https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends

I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.

(I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>
> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>
> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)

I remember the Apollo mission shows. A bunch of white guys with white shirts, black skinny ties and black
pants sitting behind rows of desks.

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>
> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>
> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)

I'm retired. But I have a very small company of other retired engineers. I usually wear an undershirt and briefs. We meet using Skype. Everyone wears whatever is comfortable. We have been doing this for years. I can't even imagine going back to a strict office environment. We're all well-dressed.

On 9/14/2023 6:32 PM, John Smiht wrote:
> I'm retired. But I have a very small company of other retired engineers. I
> usually wear an undershirt and briefs. We meet using Skype. Everyone wears
> whatever is comfortable. We have been doing this for years. I can't even
> imagine going back to a strict office environment. We're all well-dressed.

I made a point of turning down offers (and clients) from anyone
with a "formal" work attire.

I've worn either a black or white T-shirt and jeans, every day, for
the past 35+ years. I used to commit to wearing the matching
color socks but got tired of having that much "discipline" imposed.

Many years ago, a friend gave me ~40+ of a particularly captioned
T-shirt and ~30+ of yet another design. She presented them to me
"back side first" so I *thought* I was being given solid black
T-shirts -- then laughed when I "discovered" their captions.

I take 7 of ONE style out every other Jan 1st, give them an initial
wash, and wear one of those, each day, until the coming weekend's
laundry, when they all go for a spin. As such, I *appear* to wear
the exact same "outfit" *every* day -- though, in fact, no shirt
sees more than 24 hours of consecutive wear.

[Each shirt is, thus, worn ~100 times over the course of that 2-year
period. An arbitrary number but they seem to hold up well for that
much use.]

I switch to the "other" style when the 2-year period ends.

I've still got many year's supply, on hand! And, no one ever
questions WHAT I will be wearing on any day... Eventually, I
will run out and have to return to the new (plain) black shirts
in my dresser drawers!

For "formal" occasions, I have black dress shirts and slacks.

Ties? What are those?

On a sunny day (Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:32:59 -0700 (PDT)) it happened John Smiht
<utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote in
<d5d36fdd-4edc-4c50-a593-6ff3d9e00e8dn@googlegroups.com>:

>On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 6:31:08 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wr=
>ote:
>> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>>
>> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>>
>> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
>
>I'm retired. But I have a very small company of other retired engineers. I =
>usually wear an undershirt and briefs. We meet using Skype. Everyone wears =
>whatever is comfortable. We have been doing this for years. I can't even im=
>agine going back to a strict office environment. We're all well-dressed.

I remember in the seventies when I showed up at work with jeans....
got some comments... then everybody did it.
Sometimes smelling like cannabis and marijuana.....after those sessions in the evening in my room...
Stopped using drugs and alcohol in the late seventies, never wear a tie.

In message <co57gipcuq14d679dkcpjudhibj1mc6tfd@4ax.com>, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes
>https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>
>I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>
>(I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
>

Harris tweed sports jacket, checked shirt, knitted tie, fair-isle
cardigan , brown corduroy trousers, was the de rigueur Engineer's dress
when I started in 1972. Brown shoes don't make it.

A variation on this .

<https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-axz3gp0dm3/images/stencil/640w/products/
3442/19813/Mens-Harris-Tweed-Jacket-Oat-Brown-MJ72-min__11653.1668073120.
jpg>

Oh and leather elbow pads.

Brian
--
Brian Howie

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:31:08 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>
> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>
> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)

That junk doesn't even rise to the level of 'business casual.' It's just a hodgepodge of casual/party/recreational from retailers who agreed to pay that dumb pseudo-magazine a commission on sales.

Slip-ons are a superior alternative to loafers and they look like shoes- that could be because they are shoes.

There's no excuse for anybody buying organically derived products. That especially includes things like leather, wool, cashmere, camel hair, silk, fur, and innumerable other ancient and barbaric materials. People consider synthetics to be cheap. Well- duh- that's why they were developed: to cost less, far less than the material they were intended to replace. In all cases the synthetics are superior.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:30:51 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

>https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>
>I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>
>(I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)

Hell, I miss shirt pockets.

Why am I the only one in my neighborhood with his shirt
tucked in ?

RL

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:56:15 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:30:51 -0700, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
> >https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
> >
> >I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
> >
> >(I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
> Hell, I miss shirt pockets.

