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* Chimp stick "sword fighting"DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves
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Chimp stick "sword fighting"

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At LA zoo

https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM

Lots of open-hand slapping down on prone chimp shoulders, gorillas do similar, forceful but not grabbing, probably in between play fighting and real fighting.

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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 23:27 UTC

> gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal"

Good boy:
yes, early hominoids were aquarboreal, of course:
- centrally-placed spine = vertical
- tail loss = aqua
- broad sternum (Hominoidea = Latisternalia)
- broad thorax = not cursorial, not above-branch = lateral & upward arm movements
- broad pelvis = lateral leg movements

Google our Trends Ecol.Evol.paper:
"Aquarboreal Ancestors?"
TREE 17:212-7, 2000

Only incredible imbeciles believe early hominoids were not aquarboreal.

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 by: DD'eDeN aka not - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 00:42 UTC

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 6:27:02 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal"
>
> Good boy:
> yes, early hominoids were aquarboreal, of course:
> - centrally-placed spine = vertical
> - tail loss = aqua
> - broad sternum (Hominoidea = Latisternalia)
> - broad thorax = not cursorial, not above-branch = lateral & upward arm movements
> - broad pelvis = lateral leg movements
>
> Google our Trends Ecol.Evol.paper:
> "Aquarboreal Ancestors?"
> TREE 17:212-7, 2000
>
> Only incredible imbeciles believe early hominoids were not aquarboreal.
incredible aquarboreal imbeciles...

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 by: Primum Sapienti - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 03:50 UTC

I Envy JTEM wrote:
> DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>
>> At LA zoo
>>
>> https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM
>
> Which one are you?

The one beating you.

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 by: Primum Sapienti - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 03:51 UTC

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> At LA zoo
>
> https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM
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>
> Lots of open-hand slapping down on prone chimp shoulders, gorillas do similar, forceful but not grabbing, probably in between play fighting and real fighting.
>

Did you notice all the bipedal behavior?

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littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op zondag 27 februari 2022 om 19:29:38 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
>
>> At LA zoo
>> https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM
>
> Thanks, DD.
> Bipedal: google our TREE paper"Aquarboreal Ancestors?" (Trends Ecol.Evol.17:212-245,).
>

Stick fighting in water?

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 by: I Envy JTEM - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 06:22 UTC

I was just talking about Toba elsewhere, and that major impact event that
happened like 800,000 years ago... how they had to happen or humanity
would be quite different... how if there's any truth to "Out of Asia" then
humanity was actually set back quite a bit when the most "highly evolved"
populations was splattered like bugs on the windshield of an asteroid...
and later Toba,

But this all relates to Aquatic Ape!

Where's the absolute SAFEST place to be during a climate catastrophe the
likes of which a Toba or major asteroid impact caused?

THE COAST!

The ocean moderates climate, temperature. It takes a lot of energy to heat
up water, water holds so much energy it cools down very very slowly...

AND THE EQUATOR!

The closer to the equator you are, the closer to the coast, the better off you're
going to be. So, waterside populations are going to <ahem> "Weather" these
disasters the very best.

Inland populations are going to be struck much harder, the northern hemisphere
is going to be struck harder (far longer) than the southern and an inland
northern population is royally #$*&!!!!

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 by: I Envy JTEM - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 06:23 UTC

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> Did you notice all the bipedal behavior?

From a species that shares more of it's DNA with humans and evolved
directly from a bipedal common ancestor? Wow. What are the odds?

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> > gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal"
>
> - centrally-placed spine = vertical
> - tail loss = aqua

Take a look at this video of a white-cheeked
gibbon brachiating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3JhwjNfx_g

Would a tail be of any use to this gibbon?
Or would it be an encumbrance?

Our ancestors lost their tails when the
ancestral monkey-like primate evolved
into a gibbon.

> Only incredible imbeciles believe early hominoids were not aquarboreal.

Only incredible imbeciles believe early
hominoids were aquarboreal (whatever
that word might mean).

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On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-5, Paul Crowley wrote:
> > > gibbons ancestors were "aquarboreal"
> >
> > - centrally-placed spine = vertical
> > - tail loss = aqua
> Take a look at this video of a white-cheeked
> gibbon brachiating
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3JhwjNfx_g
>
> Would a tail be of any use to this gibbon?
> Or would it be an encumbrance?
>
> Our ancestors lost their tails when the
> ancestral monkey-like primate evolved
> into a gibbon.
> > Only incredible imbeciles believe early hominoids were not aquarboreal.
>
> Only incredible imbeciles believe early
> hominoids were aquarboreal (whatever
> that word might mean).

Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.

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Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 02:01:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.

My little boy with the mermaid brain:
the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.
:-D

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On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:20:42 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 02:01:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.
> My little boy with the mermaid brain:
> the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.
> :-D

Short tail, short nose, highland. Study a bit.

