On 05/10/2022 18:29, sms wrote:
> On 10/5/2022 8:24 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> The iPhone *takes* a photograph.
>>
>> The software *enhances* a photograph.
>>
>> If the result of the enhancement by the software was to provide a better
>> viewable image (from a photograph taken with my current iPhone SE)
>> than a basic photograph taken with the iPhone 14, it would appear to
>> preclude the need to purchase an iPhone 14.
>>
>> Do you really consider that false?
>
> Yes, that is false.
>
> The computational photography capability of a high-end phone camera,
> whether an iPhone, a Pixel, or a Samsung, achieves results that are not
> possible with an after-market software enhancement program.
>
> "The biggest advances have all come from ways to stack or combine
> multiple images in the phone. Depending on how many images are stacked,
> and how clever the algorithms, this technique can be used to reduce
> noise, boost the tonal range, take clear shots in the dark, or even
> artificially boost resolution."
>
> You can learn about computational photography here:
> "https://www.engadget.com/2019-11-04-upscaled-computational-photography-pixel-deep-fusion-explainer.html>.
>
> Now we're seeing camera companies, with Fuji being the leader, adding
> computational photography into their mirrorless cameras.

Many thanks for your thoughts and for the link.

Are you aware of any other AI software programmes?

On Tuesday, 4 October 2022 at 23:39:17 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> On 04/10/2022 23:09, sms wrote:
> > On 10/4/2022 10:40 AM, David Brooks wrote:
> >> On 04/10/2022 18:00, Alfred Molon wrote:
> >>> Am 04.10.2022 um 16:21 schrieb sms:
> >>>
> >>>> <https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro>
> >>>>
> >>>> The highest score of any phone sold in the U.S., and the second
> >>>> highest in the world (that they've tested).
> >>>
> >>> They rank it 2nd behind the Honor Magic4 Ultimate.
> >>> https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/
> >>>
> >>> But personally, I wouldn't spend so much money for a smartphone.
> >>
> >> How much would you need to spend on a camera which would take
> >> photographs of the quality attainable by using an iPhone 14 Pro?
> >
> > I'd may a lot for a digital mirrorless camera with high-quality lenses
> > and computational photography. Like the Fuji X-H2S.And you will pay a
> > lot for it!
> >
> > Smartphone cameras are great, but add computational photography
> > capability to a real camera and it takes things to another level.
> Do you consider that THIS software https://www.topazlabs.com/topaz-photo-ai
>
> Would be a better investment than buying a new iPhone 14 Pro?
>
> Serious question!
can I get an SMS or phone call with topaz.

On Wednesday, 5 October 2022 at 16:24:54 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> On 05/10/2022 14:22, nospam wrote:
> > In article <7za%K.1023598$%q2.3...@fx15.ams1>, David Brooks
> > <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
> >
> >>>> Do you consider that THIS software
> https://www.topazlabs.com/topaz-photo-ai
> >>>>
> >>>> Would be a better investment than buying a new iPhone 14 Pro?
> >>>
> >>> which cell carrier does that software work with?
> >>
> >> How is that relevant?
> >
> > comparing a phone to software is well beyond stupid.
> I agree. 😂 I'm glad I didn't do that.
> > they are two *very* different things, for very different purposes.
> I agree. They are. 😂
> >>>> Serious question!
> >>>
> >>> no it isn't.
> >>
> >> Yes, it is.
> >
> > no, it isn't.
> I will put your penchant for child-like silliness down to senility and
> will forgive you. ❤️
>
> The iPhone *takes* a photograph.
>
> The software *enhances* a photograph.

So presently 2 different things.

>
> If the result of the enhancement by the software was to provide a better
> viewable image (from a photograph taken with my current iPhone SE) than
> a basic photograph taken with the iPhone 14, it would appear to preclude
> the need to purchase an iPhone 14.

So you'd need 2 things rather than one.

