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by: patdolan - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 04:08 UTC

What good is GR if it can't even be used to refute the Big Ben Paradox? Just look at these arm-waving fools

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/what-about-the-big-ben-paradox.1057911/#post-6973546

Not a single explicit numerical calculation that demonstrates the radius of the earth's orbit to be constant for the distant observer.

Here's the back story of this exchange: they took away my ability to respond after the first few exchanges. So I started using the editing function of my question to respond and they even cut that off. Then they sent me an email claiming I was spreading scientific misinformation to justify my cancelation on their platform. They took my constitutional right to free scientific speech! There is no greater proof of the devastating effect that the BBP has achieved over relativity.

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by: Maciej Wozniak - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 05:39 UTC

On Tuesday, 5 December 2023 at 06:16:31 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
> On 12/4/2023 11:08 PM, patdolan wrote:
> > What good is GR if it can't even be used to refute the Big Ben Paradox? Just look at these arm-waving fools
> >
> Once again, your supposed 'paradox' is due to your attempt to mix
> Newtonian physics and SR in the same problem. You need to use GR throughout.

Oppositely, stupid Mike, he needs to ignore
The Shit completely.

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by: patdolan - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 10:05 UTC

On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:16:31 PM UTC-8, Volney wrote:
> On 12/4/2023 11:08 PM, patdolan wrote:
> > What good is GR if it can't even be used to refute the Big Ben Paradox? Just look at these arm-waving fools
> >
> Once again, your supposed 'paradox' is due to your attempt to mix
> Newtonian physics and SR in the same problem. You need to use GR throughout.
Of course I have tried using GR throughout and I still get the same paradox.. Don't believe me? Then try using GR throughout yourself and prove me wrong.

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by: Volney - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 18:02 UTC

On 12/5/2023 5:05 AM, patdolan wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 9:16:31 PM UTC-8, Volney wrote:
>> On 12/4/2023 11:08 PM, patdolan wrote:
>>> What good is GR if it can't even be used to refute the Big Ben Paradox? Just look at these arm-waving fools
>>>
>> Once again, your supposed 'paradox' is due to your attempt to mix
>> Newtonian physics and SR in the same problem. You need to use GR throughout.

> Of course I have tried using GR throughout and I still get the same paradox.
No, you do not. You use Newtonian physics to calculate the period of
earth's orbit in the frame of the observer moving at .867c, not GR.

> Don't believe me? Then try using GR throughout yourself and prove me wrong.

It is your extraordinary claim, it is up to you to prove it correct, not
anyone else to disprove it. And:

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

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by: Paul B. Andersen - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 18:26 UTC

Den 05.12.2023 11:05, skrev patdolan:
>> On 12/4/2023 11:08 PM, patdolan wrote:
>>> What good is GR if it can't even be used to refute the Big Ben Paradox? Just look at these arm-waving fools

> Of course I have tried using GR throughout and I still get the same paradox. Don't believe me?

I believe you.

So which conclusions can we draw from the result
of you attempt to use SR?

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by: patdolan - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 18:50 UTC

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 10:24:11 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 05.12.2023 11:05, skrev patdolan:
> >> On 12/4/2023 11:08 PM, patdolan wrote:
> >>> What good is GR if it can't even be used to refute the Big Ben Paradox? Just look at these arm-waving fools
> > Of course I have tried using GR throughout and I still get the same paradox. Don't believe me?
> I believe you.
>
> So which conclusions can we draw from the result
> of you attempt to use SR?
>
> --
> Paul
>
> https://paulba.no/
You can conclude that I am the only one to have ever investigated the BBP by means of both SR and GR. How? Simple. I state here and now that no member of this forum has, or ever will publish their GR calculations disproving the BBP. Prove me wrong.

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by: Prokaryotic Capase H - Tue, 5 Dec 2023 23:43 UTC

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 12:50:39 PM UTC-6, patdolan wrote:

> You can conclude that I am the only one to have ever investigated the BBP by means of both SR and GR. How? Simple. I state here and now that no member of this forum has, or ever will publish their GR calculations disproving the BBP. Prove me wrong.

Nobody will bother, because the Big Ben "Paradox"
is not a paradox at all, but is an artifact of your
complete ignorance and gross misunderstanding.

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What good is GR if it can't...	patdolan
Re: What good is GR if it can't...	Volney
Re: What good is GR if it can't...	Maciej Wozniak
Re: What good is GR if it can't...	patdolan
Re: What good is GR if it can't...	Volney
Re: What good is GR if it can't...	Paul B. Andersen
Re: What good is GR if it can't...	patdolan
Re: What good is GR if it can't...	Prokaryotic Capase Homolog