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On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:20:42 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 02:01:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.
> My little boy with the mermaid brain:
> the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.
> :-D

Monkeys with shortened tails:
Barbary macaque, pig-tailed macaque, Sulawesi macaque, etc.
Study a bit.

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Op vrijdag 4 maart 2022 om 09:32:29 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

> > > Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.

> > My little boy with the mermaid brain:
> > the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.

> Monkeys with shortened tails:
> Barbary macaque, pig-tailed macaque, Sulawesi macaque, etc.

Yes, my little mermaid, thanks: macaques are also coastal dwellers. QED. :-)
Study a bit:

Atypical tooth wear found in fossil hominins also present in a Japanese macaque population
Ian Towle cs 2022
.... Japanese macaques ...
Accidental ingestion of sand & oral processing of marine mollusks likely creates these atypical wear patterns.
Implications for similar wear that has been associated with tool-use in fossil hominin samples were discussed.

Do you understand "marine mollusks", my little mermaid?
How did you think erectus got its large brain??
By eating seaweeds??

Only incredible idiots still believe erectus ran after antelopes:
-large brain, POS, shell engravings, coastal plain etc.etc....
-google "Joordens Munro"

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On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:20:42 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op donderdag 3 maart 2022 om 02:01:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
> > Tail loss before fast brachiation, due to upright bipedalism on branches, slow brachiation & vertically oriented climbing combined with upright perching on horizontal branches (same as avian tail loss). Wading, swimming & diving played virtually no part in tail loss, note many monkeys with long tails wade bipedally occasionally.
> My little boy with the mermaid brain:
> the only monkey with shortened tail = simakobu = mangrove-dwelling.
> :-D
..

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I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> Did you notice all the bipedal behavior?
>
> From a species that shares more of it's DNA with humans and evolved
> directly from a bipedal common ancestor? Wow. What are the odds?

IOW, no need for water and snorkel noses...

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> At LA zoo
>
> https://youtu.be/6lQcKiFy_DM
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>
> Lots of open-hand slapping down on prone chimp shoulders, gorillas do
similar, forceful but not grabbing, probably in between play fighting and
real fighting.

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

> IOW, no need for water and snorkel noses...

And that means... what?

It's not at all clear what you're imagining.

Several million years of evolving AWAY from their upright ancestors
a chimp clumsily waved around a stick like a club, and this means...

What?

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I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
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>> IOW, no need for water and snorkel noses...
>
> And that means... what?

Water and snorkel noses not needed as per AAM (Aquatic Ape Mythology)

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Primum Sapienti wrote:

> Water and snorkel noses not needed as per AAM (Aquatic Ape Mythology)

Oh boy, we need to take this slow...

Chimps aren't a model for any human ancestor. Chimps aren't
even a model for their own ancestor, our last common ancestor.

The LCA was upright, and likely used tools, not a knuckle walker...

Chimps share almost all of their evolutionary development, and DNA,
with us. They are not a model for development without a waterside
ancestor, they are all but proven to have waterside ancestors!

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On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 4:50:55 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
> > Water and snorkel noses not needed as per AAM (Aquatic Ape Mythology)
> Oh boy, we need to take this slow...
>
> Chimps aren't a model for any human ancestor. Chimps aren't
> even a model for their own ancestor, our last common ancestor.
>
> The LCA was upright, and likely used tools, not a knuckle walker...
>
> Chimps share almost all of their evolutionary development, and DNA,
> with us. They are not a model for development without a waterside
> ancestor, they are all but proven to have waterside ancestors!
>
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/680355372617400320more cod liver oil please!

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

[...]

Remember that you're competing for my attention against online
porn, and right now you are not winning.

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On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:04:11 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> [...]
>
> Remember that you're competing for my attention against online
> porn, and right now you are not winning.
>
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/680203064431558656
ADD? S&M? Quick, guzzle some CLO!

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I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> Water and snorkel noses not needed as per AAM (Aquatic Ape Mythology)
>
> Oh boy, we need to take this slow...
>
> Chimps aren't a model for any human ancestor. Chimps aren't
> even a model for their own ancestor, our last common ancestor.
>
> The LCA was upright, and likely used tools, not a knuckle walker...
>
> Chimps share almost all of their evolutionary development, and DNA,
> with us. They are not a model for development without a waterside
> ancestor, they are all but proven to have waterside ancestors!

Since we didn't have a waterside ancestor, chimps serve well as an
evolutionary model.

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 by: I Envy JTEM - Tue, 19 Apr 2022 04:07 UTC

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> Since we didn't have a waterside ancestor

Well you did post a video of a chimp swinging around a stick in
an almost club like fashion, what better evidence for endurance
hunting on a savanna could you possibly need?

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 by: Primum Sapienti - Tue, 3 May 2022 20:43 UTC

I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> Since we didn't have a waterside ancestor
>
> Well you did post a video of a chimp swinging around a stick in
> an almost club like fashion, what better evidence for endurance
> hunting on a savanna could you possibly need?

AA "thinking" considers that a snorkel nose.

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