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 by: The Starmaker - Wed, 20 Mar 2024 06:22 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 19.03.2024 o� 20:09, The Starmaker pisze:
> > Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>
> >> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
> >>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
> >>>>>>>>>>> ??
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
> >>>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
> >>>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
> >>>>>>>> times?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
> >>>>>>>>> shadows!"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And - are zone times times or are they
> >>>>>> something else?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All time measures are intervals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
> >>>>> that event and some other event.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
> >>>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
> >>>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
> >>>>> born 24 times on a single day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TH
> >>>>
> >>>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
> >>>> measure the movement of the shadow.
> >>>>
> >>>> This measure you often called 'time'.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
> >>>> shadow or no shadow.
> >>>>
> >>>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
> >>>> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
> >>>>
> >>>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
> >>> shadow.
> >>
> >> And?
> >> Are zone times times or are they
> >> something else?
> >
> >
> > zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across
> > the face of the earth.
>
> Finally. An answer.
> Who has told you that time can't be just Sun's
> shadow moving across the face of the earth?


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 by: Thomas Heger - Wed, 20 Mar 2024 07:29 UTC

Am 18.03.2024 um 07:54 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
....
>
>>
>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>
>> Time includes also dates.
>
> Time IS a system of assigning dates/hours.
> Measuring intervals is its less important,
> secondary functionality. It's not optmized
> for that and it doesn't have to be optimized
> for that.

NO!!!

You have to distiguish between time (which is the physical phenomenon
you like to measure) and the measurement of that quantity.

Time belongs to nature and exists there for uncertain reasons.

The measurement of time utilises clocks of various kinds, which do NOT
belong to nature (because they are artifacts).

So: natur does not know anything about hours and seconds and uses other
other means than clocks.

>
> Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>
> No. It's 18th march 2024. Most people are unable
> to calculate the interval between 2024-03-18
> and 0001-01-01 correctly. And they don't need
> it at all.

Sure, most people cannot do that without a calculator. But if you need
that number, you find various calculators, which can answer that
question in less than a second.

TH

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:53 UTC

W dniu 20.03.2024 o 07:22, The Starmaker pisze:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 20:09, The Starmaker pisze:
>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> W dniu 19.03.2024 o 09:01, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 18.03.2024 um 06:59 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>> W dniu 18.03.2024 o 00:10, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 21:03, The Starmaker pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 17.03.2024 o 07:55, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 14.03.2024 um 09:42 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2024 o 08:24, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't give a damn to it. So, what kind of objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does use time? Does a rock do? What for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'timelike stable' is a requirement, which all material objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fullfil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since 'timelike stable' requires time (actually a certain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'axis of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, a rock is using time to be "timelike stable".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does it use it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is this "time" of yours? Are UTC, TAI, a zone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time - times, or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I regard matter (e.g. particles) as 'timelike stable patterns'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (of/in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spacetime).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rock is more a crystal than a particle, what is an ensamble of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A particle is modelled as 'timelike stable' because this would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alllow a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modelled by a rock, or modelled by us?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who or what is using "time" concept here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natur is not a modell, but the thing, which we like to modell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, who, or what, can use time to model?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, are UTC, TAI, zone times - times? Or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are something else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones surely are. How about zone times?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are they times or are they something else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Time zones are just...shadows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is asking about time zones, or about shadows.
>>>>>>>>>> Once again: zone times - are they ar aren't they
>>>>>>>>>> times?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The numbers of 't' are just values earthlings put on a shadow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it the Sun's fault earthlings put 'numbers' on shadows?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "Hey, look a dat, they are now putting numbers on my
>>>>>>>>>>> shadows!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Sun sez, "It's just a shadow!!!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Moon sez, "Hey Sun, look at me.. I'm a quarter!!"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Sun says, the Moon says and an idiot hear voices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The U.S. is divided into 11 separate time zones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Each time zone is measured by it's shadow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you put a sundial in one time zone...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's shadows all the way down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And - are zone times times or are they
>>>>>>>> something else?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All time measures are intervals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You set a certain reference point in time and measure the delay between
>>>>>>> that event and some other event.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time includes also dates. Like today is the 18th of march 2024. This is
>>>>>>> a certain number of days past an event called 'birth of Christ'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To the days we add hours, minutes and seconds (and occasionally
>>>>>>> fractions of seconds) and call that 'time'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But this time has nothing to do with sun-dials, because Christ was not
>>>>>>> born 24 times on a single day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you set a certain reference point in the Shadow, and
>>>>>> measure the movement of the shadow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This measure you often called 'time'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, it's just the sun's shadow...there is no time. It's always Now,
>>>>>> shadow or no shadow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sun is just going around and around and asks, "What are you guys
>>>>>> doing, it's just a shadow?!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Pay no mind to us Sun, we are just trying to synchronize out sundials."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, the big hand on the clock is in fact...a mechanical
>>>>> shadow.
>>>>
>>>> And?
>>>> Are zone times times or are they
>>>> something else?
>>>
>>>
>>> zone times are not times...it is just the Sun's 'shadow' moving across
>>> the face of the earth.
>>
>> Finally. An answer.
>> Who has told you that time can't be just Sun's
>> shadow moving across the face of the earth?
>
> There are no intervals, no points...the shadow is continious.
>
> The Sun does not go tic, then tok. no intervals, no points...the shadow
> is continious.
>
> There is no time.