>
> Do you really consider that false?

I do.

If you rephrase the question and ask which is best an iphone SE and using 3rd party software enhancemeant
or buying a new iPhone 14, would be a more valid question.
But it would also depend on whether you use you present iPhone for anything other than photography,
so the anser might be buy a proper camera NOT an iPhone.

Am 05.10.2022 um 19:29 schrieb sms:
> On 10/5/2022 8:24 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> The iPhone *takes* a photograph.
>>
>> The software *enhances* a photograph.
>>
>> If the result of the enhancement by the software was to provide a better
>> viewable image (from a photograph taken with my current iPhone SE)
>> than a basic photograph taken with the iPhone 14, it would appear to
>> preclude the need to purchase an iPhone 14.
>>
>> Do you really consider that false?
>
> Yes, that is false.
>
> The computational photography capability of a high-end phone camera,
> whether an iPhone, a Pixel, or a Samsung, achieves results that are not
> possible with an after-market software enhancement program.
>
> "The biggest advances have all come from ways to stack or combine
> multiple images in the phone. Depending on how many images are stacked,
> and how clever the algorithms, this technique can be used to reduce
> noise, boost the tonal range, take clear shots in the dark, or even
> artificially boost resolution."
>
> You can learn about computational photography here:
> "https://www.engadget.com/2019-11-04-upscaled-computational-photography-pixel-deep-fusion-explainer.html>.
>
> Now we're seeing camera companies, with Fuji being the leader, adding
> computational photography into their mirrorless cameras.

Actually Olympus have been using computational photography in their
cameras for a long time already.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

In article <33E%K.984709$YC96.924009@fx12.ams1>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Actually Olympus have been using computational photography in their
> cameras for a long time already.

actually, what they've done is simple stuff like lens correction, which
is *very* different.

On 06/10/2022 14:30, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 October 2022 at 16:24:54 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 05/10/2022 14:22, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <7za%K.1023598$%q2.3...@fx15.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Do you consider that THIS software
>> https://www.topazlabs.com/topaz-photo-ai
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would be a better investment than buying a new iPhone 14 Pro?
>>>>>
>>>>> which cell carrier does that software work with?
>>>>
>>>> How is that relevant?
>>>
>>> comparing a phone to software is well beyond stupid.
>> I agree. 😂 I'm glad I didn't do that.
>>> they are two *very* different things, for very different purposes.
>> I agree. They are. 😂
>>>>>> Serious question!
>>>>>
>>>>> no it isn't.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is.
>>>
>>> no, it isn't.
>> I will put your penchant for child-like silliness down to senility and
>> will forgive you. ❤️
>>
>> The iPhone *takes* a photograph.
>>
>> The software *enhances* a photograph.
>
> So presently 2 different things.

Agreed.

>> If the result of the enhancement by the software was to provide a better
>> viewable image (from a photograph taken with my current iPhone SE) than
>> a basic photograph taken with the iPhone 14, it would appear to preclude
>> the need to purchase an iPhone 14.
>
> So you'd need 2 things rather than one.
>
>>
>> Do you really consider that false?
>
> I do.
>
> If you rephrase the question and ask which is best an iphone SE and using 3rd party software enhancemeant
> or buying a new iPhone 14, would be a more valid question.
> But it would also depend on whether you use you present iPhone for anything other than photography,
> so the answer might be buy a proper camera NOT an iPhone.

I take your point. I'd be a bit lost without a 'phone nowadays!

So a camera-and-phone all-in-one is my best bet. Thanks.

