On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 9:27:00 AM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:
> On Thursday 17 March 2022 at 13:15:46 UTC, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> .
> > I suspect that hominins entered (by sight not scent) for cool
> > air (not water) during the heat of the day, and being good
> > wiry climbers of small slender size were easily able to go
> > deeper seeking a large chamber to sleep, died from heavier-
> > than-air toxic fumes. Most other fauna would have simply not
> > gone deep, seeking only shade. The scent of water was not the
> > key to this cave. Nor was deliberate burial. Nor was (insert
> > mandatory macro) aquarboreal swampiness. They sought cool
> > large space which had no predators or biting flies, and found
> > it. Rest in peace.
> When your beliefs are so rigid that you
> have to block out all contrary evidence,
> it's you that is the problem.
What contrary evidence?

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Somebody:
> > > I suspect that hominins entered (by sight not scent) for cool
> > > air (not water) during the heat of the day, and being good
> > > wiry climbers of small slender size were easily able to go
> > > deeper seeking a large chamber to sleep ...
>
> :-DDD
> > When your beliefs are so rigid that you
> > have to block out all contrary evidence,
> > it's you that is the problem.
> Yes, google e.g.
> "ape human evolution made fake PPT Verhaegen"
Fixed.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 3:43:20 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>
> > We're talking about one and only one cave here.
> No we're not. The point about the moist air was settled long ago. But
> you're still mouthing off. So it's not about any cave, no facts matter
> here, this is all about YOU and YOUR inability to admit that you were
> wrong.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/_MTWZY_Vxe4/m/cBQieefIFgAJ
>
> I had forgotten the third cite, which I clearly reference there, but as it's
> in this very thread, and you are pretending to be talking about a cave
> and the facts surrounding it, you no doubt are already looking back and
> finding it. That third cite. Pretending the two I presented in the abover
> weren't enough.
>
> So what's the issue here? a cave?
>
> No. It's your inability to admit that you were wrong.
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/680033542752829440
Cool cave hot day. Not complicated.

On Thursday 31 March 2022 at 03:32:28 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

>>> I suspect that hominins entered (by sight not scent) for cool
>>> air (not water) during the heat of the day, and being good
>>> wiry climbers of small slender size were easily able to go
>>> deeper seeking a large chamber to sleep, died from heavier-
>>> than-air toxic fumes. Most other fauna would have simply not
>>> gone deep, seeking only shade. The scent of water was not the
>>> key to this cave. Nor was deliberate burial. Nor was (insert
>>> mandatory macro) aquarboreal swampiness. They sought cool
>>> large space which had no predators or biting flies, and found
>>> it. Rest in peace.
>> ..
>> When your beliefs are so rigid that you
>> have to block out all contrary evidence,
>> it's you that is the problem.
>> ..
> What contrary evidence?

Those caves!

See https://twitter.com/johnhawks?lang=en

John Hawks and Lee Berger recently went into
the 'entrance' to the system, squeezing through
the 'superman crawl'. It's been widened, and
can now take over-weight middle aged men.
See the brief videos.

Even with light the complexity of the various
chamber and passages are confusing. It's a
3-dimensional puzzle. The entrance to the
'superman crawl' is far down in the cave, well
beyond any light. I hadn't realised that the
"dragon's back" was a narrow ridge, with a
steep fall of several metres if you slipped.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/data/naledi/

No one would ever go so far into such a cave
without light. The absence of animal fossils
of all other species tells you that.

On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:
> On Thursday 31 March 2022 at 03:32:28 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>
> >>> I suspect that hominins entered (by sight not scent) for cool
> >>> air (not water) during the heat of the day, and being good
> >>> wiry climbers of small slender size were easily able to go
> >>> deeper seeking a large chamber to sleep, died from heavier-
> >>> than-air toxic fumes. Most other fauna would have simply not
> >>> gone deep, seeking only shade. The scent of water was not the
> >>> key to this cave. Nor was deliberate burial. Nor was (insert
> >>> mandatory macro) aquarboreal swampiness. They sought cool
> >>> large space which had no predators or biting flies, and found
> >>> it. Rest in peace.
> >> ..
> >> When your beliefs are so rigid that you
> >> have to block out all contrary evidence,
> >> it's you that is the problem.
> >> ..
> > What contrary evidence?
>
> Those caves!

Those 3D underground labyrinths sound like excellent places to cool down on a hot hot day, predators and parasites unable to attack, food stored in the cellar during drought, plenty of room to rest, silence allowed primitive echolocation as guidance in the pitch black using clicks and sticks and stones. Do you think that Berger and Hawks are their body size?

