine patterns in human ancestor communication, including corresponding associations with ecology, architecture, societal formation, laryngeal vocalization, genetic differentiation from arboreal apes, geography, recent historical language dialect divergences, etc.
> > Quantifying keywords holds no interest to me.
> So you really do make everything up as you go along.

:~}

You are too smart, Peter. But you're no Paleo-etymologist.

That's
> what it looks like, and apparently that's what it actually is.

What it looks like holds no interest to me. What does it sound like?
Listen, don't look. We're not arboreal apes, we talk through walls (and even vacuums!).

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 1:00:58 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:41:52 PM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:57:09 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> > > > > > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
> > > > >
> > > > > Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> > > > > of how they were discovered?
> > > > You seem to have overlooked this query.
> > >
> > > I responded thusly:
> > > I've listed it above. There may be others.
> > You did not answer either question.
> Can you ask your questions differently? I answered as I understood.
> Whenever you do one of those
> > miscellaneous agglomerations, you follow it with some long string
> > of letters beginning with xy. You have never explained what those
> > are or how you arrive at them.
> I have done so many times, but I guess it gets lost in the translation.

No. You label them "paleo-keyword." That is merely a label. You do not
explain how they are arrived at.

> > The etymologists whom you so deprecate always provide the evidence
> > and the argumentation that led them to their proposals.
>
> That is wonderful, though I don't deprecate etymologists, I just see and note their neo-etymological limitations.
>
> > If one is attempting to do "science," that is how one proceeds.
>
> Please, do not preach science to scientists, there's a good boy.

I am explaining it to you, not to any scientists who may be tuned in.

> > > Paleo-keyword(s): xyuambuatlachya (arid)/njuambuangdualua (humid).
> > > I have not attempted to identify others as such, that is not my goal, although it may become one in future.
> > > I have not attempted to identify the actual specific words used by human ancestors 50ka or 500ka or 5ma.
> > Then what are all those things that begin with "xy" (and now one with "nj")?
>
> Paleo-keyword(s).

How were they arrived at?

> > > I have attempted to determine patterns in human ancestor communication, including corresponding associations with ecology, architecture, societal formation, laryngeal vocalization, genetic differentiation from arboreal apes, geography, recent historical language dialect divergences, etc.
> > > Quantifying keywords holds no interest to me.
> > So you really do make everything up as you go along.
>
> :~}
>
> You are too smart, Peter. But you're no Paleo-etymologist.

I certainly am not.

> > That's
> > what it looks like, and apparently that's what it actually is.
>
> What it looks like holds no interest to me. What does it sound like?
> Listen, don't look. We're not arboreal apes, we talk through walls (and even vacuums!).

What do you think it sounds like? You haven't offered any hints of
how to pronounce those things that start with xy-.

