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There are still some idiots who believe that because they can run (not half as +-all mammals) that Pleistocene humans ran after antelopes... :-DDD

Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]: “Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER hunts observed by Liebenberg were spontaneous. 8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV documentaries. ... they were undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters. Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those hunts were commenced from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.” :-DDD

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 20:02 UTC

Op woensdag 2 maart 2022 om 11:18:39 UTC+1 schreef littor...@gmail.com:

> There are still some idiots who believe that because they can run (not half as fast as +-all mammals) that Pleistocene humans must have run after antelopes... :-DDD

> Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]:
“Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER hunts observed by Liebenberg were spontaneous.
8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV documentaries.
.... they were undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters.
Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those hunts were commenced from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.”

:-DDD

I just saw on TV a beautiful episode of "Africa with Ade Adepitan": there are probably a few million times more fishermen in Africa than antelope runners.

I have 2 patients that hunt sometimes with modern tools (rifles), but dozens of patients that go fishing whenever they have the chance.

Only incredible idiots believe their Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.

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 by: DD'eDeN aka not - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 00:54 UTC

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:02:55 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op woensdag 2 maart 2022 om 11:18:39 UTC+1 schreef littor...@gmail.com:
>
> > There are still some idiots who believe that because they can run (not half as fast as +-all mammals) that Pleistocene humans must have run after antelopes... :-DDD
> > Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]:
> “Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER hunts observed by Liebenberg were spontaneous.
> 8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV documentaries.
> ... they were undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters.
> Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those hunts were commenced from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.”
>
> :-DDD
> I just saw on TV a beautiful episode of "Africa with Ade Adepitan": there are probably a few million times more fishermen in Africa than antelope runners.
>
> I have 2 patients that hunt sometimes with modern tools (rifles), but dozens of patients that go fishing whenever they have the chance.
>
> Only incredible idiots believe their Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.

Or dove after saigas. See Big Nose antelope, proves they were formerly seagrass eaters!!11!

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Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 01:54:59 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> Or dove after saigas. See Big Nose antelope, proves they were formerly seagrass eaters!!11!

My little boy with the mermaid brain, it's really not difficult, even for you:
H.erectus: shellfish: large brain (vs seacows):
-- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
-- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
-- shellfish rich in DHA etc.,
-- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
-- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
-- typical dental microwear,
-- large brains: Odontoceti, Pinnipedia,
-- flat feet, flaring ilia, large lungs, broad thorax,
-- platycephaly, platypelliody, platymeria,
-- etc.etc.etc.
IOW, only incredible idiots believe their Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.

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On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 7:05:16 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 01:54:59 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > Or dove after saigas. See Big Nose antelope, proves they were formerly seagrass eaters!!11!
> My little boy with the mermaid brain, it's really not difficult, even for you:
> H.erectus: shellfish: large brain (vs seacows):
> -- found amid shellfish in coastal plains, Java,
> -- shell engravings, Trinil, google "Joordens Munro",
> -- shellfish rich in DHA etc.,
> -- island colonizations oversea, Flores,
> -- pachyosteosclerosis = slow + shallow diving,
> -- typical dental microwear,
> -- large brains: Odontoceti, Pinnipedia,
> -- flat feet, flaring ilia, large lungs, broad thorax,
> -- platycephaly, platypelliody, platymeria,
> -- etc.etc.etc.
> IOW, only incredible idiots believe their Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.
Diving for saiga

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littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> There are still some idiots who believe

in snorkel noses...

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> > There are still some idiots who believe
> in snorkel noses...

OI, BIG NOSE !
New Scientist 2782 p 69 Lastword 16 October 2010

Why do humans evolve external noses that don’t seem to serve any useful purpose – our smelling sensors are inside the head. Our nose is vulnerable to damage, and the majority of primates and other mammals manage with relatively flat faces. Traditional explanations are that the nose protects against dry air, hot air, cold air, dusty air, whatever air, but most savannah mammals have no external noses, and polar animals such as arctic foxes or hares tend to evolve shorter extremities including flatter noses (Allen’s Rule), not larger as the Neanderthal protruding nose.

The answer isn’t so difficult if we simply consider humans like other mammals.