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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Wed, 20 Mar 2024 14:22 UTC

W dniu 20.03.2024 o 08:29, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am 18.03.2024 um 07:54 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> ...
>>
>>>
>>> This measure is often called 'time'.
>>>
>>> Time includes also dates.
>>
>> Time IS a system of assigning dates/hours.
>> Measuring intervals is its less important,
>> secondary functionality. It's not optmized
>> for that and it doesn't have to be optimized
>> for that.
>
> NO!!!
>
> You have to distiguish between time (which is the physical phenomenon
> you like to measure)

It is not. Your delusions are just delusions,
time of the reality is what it is, screaming
"NO!!!!" won't help.

>
> Time belongs to nature and exists there for uncertain reasons.

Delusions. What we're calling "time" is an entity
like uTIMEc, TIMEai, zone TIMEs. They have
nothing in common with nature.
What YOU're calling time - well, you can't even
tell us what it is. That's all a sane person needs
to know about it.

>> No. It's 18th march 2024. Most people are unable
>> to calculate the interval between 2024-03-18
>> and 0001-01-01 correctly. And they don't need
>> it at all.
>
> Sure, most people cannot do that without a calculatorBut if you need
> that number, you find various calculators, which can  answer that
> question in less than a second.

And the answer will be, most likely, wrong. Just checked
with postgres database. It doesn't know that the first date
is gregorian and the other is julian - and it doesn't know
the difference. I bet you don't know the difference too.
Welcome to the real world?

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 by: Python - Wed, 20 Mar 2024 15:10 UTC

Le 20/03/2024 à 15:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

> And the answer will be, most likely,  wrong. Just checked
> with postgres database. It doesn't know that the first date
> is gregorian and the other is julian - and it doesn't know
> the difference. I bet you don't know the difference too.
> Welcome to the real world?

$ cal 9 1752
September 1752
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datetime-units-history.html

(for those interested by the subject btw, there is no point
to reply to asinine Wozniak's post)

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Python wrote:

> Le 20/03/2024 à 15:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>
>> And the answer will be, most likely,  wrong. Just checked with postgres
>> database. It doesn't know that the first date is gregorian and the
>> other is julian - and it doesn't know the difference. I bet you don't
>> know the difference too. Welcome to the real world?
>
> $ cal 9 1752 September 1752 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 14 15
> 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datetime-units-history.html
> (for those interested by the subject btw, there is no point to reply to
> asinine Wozniak's post)

yes sure

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱_𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗮𝘆_𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁_𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵_𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮𝗻_𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀_–_𝗲𝘅-𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿
A former Kiev official floated the idea in response to Washington’s “loan”
proposal
https://r%74.com/russia/594578-ukraine-repay-west-loan/

That's what this whole war was about to begin with. Carve up Russia and
give it to the Jewish oligarchs. That simple.

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 by: Thomas Heger - Thu, 21 Mar 2024 06:37 UTC

Am 17.03.2024 um 10:05 schrieb Chellos Leontarakis:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>> not in physics, my friend. Try 𝙣𝙚𝙬_𝙖𝙜𝙚, 𝙘𝙖𝙗𝙗𝙖𝙡𝙖𝙝 etc, but that's
>>> stupid. The time used in physics is pretty well defined, 𝗔𝗡𝗗_𝗨𝗦𝗘𝗗, by
>>> consent. You
>>
>> I'm not quite certain, what you are trying to say.
>> In physics time is a quantity and measured in seconds. But that does not
>> say very much about how long a second is and why time exists in the
>> first place.
>
> 𝗶𝘁'𝘀_𝗡𝗢𝗧 a quantity, me frendo, but a fundamental dimension of the world.
I always distinguish between a quantity and the measurement of this
quantity.

E.g.

'length' is a (physical) quantity and is measured in meters.

The meter is therefore not a quantity, but a measure (acutally a 'unit
of measurement').

The term 'dimension' enters into the picture through mathematics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension_(physics)

"In engineering and science, dimensional analysis is the analysis of the
relationships between different physical quantities by identifying their
base quantities (such as length, mass, time, and electric current) and
units of measurement (such as metres and grams) and tracking these
dimensions as calculations or comparisons are performed. "

It is here not advised to confuse the different uses of the term
'dimension'. E.g. Euclidean space has three dimensions and spacetime
four. But these dimensions are not the same.

