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* Iconic Black Hole Pioneer Disproves The Existence of SingularitiesLaurence Clark Crossen
`* Re: Iconic Black Hole Pioneer Disproves The Existence of Singularitiespalsing
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 `* Re: Iconic Black Hole Pioneer Disproves The Existence of SingularitiesLaurence Clark Crossen
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  `* Re: Iconic Black Hole Pioneer Disproves The Existence of SingularitiesJanPB
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnlIjiyhAWE

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 by: palsing - Mon, 8 Jan 2024 02:51 UTC

Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnlIjiyhAWE

Iconic black hole pioneer?

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9742772/bio/

"Anton Petrov is a math teacher. In my time off I am also an avid video gamer with an extensive knowledge of PC gaming both as an entertainment art and an educational tool. My research paper at University of Toronto was on educational uses of Minecraft. Master of Teaching from the University of Toronto, Ontario Institute of Studies in Education (OISE), Toronto, Ontario Teaching Certification for Mathematics and Biology, grades 7-12; Thesis: "Using Minecraft in Education, Qualitative Study" President of Curriculum, Teaching and Learning Student Association. Bachelor of Science, Psychology from McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. Diploma in Health Sciences from Marianopolis College, Montreal, Quebec. Speaks English (native), Russian (native), conversational French. Certifications OCT - Ontario Certified Teacher; MYP/DP Certified Math Teacher; Google Educator. TESL - Teaching English as Second Language; First Aid Level 1: Suicide Prevention; WHMIS - Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System. Technical Planned, executed and developed various IT related workshops to assist other teachers. Expert in using SMART board technology. Planned creative lessons using smartphone and internet technology in class. Organized computer labs using PhET and Gizmos; Recognized for experience in all Windows, Mac and Linux software. Experienced using graphic tablets, such as Wacom and MOBI as primary teaching resources in math."

I'm sure he is a very nice guy and knows a lot about a lot of things, but he is no black hole expert! In his opening statement for this video he says...

"Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about black hole singularities and why they probably don't exist"

Do you not understand the difference between "probably don't exist" and your claim that he "Disproves The Existence of Singularities"?

You continue to make $hit up without actually thinking about what you are writing. Just stop already, you look like a complete idiot!

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 by: gharnagel - Mon, 8 Jan 2024 03:55 UTC

Paul wrote:
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> Iconic black hole pioneer?
>
> "Anton Petrov is a math teacher.

The paper Anton was referring to was by Roy Kerr:

"Do Black Holes have Singularities?" https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.00841

As Anton said, the spinning black hole metric is named after him.
Frankly, the good news is that physicists are finally getting to the
point where their beginning to reject infinities.

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 by: Laurence Clark Cross - Mon, 8 Jan 2024 04:35 UTC

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 6:57:03 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
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> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnlIjiyhAWE
>
> Iconic black hole pioneer?
>
> https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9742772/bio/
>
> "Anton Petrov is a math teacher. In my time off I am also an avid video gamer with an extensive knowledge of PC gaming both as an entertainment art and an educational tool. My research paper at University of Toronto was on educational uses of Minecraft. Master of Teaching from the University of Toronto, Ontario Institute of Studies in Education (OISE), Toronto, Ontario Teaching Certification for Mathematics and Biology, grades 7-12; Thesis: "Using Minecraft in Education, Qualitative Study" President of Curriculum, Teaching and Learning Student Association. Bachelor of Science, Psychology from McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. Diploma in Health Sciences from Marianopolis College, Montreal, Quebec. Speaks English (native), Russian (native), conversational French. Certifications OCT - Ontario Certified Teacher; MYP/DP Certified Math Teacher; Google Educator. TESL - Teaching English as Second Language; First Aid Level 1: Suicide Prevention; WHMIS - Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System. Technical Planned, executed and developed various IT related workshops to assist other teachers. Expert in using SMART board technology. Planned creative lessons using smartphone and internet technology in class. Organized computer labs using PhET and Gizmos; Recognized for experience in all Windows, Mac and Linux software. Experienced using graphic tablets, such as Wacom and MOBI as primary teaching resources in math."
>
> I'm sure he is a very nice guy and knows a lot about a lot of things, but he is no black hole expert! In his opening statement for this video he says...
>
> "Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about black hole singularities and why they probably don't exist"
>
> Do you not understand the difference between "probably don't exist" and your claim that he "Disproves The Existence of Singularities"?
>
> You continue to make $hit up without actually thinking about what you are writing. Just stop already, you look like a complete idiot!
Poor Paul, singularities are mathematical fictions therefore every intelligent person knows they have never existed and never will.

