In article <0vmp4j-132.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >
> > Smartphone users aren't photographers or videographers of any note unless
> > they realized that horizontal filming MATCHES our output devices.
>
> But not THEIR output devices.

if they take videos for their own use then they can do whatever they
want.

the problem is that they take videos for public consumption, therefore,
they must match what the public expects (and in many cases, demands).
failing to do that makes them ignorant and inconsiderate.

On 2022-11-20 15:24, nospam wrote:
> In article <0vmp4j-132.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Smartphone users aren't photographers or videographers of any note unless
>>> they realized that horizontal filming MATCHES our output devices.
>>
>> But not THEIR output devices.
>
> if they take videos for their own use then they can do whatever they
> want.
>
> the problem is that they take videos for public consumption, therefore,
> they must match what the public expects (and in many cases, demands).
> failing to do that makes them ignorant and inconsiderate.

Huh, no, they don't.

They post videos to other users of whatever app they use in their phones.

Then somebody finds it and posts it on TV.

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Cheers, Carlos.

On 2022-11-20 15:24, nospam wrote:
> In article <0vmp4j-132.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Smartphone users aren't photographers or videographers of any note unless
>>> they realized that horizontal filming MATCHES our output devices.
>>
>> But not THEIR output devices.
>
> if they take videos for their own use then they can do whatever they
> want.
>
> the problem is that they take videos for public consumption, therefore,
> they must match what the public expects (and in many cases, demands).
> failing to do that makes them ignorant and inconsiderate.

Just yesterday I hit on a professionally made commercial video, shot in
portrait. Obviously the target audience is young people using phones.

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Cheers, Carlos.

In article <jihq4j-1lh.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>
> They post videos to other users of whatever app they use in their phones.

sometimes. not always.

> Then somebody finds it and posts it on TV.

one of many reasons why it's a problem.

or someone wants to watch it on a laptop or desktop computer. not
everyone wants to watch a video on a phone.

In article <nlhq4j-1lh.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>
> Just yesterday I hit on a professionally made commercial video, shot in
> portrait. Obviously the target audience is young people using phones.

anecdote != data

On 2022-11-20 23:40, nospam wrote:
> In article <nlhq4j-1lh.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> Just yesterday I hit on a professionally made commercial video, shot in
>> portrait. Obviously the target audience is young people using phones.
>
> anecdote != data

It's a lost war, pal...

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Cheers, Carlos.

On 2022-11-20 23:40, nospam wrote:
> In article <jihq4j-1lh.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> They post videos to other users of whatever app they use in their phones.
>
> sometimes. not always.
>
>> Then somebody finds it and posts it on TV.
>
> one of many reasons why it's a problem.
>
> or someone wants to watch it on a laptop or desktop computer. not
> everyone wants to watch a video on a phone.

Resistance is futile. Live with it.

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Cheers, Carlos.

On Saturday, 19 November 2022 at 00:54:52 UTC, geoff wrote:
> On 19/11/2022 2:28 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 22:38:33 UTC, geoff wrote:
>
> >
> >> Yes if viewing portrait with a
> >> portrait device at same res then great. But you may have noticed that
> >> the broadcast of Artimus launch broadcast was landscape.
> >
> > Because that's how the TV cameras were mounted.
> > I don;t think there's an option to verticaly mount them and it probabbly wouldn't
> > occur to a film maker to do it anyway.
> Yes NASA and 'film-makers' are pretty dumb. They don't know about camera
> orientations, and how to mount a camera for portrait even if they wanted
> to. We are so much more clever.

Well some of us are but the TV is aimed at the majority as part of main stream media.

But the BBC I think tried it but youtube couln't cope with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfE2KYAvt60

They tend to dumb everything down for the viewers.
Which is why they convert most things to imperial then down to olympic size swimming pools
or football pitches and I've no idea of the size of an american pitch , but I know UK ones to vary slightly
and as for rugby and cricket.....

> Just as well most viewers viewed the launch on a landscape display ...
> at least any who were particularly interested.

Most people don't qualify for MENSA

> >>>> Yeah, OK on smartphones, so the world is reduced to the lowest common
> >>>> denominator ...
> >>>
> >>> reducing it to landscape is the common denominator.
> >> Being 'the lowest common denominator' because of the way used by the
> >> majority of people purely because have no clue about the factors involved.
> >
> > The majority of people are rarely the smartest .
> Trump proved that once.

Everytime he opens his mouth.

> >>>>> But the worst of all is changing orientation of the scene while filming.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the days of film most SLRs where used in landscape, but some like myself when taking portraits
> >>>>> tended to hold the camera upright which was far more difficult to handhold.
> >>>> That's not a video.
> >>>
> >>> Landsape and portrait came long before film and video.
> >> Yes, so ... ?
> >
> > Each had a particualar use to show what the person wanted you to see.
> Yes ...

So you'll notice freedom of expressioin in how those that know what they are doing and want to convey used whatever format they belived was the best.

> >
> >>> I'm pretty sure if Leonardo da Vinci had wanted to do a video of the Mona Lisa smiling I'd think he would use portrait mode rather than landscape
> >>> and have to chop off her hands.
> >> Portrait orientation is very appropriate for, um, portraits. Wow how
> >> about that. Vert resolution identical with either source orientation
> >> when displayed on a landscape device such as a TV or video monitor.
> >
> > You'll notice most childrens book are in landscape format while the vast majority of other books are on portait .
> > I wonder why.
> Possibly because more childrens' books are primarily graphical, whilst
> adult books (apart from adult picture books (not adult-picture books,
> that's different)) tend to be textual ?
>
> geoff