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 2:46:41 PM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 1:00:58 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:41:52 PM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:57:09 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> > > > > > > xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> > > > > > of how they were discovered?
> > > > > You seem to have overlooked this query.
> > > >
> > > > I responded thusly:
> > > > I've listed it above. There may be others.
> > > You did not answer either question.
> > Can you ask your questions differently? I answered as I understood.
> > Whenever you do one of those
> > > miscellaneous agglomerations, you follow it with some long string
> > > of letters beginning with xy. You have never explained what those
> > > are or how you arrive at them.
> > I have done so many times, but I guess it gets lost in the translation.
> No. You label them "paleo-keyword." That is merely a label. You do not
> explain how they are arrived at.
> > > The etymologists whom you so deprecate always provide the evidence
> > > and the argumentation that led them to their proposals.
> >
> > That is wonderful, though I don't deprecate etymologists, I just see and note their neo-etymological limitations.
> >
> > > If one is attempting to do "science," that is how one proceeds.
> >
> > Please, do not preach science to scientists, there's a good boy.
> I am explaining it to you, not to any scientists who may be tuned in.
> > > > Paleo-keyword(s): xyuambuatlachya (arid)/njuambuangdualua (humid).
> > > > I have not attempted to identify others as such, that is not my goal, although it may become one in future.
> > > > I have not attempted to identify the actual specific words used by human ancestors 50ka or 500ka or 5ma.
> > > Then what are all those things that begin with "xy" (and now one with "nj")?
> >
> > Paleo-keyword(s).
> How were they arrived at?
> > > > I have attempted to determine patterns in human ancestor communication, including corresponding associations with ecology, architecture, societal formation, laryngeal vocalization, genetic differentiation from arboreal apes, geography, recent historical language dialect divergences, etc.
> > > > Quantifying keywords holds no interest to me.
> > > So you really do make everything up as you go along.
> >
> > :~}
> >
> > You are too smart, Peter. But you're no Paleo-etymologist.
> I certainly am not.
> > > That's
> > > what it looks like, and apparently that's what it actually is.
> >
> > What it looks like holds no interest to me. What does it sound like?
> > Listen, don't look. We're not arboreal apes, we talk through walls (and even vacuums!).
> What do you think it sounds like? You haven't offered any hints of
> how to pronounce those things that start with xy-.

:~}

You are preaching.

Wrong ballpark, wrong game, wrong team.

On 2021-05-19 11:00, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:41:52 PM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:57:09 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
>>>>>> xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
>>>>> of how they were discovered?
>>>> You seem to have overlooked this query.
>>>
>>> I responded thusly:
>>> I've listed it above. There may be others.
>> You did not answer either question.
>
> Can you ask your questions differently? I answered as I understood.

Maybe this will help.

I recently met another person claiming to be a paleo-etymologist[*],
only they assure me that the paleo-keyword for 'arid' was not
'xyuambuatlachya' but rather [quːbməʔpɨtmagagazips̩ːːːːːːːtɬuɪ̯] and
that the paleo-keyword for humid was simply [ʙ̩] (a syllabic trill much
like the one not found in modern Faroese).

They assure me that they arrived at these through copious compilation of
word lists combined with extensive pareidoliological, apopheniological
and ompthaloscopic investigation.

What evidence can you offer that your hypothesized key-words should be
favoured over hers?

André

[*] She prefers the term 'archaeolexicologist', insisting that only
poseurs and charlatans refer to themselves as paleo-etymologists.

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On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 1:39:51 AM UTC-4, Ymir wrote:
> On 2021-05-19 11:00, Daud Deden wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 12:41:52 PM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 11:57:09 AM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 6:40:19 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> I have never referred to sny 'big mother words, only paleo-keywords (arid)
> >>>>>> xyuambuatlachya and (humid) njuambuangdualua and dialect variants. .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where is your unabridged lexicon of all the "paleo-keywords," with explanation
> >>>>> of how they were discovered?
> >>>> You seem to have overlooked this query.
> >>>
> >>> I responded thusly:
> >>> I've listed it above. There may be others.
> >> You did not answer either question.
> >
> > Can you ask your questions differently? I answered as I understood.
> Maybe this will help.
>
> I recently met another person claiming to be a paleo-etymologist[*],
> only they assure me that the paleo-keyword for 'arid' was not
> 'xyuambuatlachya' but rather [quːbməʔpɨtmagagazips̩ːːːːːːːtɬuɪ̯] and
> that the paleo-keyword for humid was simply [ʙ̩] (a syllabic trill much
> like the one not found in modern Faroese).
>
> They assure me that they arrived at these through copious compilation of
> word lists combined with extensive pareidoliological, apopheniological
> and ompthaloscopic investigation.
>
> What evidence can you offer that your hypothesized key-words should be
> favoured over hers?
>
> André
>
>
> [*] She prefers the term 'archaeolexicologist', insisting that only
> poseurs and charlatans refer to themselves as paleo-etymologists.
>
> --
> To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail
> service.
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