An external nose is seen in elephant seals, hooded seals, tapirs, elephants, swine and, among primates, in the mangrove-dwelling proboscis monkeys. Various, often mutually compatible functions, have been proposed, such as sexual display (in male hooded and elephant seals or proboscis monkeys), manipulation of food (in elephants, tapirs and swine), a snorkel (elephants, proboscis monkeys) and as a nose-closing aid during diving (in most of these animals). These mammals spend a lot of time at the margins of land and water.. Possible functions of an external nose in creatures evolving into aquatic ones are obvious and match those listed above in many cases. They can initially act as a nose closure, a snorkel, to keep water out, to dig in wet soil for food, and so on. Afterwards, these external noses can also become co-opted for other functions, such as sexual display (visual as well as auditory) in hooded and elephant seals and proboscis monkeys.

But what does this have to do with human evolution?

The earliest known Homo fossils outside Africa – such as those at Mojokerto in Java and Dmanisi in Georgia – are about 1.8 million years old. The easiest way for them to have spread to other continents, and to islands such as Java, is along the coasts, and from there inland along rivers. During the glacial periods of the Pleistocene – the ice age cycles that ran from about 1.8 million to 12,000 years ago – most coasts were about 100 metres below the present-day sea level, so we don’t know whether or when Homo populations lived there. But coasts and riversides are full of shellfish and other foods that are easily collected and digested by smart, handy and tool-using “apes”, and are rich in potential brain-boosting nutrients such as docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

If Pleistocene Homo spread along the coasts, beachcombing, wading and diving for seafoods as Polynesian islanders still do, this could explain why Homo erectus evolved larger brains (aided by DHA) and larger noses (because of their part-time diving). This littoral intermezzo could help to explain not only why we like to have our holidays at tropical beaches, eating shrimps and coconuts, but also why we became fat and furless bipeds with long legs, large brains and big noses.

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Subject: Re: snorkel nose idiots
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 by: DD'eDeN aka not - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 02:48 UTC

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > There are still some idiots who believe
> > in snorkel noses...
> OI, BIG NOSE !
> New Scientist 2782 p 69 Lastword 16 October 2010
>
> Why do humans evolve external noses that don’t seem to serve any useful purpose – our smelling sensors are inside the head. Our nose is vulnerable to damage, and the majority of primates and other mammals manage with relatively flat faces. Traditional explanations are that the nose protects against dry air, hot air, cold air, dusty air, whatever air, but most savannah mammals have no external noses, and polar animals such as arctic foxes or hares tend to evolve shorter extremities including flatter noses (Allen’s Rule), not larger as the Neanderthal protruding nose.
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> The answer isn’t so difficult if we simply consider humans like other mammals.
>
> An external nose is seen in elephant seals, hooded seals, tapirs, elephants, swine and, among primates, in the mangrove-dwelling proboscis monkeys. Various, often mutually compatible functions, have been proposed, such as sexual display (in male hooded and elephant seals or proboscis monkeys), manipulation of food (in elephants, tapirs and swine), a snorkel (elephants, proboscis monkeys) and as a nose-closing aid during diving (in most of these animals). These mammals spend a lot of time at the margins of land and water. Possible functions of an external nose in creatures evolving into aquatic ones are obvious and match those listed above in many cases. They can initially act as a nose closure, a snorkel, to keep water out, to dig in wet soil for food, and so on. Afterwards, these external noses can also become co-opted for other functions, such as sexual display (visual as well as auditory) in hooded and elephant seals and proboscis monkeys.
>
> But what does this have to do with human evolution?
>
> The earliest known Homo fossils outside Africa – such as those at Mojokerto in Java and Dmanisi in Georgia – are about 1.8 million years old. The easiest way for them to have spread to other continents, and to islands such as Java, is along the coasts, and from there inland along rivers. During the glacial periods of the Pleistocene – the ice age cycles that ran from about 1.8 million to 12,000 years ago – most coasts were about 100 metres below the present-day sea level, so we don’t know whether or when Homo populations lived there. But coasts and riversides are full of shellfish and other foods that are easily collected and digested by smart, handy and tool-using “apes”, and are rich in potential brain-boosting nutrients such as docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).
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> If Pleistocene Homo spread along the coasts, beachcombing, wading and diving for seafoods as Polynesian islanders still do, this could explain why Homo erectus evolved larger brains (aided by DHA) and larger noses (because of their part-time diving). This littoral intermezzo could help to explain not only why we like to have our holidays at tropical beaches, eating shrimps and coconuts, but also why we became fat and furless bipeds with long legs, large brains and big noses.

Diving Irish Elk with POS and backfloating Saiga antelope???

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