On 06/10/2022 14:14, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Tuesday, 4 October 2022 at 23:39:17 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 04/10/2022 23:09, sms wrote:
>>> On 10/4/2022 10:40 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 04/10/2022 18:00, Alfred Molon wrote:
>>>>> Am 04.10.2022 um 16:21 schrieb sms:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The highest score of any phone sold in the U.S., and the second
>>>>>> highest in the world (that they've tested).
>>>>>
>>>>> They rank it 2nd behind the Honor Magic4 Ultimate.
>>>>> https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/
>>>>>
>>>>> But personally, I wouldn't spend so much money for a smartphone.
>>>>
>>>> How much would you need to spend on a camera which would take
>>>> photographs of the quality attainable by using an iPhone 14 Pro?
>>>
>>> I'd may a lot for a digital mirrorless camera with high-quality lenses
>>> and computational photography. Like the Fuji X-H2S.And you will pay a
>>> lot for it!
>>>
>>> Smartphone cameras are great, but add computational photography
>>> capability to a real camera and it takes things to another level.
>> Do you consider that THIS software https://www.topazlabs.com/topaz-photo-ai
>>
>> Would be a better investment than buying a new iPhone 14 Pro?
>>
>> Serious question!
>
> can I get an SMS or phone call with topaz.

Certainly not! :-P

On 04/10/2022 15:21, sms wrote:
> On 10/2/2022 9:45 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>> Zitelli <joezitelli@areyoucrazy.spam.com> wrote:

>>> DxOMark has just released its camera assessment of the iPhone 14 Pro
[....]
> <https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro>
>
> The highest score of any phone sold in the U.S., and the second highest
> in the world (that they've tested).

The comments in this thread have been most helpful. Thank you, folks!

Went into the big city today .......

....... and came home with an iPhone 14 Pro!

*BIG GRIN* :-D

In article <s3G%K.1940339$ulh3.363952@fx06.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:

> > so the answer might be buy a proper camera NOT an iPhone.
>
> I take your point. I'd be a bit lost without a 'phone nowadays!

a phone can't fix that. nothing can.

On 10/6/2022 1:01 PM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 04/10/2022 15:21, sms wrote:
>> On 10/2/2022 9:45 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Zitelli <joezitelli@areyoucrazy.spam.com> wrote:
>
>>>> DxOMark has just released its camera assessment of the iPhone 14 Pro
> [....]
>> <https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro>
>>
>> The highest score of any phone sold in the U.S., and the second
>> highest in the world (that they've tested).
>
> The comments in this thread have been most helpful. Thank you, folks!
>
> Went into the big city today .......
>
>     ....... and came home with an iPhone 14 Pro!
>
> *BIG GRIN*  :-D

Which carrier are you on? There have been issues with Verizon and the
iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max U.S. models that appear to be
addressed with the iOS 16.1 Beta 4 update which supposedly has updated
firmware for the Qualcomm X65 5G modem. The problem is related to mmWave
5G on Verizon.

I installed iOS 16.1 Beta 4 on my iPhone Xr but I didn't get the
expected battery percentage number.

In article <thneo8$3f13i$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > Went into the big city today .......
> >
> >     ....... and came home with an iPhone 14 Pro!
> >
> > *BIG GRIN*  :-D
>
> Which carrier are you on? There have been issues with Verizon and the

he's in the uk.

>
> I installed iOS 16.1 Beta 4 on my iPhone Xr but I didn't get the
> expected battery percentage number.

user error.

On 06/10/2022 21:44, sms wrote:
> On 10/6/2022 1:01 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 04/10/2022 15:21, sms wrote:
>>> On 10/2/2022 9:45 AM, badgolferman wrote:
>>>> Zitelli <joezitelli@areyoucrazy.spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> DxOMark has just released its camera assessment of the iPhone 14 Pro
>> [....]
>>> <https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro>
>>>
>>> The highest score of any phone sold in the U.S., and the second
>>> highest in the world (that they've tested).
>>
>> The comments in this thread have been most helpful. Thank you, folks!
>>
>> Went into the big city today .......
>>
>>      ....... and came home with an iPhone 14 Pro!
>>
>> *BIG GRIN*  :-D
>
> Which carrier are you on?