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 by: palsing - Mon, 8 Jan 2024 05:49 UTC

Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 6:57:03 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
>> Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnlIjiyhAWE
>>
>> Iconic black hole pioneer?
>>
>> https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9742772/bio/
>>
>> "Anton Petrov is a math teacher. In my time off I am also an avid video gamer with an extensive knowledge of PC gaming both as an entertainment art and an educational tool. My research paper at University of Toronto was on educational uses of Minecraft. Master of Teaching from the University of Toronto, Ontario Institute of Studies in Education (OISE), Toronto, Ontario Teaching Certification for Mathematics and Biology, grades 7-12; Thesis: "Using Minecraft in Education, Qualitative Study" President of Curriculum, Teaching and Learning Student Association. Bachelor of Science, Psychology from McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. Diploma in Health Sciences from Marianopolis College, Montreal, Quebec. Speaks English (native), Russian (native), conversational French. Certifications OCT - Ontario Certified Teacher; MYP/DP Certified Math Teacher; Google Educator. TESL - Teaching English as Second Language; First Aid Level 1: Suicide Prevention; WHMIS - Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System. Technical Planned, executed and developed various IT related workshops to assist other teachers. Expert in using SMART board technology. Planned creative lessons using smartphone and internet technology in class. Organized computer labs using PhET and Gizmos; Recognized for experience in all Windows, Mac and Linux software. Experienced using graphic tablets, such as Wacom and MOBI as primary teaching resources in math."
>>
>> I'm sure he is a very nice guy and knows a lot about a lot of things, but he is no black hole expert! In his opening statement for this video he says...
>>
>> "Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about black hole singularities and why they probably don't exist"
>>
>> Do you not understand the difference between "probably don't exist" and your claim that he "Disproves The Existence of Singularities"?
>>
>> You continue to make $hit up without actually thinking about what you are writing. Just stop already, you look like a complete idiot!

> Poor Paul, singularities are mathematical fictions therefore every intelligent person knows they have never existed and never will.

And still, you have provided zero evidence in support of your claim. A mathematical result can hardly be called a "fiction"... unless, of course, you have evidence to show otherwise.

You continue to promote your own ignorance of the subject matter and march on promoting your own personal fantasies. Clueless, as always.

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On Monday 8 January 2024 at 06:51:13 UTC+1, palsing wrote:

> And still, you have provided zero evidence in support of your claim. A mathematical result can hardly be called a "fiction"...

Any evidence for this absurd claim, Al?
Besides, of course, your Shit and its black
holes is not mathematics, it's physics.

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 by: JanPB - Mon, 8 Jan 2024 21:27 UTC

