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* Language started 1.5 million years earlier than previously thoughtbruce bowser
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 `* Re: Language started 1.5 million years earlier than previously thoughtPeter T. Daniels
  `* Re: Language started 1.5 million years earlier than previously thoughtbruce bowser
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Language started 1.5m years earlier than previously thought as scientists say Homo Erectus were first to talk

The Telegraph - Feb 20, 2018
-- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20/language-started-15m-years-earlier-previously-thought-scientists/

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On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
> Language started 1.5m years earlier than previously thought as scientists say Homo Erectus were first to talk
>
> The Telegraph - Feb 20, 2018
> -- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20/language-started-15m-years-earlier-previously-thought-scientists/

A popup that I couldn't see how to clear away. bad!

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On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 5:54:55 PM UTC-4, DKleinecke wrote:
> On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:

> > Language started 1.5m years earlier than previously thought as scientists say Homo Erectus were first to talk
> >
> > The Telegraph - Feb 20, 2018
> > -- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20/language-started-15m-years-earlier-previously-thought-scientists/
>
> A popup that I couldn't see how to clear away. bad!

Ditto.

Bowwow, give us the name of the researchers and where they put their
study.

Since this was 3 1`/2 years ago and nothing has come of it, there are
probably serious problems with the theory.

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 by: bruce bowser - Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:59 UTC

On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 8:24:08 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 5:54:55 PM UTC-4, DKleinecke wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
>
> > > Language started 1.5m years earlier than previously thought as scientists say Homo Erectus were first to talk
> > >
> > > The Telegraph - Feb 20, 2018
> > > -- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20/language-started-15m-years-earlier-previously-thought-scientists/
> >
> > A popup that I couldn't see how to clear away. bad!
> Ditto.
>
> Bowwow, give us the name of the researchers

Read and weep dumbo:

"The roots of human language have been traced back 25 million years – 20 million years earlier than the previous estimate. The discovery was made by researchers in the UK, USA and Germany by studying a connection in the brain called the 'arcuate fasciculus' or human language pathway."

Origins Of Human Language Stretch Back 25 Million Years
By SHWETA SHANKAR
Published MAY 10, 2020 LANGUAGES IN ANCIENT TIMES

Science Focus - Apr 25, 2020
-- https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/origins-of-human-language-stretch-back-25-million-years/#:~:text=The%20roots%20of%20human%20language,fasciculus'%20or%20human%20language%20pathway.

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 by: DKleinecke - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 00:48 UTC

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:59:53 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 8:24:08 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 5:54:55 PM UTC-4, DKleinecke wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
> >
> > > > Language started 1.5m years earlier than previously thought as scientists say Homo Erectus were first to talk
> > > >
> > > > The Telegraph - Feb 20, 2018
> > > > -- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20/language-started-15m-years-earlier-previously-thought-scientists/
> > >
> > > A popup that I couldn't see how to clear away. bad!
> > Ditto.
> >
> > Bowwow, give us the name of the researchers
> Read and weep dumbo:
>
> "The roots of human language have been traced back 25 million years – 20 million years earlier than the previous estimate. The discovery was made by researchers in the UK, USA and Germany by studying a connection in the brain called the 'arcuate fasciculus' or human language pathway."
>
> Origins Of Human Language Stretch Back 25 Million Years
> By SHWETA SHANKAR
> Published MAY 10, 2020 LANGUAGES IN ANCIENT TIMES
>
> Science Focus - Apr 25, 2020
> -- https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/origins-of-human-language-stretch-back-25-million-years/#:~:text=The%20roots%20of%20human%20language,fasciculus'%20or%20human%20language%20pathway.

I am not impressed. The same argument pushes the origin of
human language back to the first brain whenever that was.

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 13:26 UTC

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 8:24:08 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 5:54:55 PM UTC-4, DKleinecke wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:

> > > > Language started 1.5m years earlier than previously thought as scientists say Homo Erectus were first to talk
> > > > The Telegraph - Feb 20, 2018
> > > > -- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/20/language-started-15m-years-earlier-previously-thought-scientists/
> > > A popup that I couldn't see how to clear away. bad!
> > Ditto.
> > Bowwow, give us the name of the researchers
>
> Read and weep dumbo:
>
> "The roots of human language have been traced back 25 million years – 20 million years earlier than the previous estimate. The discovery was made by researchers in the UK, USA and Germany by studying a connection in the brain called the 'arcuate fasciculus' or human language pathway."
>
> Origins Of Human Language Stretch Back 25 Million Years
> By SHWETA SHANKAR
> Published MAY 10, 2020 LANGUAGES IN ANCIENT TIMES
>
> Science Focus - Apr 25, 2020
> -- https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/origins-of-human-language-stretch-back-25-million-years/#:~:text=The%20roots%20of%20human%20language,fasciculus'%20or%20human%20language%20pathway.

Well, I'm not going to agree to Receive Ads from "Science Focus,"
whoever owns it, so I guess I'll never know who wrote whatever it
is that DK says is pointless.

Again, this is more than a year old.

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 by: Christian Weisgerber - Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:53 UTC

On 2021-08-03, Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>> Science Focus - Apr 25, 2020
>> -- https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/origins-of-human-language-stretch-back-25-million-years/#:~:text=The%20roots%20of%20human%20language,fasciculus'%20or%20human%20language%20pathway.
>
> Well, I'm not going to agree to Receive Ads from "Science Focus,"
> whoever owns it, so I guess I'll never know who wrote whatever it
> is that DK says is pointless.

As in much popular science reporting, the article does not even
identify the paper it reports on. All we are given is "researchers
in the UK, USA and Germany" and "study leader Prof Chris Petkov at
Newcastle University".

Also, we are now talking about the article from the "25 million
years - human language origin" companion post, not the one at the
start of this thread, because "bruce bowser" has lost track and
confused the two.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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