TH

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Thu, 21 Mar 2024 09:08 UTC

W dniu 20.03.2024 o 16:10, Python pisze:
> Le 20/03/2024 à 15:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>
>> And the answer will be, most likely,  wrong. Just checked
>> with postgres database. It doesn't know that the first date
>> is gregorian and the other is julian - and it doesn't know
>> the difference. I bet you don't know the difference too.
>> Welcome to the real world?
>
> $ cal 9 1752
>    September 1752
> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
>        1  2 14 15 16
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> 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
>
> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datetime-units-history.html
>
> (for those interested by the subject btw, there is no point
> to reply to asinine Wozniak's post)

Just read the link you provided, poor stinker.
"But, of course, this calendar is only valid for Great Britain and
dominions, not other places. Since it would be difficult and confusing
to try to track the actual calendars that were in use in various places
at various times, PostgreSQL does not try, but rather follows the
Gregorian calendar rules for all dates, even though this method is not
historically accurate."
BTW, have you already learnt what a function is?
Is "for any element of the domain" clause still
confusing you, poor stinker?

>
>
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 by: bertitaylor - Thu, 21 Mar 2024 13:05 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

> Am 28.02.2024 um 23:22 schrieb Huy Kántor Hegedűs:
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>>> Am 26.02.2024 um 21:57 schrieb Piotr Babchenko Bakulev:
>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> For equal time throughout the entire universe we would need a 'master
>>>>> clock', which would synchronize all clocks in existence. But no such
>>>>> thing does (apperently) exist and that's why time is local and clocks
>>>>> depend on the local environment and count something there.
>>>>
>>>> actually it does, it's called Entropy. The time difference in
>>>> relativity you get only when you observe non_locally. Very funny
>>>> indeed. As for instance
>>>
>>> Sure, the increase of entropy over time is a known fact.
>>> But that does not say very much about time itself, because time is
>>> required for the increase of entropy in the first place.
>>
>> the Entropy 𝗜𝗦 time. Please stop 𝗻𝗼𝘁 undrestanding tensors. Look at this:
> No, because both terms are related, but not equal.

> Second law of thermodynamics means actually heat distribution.

They had no clue about the radiant nature of heat when they started talking about entropy.
Radiation is essentially force.
With distance it becomes nearly zero from its source.
Creating the overall background radiation.

> Heat dissipates, hence entropy increases.

> But that is not time.

> The concept of time is actually based on counting events, about which we
> assume, they would occur always with the same frequency.

> That was the year or the day in ancient times and later the hour and the
> second.

> Much later men counted the waves in certain kinds of exitations of
> certain atoms.

> But in all cases a process of counting was meant, where the underlying
> frequency was assumed to be universally constant.

> But: that is problematic, because actually we don't know, whether these
> frequencies are universally constant or not.

> This is so, because the second is defined and measured by the same
> process, which frequency we like to measure.

> TH

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 by: Péter Juhász - Thu, 21 Mar 2024 13:46 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

>> 𝗶𝘁'𝘀_𝗡𝗢𝗧 a quantity, me frendo, but a fundamental dimension of the
>> world.
>
> I always distinguish between a quantity and the measurement of this
> quantity. E.g. 'length' is a (physical) quantity and is measured in
> meters.

no, you don't. The meter is the length, not the space, which is a
dimension. You use space to count lengths, here meters.

https://thep%65%6fplesvoice.tv/ lol unbelievable

𝗚𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻_𝗚𝗼𝘃’𝘁_𝗧𝗲𝗹𝗹𝘀_𝗖𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗱𝗿𝗲𝗻_𝗧𝗼_𝗣𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝗲_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝗪𝗼𝗿𝗹𝗱_𝗪𝗮𝗿_3:_“𝗬𝗼𝘂𝗿_𝗣𝗮𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁𝘀_𝗪𝗶𝗹𝗹_𝗗𝗶𝗲
March 20, 2024 Sean Adl-Tabatabai 0
German children have been instructed by the government to “prepare for
World War 3” and expect loved ones, including their parents, to
potentially die in battle. According to Germany’s education Minister
Bettina Stark-Watzinger, children in […]

fucking braindead, my butt. Assholes. When your lying corrupt gov wants
you dead, for the lies they emit. They bomb their industry and wants you
dead, my butt.

𝗚𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻_𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗱𝗿𝗲𝗻_‘𝗺𝘂𝘀𝘁_𝗯𝗲_𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝗲𝗱_𝗳𝗼𝗿_𝘄𝗮𝗿’_–_𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿
Military officers should visit schools to build “relaxed” relations with
students, Bettina Stark-Watzinger has suggested
https://r%74.com/news/594550-germany-chidren-prepare-war/

𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_‘𝗼𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗱’_𝗯𝘆_𝗨𝗦_𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗸_𝗼𝗳_𝗹𝗼𝗮𝗻𝘀_–_𝗣𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗼 lol
Kiev wants to know under what conditions it could avoid paying off the
potential debt, the paper’s source claims
https://r%74.com/russia/594615-ukraine-offended-us-loan-idea/

Ukraine was blinded by greed and put all it's eggs in one basket that US-
led Nato would prevail militarily and economically. Now reality has set in
and he is coming down from a drug induced high.

Silly jewlensky, jews don't need to repay loans, talk to Israel.

About 100 years ago Americans promised $50.000 dollars to Nikola Tesla for
his work. They later told him that "𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗼𝗲𝘀𝗻'𝘁 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝘀𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲 𝗼𝗳
𝗵𝘂𝗺𝗼𝘂𝗿" lol

The thief wants to dictate the terms & non-payable status,...enjoy that
USA citizens??

