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* Car won't start...Michael Trew
+* Re: Car won't start...Snag
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+- Re: Car won't start...Scott Dorsey
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Subject: Car won't start...
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 by: Michael Trew - Fri, 31 Dec 2021 03:55 UTC

Aforementioned 1968 Ford Galaxie 302 engine won't start. It cranks over
just fine, but won't try to catch or even "pop off" just once. Seems
exactly like a no-spark condition.

It's been a wet day, so I popped the distributor cap, but no
condensation. Wiped off the metal parts and rotor anyway (not dirty).
I pulled a random plug wire and put a spark tester on it, resting on the
block. It sure lit up, that cylinder had spark.

Drats... I really thought that the coil went, but it still has spark to
the distributor cap. I dumped a bit of fuel down the throttle. No
difference. Cranks just fine, but it won't even pop as if it were
trying to catch; not even on one cylinder.

I guess I'll try again in the morning. Any ideas? How ironic that I
get stumped like this, after posting a couple of times today how old
cars are so much easier to work on... LOL. Thanks in advance.

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Subject: Re: Car won't start...
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:45:53 -0600
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 by: Snag - Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:45 UTC

On 12/30/2021 9:55 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> Aforementioned 1968 Ford Galaxie 302 engine won't start.  It cranks over
> just fine, but won't try to catch or even "pop off" just once.  Seems
> exactly like a no-spark condition.
>
> It's been a wet day, so I popped the distributor cap, but no
> condensation.  Wiped off the metal parts and rotor anyway (not dirty). I
> pulled a random plug wire and put a spark tester on it, resting on the
> block.  It sure lit up, that cylinder had spark.
>
> Drats... I really thought that the coil went, but it still has spark to
> the distributor cap.  I dumped a bit of fuel down the throttle.  No
> difference.  Cranks just fine, but it won't even pop as if it were
> trying to catch; not even on one cylinder.
>
> I guess I'll try again in the morning.  Any ideas?  How ironic that I
> get stumped like this, after posting a couple of times today how old
> cars are so much easier to work on... LOL.  Thanks in advance.

How many miles on the timing chain ? Put a timing light on it and see
when the spark occurs .
--
Snag
Let's Go Brandon !

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From: klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
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Subject: Re: Car won't start...
Date: 31 Dec 2021 14:30:05 -0000
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 by: Scott Dorsey - Fri, 31 Dec 2021 14:30 UTC

On 12/30/2021 9:55 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> Drats... I really thought that the coil went, but it still has spark to
> the distributor cap.  I dumped a bit of fuel down the throttle.  No
> difference.  Cranks just fine, but it won't even pop as if it were
> trying to catch; not even on one cylinder.

If it's not spark and it's not fuel, it's air or timing. First step is to
get out the timing light.
> I guess I'll try again in the morning.  Any ideas?  How ironic that I
> get stumped like this, after posting a couple of times today how old
> cars are so much easier to work on... LOL.  Thanks in advance.

If you had a newer car, you could go into the menus and look at a plot of the
crankshaft position sensor and the timing diagram without even having to get
your hands dirty.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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From: am...@yellowjersey.org (AMuzi)
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Subject: Re: Car won't start...
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 08:58:36 -0600
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 by: AMuzi - Fri, 31 Dec 2021 14:58 UTC

On 12/30/2021 9:55 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> Aforementioned 1968 Ford Galaxie 302 engine won't start. It
> cranks over just fine, but won't try to catch or even "pop
> off" just once. Seems exactly like a no-spark condition.
>
> It's been a wet day, so I popped the distributor cap, but no
> condensation. Wiped off the metal parts and rotor anyway
> (not dirty). I pulled a random plug wire and put a spark
> tester on it, resting on the block. It sure lit up, that
> cylinder had spark.
>
> Drats... I really thought that the coil went, but it still
> has spark to the distributor cap. I dumped a bit of fuel
> down the throttle. No difference. Cranks just fine, but it
> won't even pop as if it were trying to catch; not even on
> one cylinder.
>
> I guess I'll try again in the morning. Any ideas? How
> ironic that I get stumped like this, after posting a couple
> of times today how old cars are so much easier to work on...
> LOL. Thanks in advance.

Is 'a bit of fuel' something like 1/4oz? More than 'a bit'
makes its own trouble. Try ether instead.

If not a fuel problem, likely a timing issue. Does your
distributor turn easily (clamp bolt not tight)? May have
wandered. If it's tight, check position with timing light
since you have spark.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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From: michael....@att.net (Michael Trew)
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Subject: Re: Car won't start...
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:47:59 -0500
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 by: Michael Trew - Sat, 1 Jan 2022 02:47 UTC

On 12/31/2021 7:45, Snag wrote:
> On 12/30/2021 9:55 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> Aforementioned 1968 Ford Galaxie 302 engine won't start. It cranks
>> over just fine, but won't try to catch or even "pop off" just once.
>> Seems exactly like a no-spark condition.
>>
>> It's been a wet day, so I popped the distributor cap, but no
>> condensation. Wiped off the metal parts and rotor anyway (not dirty).
>> I pulled a random plug wire and put a spark tester on it, resting on
>> the block. It sure lit up, that cylinder had spark.
>>
>> Drats... I really thought that the coil went, but it still has spark
>> to the distributor cap. I dumped a bit of fuel down the throttle. No
>> difference. Cranks just fine, but it won't even pop as if it were
>> trying to catch; not even on one cylinder.
>>
>> I guess I'll try again in the morning. Any ideas? How ironic that I
>> get stumped like this, after posting a couple of times today how old
>> cars are so much easier to work on... LOL. Thanks in advance.
>
> How many miles on the timing chain ? Put a timing light on it and see
> when the spark occurs .

Thanks all. I considered timing after I went to bed. Same issue in the
morning when cranking. Late this afternoon, I came back to tear into
it, but it fired right up, how odd.

I pulled each spark plug afterward, and they weren't bad looking. I
sanded them down, checked the gap to about .035. I also took a brass
wire brush to the contacts inside of the distributor cap. All in all,
it's actually running a bit more smoothly than before. Plugs are wires
didn't look too old.

I'll be in for a carburetor rebuild not too long from now. Probably a
fuel filter also. It starts to die when you first get into the
throttle, unless you feather it. It was sitting in a garage for
decades. I guess the last guy did a quick tuneup and got bored.

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