They want you to keep all that stuff in the cargo pants pocket.

>
> Why am I the only one in my neighborhood with his shirt
> tucked in ?

People with a midsection obesity problem look way better, or maybe less bad, with the shirt untucked.

>
> RL

On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 11:55:52 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:30:51 -0700, John Larkin
><jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>>https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>>
>>I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>>
>>(I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
>
>Hell, I miss shirt pockets.
>
>Why am I the only one in my neighborhood with his shirt
>tucked in ?
>
>RL

Pocket tees are great for holding glasses. I'm super nearsighted, a
great adaptation for being an EE, but once in a while I need to see a
whiteboard or something.

On 9/14/2023 6:57 PM, Don Y wrote:
> I've worn either a black or white T-shirt and jeans, every day, for
> the past 35+ years.

I find slacks much more comfortable when sitting for long periods than
blue jeans are, and wearing a shirt with a collar makes my pencil neck
look less pronounced. :-)

Sneakers / trainers paired with slacks is not a great look, and you can
get "dress" shoes nowadays that are just as comfortable as athletic
shoes (plus much more durable) so that's what I wear.

On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:28:36 -0700, Buzz McCool
<buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 9/14/2023 6:57 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> I've worn either a black or white T-shirt and jeans, every day, for
>> the past 35+ years.
>
>I find slacks much more comfortable when sitting for long periods than
>blue jeans are, and wearing a shirt with a collar makes my pencil neck
>look less pronounced. :-)
>
>Sneakers / trainers paired with slacks is not a great look, and you can
>get "dress" shoes nowadays that are just as comfortable as athletic
>shoes (plus much more durable) so that's what I wear.

My commute to work involves some hundreds of vertical feet, so I want
good traction.

Clicking a mouse isn't very aerobic, so I park where, at the end of
the day, I have an uphill trek, whether I feel like it or not.

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>
> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>
> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)

I'm self-employed, so I can wear whatever I like - but occasionally I
have to give a formal talk, so I keep a few smart skirts and tops for
those occasions.

About a year ago I had to give a talk on a technical topic to a more
general audience. I had just bought a black and red layered 'gipsy'
skirt at a car boot sale but the waistband had begun to disintegrate, so
I took it all to pieces, cut off the frayed material and reconstructed a
skirt which looked absolutely stunning but formal when coupled with a
black silky top. I just got it finished the day before the talk.

Afterwards a lady came up to me and said how much she had enjoyed the
talk, even though she didn't understand a lot of it ...but she had spent
most of the time admiring my skirt!

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

On 9/15/2023 9:28 AM, Buzz McCool wrote:
> On 9/14/2023 6:57 PM, Don Y wrote:
>> I've worn either a black or white T-shirt and jeans, every day, for
>> the past 35+ years.
>
> I find slacks much more comfortable when sitting for long periods than blue

Working from home, it's far more comfortable to shed the pants altogether.
I wear jeans when I have to leave the house -- which usually means I
am "upright" and "mobile".

> jeans are, and wearing a shirt with a collar makes my pencil neck look less
> pronounced. :-)

Ah, I don't consider how I look. Why should I let others influence
my behavior? Been a pattern my entire life (e.g., receiving awards
ceremonies dressed virtually the same way -- much to the embarassment
of my folks)

> Sneakers / trainers paired with slacks is not a great look, and you can get
> "dress" shoes nowadays that are just as comfortable as athletic shoes (plus
> much more durable) so that's what I wear.

I have no idea what my shoes would be called. I alternate between
two identical pair (one grey, the other beige). Or, barefoot. Or,
moccasins (that I treat as slippers).

[My feet get "uncomfortable" in any particular shoe after a short
while. And, again, at home, no need to wear a particular foot
covering (unless headed out to pick up mail -- sidewalk is easily
170F+ at that time of day) so I will switch between shoe types
many times during the course of a day.]

Identical replacements for each of the three shoe types sitting
in boxes in my closet (because shopping for shoes is another colossal
waste of time).

On 9/15/2023 8:55 AM, legg wrote:
> Hell, I miss shirt pockets.

Helpful for smokers but I don't carry anything around
(besides wallet and keyfob when away from home) so can't
see much need. I keep a pair of eyeglasses in the car (for
driving) and +1.0 readers in hard cases at each workstation
as the markings on components are getting harder to read
at arm's length. But, none needed for most cases.