I am with a company known as THREE (here in the UK)

https://www.three.com

//Three is part of CK Hutchison
Holdings, a renowned multinational
conglomerate committed to innovation
and technology. Its diverse businesses
employ over 300,000 people in over
50 countries across the world.//

- There have been issues with Verizon and the
> iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max U.S. models that appear to be
> addressed with the iOS 16.1 Beta 4 update which supposedly has updated
> firmware for the Qualcomm X65 5G modem. The problem is related to mmWave
> 5G on Verizon.
>
> I installed iOS 16.1 Beta 4 on my iPhone Xr but I didn't get the
> expected battery percentage number.

Perhaps you shouldn't be experimenting with Beta releases, just wait for
the public upgrade.

On 10/6/2022 3:57 PM, David Brooks wrote:

<snip>

> I am with a company known as THREE (here in the UK)

No issue then. The UK iPhone 14 models do not support mmWave 5G which
has, apparently, been the cause of problems in the U.S., mainly on
Verizon but to a lesser extent on other carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, and
U.S. Cellular), see
<https://www.phonearena.com/news/iphone-14-pro-5g-connectivity-issues_id142770>.

Am 04.10.2022 um 19:40 schrieb David Brooks:
> On 04/10/2022 18:00, Alfred Molon wrote:
>> Am 04.10.2022 um 16:21 schrieb sms:
>>
>>> <https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro>
>>>
>>> The highest score of any phone sold in the U.S., and the second
>>> highest in the world (that they've tested).
>>
>> They rank it 2nd behind the Honor Magic4 Ultimate.
>> https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/
>>
>> But personally, I wouldn't spend so much money for a smartphone.
>
> How much would you need to spend on a camera which would take
> photographs of the quality attainable by using an iPhone 14 Pro?

Not much actually. A 13 years old micro 4/3 camera with an ancient 12MP
sensor still beats the iphone 14:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J81wNyy-7pw&t=82s
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

In article <7GY%K.774203$wkZ5.30622@fx11.ams1>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> A 13 years old micro 4/3 camera with an ancient 12MP
> sensor still beats the iphone 14:

in some ways yes, in other ways no. as the saying goes, the best camera
is the one you have with you.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/6/2022 3:57 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I am with a company known as THREE (here in the UK)
>
> No issue then. The UK iPhone 14 models do not support mmWave 5G which
> has, apparently, been the cause of problems in the U.S., mainly on
> Verizon but to a lesser extent on other carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, and
> U.S. Cellular), see
> <https://www.phonearena.com/news/iphone-14-pro-5g-connectivity-issues_id142770>.
>
>
>

When you look at the other phone cameras they’ve reviewed, it’s a rubbish
selection, no mention of probably the best 2 camera phones on the market
the Sony Experian 1 Iv and the Samsung S22

--
Jonbo

On 07/10/2022 17:42, Alfred Molon wrote:
> Am 04.10.2022 um 19:40 schrieb David Brooks:
>> On 04/10/2022 18:00, Alfred Molon wrote:
>>> Am 04.10.2022 um 16:21 schrieb sms:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro>
>>>>
>>>> The highest score of any phone sold in the U.S., and the second
>>>> highest in the world (that they've tested).
>>>
>>> They rank it 2nd behind the Honor Magic4 Ultimate.
>>> https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/
>>>
>>> But personally, I wouldn't spend so much money for a smartphone.
>>
>> How much would you need to spend on a camera which would take
>> photographs of the quality attainable by using an iPhone 14 Pro?
>
> Not much actually. A 13 years old micro 4/3 camera with an ancient 12MP
> sensor still beats the iphone 14:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J81wNyy-7pw&t=82s

I do take your point. :-)

Do you recommend buying old cameras rather than new? If so, HOW old
would you suggest? Can you spot anything interesting on the UK Ebay
site, for instance?