The US Scam has come home to roost.....Poor whining Ukraine. Did they
really think that $100B was gift.... Thick or what? Your next 100 years is
going to be dire!

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 by: Thomas Heger - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 07:03 UTC

Am 21.03.2024 um 14:46 schrieb Péter Juhász:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>> 𝗶𝘁'𝘀_𝗡𝗢𝗧 a quantity, me frendo, but a fundamental dimension of the
>>> world.
>>
>> I always distinguish between a quantity and the measurement of this
>> quantity. E.g. 'length' is a (physical) quantity and is measured in
>> meters.
>
> no, you don't. The meter is the length, not the space, which is a
> dimension. You use space to count lengths, here meters.

I actually do, because 'meter' is the name of a unit, which is used to
measure 'length'.

The length is a physical quantity, which is measured in meters (in the
SI-unit-system), but the meter is not length (because it is a unit and
not a quantity).

'Space' needs an additional qualifier, because it can have several
different uses.

Apparently, you want to address the physical space around you with 'space'.

This space is actually three-dimensional.

If you like to eliminate time-dependency, you end up with Euclidean space.

That space has three dimensions of the type length.

....

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 07:08 UTC

Am 21.03.2024 um 10:08 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 20.03.2024 o 16:10, Python pisze:
>> Le 20/03/2024 à 15:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>
>>> And the answer will be, most likely, wrong. Just checked
>>> with postgres database. It doesn't know that the first date
>>> is gregorian and the other is julian - and it doesn't know
>>> the difference. I bet you don't know the difference too.
>>> Welcome to the real world?
>>
>> $ cal 9 1752
>> September 1752
>> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
>> 1 2 14 15 16
>> 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
>> 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
>>
>> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datetime-units-history.html
>>
>> (for those interested by the subject btw, there is no point
>> to reply to asinine Wozniak's post)
>
> Just read the link you provided, poor stinker.
> "But, of course, this calendar is only valid for Great Britain and
> dominions, not other places. Since it would be difficult and confusing
> to try to track the actual calendars that were in use in various places
> at various times, PostgreSQL does not try, but rather follows the
> Gregorian calendar rules for all dates, even though this method is not
> historically accurate."

Well, yes, but that is not very important (whether or not the calander
is historical correct).

Let's simply assume, that the birth of Christ was the event, from where
all calenders today start.

So, there was an event, and that defined the beginning of current time
MEASURES !

Time itself started a little earlier, of course.

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 07:18 UTC

Am 21.03.2024 um 14:05 schrieb bertitaylor:

>>>> Sure, the increase of entropy over time is a known fact.
>>>> But that does not say very much about time itself, because time is
>>>> required for the increase of entropy in the first place.
>>>
>>> the Entropy 𝗜𝗦 time. Please stop 𝗻𝗼𝘁 undrestanding tensors. Look
>>> at this:
>> No, because both terms are related, but not equal.
>
>> Second law of thermodynamics means actually heat distribution.
>
> They had no clue about the radiant nature of heat when they started
> talking about entropy.

Heat transfer is possible in three different ways:

transport of heated media (convection)
dissipation of heat within some sort of stuff (conduction)
radiation

Therefore it is not true, that thermal energy is always transported by
radiation.

> Radiation is essentially force.

Well, but no.

Actually you (apparently) mean 'fields' with 'essential'.

To call a field 'force' is totally wrong.

The term 'force' stems from the measurement of a field. But fields exist
without measurement.

So, if I decode your statement properly, you like to say, that heat
transfer by radiation utilises the em-field.

That would be actually correct.

> With distance it becomes nearly zero from its source.
> Creating the overall background radiation.

Now you want to explain CMBR?

I personally think, that CMBR has nothing to do with the big-bang, but
is caused by the gravitational field of the Earth.
....

TH

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 09:29 UTC

W dniu 23.03.2024 o 08:08, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am 21.03.2024 um 10:08 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>> W dniu 20.03.2024 o 16:10, Python pisze:
>>> Le 20/03/2024 à 15:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>
>>>> And the answer will be, most likely,  wrong. Just checked
>>>> with postgres database. It doesn't know that the first date
>>>> is gregorian and the other is julian - and it doesn't know
>>>> the difference. I bet you don't know the difference too.
>>>> Welcome to the real world?
>>>
>>> $ cal 9 1752
>>>     September 1752
>>> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
>>>         1  2 14 15 16
>>> 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
>>> 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
>>>
>>> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datetime-units-history.html
>>>
>>> (for those interested by the subject btw, there is no point
>>> to reply to asinine Wozniak's post)
>>
>> Just read the link you provided, poor stinker.
>> "But, of course, this calendar is only valid for Great Britain and
>> dominions, not other places. Since it would be difficult and confusing
>> to try to track the actual calendars that were in use in various places
>> at various times, PostgreSQL does not try, but rather follows the
>> Gregorian calendar rules for all dates, even though this method is not
>> historically accurate."
>
> Well, yes, but that is not very important (whether or not the calander
> is historical correct).

It's not very important that it is incorrect,
because nobody really cares for intervals.

> Let's simply assume, that the birth of Christ was the event, from where
> all calenders today start.

Why not? Why to bother about any reality
when we're about building some magnificient
explainations and formulas?

> So, there was an event, and that defined the beginning of current time
> MEASURES !

So we assumed there was. Well, the assumption is
not true, however.

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 by: bertitaylor - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 10:24 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

> Am 21.03.2024 um 14:05 schrieb bertitaylor:

>>>>> Sure, the increase of entropy over time is a known fact.
>>>>> But that does not say very much about time itself, because time is
>>>>> required for the increase of entropy in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> the Entropy 𝗜𝗦 time. Please stop 𝗻𝗼𝘁 undrestanding tensors. Look
>>>> at this:
>>> No, because both terms are related, but not equal.
>>
>>> Second law of thermodynamics means actually heat distribution.
>>
>> They had no clue about the radiant nature of heat when they started
>> talking about entropy.

> Heat transfer is possible in three different ways:

> transport of heated media (convection)
> dissipation of heat within some sort of stuff (conduction)
> radiation

> Therefore it is not true, that thermal energy is always transported by
> radiation.

I did not say that. What did I say? ">> They had no clue about the radiant nature of heat when they started
>> talking about entropy." Heat engines, laws of thermodynamics (1824) antedated Maxwell and JC Bose.

>> Radiation is essentially force.

> Well, but no.

It is force all right, going by fields magnetic and electric which relate to force. If we believe in aether, radiation as travelling electromagnetic waves using aether medium, etc.

> Actually you (apparently) mean 'fields' with 'essential'.

When I say heat, I mean radiant force, coming from electromagnetic fields, that exert force when something material is impacted.

> To call a field 'force' is totally wrong.

A field causes a force when impacted as I said. The notion of force very much attends an electric field. Look up the basics, relating to classical physics.

> The term 'force' stems from the measurement of a field. But fields exist
> without measurement.

Fields are practical, not theoretical, in classical physics. What exists without measurement cannot be deemed scientific. That way, unicorns, pixies, etc. exist by definition with no need for measurement.

Wherever there is electric force, pushing a current, or affecting charges otherwise, there has to be an electric field.

> So, if I decode your statement properly, you like to say, that heat
> transfer by radiation utilises the em-field.

No, radiation is travelling electromagnetic waves using the aether medium. Wherever this radiation is obstructed, electric forces (leading to voltage potentials) on the surfaces are created, creating currents, that cause the sensation of heat. to humans.

In short, the em-field is not like a soccer field. It is time and space varying electric field spread out from the radiator, to infinity, lessening with distance with the inverse square law.

> That would be actually correct.

>> With distance it becomes nearly zero from its source.
>> Creating the overall background radiation.

> Now you want to explain CMBR?

Easy. The fields from all the stars in the universe add up to form background radiation, universal, and composed of all frequencies. They make electronic oscillators possible. And nanotech too, with nanovoltages to drive nanomachines. The fields from those stars at infinity are zero, most of it from the nearby stars and galaxies.

bt

> I personally think, that CMBR has nothing to do with the big-bang, but
> is caused by the gravitational field of the Earth.
> ....

> TH

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 by: TReena Pooja Kishan - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 17:21 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

>>> I always distinguish between a quantity and the measurement of this
>>> quantity. E.g. 'length' is a (physical) quantity and is measured in
>>> meters.
>>
>> no, you don't. The meter is the length, not the space, which is a
>> dimension. You use space to count lengths, here meters.
>
> I actually do, because 'meter' is the name of a unit, which is used to
> measure 'length'.

ludicrous. The meter is a length in itself, and without space you have no
meter. Undrestand this, space and time are not quantities you measure. You
use them to measure something else. For instance, your government is a
whore. They never stop stealing from other countries with that fake
𝗳𝘂𝗻𝗻𝘆_𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘆 they produce.

𝗜𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗮_𝘀𝘂𝗺𝗺𝗼𝗻𝘀_𝗚𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻_𝗱𝗶𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗺𝗮𝘁_𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿_‘𝗯𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘁_𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗳𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲’
New Delhi lodges formal protest with Berlin after Germany’s comments on
the arrest in India of opposition leader Arvind Kejriwal
https://r%74.com/india/594782-india-summons-german-diplomat-over-kejriwal/

little nazis in germany still think they can lecture the world on justice
etc? lol

Germany has gone crazy after Americans bombed their oil pipeline from
Russia.

Germany, the vassal State of US Imperialist is just speaking for it's
Master. so true indeed, lol

Don't allow Western countries to get involve in your matters. If you gave
them a finger they would take the whole arm. So not even for prudence give
them a break and if you does you lose.

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 by: Yatzyk Trampotova - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 17:39 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

>>>> the Entropy 𝗜𝗦 time. Please stop 𝗻𝗼𝘁 undrestanding tensors. Look at
>>> No, because both terms are related, but not equal.
>>> Second law of thermodynamics means actually heat distribution.
>>
>> They had no clue about the radiant nature of heat when they started
>> talking about entropy.
>
> Heat transfer is possible in three different ways:
> transport of heated media (convection)
> dissipation of heat within some sort of stuff (conduction)
> radiation Therefore it is not true, that thermal energy is always
> transported by radiation.

totally irrelevant. It's about you don't know what time is.

𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀_𝗽𝗹𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗱_𝘁𝗼_𝗳𝗹𝗲𝗲_𝘁𝗼_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_–_𝗙𝗦𝗕
Russia’s domestic security service has reported that four assailants were
detained in Bryansk Region near the border
https://r%74.com/russia/594771-fsb-moscow-terrorists-flee-ukraine/

Anybody wandered why "Islamic State" has not shot single bullet aiming at
Israel?

Faux Noise is already claiming it was ISIS. Anything to deflect from the
Ukrainian Nazis. We shall see. This was horrifying.

If you haven't noticed it already, I will spell it out for you. ISIS is a
creation and under orders by ISrael and USA.

isis is aka al quelda, aka controlled by cia's middle east branch office.

Ukraine learns terrorism tactics from the u.s state department's cia
branch, and using ANY mercenaries they can find, to do the dirty job
inside russia. This is not the first attempt at Terrorism against russia
by cia,mi6 and also by ukraine.

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 by: Zozrov Bakinov Mikha - Sat, 23 Mar 2024 19:40 UTC

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> W dniu 23.03.2024 o 08:08, Thomas Heger pisze:
>> Well, yes, but that is not very important (whether or not the calander
>> is historical correct).
>
> It's not very important that it is incorrect, because nobody really
> cares for intervals.
>
>> Let's simply assume, that the birth of Christ was the event, from where
>> all calenders today start.
>
> Why not? Why to bother about any reality when we're about building some
> magnificient explainations and formulas?

you misundrestand formulas. A formula is an logic macro scale explanation
in short for, As for instance, instead of reading for you 10 pages, it's
done shortly in few lines. Ie like, expect fume in your country of
residence. It's coming. It appears a lot of fume, is about to be released.

𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄,_𝗖𝗿𝗼𝗰𝘂𝘀_𝗖𝗶𝘁𝘆_𝗛𝗮𝗹𝗹;_11_𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱,_4_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀_𝗰𝗮𝗽𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲𝗱.
𝗠𝗲𝗱𝘃𝗲𝗱𝗲𝘃,_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀_𝗺𝘂𝘀𝘁_𝗯𝗲_𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆..
https://www.bi%74%63%68%75te.com/video/WY65JFB-oRA/

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 by: Thomas Heger - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 06:57 UTC

Am 23.03.2024 um 18:21 schrieb TReena Pooja Kishan:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>>> I always distinguish between a quantity and the measurement of this
>>>> quantity. E.g. 'length' is a (physical) quantity and is measured in
>>>> meters.
>>>
>>> no, you don't. The meter is the length, not the space, which is a
>>> dimension. You use space to count lengths, here meters.
>>
>> I actually do, because 'meter' is the name of a unit, which is used to
>> measure 'length'.
>
> ludicrous. The meter is a length in itself, and without space you have no
> meter. Undrestand this, space and time are not quantities you measure. You
> use them to measure something else. For instance, your government is a
> whore. They never stop stealing from other countries with that fake

No, units are used, if you measure something.

This 'something' is what you measure (here: a distance), while the units
(here: meters) belong to the measurement.

A device as simple as a ruler can measure some length. But the ruler or
the inscriptions on it are not length.

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 07:06 UTC

Am 23.03.2024 um 18:39 schrieb Yatzyk Trampotova:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>>>> the Entropy 𝗜𝗦 time. Please stop 𝗻𝗼𝘁 undrestanding tensors. Look at
>>>> No, because both terms are related, but not equal.
>>>> Second law of thermodynamics means actually heat distribution.
>>>
>>> They had no clue about the radiant nature of heat when they started
>>> talking about entropy.
>>
>> Heat transfer is possible in three different ways:
>> transport of heated media (convection)
>> dissipation of heat within some sort of stuff (conduction)
>> radiation Therefore it is not true, that thermal energy is always
>> transported by radiation.
>
> totally irrelevant. It's about you don't know what time is.

Well, yes, because actually most people do not really know what time is.

We have watches and clocks, but do not really know, what makes time move.

....

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 07:03 UTC

Am 23.03.2024 um 10:29 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 23.03.2024 o 08:08, Thomas Heger pisze:
>> Am 21.03.2024 um 10:08 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>> W dniu 20.03.2024 o 16:10, Python pisze:
>>>> Le 20/03/2024 à 15:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> And the answer will be, most likely, wrong. Just checked
>>>>> with postgres database. It doesn't know that the first date
>>>>> is gregorian and the other is julian - and it doesn't know
>>>>> the difference. I bet you don't know the difference too.
>>>>> Welcome to the real world?
>>>>
>>>> $ cal 9 1752
>>>> September 1752
>>>> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
>>>> 1 2 14 15 16
>>>> 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
>>>> 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
>>>>
>>>> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datetime-units-history.html
>>>>
>>>> (for those interested by the subject btw, there is no point
>>>> to reply to asinine Wozniak's post)
>>>
>>> Just read the link you provided, poor stinker.
>>> "But, of course, this calendar is only valid for Great Britain and
>>> dominions, not other places. Since it would be difficult and confusing
>>> to try to track the actual calendars that were in use in various places
>>> at various times, PostgreSQL does not try, but rather follows the
>>> Gregorian calendar rules for all dates, even though this method is not
>>> historically accurate."
>>
>> Well, yes, but that is not very important (whether or not the calander
>> is historical correct).
>
> It's not very important that it is incorrect,
> because nobody really cares for intervals.

