I did not change my first bewilderment when I found out that the alleged greatest scientific mind: A. Einstein, based his SR theory on the idea of mingling Time with Space.
To me, intuitively, physical Time does not exit
The misconception about the real nature of Time arise from the confusion of our subjective perception of Time with the duration of physical phenomena, either linear or cyclical.
There are only phenomena that have their duration, as as an associated physical property, and in case of a cyclical phenomenon, if stable enough, it can be used as a reference to compare, properly, all the other phenomena duration.
Time as a physical entity doesn't exist, it is only an emergent abstract concept emerged in our human mind to cope with practical needs.
The duration of many different physical phenomena in a given environmental condition, are affected by the environment in many ways: temperature, pressure, vacuum, gravity, speed, acceleration etc.
Any change whatsoever of the environmental condition will affect the duration of each phenomenon in a different way and in different entity.
The reciprocal ratio between various phenomenon durationIn a given environmental condition, if any of the environmental condition changes, the original ratio between the various different phenomena cannot possibly remain constant.
The alleged SR invariance between different inertial moving frame is impossible, the experimental data are just wishful thinking or manipulation, being the changes of ratio duration, surely of not great entities, are
likely below our ability of detect them, being the very low inertial terrestrial speed the experimental labs can reach.
There is a growing gap between our great technical abilities that generate such complexities in our lives, versus our limited ability to manage them.
SR misconception about the nature of Time has great negative consequences on the collective ability to comprehend our world and be able to cope with it.
Disagreements are welcome
cheers, beda

Beda Pietanza wrote:
>
> I did not change my first bewilderment when I found out that the alleged greatest scientific mind: A. Einstein, based his SR theory on the idea of mingling Time with Space.
> To me, intuitively, physical Time does not exit

physical Space does not exiSt.

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:39:30 AM UTC-8, Beda Pietanza wrote:
> I did not change my first bewilderment when I found out that the alleged greatest scientific mind: A. Einstein, based his SR theory on the idea of mingling Time with Space.
> To me, intuitively, physical Time does not exit
> The misconception about the real nature of Time arise from the confusion of our subjective perception of Time with the duration of physical phenomena, either linear or cyclical.
> There are only phenomena that have their duration, as as an associated physical property, and in case of a cyclical phenomenon, if stable enough, it can be used as a reference to compare, properly, all the other phenomena duration.
> Time as a physical entity doesn't exist, it is only an emergent abstract concept emerged in our human mind to cope with practical needs.
> The duration of many different physical phenomena in a given environmental condition, are affected by the environment in many ways: temperature, pressure, vacuum, gravity, speed, acceleration etc.
> Any change whatsoever of the environmental condition will affect the duration of each phenomenon in a different way and in different entity.
> The reciprocal ratio between various phenomenon durationIn a given environmental condition, if any of the environmental condition changes, the original ratio between the various different phenomena cannot possibly remain constant.
> The alleged SR invariance between different inertial moving frame is impossible, the experimental data are just wishful thinking or manipulation, being the changes of ratio duration, surely of not great entities, are
> likely below our ability of detect them, being the very low inertial terrestrial speed the experimental labs can reach.
> There is a growing gap between our great technical abilities that generate such complexities in our lives, versus our limited ability to manage them..
> SR misconception about the nature of Time has great negative consequences on the collective ability to comprehend our world and be able to cope with it.
> Disagreements are welcome
> cheers, beda

It sounds like Barbour's "timeless", but,
time symmetry's never been falsified,
and, so, it's not a standing physical theory.

That time dilation gets corrected as with length contraction
making space contraction, it's a different thing.

Some usual thought experiments aren't physical,
it's true, but pretty much all the differential-systems in GR
and propagation in QM are still governed by a one "the time".

On 12/12/2023 9:39 AM, Beda Pietanza wrote:

[...]

> There is a growing gap between our great technical abilities that generate such complexities in our lives, versus our limited ability to manage them.
> SR misconception about the nature of Time has great negative consequences on the collective ability to comprehend our world and be able to cope with it.
> Disagreements are welcome
> cheers, beda

Forget Einstein and any ideas about relativity, they are well beyond
your depth. Sneakin in a "big name" doesn't help your pseudo quest.

Everyone/everything experiences time and significant definitions do not
exist, still you experience it as such it, whatever time is, exists at
least for the individuals/things that experience it. (find exceptions if
you can.

Get used to the idea that your approach is flawed and nobody with any
sense will engage you on your terms. Using error as a jumping off point
can never lead to anywhere good.

Find some interest that will lead to achievement, otherwise join the
common man who simply experiences life without raising a worthy and
answerable question. This one isn't available to you.

You "gotta know when to,fold em..." Here's your chance.

To everyone else, any bets on his choice between crank vs sensible man?

On 12/12/2023 12:35 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:39:30 AM UTC-8, Beda Pietanza wrote:
>> I did not change my first bewilderment when I found out that the alleged greatest scientific mind: A. Einstein, based his SR theory on the idea of mingling Time with Space.
>> To me, intuitively, physical Time does not exit
>> The misconception about the real nature of Time arise from the confusion of our subjective perception of Time with the duration of physical phenomena, either linear or cyclical.
>> There are only phenomena that have their duration, as as an associated physical property, and in case of a cyclical phenomenon, if stable enough, it can be used as a reference to compare, properly, all the other phenomena duration.
>> Time as a physical entity doesn't exist, it is only an emergent abstract concept emerged in our human mind to cope with practical needs.
>> The duration of many different physical phenomena in a given environmental condition, are affected by the environment in many ways: temperature, pressure, vacuum, gravity, speed, acceleration etc.
>> Any change whatsoever of the environmental condition will affect the duration of each phenomenon in a different way and in different entity.
>> The reciprocal ratio between various phenomenon durationIn a given environmental condition, if any of the environmental condition changes, the original ratio between the various different phenomena cannot possibly remain constant.
>> The alleged SR invariance between different inertial moving frame is impossible, the experimental data are just wishful thinking or manipulation, being the changes of ratio duration, surely of not great entities, are
>> likely below our ability of detect them, being the very low inertial terrestrial speed the experimental labs can reach.
>> There is a growing gap between our great technical abilities that generate such complexities in our lives, versus our limited ability to manage them.
>> SR misconception about the nature of Time has great negative consequences on the collective ability to comprehend our world and be able to cope with it.
>> Disagreements are welcome
>> cheers, beda
>
> It sounds like Barbour's "timeless", but,
> time symmetry's never been falsified,
> and, so, it's not a standing physical theory.
>
> That time dilation gets corrected as with length contraction
> making space contraction, it's a different thing.
>
> Some usual thought experiments aren't physical,
> it's true, but pretty much all the differential-systems in GR
> and propagation in QM are still governed by a one "the time".

....dull...

On Tuesday 12 December 2023 at 22:06:27 UTC+1, whodat wrote:
> On 12/12/2023 9:39 AM, Beda Pietanza wrote:
>
> [...]
> > There is a growing gap between our great technical abilities that generate such complexities in our lives, versus our limited ability to manage them.
> > SR misconception about the nature of Time has great negative consequences on the collective ability to comprehend our world and be able to cope with it.
> > Disagreements are welcome
> > cheers, beda
> Forget Einstein and any ideas about relativity, they are well beyond
> your depth. Sneakin in a "big name" doesn't help your pseudo quest.
>
> Everyone/everything experiences time and significant definitions do not
> exist, still you experience it as such it, whatever time is, exists at
> least for the individuals/things that experience it. (find exceptions if
> you can.

Oh, sure, time exist. And not just one - we have UTC and TAI and
GPS time and zone times. And none of them is similiar to
the one from the delusions of your idiot guru.