In office, I have purchased lots of glass (drinking) glasses
that are convenient places to leave things (like pens,
xacto knives, pot-tweekers, lead holders, etc.). Recently
found some votive (tea?) candle holders that are ideal for
small parts (flared upper edge makes it easy to scrape the
parts out with fingertips).

At 4/$1 it made sense to buy a score of them and scatter
them around my workstations. (unfortunately, they don't
stack, well, as that wouldn't be a likely method of
deployment when filled with candles!)

[sadly, they do nothing to help me remember WHERE each
set of small parts originated! :< ]

> Why am I the only one in my neighborhood with his shirt
> tucked in ?

Mother hounded me about that growing up (and, don't rock
on the back legs of the chair). So, I delight in not
having my shirt tucked in (less of an issue wearing T's)
AND rocking back on the chair legs (it's MY chair so
any alleged damage to it will be mine to bear).

On 9/15/2023 11:20 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> About a year ago I had to give a talk on a technical topic to a more
> general audience. I had just bought a black and red layered 'gipsy'
> skirt at a car boot sale but the waistband had begun to disintegrate, so
> I took it all to pieces, cut off the frayed material and reconstructed a
> skirt which looked absolutely stunning but formal when coupled with a
> black silky top. I just got it finished the day before the talk.

I've been wanting to make a pair of elephant flares (male cut).
I always found them fun to wear -- esp when I was wearing boots
all the time (it made it easier to gain access to the contents of
my boots -- "oversized pockets"!). With patch pockets (sized a
bit larger to better accommodate my current wallet)

But, this never seems to percolate to the top of my ToDo list.

I figure if I wait long enough, they'll be back in style
and I can just BUY a pair!

> Afterwards a lady came up to me and said how much she had enjoyed the
> talk, even though she didn't understand a lot of it ...but she had spent
> most of the time admiring my skirt!

I've thrice had folks approach me in stores wanting to take a picture
of my (different each time) T-shirts.

"Huh? F*ck off!"

Is there some reason you need photographic PROOF of what
you saw? Can't you just TELL <whoever> what you saw??

On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:18:33 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

>On 9/15/2023 8:55 AM, legg wrote:
>> Hell, I miss shirt pockets.
>
>Helpful for smokers but I don't carry anything around
>(besides wallet and keyfob when away from home) so can't
>see much need. I keep a pair of eyeglasses in the car (for
>driving) and +1.0 readers in hard cases at each workstation
>as the markings on components are getting harder to read
>at arm's length. But, none needed for most cases.
>
>In office, I have purchased lots of glass (drinking) glasses
>that are convenient places to leave things (like pens,
>xacto knives, pot-tweekers, lead holders, etc.). Recently
>found some votive (tea?) candle holders that are ideal for
>small parts (flared upper edge makes it easy to scrape the
>parts out with fingertips).

Beakers!

On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 19:20:24 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

>John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>>
>> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>>
>> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
>
>I'm self-employed, so I can wear whatever I like - but occasionally I
>have to give a formal talk, so I keep a few smart skirts and tops for
>those occasions.
>
>About a year ago I had to give a talk on a technical topic to a more
>general audience. I had just bought a black and red layered 'gipsy'
>skirt at a car boot sale but the waistband had begun to disintegrate, so
>I took it all to pieces, cut off the frayed material and reconstructed a
>skirt which looked absolutely stunning but formal when coupled with a
>black silky top. I just got it finished the day before the talk.
>
>Afterwards a lady came up to me and said how much she had enjoyed the
>talk, even though she didn't understand a lot of it ...but she had spent
>most of the time admiring my skirt!

My preferred look is "invisible."

On 9/15/2023 11:55 AM, legg wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:30:51 -0700, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>>
>> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>>
>> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
>
> Hell, I miss shirt pockets.
>
> Why am I the only one in my neighborhood with his shirt
> tucked in ?
>
> RL

Gotta have tees with pocket for the gym to hold the
mp3 player.

Ed

On 9/15/23 8:55 AM, legg wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:30:51 -0700, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>>
>> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>>
>> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
>
> Hell, I miss shirt pockets.
>

Regular dress shirts, lumberjack shirts and even the Carharrt T-shirts
still have them.