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:35:31 PM UTC-8, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 6:57:03 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
> > Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnlIjiyhAWE
> >
> > Iconic black hole pioneer?
> >
> > https://www.imdb.com/name/nm9742772/bio/
> >
> > "Anton Petrov is a math teacher. In my time off I am also an avid video gamer with an extensive knowledge of PC gaming both as an entertainment art and an educational tool. My research paper at University of Toronto was on educational uses of Minecraft. Master of Teaching from the University of Toronto, Ontario Institute of Studies in Education (OISE), Toronto, Ontario Teaching Certification for Mathematics and Biology, grades 7-12; Thesis: "Using Minecraft in Education, Qualitative Study" President of Curriculum, Teaching and Learning Student Association. Bachelor of Science, Psychology from McGill University, Montreal, Quebec. Diploma in Health Sciences from Marianopolis College, Montreal, Quebec. Speaks English (native), Russian (native), conversational French. Certifications OCT - Ontario Certified Teacher; MYP/DP Certified Math Teacher; Google Educator. TESL - Teaching English as Second Language; First Aid Level 1: Suicide Prevention; WHMIS - Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System. Technical Planned, executed and developed various IT related workshops to assist other teachers. Expert in using SMART board technology. Planned creative lessons using smartphone and internet technology in class. Organized computer labs using PhET and Gizmos; Recognized for experience in all Windows, Mac and Linux software. Experienced using graphic tablets, such as Wacom and MOBI as primary teaching resources in math."
> >
> > I'm sure he is a very nice guy and knows a lot about a lot of things, but he is no black hole expert! In his opening statement for this video he says...
> >
> > "Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about black hole singularities and why they probably don't exist"
> >
> > Do you not understand the difference between "probably don't exist" and your claim that he "Disproves The Existence of Singularities"?
> >
> > You continue to make $hit up without actually thinking about what you are writing. Just stop already, you look like a complete idiot!
> Poor Paul, singularities are mathematical fictions therefore every intelligent person knows they have never existed and never will.

Most (all?) physicist have thought for a long time that singularities in black holes
result from the lack of a good quantum theory of gravity. GR is a classical theory and
just like other classical theories (electrodynamics, Newtonian and Einsteinian mechanics)
it leads to certain mathematical consequences which are non-physical. One well-known
example of that in classical electrodynamics was the ultraviolet catastrophe which was only
resolved by introducing quantum mechanics. Pretty much everyone in physics knows that
something similar needs to happen with GR.

It's all an old hat by now. Your barking at it as if you were holding the
keys to some revelation is just silly.

--
Jan

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 by: gharnagel - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 14:23 UTC

Jan B. wrote:
>
> Most (all?) physicist have thought for a long time that singularities in black holes
> result from the lack of a good quantum theory of gravity. GR is a classical theory and
> just like other classical theories (electrodynamics, Newtonian and Einsteinian mechanics)
> it leads to certain mathematical consequences which are non-physical. One well-known
> example of that in classical electrodynamics was the ultraviolet catastrophe which was only
> resolved by introducing quantum mechanics. Pretty much everyone in physics knows that
> something similar needs to happen with GR.
> It's all an old hat by now. Your barking at it as if you were holding the
> keys to some revelation is just silly.
> --
> Jan

There is an infinity in SR when considering FTL phenomena, too. I'm sure you're familiar
with the Bilaniuk, Deshpanda and Sudarshan paper with imaginary mass to cancel the gamma
factor becoming imaginary for u > c. The relativistic velocity composition equation is

u' = (u - v)/(1 - uv/c^2)

where u' reverses sign at v = c^2/u. Bilaniuk et al took this as a real thing and proposed
their "reinterpretation principle" to save causality. Many, many physicists preferred to
view the RVCE as disproving the possibility of FTL, starting with Einstein and continuing
to the present. A few hardy physicists have forged on anyway. Recami is still using the
"reinterpretation principle" (which I think should be called RIP).

It seems to me that the discontinuity (singularity?) at v = c^2/v represents the limit
beyond which the RVCE is invalid. Using Tom Robert's language, it exceeds its domain of
applicability. Thus, conclusions about FTL while using any equation that even implicitly
involves the RVCE must be invalid. This includes four-momentum transformations and probably
quantum field theory as well.

What do you think?

Gary

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gharnagel wrote:

> Jan B. wrote:
>> Most (all?) physicist have thought for a long time that singularities
>> in black holes result from the lack of a good quantum theory of
>> gravity. GR is a classical theory and just like other classical
>> theories (electrodynamics, Newtonian and Einsteinian mechanics)
>> it leads to certain mathematical consequences which are non-physical.
>> One well-known example of that in classical electrodynamics was the
>> ultraviolet catastrophe which was only resolved by introducing quantum
>> mechanics. Pretty much everyone in physics knows that something similar
>> needs to happen with GR.
>> It's all an old hat by now. Your barking at it as if you were holding
>> the keys to some revelation is just silly. -- Jan
>
> There is an infinity in SR when considering FTL phenomena, too. I'm
> sure you're familiar with the Bilaniuk, Deshpanda and Sudarshan paper
> with imaginary mass to cancel the gamma factor becoming imaginary for u
> > c. The relativistic velocity composition equation is
> u' = (u - v)/(1 - uv/c^2)

