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* Re: Ukrainians don't want peaceEddy Lee
`* Re: Ukrainians don't want peaceJohn Larkin
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 `- Re: Ukrainians don't want peaceJoe Gwinn

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 by: Eddy Lee - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 14:41 UTC

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:08:53 AM UTC-7, Fredxx wrote:
> On 06/09/2023 09:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> > On 06/09/2023 02:14, Jasen Betts wrote:
> >> On 2023-09-05, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>> On 05/09/2023 14:39, Fredxx wrote:
> >>>> On 02/09/2023 07:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>>>> On 01/09/2023 20:33, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >>>>>>> I can't find it now, didn't someone say in here America was using
> >>>>>>> illegal weapons against Russia? Ones that kill 5 people instead of
> >>>>>>> 4? These Geneva conventions really are stupid.
> >>>>>> Yeah, cluster bombs. Terrible idea to use them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. America isn't using anything against Russia., America is not
> >>>>> fighting a war against Russia.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then you can't see beyond the end of your nose. The US and Europe is
> >>>> getting Ukraine to fight against Russia on their behalf using and
> >>>> testing western munitions. Encouraging them to join NATO created the
> >>>> war.
> >>>>
> >>> No, it didn't. They wanted to join NATO because Russia had already
> >>> annexed Crimea and part of the Donbas.
> >>
> >> having disputed territory makes them inelligible to join NATO.
> >>
> > Exactly. So Russia took the opportunity to ensure they had even more.
> The dispute goes back decades. The Ukrainian borders were setup without
> a thought and never expected the two countries to became truly independent.

Crimea perhaps, but not the rest of the occupied land. RU gifted it to UA, but now having second thought. RU wants more land because Crimea is not sustainable without UA resources (water, electricity and transport).

Do they want Alaska back also? RU made a mistake selling it.

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 by: John Larkin - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:42 UTC

On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 07:41:22 -0700 (PDT), Eddy Lee
<eddy711lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:08:53?AM UTC-7, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 06/09/2023 09:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> > On 06/09/2023 02:14, Jasen Betts wrote:
>> >> On 2023-09-05, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >>> On 05/09/2023 14:39, Fredxx wrote:
>> >>>> On 02/09/2023 07:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> >>>>> On 01/09/2023 20:33, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I can't find it now, didn't someone say in here America was using
>> >>>>>>> illegal weapons against Russia? Ones that kill 5 people instead of
>> >>>>>>> 4? These Geneva conventions really are stupid.
>> >>>>>> Yeah, cluster bombs. Terrible idea to use them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1. America isn't using anything against Russia., America is not
>> >>>>> fighting a war against Russia.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Then you can't see beyond the end of your nose. The US and Europe is
>> >>>> getting Ukraine to fight against Russia on their behalf using and
>> >>>> testing western munitions. Encouraging them to join NATO created the
>> >>>> war.
>> >>>>
>> >>> No, it didn't. They wanted to join NATO because Russia had already
>> >>> annexed Crimea and part of the Donbas.
>> >>
>> >> having disputed territory makes them inelligible to join NATO.
>> >>
>> > Exactly. So Russia took the opportunity to ensure they had even more.
>> The dispute goes back decades. The Ukrainian borders were setup without
>> a thought and never expected the two countries to became truly independent.
>
>Crimea perhaps, but not the rest of the occupied land. RU gifted it to UA, but now having second thought. RU wants more land because Crimea is not sustainable without UA resources (water, electricity and transport).
>
>Do they want Alaska back also? RU made a mistake selling it.

Did Russia "own" Alaska?

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 by: Lasse Langwadt Chris - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:51 UTC

onsdag den 6. september 2023 kl. 18.42.58 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 07:41:22 -0700 (PDT), Eddy Lee
> <eddy7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:08:53?AM UTC-7, Fredxx wrote:
> >> On 06/09/2023 09:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> > On 06/09/2023 02:14, Jasen Betts wrote:
> >> >> On 2023-09-05, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>> On 05/09/2023 14:39, Fredxx wrote:
> >> >>>> On 02/09/2023 07:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> >>>>> On 01/09/2023 20:33, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> I can't find it now, didn't someone say in here America was using
> >> >>>>>>> illegal weapons against Russia? Ones that kill 5 people instead of
> >> >>>>>>> 4? These Geneva conventions really are stupid.
> >> >>>>>> Yeah, cluster bombs. Terrible idea to use them.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 1. America isn't using anything against Russia., America is not
> >> >>>>> fighting a war against Russia.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Then you can't see beyond the end of your nose. The US and Europe is
> >> >>>> getting Ukraine to fight against Russia on their behalf using and
> >> >>>> testing western munitions. Encouraging them to join NATO created the
> >> >>>> war.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> No, it didn't. They wanted to join NATO because Russia had already
> >> >>> annexed Crimea and part of the Donbas.
> >> >>
> >> >> having disputed territory makes them inelligible to join NATO.
> >> >>
> >> > Exactly. So Russia took the opportunity to ensure they had even more.
> >> The dispute goes back decades. The Ukrainian borders were setup without
> >> a thought and never expected the two countries to became truly independent.
> >
> >Crimea perhaps, but not the rest of the occupied land. RU gifted it to UA, but now having second thought. RU wants more land because Crimea is not sustainable without UA resources (water, electricity and transport).
> >
> >Do they want Alaska back also? RU made a mistake selling it.
> Did Russia "own" Alaska?

the US must have thought so since they paid the Russian empire ~$7mill for it

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 by: Joe Gwinn - Wed, 6 Sep 2023 18:13 UTC

On Wed, 06 Sep 2023 09:42:37 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 07:41:22 -0700 (PDT), Eddy Lee
><eddy711lee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 3:08:53?AM UTC-7, Fredxx wrote:
>>> On 06/09/2023 09:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> > On 06/09/2023 02:14, Jasen Betts wrote:
>>> >> On 2023-09-05, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> >>> On 05/09/2023 14:39, Fredxx wrote:
>>> >>>> On 02/09/2023 07:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> >>>>> On 01/09/2023 20:33, Cursitor Doom wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> I can't find it now, didn't someone say in here America was using
>>> >>>>>>> illegal weapons against Russia? Ones that kill 5 people instead of
>>> >>>>>>> 4? These Geneva conventions really are stupid.
>>> >>>>>> Yeah, cluster bombs. Terrible idea to use them.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 1. America isn't using anything against Russia., America is not
>>> >>>>> fighting a war against Russia.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Then you can't see beyond the end of your nose. The US and Europe is
>>> >>>> getting Ukraine to fight against Russia on their behalf using and
>>> >>>> testing western munitions. Encouraging them to join NATO created the
>>> >>>> war.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> No, it didn't. They wanted to join NATO because Russia had already
>>> >>> annexed Crimea and part of the Donbas.
>>> >>
>>> >> having disputed territory makes them inelligible to join NATO.
>>> >>
>>> > Exactly. So Russia took the opportunity to ensure they had even more.
>>> The dispute goes back decades. The Ukrainian borders were setup without
>>> a thought and never expected the two countries to became truly independent.
>>
>>Crimea perhaps, but not the rest of the occupied land. RU gifted it to UA, but now having second thought. RU wants more land because Crimea is not sustainable without UA resources (water, electricity and transport).
>>
>>Do they want Alaska back also? RU made a mistake selling it.
>
>Did Russia "own" Alaska?

Yes.

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Purchase>

Joe Gwinn

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