Most T-shirts don't so I now prefer carpenter shorts and jeans because a
pair of glasses nicely slips into the longer right tool pocket. So well
that I never even lost one during lengthy and rough mountain bike rides.

> Why am I the only one in my neighborhood with his shirt
> tucked in ?
>

If I wear a dress shirt (which is rare nowadays) it's always tucked in.
T-shirts not, of course.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 9/15/2023 2:32 PM, ehsjr wrote:

> Gotta have tees with pocket for the gym to hold the
> mp3 player.

I used to wear an iPod Shuffle clipped to my neckline while
walking:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Shuffle#/media/File:IPod_Shuffle_4G.svg>

No display -- no need! Load with appropriate content and just
hit PLAY/PAUSE, as appropriate.

When the battery died, I switched to a Network Walkman -- but it
was a bit too bulky to hang off neckline. But, it fit
comfortably in a closed fist:

<https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/msnbc/Components/Photos/050308/050308_sonymusic_hmed_6a.jpg>

Now, I put an old cell phone in a back pocket (has a display but no
need to SEE it!) and use earbuds as wired would be too long for
that stretch.

(Unfortunately, my earbuds aren't noticeable so folks often try
to chat with me as I pass)

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 3:43:47 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 19:20:24 +0100, l...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> >John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
> >>
> >> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
> >>
> >> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
> >
> >I'm self-employed, so I can wear whatever I like - but occasionally I
> >have to give a formal talk, so I keep a few smart skirts and tops for
> >those occasions.
> >
> >About a year ago I had to give a talk on a technical topic to a more
> >general audience. I had just bought a black and red layered 'gipsy'
> >skirt at a car boot sale but the waistband had begun to disintegrate, so
> >I took it all to pieces, cut off the frayed material and reconstructed a
> >skirt which looked absolutely stunning but formal when coupled with a
> >black silky top. I just got it finished the day before the talk.
> >
> >Afterwards a lady came up to me and said how much she had enjoyed the
> >talk, even though she didn't understand a lot of it ...but she had spent
> >most of the time admiring my skirt!
> My preferred look is "invisible."

My preferred appearance is whatever it happens to be. I dress for my own comfort... I don't have to look at me and I don't care what you think.

On 2023/09/15 8:55 a.m., legg wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:30:51 -0700, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
>>
>> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
>>
>> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
>
> Hell, I miss shirt pockets.
>
> Why am I the only one in my neighborhood with his shirt
> tucked in ?
>
> RL

My wife only buys shirts that have a pocket for me - so they do exist
(at least here in Canada) - I have a closet with twenty or so that get
updated from time to time. I always have a pen and sharpie in the
pocket, glasses sometimes, phone sometimes...

My wife likes shopping for clothes and I loath it, and I like fixing
stuff around the house and she doesn't - it works for us.

John :-#)#

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 19:20:24 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
> (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
>
> >John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.insidehook.com/article/style/fall-style-trends
> >>
> >> I kinda miss the white shirts and skinny ties and pocket protectors.
> >>
> >> (I'm wearing sweats and slippers at work today, but I have an excuse.)
> >
> >I'm self-employed, so I can wear whatever I like - but occasionally I
> >have to give a formal talk, so I keep a few smart skirts and tops for
> >those occasions.
> >
> >About a year ago I had to give a talk on a technical topic to a more
> >general audience. I had just bought a black and red layered 'gipsy'
> >skirt at a car boot sale but the waistband had begun to disintegrate, so
> >I took it all to pieces, cut off the frayed material and reconstructed a
> >skirt which looked absolutely stunning but formal when coupled with a
> >black silky top. I just got it finished the day before the talk.
> >
> >Afterwards a lady came up to me and said how much she had enjoyed the
> >talk, even though she didn't understand a lot of it ...but she had spent
> >most of the time admiring my skirt!
>
> My preferred look is "invisible."

Is this from choice or because it is expected of you?

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

[...]
> Hell, I miss shirt pockets.

I can't do without pockets somewhere in my clothes but you should try
finding skirts with decent sized pockets. Lack of pockets is the one
big grumble women have about 'womens' clothes. I have become adept at
opening a side seam and inserting a pocket or sewing one on the inside
of an elasticated waistband. (You have to be careful where you put it
or it could look like a hidden colostomy bag or worse).

When friends borrow any of my skirts, their first comment is usually
"Oh! It's got lovely big pockets!".

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk