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* About 2 nm chipsJan Panteltje
+* Re: About 2 nm chipsJeroen Belleman
|`- Re: About 2 nm chipsMike Monett VE3BTI
`* Re: About 2 nm chipsTTman
 `- Re: About 2 nm chipsJan Panteltje

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From: ali...@comet.invalid (Jan Panteltje)
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Subject: About 2 nm chips
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2023 05:48:22 GMT
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 by: Jan Panteltje - Tue, 12 Dec 2023 05:48 UTC

The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/

Re: About 2 nm chips

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From: jer...@nospam.please (Jeroen Belleman)
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Subject: Re: About 2 nm chips
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 by: Jeroen Belleman - Tue, 12 Dec 2023 09:03 UTC

On 12/12/23 06:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/

Citation:
"Today, terms such as “2 nanometer” and “3 nanometer” are
widely used as shorthand for each new generation of chip,
rather than a semiconductor’s actual physical dimensions."

So I imagine we shall soon have 1nm, 0.5nm, 0.2nm and so on.

Oh, well.

Jeroen Belleman

Re: About 2 nm chips

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From: spa...@not.com (Mike Monett VE3BTI)
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 by: Mike Monett VE3BTI - Tue, 12 Dec 2023 13:50 UTC

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

> On 12/12/23 06:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-
>> and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/
>
>
> Citation:
> "Today, terms such as “2 nanometer” and “3 nanometer” are
> widely used as shorthand for each new generation of chip,
> rather than a semiconductor’s actual physical dimensions."
>
> So I imagine we shall soon have 1nm, 0.5nm, 0.2nm and so on.
>
> Oh, well.
>
> Jeroen Belleman

The size refers to the dimension of the smallest feature. Silicon's atomic
size is about 0.2 nanometers. Today's transistors are about 70 silicon
atoms wide, so the possibility of making them even smaller is itself
shrinking. We're getting very close to the limit of how small we can make a
transistor.

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From: kraken.s...@gmail.com (TTman)
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Subject: Re: About 2 nm chips
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 by: TTman - Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:54 UTC

On 12/12/2023 05:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/
My first custom chip was 5 micron- by Ferranti

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From: ali...@comet.invalid (Jan Panteltje)
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Subject: Re: About 2 nm chips
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 05:34:29 GMT
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 by: Jan Panteltje - Wed, 13 Dec 2023 05:34 UTC

On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Dec 2023 22:54:17 +0000) it happened TTman
<kraken.sankey@gmail.com> wrote in <ulaoaq$3r8bn$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 12/12/2023 05:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm chip
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/the-race-between-intel-samsung-and-tsmc-to-ship-the-first-2nm-chip/
>My first custom chip was 5 micron- by Ferranti

Long ago somebody told me 'with the way ever more integration happens we will be able to store whole movies on a chip'.
I was not so sure, that was before MPEG compression was invented.
Then it really happened, now also without compression...
What's next...?
Indeed the limit is in the size of those Si atoms...

OTOH after WW3 and big EMPs, maybe keep some old tubes for communication...
Radiation effect on atom sized transistors? Chips?

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