I don't think that you can. You can't be there, not being Eben Alexander.
That's simply a mistake. That would be something below quantum mechanics,
something nobody undrestand. Do never trust 𝘀𝘂𝗰𝗵_𝗷𝗲𝘄𝘀, they don't undrestand
𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀. And they 𝗮𝗿𝗲_𝗻𝗼𝘁_𝗷𝗲𝘄𝘀.

𝗨𝗡_𝗮𝗹𝘁𝗲𝗿𝘀_𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗻𝘀𝗲_𝘁𝗼_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_𝗮𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿_𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘁𝗲𝘀𝘁
Russia’s Foreign Ministry took issue with the use of the word “saddened”
by the secretary general’s spokesperson
https://r%74.com/russia/594789-terrorist-attack-moscow-zakharova-un-
reaction/

Typical zionist infiltrated organisation... "Let's pretend that we are
concerned about the terrorism (that we orchestrate ourselves)."

The first UN statement was probable drafted by terrorists in chief in
Washington, Moscow is still standing and will respond with its full might
to this terror attack. Plotters and conspirators be warned, your days are
numbered. Condolences to the people of Russia we are with them in this
time

Look no further than to one of the many Washington proxies to see who's
responsible for this brutality.

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 by: Tom Roberts - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 04:41 UTC

On 3/23/24 9:23 AM, gharnagel wrote:
> [...]

I think that playing with the Lorentz transformation (LT) and the
relativistic velocity composition equation (RVCE) are futile, because
these are relationships among DIFFERENT COORDINATE SYSTEMS. But nature
clearly uses no coordinates whatsoever, so coordinate relationships are
irrelevant at the fundamental level [#]. That's why all modern physical
theories are expressed in terms of tensors, which are naturally
independent of coordinates [@]. For the LT and RVCE the relevant tensor
is the 4-velocity of an object -- the LT and RVCE are formulated
specifically so when an object's 4-velocity is projected onto the
different inertial coordinate systems, the tensor itself remains
unchanged (aka invariant).

[#] Not to mention the artificial requirement of inertial
coordinates.

[@] There are other mathematical methods to ensure coordinate
independence. Tensors are the simplest, due to their
requirement of multi-linearity. Nonlinear approaches are MUCH
more complicated, and to date no need for them has been
demonstrated.

Specifically, for a given inertial coordinate system (x^i) and an object
with 4-velocity U, the components of U are:

U^i = dx^i/dtau. {i=0,1,2,3}
where tau is the proper time of the object, and d is
partial derivative.
We also have:
U = U^i d/dx^i d is still partial derivative

Note that dx^1, dx^2, and dx^3 need standard rulers for their
definition, and dx^0 needs standard clocks, all of which must be at rest
in the inertial frame. So it is impossible to define these relationships
for coordinates moving faster than c relative to any inertial frame. IOW
a tachyon cannot have a rest frame.

Essential exercise for the reader:
Given two inertial frames A and B, calculate the components
of a given tachyon's 4-velocity relative to each; check
whether the LT and RVCE hold for the tachyon. The essential
question is: what does the norm of its 4-velocity mean?
As A and B are inertial frames, the metric components for
each are diag(-1,1,1,1).

If you can't/won't do this exercise, you'll never really understand
tachyons.

Tom Roberts

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 06:55 UTC

W dniu 25.03.2024 o 05:41, Tom Roberts pisze:
> On 3/23/24 9:23 AM, gharnagel wrote:
>> [...]
>
> I think that playing with the Lorentz transformation (LT) and the
> relativistic velocity composition equation (RVCE) are futile, because
> these are relationships among DIFFERENT COORDINATE SYSTEMS. But nature
> clearly uses no coordinates whatsoever, so coordinate relationships are
> irrelevant at the fundamental level [#].

Sorry, poor halfbtrain. Nature doesn't, but we do,
and your moronic physics does, so they ARE relevant
at the fundamental level.