A L L (!!!) time measures are actually time-intervals.

Absolute time is impossible to measure, because until now nobody had
found the clock of the universe.

>
>> Let's simply assume, that the birth of Christ was the event, from
>> where all calenders today start.
>
> Why not? Why to bother about any reality
> when we're about building some magnificient
> explainations and formulas?

???

(cannot understand)
>
>> So, there was an event, and that defined the beginning of current time
>> MEASURES !
>
> So we assumed there was. Well, the assumption is
> not true, however.

Possibly you are correct and Christ was not born at that day at all.

But here this is insignificant, because we're discussing the beginning
of our current calender and not the birth of Christ.

TH

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 by: Maciej Wozniak - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 07:17 UTC

W dniu 25.03.2024 o 08:03, Thomas Heger pisze:
> Am 23.03.2024 um 10:29 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>> W dniu 23.03.2024 o 08:08, Thomas Heger pisze:
>>> Am 21.03.2024 um 10:08 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> W dniu 20.03.2024 o 16:10, Python pisze:
>>>>> Le 20/03/2024 à 15:22, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> And the answer will be, most likely,  wrong. Just checked
>>>>>> with postgres database. It doesn't know that the first date
>>>>>> is gregorian and the other is julian - and it doesn't know
>>>>>> the difference. I bet you don't know the difference too.
>>>>>> Welcome to the real world?
>>>>>
>>>>> $ cal 9 1752
>>>>>     September 1752
>>>>> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
>>>>>         1  2 14 15 16
>>>>> 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
>>>>> 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datetime-units-history.html
>>>>>
>>>>> (for those interested by the subject btw, there is no point
>>>>> to reply to asinine Wozniak's post)
>>>>
>>>> Just read the link you provided, poor stinker.
>>>> "But, of course, this calendar is only valid for Great Britain and
>>>> dominions, not other places. Since it would be difficult and confusing
>>>> to try to track the actual calendars that were in use in various places
>>>> at various times, PostgreSQL does not try, but rather follows the
>>>> Gregorian calendar rules for all dates, even though this method is not
>>>> historically accurate."
>>>
>>> Well, yes, but that is not very important (whether or not the calander
>>> is historical correct).
>>
>> It's not very important that it is incorrect,
>> because nobody really  cares for intervals.
>
> A L L   (!!!) time measures are actually time-intervals.

That doesn't make them important.
Clocks are devices to indicate time.
Time - an entity like UTC, TAI, zone
times. More accurately - to indicate
its less significant part (like "16:41"
of "2024-03-20 16:41" for instance).

Stopwatches - the devices designed to measure
intervals - are different, outnumbered vastly
and lacking serious significance.

>>> Let's simply assume, that the birth of Christ was the event, from
>>> where all calenders today start.
>>
>> Why not? Why to bother about any reality
>> when we're about building some magnificient
>> explainations and formulas?
>
> ???
>
> (cannot understand)
>>
>>> So, there was an event, and that defined the beginning of current time
>>> MEASURES !
>>
>> So we assumed there was. Well, the assumption is
>> not true, however.
>
> Possibly you are correct and Christ was not born at that day at all.
>
> But here this is insignificant, because we're discussing the beginning
> of our current calender and not the birth of Christ.

I have a different opinion.
>>> Let's simply assume, that the birth of Christ was the event, from
>>> where all calenders today start.

For me it is significant that what you're assuming
is false.

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Thomas Heger wrote:

>>> radiation Therefore it is not true, that thermal energy is always
>>> transported by radiation.
>>
>> totally irrelevant. It's about you don't know what time is.
>
> Well, yes, because actually most people do not really know what time is.
> We have watches and clocks, but do not really know, what makes time
> move.

yet again, the Entropy "moves", not the time, lol. Here's more for you to
undrestand covid governments, wanting you killed with vaccines.

𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁_𝗵𝗮𝘀_𝗹𝗶𝗲𝗱_𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_–_𝗕𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗶𝘀𝗵_𝗠𝗣
Washington and London were too quick to pin the blame on Islamists, George
Galloway has said
https://www.r%74.com/news/594888-west-lie-moscow-terrorist-attack/
“When the US and the UK and others swiftly tried to reassure me that it
was only ISIS [that] carried out this mass murder in Moscow, I knew
automatically that they were lying,” Galloway said.

