New 'Assembly Theory' unifies physics and biology to explain evolution and complexity
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/10/231004132440.htm
Summary:
An international team of researchers has developed a new theoretical framework
that bridges physics and biology to provide a unified approach for understanding
how complexity and evolution emerge in nature.
This new work on 'Assembly Theory' represents a major advance in our fundamental comprehension
of biological evolution and how it is governed by the physical laws of the universe.

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Jan Panteltje wrote:
> New 'Assembly Theory' unifies physics and biology to explain
> evolution and complexity
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/10/231004132440.htm
> Summary:
> An international team of researchers has developed a new
> theoretical framework that bridges physics and biology to provide
> a unified approach for understanding how complexity and evolution
> emerge in nature. This new work on 'Assembly Theory' represents a
> major advance in our fundamental comprehension of biological
> evolution and how it is governed by the physical laws of the
> universe.

It doesn't say why the theory is necessary, so is it because of the low
probability of mutations being viable, and the number of generations
since life began being a few dozen orders of magnitude too small for
evolution to be the result of random mutation?

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On a sunny day (Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:49:39 -0400) it happened "Tom Del Rosso"
<fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in
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>Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> New 'Assembly Theory' unifies physics and biology to explain
>> evolution and complexity
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/10/231004132440.htm
>> Summary:
>> An international team of researchers has developed a new
>> theoretical framework that bridges physics and biology to provide
>> a unified approach for understanding how complexity and evolution
>> emerge in nature. This new work on 'Assembly Theory' represents a
>> major advance in our fundamental comprehension of biological
>> evolution and how it is governed by the physical laws of the
>> universe.
>
>It doesn't say why the theory is necessary, so is it because of the low
>probability of mutations being viable, and the number of generations
>since life began being a few dozen orders of magnitude too small for
>evolution to be the result of random mutation?

I think 'random' is the thinking error

I have written here long before that article
'just like primordial particles form atoms (quarks do etc) and atoms
combine into elements, that is not random'
And all those chemicals WILL interact if they come in contact and
form all sort of things, and complexity ever increases..
Until us making cellphones etc.
'Probability' is 100%

Of course it is not what some religious dogma tells us (earth created by a God 4000 years ago for example).
As somebody here pointed out: Those religious leaders will try any misuse of math and understanding to brainwash
people so they can control them and have them pay for their palaces and lives.

It is all very simple, quarks and whatever smaller CERN is looking for, atoms, periodic system, VERY structured, nothing random, to ever more complex stuff
and that includes us, just a chemical structure if you will, making ever more complex structures
planes, cars, spacecraft...
Fascinating, is there an end? takes time, is there an end to time.. (one for the philosophers) ;-)) ?

I once did read 'if you cannot draw your theory on a singe sheet of A4 paper then it is likely wrong'
This is simple enough I'd think, convinces me.

On 12/10/2023 05:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:49:39 -0400) it happened "Tom Del Rosso"
> <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in
> <ug7j21$28lu2$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> New 'Assembly Theory' unifies physics and biology to explain
>>> evolution and complexity
>>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/10/231004132440.htm
>>> Summary:
>>> An international team of researchers has developed a new
>>> theoretical framework that bridges physics and biology to provide
>>> a unified approach for understanding how complexity and evolution
>>> emerge in nature. This new work on 'Assembly Theory' represents a
>>> major advance in our fundamental comprehension of biological
>>> evolution and how it is governed by the physical laws of the
>>> universe.
>>
>> It doesn't say why the theory is necessary, so is it because of the low
>> probability of mutations being viable, and the number of generations
>> since life began being a few dozen orders of magnitude too small for
>> evolution to be the result of random mutation?
>
> I think 'random' is the thinking error

Copying errors are somewhat random. The full paper is available on arXiv
if you want to see all the gory details. I haven't read it in full yet
but they consider how synthetic chemicals and peptides might arise ab
initio and then work out rules governing their combinatorials.

Essentially they are trying to work in intermediate sized Lego bricks at
a molecular and peptide level to look for the permutations that are self
catalysing of copying themselves. It might well be a breakthrough.

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2206/2206.02279.pdf
>
> I have written here long before that article
> 'just like primordial particles form atoms (quarks do etc) and atoms
> combine into elements, that is not random'
> And all those chemicals WILL interact if they come in contact and
> form all sort of things, and complexity ever increases..

There are a hierarchy of rules governing reactions. The ones that are
most interesting for bootstrapping life are those that result in short
polymer chains that are themselves catalysts or intermediates for making
catalysts that can then self replicate. AT is an attempt to codify how
that might happen and establish some ground rules and heuristics. It may
even help guide lab chemists or simulations to explore its possibilities.

> Of course it is not what some religious dogma tells us (earth created by a God 4000 years ago for example).
> As somebody here pointed out: Those religious leaders will try any misuse of math and understanding to brainwash
> people so they can control them and have them pay for their palaces and lives.
>
> It is all very simple, quarks and whatever smaller CERN is looking for, atoms, periodic system, VERY structured, nothing random, to ever more complex stuff
> and that includes us, just a chemical structure if you will, making ever more complex structures
> planes, cars, spacecraft...
> Fascinating, is there an end? takes time, is there an end to time.. (one for the philosophers) ;-)) ?
>
> I once did read 'if you cannot draw your theory on a singe sheet of A4 paper then it is likely wrong'
> This is simple enough I'd think, convinces me.
>
>

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On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 3:47:52 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:49:39 -0400) it happened "Tom Del Rosso"
> <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote in
> <ug7j21$28lu2$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

> I once did read 'if you cannot draw your theory on a singe sheet of A4 paper then it is likely wrong'
> This is simple enough I'd think, convinces me.

The Le Sage theory of gravity is simple enough to convince you, but nobody who can think straight.

If you can put your theory on a single sheet of A4 you've probably invented a remarkably compact notation to express it.

Paul Dirac's bra-ket notation comes to mind. He invented it in 1939

https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry_Textbook_Maps/Supplemental_Modules_(Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry)/Quantum_Mechanics/03._The_Tools_of_Quantum_Mechanics/Bra-Ket_Notation

He got his Nobel prize in 1933, so he could express himself clearly enough i less compact notation.

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