> That's why all modern physical
> theories are expressed in terms of tensors

Does nature use tensors, poor halfbrain?
Any example?

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 by: gharnagel - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 14:52 UTC

Tom Roberts wrote:
>
> I think that playing with the Lorentz transformation (LT) and the
> relativistic velocity composition equation (RVCE) are futile, because
> these are relationships among DIFFERENT COORDINATE SYSTEMS. But nature
> clearly uses no coordinates whatsoever, so coordinate relationships are
> irrelevant at the fundamental level [#]. That's why all modern physical
> theories are expressed in terms of tensors, which are naturally
> independent of coordinates [@]. For the LT and RVCE the relevant tensor
> is the 4-velocity of an object -- the LT and RVCE are formulated
> specifically so when an object's 4-velocity is projected onto the
> different inertial coordinate systems, the tensor itself remains
> unchanged (aka invariant).
>
> [#] Not to mention the artificial requirement of inertial
> coordinates.
>
> [@] There are other mathematical methods to ensure coordinate
> independence. Tensors are the simplest, due to their
> requirement of multi-linearity. Nonlinear approaches are MUCH
> more complicated, and to date no need for them has been
> demonstrated.
>
>
> Specifically, for a given inertial coordinate system (x^i) and an object
> with 4-velocity U, the components of U are:
>
> U^i = dx^i/dtau. {i=0,1,2,3}
> where tau is the proper time of the object, and d is
> partial derivative.
> We also have:
> U = U^i d/dx^i d is still partial derivative
>
> Note that dx^1, dx^2, and dx^3 need standard rulers for their
> definition, and dx^0 needs standard clocks, all of which must be at rest
> in the inertial frame. So it is impossible to define these relationships
> for coordinates moving faster than c relative to any inertial frame. IOW
> a tachyon cannot have a rest frame.

Hi Tom,

Thanks for reponding. Yes, tachyons always travel c < u < \infty

> Essential exercise for the reader:
> Given two inertial frames A and B, calculate the components
> of a given tachyon's 4-velocity relative to each; check
> whether the LT and RVCE hold for the tachyon. The essential
> question is: what does the norm of its 4-velocity mean?
> As A and B are inertial frames, the metric components for
> each are diag(-1,1,1,1).
>
> If you can't/won't do this exercise, you'll never really understand
> tachyons.
>
> Tom Roberts

I have done the 4-momentum work and found that there is a problem for
tachyons. Transformation yields P' = [γ(E/c - pv/c),γ(p - Ev/c^2)],
yielding the belief that tachyon energy becomes negative for certain
observers in other inertial frames. This occurs because |pc| > E for
tachyons, contrary to the case for bradyons.

The LT is the nuts and bolts of tensor transformations, so sometimes
it's necessary to check that they still work in a new domain.

A philosopher wrote:

"Civilization advances by extending the number of important
operations which we can perform without thinking of them."
― Alfred North Whitehead

But that can cause problems when your only tool is a hammer and the
new operation involves turning a screw. This is the situation with
tachyons: The 4-vector approach is Whitehead, thinking like Bilaniuk
et al. did in their Meta Relativity paper where they concluded that
negative energy meant the tachyon would be observed to reverse direction
and go back in time to boot (no one checked that the 3-momentum
component didn't reverse direction).

Tachyon energy is never observed to be negative, however, at the nuts
and bolts level:

For one thing, if E = mc^2/sqrt(u^2/c^2 - 1) can be considered as a law
of physics, then E' = mc^2/sqrt(u'^2/c^2 - 1) must also be a law of
physics by the Principle of Relativity. Looking at the transformation
of E to E':

E' = γmc^2 sqrt[(1 - uv/c^2)^2]/sqrt(u^2/c^2 - 1)

E' = γE[(1 - uv/c^2)^2]^(1/2)

we can see where the problem is: The 4-vector approach canceled the ^2
exponent with the ^(1/2) exponent and left the (1 - uv/c^2) term in the
transformation. This didn't cause problems for bradyons and luxons, but
it does for tachyons when u > c^2/v. What is the square of a negative
number? Positive, of course. What is the square root of a positive
number? Well, it has two roots, one positive, one negative, but the
positive root is the principle one. Furthermore, the fact that

E' = mc^2/sqrt(u'^2/c^2 - 1)

NEVER goes negative over the range c < u' < \infty signifies that we
eschew the negative root.