He then pointed to what he called suspicious and “unexplained” activities
by some Western politicians and officials, including Kirby’s statement.
READ MORE: Three more suspects in Moscow terrorist attack arrested

The British lawmaker drew particular attention to the fact that the US
official had confirmed that Washington had called on its citizens to stay
away from crowded places in Moscow as recently as the beginning of March

March 7, warning that “extremists” were planning an imminent attack in
Moscow. He still denied that it had anything to do with last Friday’s
assault. “I don’t think that was related to this specific attack,” he
said.

Another episode mentioned by Galloway involved US Undersecretary of State
for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland, who promised some “nice surprises
on the battlefield” for Moscow this year. “Ukraine will make some very
strong success,” she said in January, without providing any further
comments on the issue

Galloway cited these facts as “pieces of evidence” suggesting that “the
US, its NATO allies and their proxy servant… [the] state of Ukraine… were
in fact responsible for this mass murder.”

Biden when asked said NS2 will be gone. And shortly after N S 2 was
destroyed. Nuland not asked, said Russia is in for a surprise and shortly
after the shooting of 137 people happens. Wow, The nastier they are the
better they seem to be at foreseeing the future

What is suspicious is that the attackers were trying to escape to Ukraine
which's border is well protected not to Estonia ,Latvia or Belarus.

About time Russia closes down the American embassy like anywhere else it's
a den of thieves and murderers

Victoria Nuland steps aside, Barrack Hussein Obama visits London, and ISIS
makes a Historic Comeback. That's a lot of coincidences! Only Genocide
Joe's loyal supporters/donors and voters could believe that!

I have it confirmed that western and Israelis are behind behind the whole
thing, isis = Israeli security intelligence services

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 by: Smith Matoke Yamamur - Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:03 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

> A device as simple as a ruler can measure some length. But the ruler or
> the inscriptions on it are not length.

no shit Sherlock.

yet again, the Entropy "moves", not the time, lol. Here's more for you to
undrestand covid governments, wanting you killed with vaccines.

𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁_𝗵𝗮𝘀_𝗹𝗶𝗲𝗱_𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁_𝗠𝗼𝘀𝗰𝗼𝘄_𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁_𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗸_–_𝗕𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗶𝘀𝗵_𝗠𝗣
Washington and London were too quick to pin the blame on Islamists, George
Galloway has said
https://www.r%74.com/news/594888-west-lie-moscow-terrorist-attack/
“When the US and the UK and others swiftly tried to reassure me that it
was only ISIS [that] carried out this mass murder in Moscow, I knew
automatically that they were lying,” Galloway said.

He then pointed to what he called suspicious and “unexplained” activities
by some Western politicians and officials, including Kirby’s statement.
READ MORE: Three more suspects in Moscow terrorist attack arrested

The British lawmaker drew particular attention to the fact that the US
official had confirmed that Washington had called on its citizens to stay
away from crowded places in Moscow as recently as the beginning of March

March 7, warning that “extremists” were planning an imminent attack in
Moscow. He still denied that it had anything to do with last Friday’s
assault. “I don’t think that was related to this specific attack,” he
said. (lol, 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙪𝙥𝙞𝙙 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧 𝙜𝙤𝙮 𝙨𝙖𝙮𝙨 𝙘𝙡𝙚𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙮 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙚 𝙒𝘼𝙎 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙈𝘼𝙎𝙏𝙀𝙍 𝙤𝙛
𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙧𝙤𝙧𝙞𝙨𝙩 𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙖𝙘𝙠. 𝙐𝙣𝙗𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙨𝙩𝙪𝙥𝙞𝙙, 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙨𝙚 𝙠𝙝𝙖𝙯𝙖𝙧 𝙜𝙤𝙮𝙨, 𝙧𝙤𝙗𝙞𝙣g 𝙖𝙢𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙘𝙖)

Another episode mentioned by Galloway involved US Undersecretary of State
for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland, who promised some “nice surprises
on the battlefield” for Moscow this year. “Ukraine will make some very
strong success,” she said in January, without providing any further
comments on the issue

Galloway cited these facts as “pieces of evidence” suggesting that “the
US, its NATO allies and their proxy servant… [the] state of Ukraine… were
in fact responsible for this mass murder.”

Biden when asked said NS2 will be gone. And shortly after N S 2 was
destroyed. Nuland not asked, said Russia is in for a surprise and shortly
after the shooting of 137 people happens. Wow, The nastier they are the
better they seem to be at foreseeing the future

What is suspicious is that the attackers were trying to escape to Ukraine
which's border is well protected not to Estonia ,Latvia or Belarus.

About time Russia closes down the American embassy like anywhere else it's
a den of thieves and murderers

Victoria Nuland steps aside, Barrack Hussein Obama visits London, and ISIS
makes a Historic Comeback. That's a lot of coincidences! Only Genocide
Joe's loyal supporters/donors and voters could believe that!

I have it confirmed that western and Israelis are behind behind the whole
thing, isis = Israeli security intelligence services

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From: banerjee...@gmail.com (Arindam Banerjee)
 by: Arindam Banerjee - Tue, 26 Mar 2024 07:19 UTC

>> I personally think, that CMBR has nothing to do with the big-bang, but
>> is caused by the gravitational field of the Earth.

How does that work?
>> ....
>
>
>> TH


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