Beda Pietanza wrote:

> I did not change my first bewilderment when I found out that the alleged
> greatest scientific mind: A. Einstein, based his SR theory on the idea
> of mingling Time with Space.

not true, he was not at all "greatest". Contrarily, most likely a mediocre
to low. I for instance, would want to get some ideas from his original GR,
but can't find it anywhere in pdf. And for you, women, during the
groceries, this might help.

𝗯𝗮𝗿𝗰𝗼𝗱𝗲_𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝘆_𝗰𝗼𝗱𝗲𝘀,_𝗳𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁_𝗱𝗶𝗴𝗶𝘁𝘀
000 – 019 United States and Canada
020 – 029 Restricted distribution
030 – 039 United States drugs (National Drug Code)
040 – 049 to issue restricted circulation within a geographic region
050 – 059 Reserved for future use
060 – 099 United States and Canada
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200 – 299 Restricted distribution
300 – 379 France and Monaco
380 Bulgaria
383 Slovenia
385 Croatia
387 Bosnia and Herzegovina
389 Montenegro
400 – 440 Germany
450 – 459 Japan
460 – 469 Russia
470 Kyrgyzstan
471 Taiwan
474 Estonia
475 Latvia
476 Azerbaijan
477 Lithuania
478 Uzbekistan
479 Sri Lanka
480 Philippines
481 Belarus
482 Ukraine
484 Moldova
485 Armenia
486 Georgia
487 Kazakhstan
488 Tajikistan
489 Hong Kong
490 – 499 Japan
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520 – 521 Greece
528 Lebanon
529 Cyprus
530 Albania
531 Macedonia
535 Malta
539 Ireland
540 – 549 Belgium and Luxembourg
560 Portugal
569 Iceland
570 – 579 Denmark, Faroe Islands and Greenland
590 Poland
594 Romania
599 Hungary
600 – 601 South Africa
603 Ghana
604 Senegal
608 Bahrain
609 Mauritius
611 Morocco
613 Algeria
615 Nigeria
616 Kenya
618 Côte d’Ivoire
619 Tunisia
621 Syria
622 Egypt
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625 Jordan
626 Iran
627 Kuwait
628 Saudi Arabia
629 United Arab Emirates
640 – 649 Finland
690 – 695 China
700 – 709 Norway
729 Israel
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740 Guatemala
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742 Honduras
743 Nicaragua
744 Costa Rica
745 Panama
746 Dominican Republic
750 Mexico
754 – 755 Canada
759 Venezuela
760 – 769 Switzerland and Liechtenstein
770 – 771 Colombia
773 Uruguay
775 Peru
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779 Argentina
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784 Paraguay
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789 – 790 Brazil
800 – 839 Italy, San Marino and Vatican City
840 – 849 Spain and Andorra
850 Cuba
858 Slovakia
859 Czech Republic
860 Serbia
865 Mongolia
867 North Korea
868 – 869 Turkey
870 – 879 Netherlands
880 South Korea
884 Cambodia
885 Thailand
888 Singapore
890 India
893 Vietnam
896 Pakistan
899 Indonesia
900 – 919 Austria
930 – 939 Australia
940 – 949 New Zealand
950 GS1 Global Office: Special applications
951 EPCglobal: Special applications
955 Malaysia
958 Macau
960 – 969 GS1 Global Office: GTIN-8 allocations
977 Serial publications (ISSN)
978 – 979 Bookland (ISBN) – 979 formerly used for sheet music
980 Refund receipts
981 – 984 GS1 coupon identification for common currency areas
990 – 999 Coupon identification

𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗴_𝗴𝗹𝗼𝗯𝗮𝗹_𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗱𝗲𝗿𝘀_𝗪𝗘𝗙
Emmanuel Macron President of France,
Volodoymr Zelensky President of Ukraine,
Jacinda Ardern, former Prime Minister of New Zealand,
Sanna Marin Prime Minister of Finland,
Alexander De Croo Prime Minister of Belgium,
Leo Varadkar Tánaiste of Ireland,
Annalena Baerbock Foreign Minister of Germany,
Rishi Sunak, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom,
Mark Rutte, Prime Minister of the Netherlands,
Sebastian Kurz, former Chancellor of Austria

Il giorno mercoledì 13 dicembre 2023 alle 00:08:49 UTC+1 Maciej Wozniak ha scritto:
> On Tuesday 12 December 2023 at 22:06:27 UTC+1, whodat wrote:
> > On 12/12/2023 9:39 AM, Beda Pietanza wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > There is a growing gap between our great technical abilities that generate such complexities in our lives, versus our limited ability to manage them.
> > > SR misconception about the nature of Time has great negative consequences on the collective ability to comprehend our world and be able to cope with it.
> > > Disagreements are welcome
> > > cheers, beda
> > Forget Einstein and any ideas about relativity, they are well beyond
> > your depth. Sneakin in a "big name" doesn't help your pseudo quest.
> >
> > Everyone/everything experiences time and significant definitions do not
> > exist, still you experience it as such it, whatever time is, exists at
> > least for the individuals/things that experience it. (find exceptions if
> > you can.
> Oh, sure, time exist. And not just one - we have UTC and TAI and
> GPS time and zone times. And none of them is similiar to
> the one from the delusions of your idiot guru.
beda,
just abstract conceptual tools, not physical entities

On 2023-12-12 15:39:27 +0000, Beda Pietanza said:

> ...
> To me, intuitively, physical Time does not exit
> ...
> The alleged SR invariance between different inertial moving frame is
> impossible,
> ...

> Disagreements are welcome

The universe wehre we live is a disagreement with your opinion.

Mikko

On 13-Dec-23 2:39 am, Beda Pietanza wrote:
> I did not change my first bewilderment when I found out that the
> alleged greatest scientific mind: A. Einstein, based his SR theory on
> the idea of mingling Time with Space.

Well, he didn't. If there's any mingling going on, it's an
interpretation of the resulting theory, not the basis for it.

Sylvia.

On 12/12/2023 9:39 AM, Beda Pietanza wrote:
> I did not change my first bewilderment when I found out that the alleged greatest scientific mind: A. Einstein, based his SR theory on the idea of mingling Time with Space.
> To me, intuitively, physical Time does not exit
> The misconception about the real nature of Time arise from the confusion of our subjective perception of Time with the duration of physical phenomena, either linear or cyclical.
> There are only phenomena that have their duration, as as an associated physical property, and in case of a cyclical phenomenon, if stable enough, it can be used as a reference to compare, properly, all the other phenomena duration.
> Time as a physical entity doesn't exist, it is only an emergent abstract concept emerged in our human mind to cope with practical needs.
> The duration of many different physical phenomena in a given environmental condition, are affected by the environment in many ways: temperature, pressure, vacuum, gravity, speed, acceleration etc.
> Any change whatsoever of the environmental condition will affect the duration of each phenomenon in a different way and in different entity.
> The reciprocal ratio between various phenomenon durationIn a given environmental condition, if any of the environmental condition changes, the original ratio between the various different phenomena cannot possibly remain constant.
> The alleged SR invariance between different inertial moving frame is impossible, the experimental data are just wishful thinking or manipulation, being the changes of ratio duration, surely of not great entities, are
> likely below our ability of detect them, being the very low inertial terrestrial speed the experimental labs can reach.
> There is a growing gap between our great technical abilities that generate such complexities in our lives, versus our limited ability to manage them.
> SR misconception about the nature of Time has great negative consequences on the collective ability to comprehend our world and be able to cope with it.
> Disagreements are welcome
> cheers, beda

The more you write the greater the clarity that you haven't any idea
what it is you're talking about. Time is not an independent entity.
Consider what it is that time measures.