Sorry for the amount written here, but it seems to me that there is a
lot of misinformation about tachyons that should be cleared up. All of
this is in DOI: 10.13189/ujpa.2023.170101. Have you read it?

Gary

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 by: Yanko Molnár - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:31 UTC

gharnagel wrote:

> "Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations
> which we can perform without thinking of them." ― Alfred North Whitehead

so much that you do, indeed. Here's a paper, to undrestand more. They
still don't undrestand Jesus. They are from polakia.
𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀_𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱_𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺_𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗿𝘀,_𝘃𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗵𝘆𝗽𝗼𝗰𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗲𝘀_(𝗠𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘄_23)

𝗝𝗲𝘄𝘀_𝗼𝘄𝗻_𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮-_𝗥𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲_𝗩𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗼𝘀
https://bi%74%63%68ute.com/video/8lgu81Vbqm80

𝗗𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗱_𝗗𝘂𝗸𝗲_𝗮_𝗺𝗮𝗻_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀-_𝗥𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲_𝗩𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗼𝘀
https://bi%74%63%68ute.com/video/0UqHUTKZ7lDN

𝗖𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗰𝗲_𝗢𝘄𝗲𝗻𝘀_𝗮𝘀𝗸𝘀_𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗽𝘂𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲_𝗿𝗮𝗯𝗯𝗶_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝗱𝗲𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗶𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲_𝗱𝗲𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻_𝗼𝗳_𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗶-𝘀𝗲𝗺𝗶𝘁𝗶𝘀𝗺
https://bi%74%63%68ute.com/video/RrxEhWPNIZaX

𝗧𝗵𝗿𝗲𝗲_𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲_𝘀𝘂𝘀𝗽𝗲𝗰𝘁𝘀_𝗶𝗻_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱
https://www.r%74.com/russia/594887-three-suspects-arrested-crocus/

"Isroil Islomov", the guy's first name is "Israel".

You wonder how many more degrees of separation there are to reach the CIA
and the "surprise" victeria nulandsky? They knew after an hour, that it
was "not ukrein, but isis". Amazing that fast, that they knew.

𝗧𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁_𝗔𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_𝗼𝗻_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_-_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗖𝗼𝗺𝗺𝗶𝘁𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗦𝘂𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗱𝗲_-_𝗟𝗮𝗿𝗿𝘆_𝗖._𝗝𝗼𝗵𝗻𝘀𝗼𝗻 https://
bi%74%63%68ute.com/video/uccul20f5PT5

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 by: Ace Kosmatka Dubanow - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 19:42 UTC

Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 3/23/24 9:23 AM, gharnagel wrote:
>> [...]
>
> I think that playing with the Lorentz transformation (LT) and the
> relativistic velocity composition equation (RVCE) are futile, because
> these are relationships among DIFFERENT COORDINATE SYSTEMS. But nature
> clearly uses no coordinates whatsoever, so coordinate relationships are
> irrelevant at the fundamental level [#]. That's why all modern physical
> theories are expressed in terms of tensors, which are naturally
> independent of coordinates [@]. For the LT and RVCE the relevant tensor

yes, we agree. But the harnagel don't undrestand the tensors. That's the
problem that we have. Here's more proof that the putina is a traitor,
killing own people, to destroy Russia. It's already become obvious.

‘𝗥𝗮𝗱𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹_𝗜𝘀𝗹𝗮𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀’_𝗰𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗱_𝗼𝘂𝘁_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_–_𝗣𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗻
The Russian president still suspects that Ukraine was complicit in the
tragedy
https://www.r%74.com/russia/594893-putin-terrorist-attack-meeting/

as such, he doesn't know who the isis terrorist are, their deeds and their
doings. Unbelievable incredible.

Funny how isis only attacks Iran, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon Russia and Western
countries before elections, but leaves Ziostan alone.

