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 by: Giovanni - Wed, 24 Jan 2024 12:28 UTC

> > Giovanni myself wrote:
> > Stationmaster Bob is standing in the center of the station
> > and the conductor Alice is stopped in the center of the infamous one
> > Einstein train, train moving relative to respect
> > at the station.
> > When Alice is exactly in front of Bob, for Bob,
> > two stones hit the head and tail of the train simultaneously.
> > Since at the head of the train and at the tail of the train, I am
> > positioned two electronic devices that relaunch
> > the 2 stones towards Alice and obviously also towards Bob,
> > it ends up that the 2 stones reach simultaneously
> > both Bob and Alice, who are in fact touched
> > from the 2 stones at the same time.

> gino-ansel from Italy wrote
> with reference to:
> https://sites.google.com/view/errore-sistematico-di-einstein/english?authuser=0
> it is not possible because in the flight time of the stones
> Alice has moved on from Bob

And certainly that Alice has moved from Bob, as it is also mathematically certain and universally recognized and shared by all physicists in the world that Bob and Alice are touched by the 2 stones at the same time.

The accounts are mathematically reported from 04.27.2023 on the web page:

https://sites.google.com/view/lasimultaneitarelativa/01-la-scelta-ritenuta-obbligatoria-da-parte-di-einstein-di-impiegare-la?authuser=0

accounts which I will only talk about here in words to simplify the matter even more, but also to summarize it:

- Bob, using the property of the independence of the speed of a wave from the speed of the source, does the math and says: the 2 events are simultaneous for me, given that the 2 times it takes for the 2 waves to reach me are identical, in fact it is enough to do : "space/speed", formula which is numerically identical for the 2 events, the numerator and denominator of the "space/speed" fraction being identical, vice versa the two events are not simultaneous for Alice because Alice, moving forward together with the train, sees the train arriving first wave front starting from the head of the train and then the one starting from the tail of the train

- Alice, using the relaunch of the 2 stones, does the math and says: the 2 events are simultaneous for me, given that the 2 times that the 2 stones take to reach me are identical, in fact it is enough to do: "space/velocity", a formula which is numerically identical for the 2 events, the numerator and denominator of the "space/speed" fraction being identical, with the 2 events being simultaneous also for Bob given that the 2 times it takes the 2 stones to reach me are identical, the reason is because, according to universally recognized and shared physics, for Bob the stone coming from the head of the train travels a shorter space at a speed decreased than that of the train, while the stone coming from the tail of the train travels a greater space at a speed this time increased than that of the train.

> right, but the two stones thrown from Bob's head
> and tail have different speeds

And certainly that compared to Bob they have different speeds, and this is due to universally recognized and shared physics, but always due to universally recognized and shared physics, the distance covered by the tail of the train must be increased, while the distance covered by the head of the train must be decreased .

Giovanni from Italy.

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> > io stesso Giovanni ho scritto:
> > Il capostazione Bob è fermo al centro della stazione
> > e la capotreno Alice è ferma al centro del famigerato
> > treno di Einstein, treno in movimento relativo rispetto
> > alla stazione.
> > Quando Alice è esattamente di fronte a Bob, per Bob,
> > due pietre colpiscono simultaneamente la testa e la coda del treno.
> > Siccome in testa al treno e in coda al treno, sono
> > posizionati due dispositivi elettronici che rilanciano
> > le 2 pietre verso Alice e ovviamente anche verso Bob,
> > finisce che le 2 pietre raggiungono simultaneamente
> > sia Bob e sia Alice, che infatti vengono sfiorati
> > dalle 2 pietre nel medesimo istante.

> gino-ansel dall'Italia ha scritto
> con riferimento a:
> https://sites.google.com/view/errore-sistematico-di-einstein/english?authuser=0
> non è possibile perché nel tempo di volo dei sassi
> Alice si è spostata da Bob

E certamente che Alice si è spostata da Bob, come è anche matematicamente certo e universalmente riconosciuto e condiviso da tutti i fisici del mondo che Bob e Alice vengono sfiorati dalle 2 pietre nel medesimo istante.

I conti sono matematicamente riportati dal 27.04.2023 sulla pagina web:

https://sites.google.com/view/lasimultaneitarelativa/01-la-scelta-ritenuta-obbligatoria-da-parte-di-einstein-di-impiegare-la?authuser=0

conti dei quali parlerò qui solo a parole per semplificare ancor più la cosa, ma anche per sintetizzarla:

- Bob utilizzando la proprietà dell'indipendenza della velocità di un'onda dalla velocità della sorgente fa i conti e dice: i 2 eventi sono per me simultanei, dato che sono identici i 2 tempi che impiegano le 2 onde per raggiungermi, basta infatti fare: "spazio/velocità", formula che è numericamente identica per i 2 eventi, essendo identici numeratore e denominatore della frazione "spazio/velocità", viceversa i due eventi non sono simultanei per Alice perché Alice avanzando insieme al treno, vede arrivare prima il fronte d'onda partito dalla testa del treno e poi quello partito dalla coda del treno

- Alice utilizzando il rilancio dei 2 sassi fa i conti e dice: i 2 eventi sono per me simultanei, dato che sono identici i 2 tempi che impiegano i 2 sassi per raggiungermi, basta infatti fare: "spazio/velocità", formula che è numericamente identica per i 2 eventi, essendo identici numeratore e denominatore della frazione "spazio/velocità", con i 2 eventi che sono simultanei anche per Bob dato che sono identici i 2 tempi che impiegano i 2 sassi per raggiungermi, il motivo è perché, secondo la fisica universalmente riconosciuta e condivisa, per Bob la pietra proveniente dalla testa del treno, percorre uno spazio inferiore ad una velocità diminuita di quella del treno, mentre la pietra proveniente dalla coda del treno, percorre uno spazio maggiore ad una velocità questa volta maggiorata di quella del treno.

> giusto, ma le due pietre lanciate da testa e coda
> rispetto a Bob hanno velocità diverse

E certamente che rispetto a Bob hanno velocità diverse, e ciò per la fisica universalmente riconosciuta e condivisa, ma sempre per la fisica universalmente riconosciuta e condivisa, lo spazio percorso dalla coda del treno va aumentata, mentre lo spazio percorso dalla testa del treno va diminuita.

Giovanni dall'Italia.

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