In article <O7_%K.257473$GzSf.232346@fx04.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:

> Do you recommend buying old cameras rather than new? If so, HOW old
> would you suggest?

all the cool kids are making daguerrotypes.

Am 07.10.2022 um 20:22 schrieb David Brooks:
> On 07/10/2022 17:42, Alfred Molon wrote:
>> Am 04.10.2022 um 19:40 schrieb David Brooks:
>>> On 04/10/2022 18:00, Alfred Molon wrote:
>>>> Am 04.10.2022 um 16:21 schrieb sms:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/Apple/iPhone-14-Pro>
>>>>>
>>>>> The highest score of any phone sold in the U.S., and the second
>>>>> highest in the world (that they've tested).
>>>>
>>>> They rank it 2nd behind the Honor Magic4 Ultimate.
>>>> https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/
>>>>
>>>> But personally, I wouldn't spend so much money for a smartphone.
>>>
>>> How much would you need to spend on a camera which would take
>>> photographs of the quality attainable by using an iPhone 14 Pro?
>>
>> Not much actually. A 13 years old micro 4/3 camera with an ancient
>> 12MP sensor still beats the iphone 14:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J81wNyy-7pw&t=82s
>
> I do take your point. :-)
>
> Do you recommend buying old cameras rather than new? If so, HOW old
> would you suggest? Can you spot anything interesting on the UK Ebay
> site, for instance?

If you don't need 40+ MP and 16MP are enough, you could buy a used
Olympus E-M10 with the kit lens. Great value and you have the option of
adding dedicated lenses (i.e. macro, ultrawide, tele etc) later. Much
better than spending over 1000 Euro on an overpriced iphone.
--
Alfred Molon

Olympus 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras forum at
https://groups.io/g/myolympus
https://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

On 08/10/2022 09:34, Alfred Molon wrote:
> If you don't need 40+ MP and 16MP are enough, you could buy a used
> Olympus E-M10 with the kit lens. Great value and you have the option of
> adding dedicated lenses (i.e. macro, ultrawide, tele etc) later. Much
> better than spending over 1000 Euro on an overpriced iphone.

Although I have a Panasonic rather than Olympus camera body, I can highly
recommend the Olympus macro (good working distance), 8-16 mm zoom wide-angle
(16-32 mm equivalent), and 8 mm "body cap" fisheye wide-angle MFT lenses.

I must confess that these days I use the Google Pixel 6 Pro phone much more
than the "big" camera.
--
Cheers,
David
Web: https://www.satsignal.eu

On Thursday, 6 October 2022 at 20:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> On 06/10/2022 14:30, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 5 October 2022 at 16:24:54 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> >> On 05/10/2022 14:22, nospam wrote:
> >>> In article <7za%K.1023598$%q2.3...@fx15.ams1>, David Brooks
> >>> <B...@not.on.your.life> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>> Do you consider that THIS software
> >> https://www.topazlabs.com/topaz-photo-ai
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would be a better investment than buying a new iPhone 14 Pro?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> which cell carrier does that software work with?
> >>>>
> >>>> How is that relevant?
> >>>
> >>> comparing a phone to software is well beyond stupid.
> >> I agree. 😂 I'm glad I didn't do that.
> >>> they are two *very* different things, for very different purposes.
> >> I agree. They are. 😂
> >>>>>> Serious question!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> no it isn't.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, it is.
> >>>
> >>> no, it isn't.
> >> I will put your penchant for child-like silliness down to senility and
> >> will forgive you. ❤️
> >>
> >> The iPhone *takes* a photograph.
> >>
> >> The software *enhances* a photograph.
> >
> > So presently 2 different things.
> Agreed.
> >> If the result of the enhancement by the software was to provide a better
> >> viewable image (from a photograph taken with my current iPhone SE) than
> >> a basic photograph taken with the iPhone 14, it would appear to preclude
> >> the need to purchase an iPhone 14.
> >
> > So you'd need 2 things rather than one.
> >
> >>
> >> Do you really consider that false?
> >
> > I do.
> >
> > If you rephrase the question and ask which is best an iphone SE and using 3rd party software enhancemeant
> > or buying a new iPhone 14, would be a more valid question.
> > But it would also depend on whether you use you present iPhone for anything other than photography,
> > so the answer might be buy a proper camera NOT an iPhone.
>
> I take your point. I'd be a bit lost without a 'phone nowadays!
>
> So a camera-and-phone all-in-one is my best bet. Thanks.