We all know Victoria Nuland knew about it and gloatted about it. Just like
she did about Nordstream. My question is why didn't any US official
stopped it.

ISKP ... Finally Putin had the guts to call out radicals Islamists ...
Good Nuland had said Russia has more surprises in store for it ... So
Putin knows who ordered it

Just doesn't add up. Why did they get caught then ? Islamists would rather
fight til death to find martyrdom.

As Lindsay Graham said " best investment is the money that is invested to
kill Russians" - it is not hard to work out who ordered it. We all know
who ordered.

More and more I wonder.... who does Putin really serve?....

Islamists? These are not islamists and Mr. Putin knows it. Let's start off
calling this what it is and not what it's not. These are trained
mercenaries. Why use terminology that is flawed?

Victoria ‘Nasty Surprise’ Nuland - a disgusting repulsive 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮 of
Basarabia.

We in the United States know that Ukraine was behind it and the United
States knew about it and more than likely approved it.

“This attack was carried out by radical Islamists,” (!!) on the planning
and orders of jews.

How did Victoria Nuland knew about it before it happened?????

Is Putin easily fooled, or is he just acting dumb? Nothing to do with
Islam this. No, he is a fucking traitor.

USA wants the credit for the show of force without taking the
responsibility for the underlying terrorist act.
I know! . . .
Do a Double-Inverted Narration in the Tuck Position:
(1) blame it on Putin,
(2) leave an evidence trail to show you did it to impress friends and
foes,
(3) discredit that evidence,
(4) blame it on Putin,
(5) deny any knowledge or responsibility, and
(6) blame it on Putin.

iS HE SCARED YO NAME NULAND AND ELENSKKY??

Problem with the Islamic terrorist theory is that they don’t usually get
paid to carry out an attack or don’t plan an exit route to Ukraine since
they believe in martyrdom and eternal reward in the afterlife.

Its suspicious that the US from the beginning blamed Isis, now Putin
agreeing with them .... doesnt ring well!...And why would " Islamists "
have a beef with Russia?

This opera isn't over until Victoria Nuland sings.

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 by: Physfitfreak - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:21 UTC

On 3/25/2024 2:42 PM, Ace Kosmatka Dubanowski wrote:
> Tom Roberts wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/24 9:23 AM, gharnagel wrote:
>>> [...]
>>
>> I think that playing with the Lorentz transformation (LT) and the
>> relativistic velocity composition equation (RVCE) are futile, because
>> these are relationships among DIFFERENT COORDINATE SYSTEMS. But nature
>> clearly uses no coordinates whatsoever, so coordinate relationships are
>> irrelevant at the fundamental level [#]. That's why all modern physical
>> theories are expressed in terms of tensors, which are naturally
>> independent of coordinates [@]. For the LT and RVCE the relevant tensor
>
> yes, we agree. But the harnagel don't undrestand the tensors. That's the
> problem that we have. Here's more proof that the putina is a traitor,
> killing own people, to destroy Russia. It's already become obvious.
>
> ‘𝗥𝗮𝗱𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹_𝗜𝘀𝗹𝗮𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀’_𝗰𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗱_𝗼𝘂𝘁_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_–_𝗣𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗻
> The Russian president still suspects that Ukraine was complicit in the
> tragedy
> https://www.r%74.com/russia/594893-putin-terrorist-attack-meeting/
>
> as such, he doesn't know who the isis terrorist are, their deeds and their
> doings. Unbelievable incredible.
>
> Funny how isis only attacks Iran, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon Russia and Western
> countries before elections, but leaves Ziostan alone.
>
> We all know Victoria Nuland knew about it and gloatted about it. Just like
> she did about Nordstream. My question is why didn't any US official
> stopped it.
>
> ISKP ... Finally Putin had the guts to call out radicals Islamists ...
> Good Nuland had said Russia has more surprises in store for it ... So
> Putin knows who ordered it
>
> Just doesn't add up. Why did they get caught then ? Islamists would rather
> fight til death to find martyrdom.
>
> As Lindsay Graham said " best investment is the money that is invested to
> kill Russians" - it is not hard to work out who ordered it. We all know
> who ordered.
>
> More and more I wonder.... who does Putin really serve?....
>
> Islamists? These are not islamists and Mr. Putin knows it. Let's start off
> calling this what it is and not what it's not. These are trained
> mercenaries. Why use terminology that is flawed?
>
> Victoria ‘Nasty Surprise’ Nuland - a disgusting repulsive 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧_𝙜𝙤𝙮 of
> Basarabia.
>
> We in the United States know that Ukraine was behind it and the United
> States knew about it and more than likely approved it.
>
> “This attack was carried out by radical Islamists,” (!!) on the planning
> and orders of jews.
>
> How did Victoria Nuland knew about it before it happened?????
>
> Is Putin easily fooled, or is he just acting dumb? Nothing to do with
> Islam this. No, he is a fucking traitor.
>
> USA wants the credit for the show of force without taking the
> responsibility for the underlying terrorist act.
> I know! . . .
> Do a Double-Inverted Narration in the Tuck Position:
> (1) blame it on Putin,
> (2) leave an evidence trail to show you did it to impress friends and
> foes,
> (3) discredit that evidence,
> (4) blame it on Putin,
> (5) deny any knowledge or responsibility, and
> (6) blame it on Putin.
>
> iS HE SCARED YO NAME NULAND AND ELENSKKY??
>
> Problem with the Islamic terrorist theory is that they don’t usually get
> paid to carry out an attack or don’t plan an exit route to Ukraine since
> they believe in martyrdom and eternal reward in the afterlife.
>
> Its suspicious that the US from the beginning blamed Isis, now Putin
> agreeing with them .... doesnt ring well!...And why would " Islamists "
> have a beef with Russia?
>
> This opera isn't over until Victoria Nuland sings.
>

