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* Save the old Bell Labs as a new ‘Museum of the Internet’jim whitby
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 by: jim whitby - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 06:50 UTC

Many great and wonderful started things there. Communications history in
so many ways came from there, among others.

Anyone else interested?

No idea about what/who/how/when to do something.

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 by: Anthony William Slom - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:45 UTC

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:50:31 PM UTC+11, jim whitby wrote:
> Many great and wonderful started things there. Communications history in
> so many ways came from there, among others.
>
> Anyone else interested?
>
> No idea about what/who/how/when to do something.

Bell Labs didn't have much do with the internet. That started off as ARPANET

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

which had inputs from lots of places - including Donald Davies with whom I collaborated with (in a very small way) when he was at the UK National Physical Laboratory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Davies

The world wide web was built on that but came from CERN Switzerland around 1989.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

The IEEE sets up "milestones" for that kind of stuff.

https://ethw.org/Milestones:List_of_IEEE_Milestones

Bell Labs and Arpanet both have their own milestones.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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 by: Anthony William Slom - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:48 UTC

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:34:04 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:45:40 AM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> > On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:50:31 PM UTC+11, jim whitby wrote:
> > > Many great and wonderful started things there. Communications history in
> > > so many ways came from there, among others.
> > >
> > > Anyone else interested?
> > >
> > > No idea about what/who/how/when to do something.
> >
> > Bell Labs didn't have much do with the internet. That started off as ARPANET
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET
> >
> > which had inputs from lots of places - including Donald Davies with whom I collaborated with (in a very small way) when he was at the UK National Physical Laboratory
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Davies
> >
> > The world wide web was built on that but came from CERN in Switzerland around 1989.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee
> >
> > The IEEE sets up "milestones" for that kind of stuff.
> >
> > https://ethw.org/Milestones:List_of_IEEE_Milestones
> >
> > Bell Labs and Arpanet both have their own milestones.
>
> You wouldn't know a milestone if it fell off a high shelf and hit you on the head:

IEEE "milestones" are exercises in documentation, rather than masonry. Your own grasp if the concept does seem to be imperfect.
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> https://www.nature.com/articles/s42254-022-00426-6
> Article is written by a sycophant. Things didn't go as perfectly well as the sycophant makes it out to be.

Articles are written to fit the space available. Writing a more complete history would have taken more words than Nature would have been prepared to publish. Bell Labs doesn't have anything to offer sycophants - it's a shadow of it's former self - and no sycophant would waste their time flattering it.
> CERN is bureaucratic mediocrity.

Some of the time. Every working organisation has its share of bureaucrats, and keeping the organisation ticking over can be handle by mediocrities.
The World Wide Web wasn't a mdeiocre achievement.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

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