Well depends what you want here's my first movie of the moon in 4K , need to play a more to get the best.

But the differnce between men and boys is the size of their toys ;-)

David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> On 08/10/2022 09:34, Alfred Molon wrote:
>> If you don't need 40+ MP and 16MP are enough, you could buy a
>> used Olympus E-M10 with the kit lens. Great value and you have
>> the option of adding dedicated lenses (i.e. macro, ultrawide,
>> tele etc) later. Much better than spending over 1000 Euro on an
>> overpriced iphone.
>
> Although I have a Panasonic rather than Olympus camera body, I
> can highly recommend the Olympus macro (good working distance),
> 8-16 mm zoom wide-angle (16-32 mm equivalent), and 8 mm "body
> cap" fisheye wide-angle MFT lenses.
>

I have a Panasonic GM5 with the Olympus bodycap lens, and unlike
many a smartphone it fits in any of my shirt pockets and I don't
even feel it's there! The lens has 140 degrees angle of view
(equivalent to a 14mm lens in 35mm terms when defished) and is
good enough to enlarge to A3 size with a bit of unsharp masking at
the corners.

My whole kit (fisheye plus OM 9-18mm & Pana 45-150mm zooms, equiv
to 18-36mm & 90-300mm) weighs about 600g, which may be more than a
smartphone but is less than just my 70-200/f2.8 zoom weighed in my
35mm days!

I've tried the Olympus E-M10 too, the quality is better and it has
good IBIS but it simply won't fit in anything smaller than a coat
pocket even with the bodycap lens attached!

On Wednesday, 12 October 2022 at 13:44:03 UTC+1, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Thursday, 6 October 2022 at 20:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:

> Well depends what you want here's my first movie of the moon in 4K , need to play a more to get the best.

Just noticed that the lose nut on the keyboard made me forget to post the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8ZyUI0YZw
>
> But the differnce between men and boys is the size of their toys ;-)

On 13/10/2022 13:14, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 October 2022 at 13:44:03 UTC+1, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> On Thursday, 6 October 2022 at 20:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
>
>> Well depends what you want here's my first movie of the moon in 4K , need to play a more to get the best.
>
> Just noticed that the lose nut on the keyboard made me forget to post the link.

I was going to nag - then decided to wait and see if you would notice!

What's this about a loose nut - at first I thought you meant PEBKAC?

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8ZyUI0YZw
>>
>> But the difference between men and boys is the size of their toys ;-)

I must confess that the iPhone SE is much more comfortable to carry/use.

--
David

On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 14:34:04 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> On 13/10/2022 13:14, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 12 October 2022 at 13:44:03 UTC+1, Whisky-dave wrote:
> >> On Thursday, 6 October 2022 at 20:32:48 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> >
> >> Well depends what you want here's my first movie of the moon in 4K , need to play a more to get the best.
> >
> > Just noticed that the lose nut on the keyboard made me forget to post the link.
> I was going to nag - then decided to wait and see if you would notice!
>
> What's this about a loose nut - at first I thought you meant PEBKAC?
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8ZyUI0YZw
> >>
> >> But the difference between men and boys is the size of their toys ;-)
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> I must confess that the iPhone SE is much more comfortable to carry/use.

true & much more convient than my lens of 105mm diameter, 260mm long and 1.8KG
but I doubt you'll get a good moonshot with an SE,or even an iPhone14.

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> David