You're vomiting. And you've changed your account so I could kill file
you. So you're afraid of me.

A thing like you (a high school drop out) shouldn't explain stuff for
others.

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 by: Edman Guzun Holshevn - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 21:42 UTC

Physfitfreak wrote:

>> ‘𝗥𝗮𝗱𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹_𝗜𝘀𝗹𝗮𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀’_𝗰𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗱_𝗼𝘂𝘁_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_–_𝗣𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗻
>> The Russian president still suspects that Ukraine was complicit in the
>> tragedy
>> https://www.r%74.com/russia/594893-putin-terrorist-attack-meeting/

>> This opera isn't over until Victoria Nuland sings.
>
> You're vomiting. And you've changed your account so I could kill file
> you. So you're afraid of me. A thing like you (a high school drop out)
> shouldn't explain stuff for others.

he most likely shits on your ugly deformed face, but you are not paying
attention, you stupid uneducated braindead baboon. Read this now, from
another guy, to know more.

𝗢𝗥𝗜𝗚𝗜𝗡_𝗢𝗙_𝗧𝗛𝗘_𝗝𝗘𝗪𝗦_𝗧𝗿𝘂𝗲_𝗝𝗲𝘄𝗶𝘀𝗵_𝗢𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗶𝗻𝘀_101
https://bi%74%63%68ute.com/video/GGHH3rvOvOaJ

𝗡𝗲𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗮𝗵𝘂_𝗰𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗹𝘀_𝗱𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗴𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻’𝘀_𝗨𝗦_𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗶𝘁_𝗮𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿_𝗰𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗳𝗶𝗿𝗲_𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲
A high-level mission was due to travel to Washington to discuss planned
Israeli military operation in southern Gaza city of Rafah
https://www.r%74.com/news/594892-israel-cancels-delegation-us/

Is anyone ever gonna place any Sanctions on Israel for their crimes
against humanity?!

These genocidal Zionist maniacs won’t change their behavior at all. The
Empire of Lies can stop this genocide in one minute… STOP supplying
weapons of death.

A big dishonour for the obedient minion, the USA !

Jake Sullivan and Anthony Blinken are packing their clothes after being
summoned to Israel! Expected to be arriving immediately or sooner!

Things are bad for Israel. Watch out US, expect a new 9/11 to set you
straight.

What a sorry piece of human this character is - disgusting!

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