> See https://twitter.com/johnhawks?lang=en
>
> John Hawks and Lee Berger recently went into
> the 'entrance' to the system, squeezing through
> the 'superman crawl'. It's been widened, and
> can now take over-weight middle aged men.
> See the brief videos.
>
> Even with light the complexity of the various
> chamber and passages are confusing. It's a
> 3-dimensional puzzle. The entrance to the
> 'superman crawl' is far down in the cave, well
> beyond any light. I hadn't realised that the
> "dragon's back" was a narrow ridge, with a
> steep fall of several metres if you slipped.
>
> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/data/naledi/
>
> No one would ever go so far into such a cave
> without light. The absence of animal fossils
> of all other species tells you that.

Primitive telegraphy. The blind man rules the darkest cave.

On Thursday 31 March 2022 at 23:52:02 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/data/naledi/
>>..
> > No one would ever go so far into such a cave
> > without light. The absence of animal fossils
> > of all other species tells you that.
>..
> Primitive telegraphy. The blind man rules the darkest cave.

When your beliefs are so rigid that you
have to block out all contrary evidence,
it's you that is the problem.

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 7:49:31 AM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:
> On Thursday 31 March 2022 at 23:52:02 UTC+1, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
>
> >> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/data/naledi/
> >>..
> > > No one would ever go so far into such a cave
> > > without light. The absence of animal fossils
> > > of all other species tells you that.
> >..
> > Primitive telegraphy. The blind man rules the darkest cave.
> When your beliefs are so rigid that you
> have to block out all contrary evidence,
> it's you that is the problem.
Ignorance is bliss, Gilligan.

I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>
>> We're talking about one and only one cave here.
>
> No we're not. The point about the moist air was settled long ago. But
> you're still mouthing off. So it's not about any cave, no facts matter
> here, this is all about YOU and YOUR inability to admit that you were
> wrong.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/_MTWZY_Vxe4/m/cBQieefIFgAJ
>
> I had forgotten the third cite, which I clearly reference there, but as it's
> in this very thread, and you are pretending to be talking about a cave
> and the facts surrounding it, you no doubt are already looking back and
> finding it. That third cite. Pretending the two I presented in the abover
> weren't enough.
>
> So what's the issue here? a cave?
>
> No. It's your inability to admit that you were wrong.

So, why would this primatge crawl into this tiny tight hole????

> So, why would this primatge crawl into this tiny tight hole????

It didn't, of course, google
"Not Homo but Pan or Australopithecus naledi PPT".

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> So, why would this primatge crawl into this tiny tight hole????

Well seeing how you missed it the first 900 times, the crazies think it was
a two-way trip, one of them while lugging around a dead body. Intelligent
people see it more as the Roach Motel for Naledi where Naledi go in but
they don't go out...

Again, you're oblivious to the last 900 times this was gone over, and you
know doubt view this as an accomplishment, but the cool moist air from
the depths would have been a powerful draw during a scorching drought.
If you want you can scramble your brain & pretend that the word :"Air" is
"Water." That seems to be popular amongst the mouth breathers.

And, oh; "Moist" is an adjective. You can impress the trailer park crowd
by mistaking it for a noun -- a variation on the spelling of "Air" which
in turn is French for "Water."

It has been suggested that they didn't even need to be in drought
conditions. That, a simple heat wave might've been enough to drive them
down into that cool (moist) air...

But if you missed every other time this stuff has been raised, what are the
odds of you catching it this time?

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On Tuesday 19 April 2022 at 00:36:12 UTC+1, I Envy JTEM wrote:

>> So, why would this primatge crawl into this tiny tight hole????
>
> Well seeing how you missed it the first 900 times, the crazies think it was
> a two-way trip, one of them while lugging around a dead body. Intelligent
> people see it more as the Roach Motel for Naledi where Naledi go in but
> they don't go out...
>
> Again, you're oblivious to the last 900 times this was gone over, and you
> know doubt view this as an accomplishment, but the cool moist air from
> the depths would have been a powerful draw during a scorching drought.
> If you want you can scramble your brain & pretend that the word :"Air" is
> "Water." That seems to be popular amongst the mouth breathers.

Primates rarely go down holes. But many
species often do -- e.g. rodents, pigs. They
usually have a much better ability to scent
water. Yet there are NO remains of any
such species in the depths of this cave.
They cannot cope with the complete
absence of light. But somehow h.naledi
did.

That's what you have to explain.

Paul Crowley wrote:

> Primates rarely go down holes.

"They bury their dead" is a rule. So it would be "Always go down
holes." However, the intelligent and rather obvious explanation
that they didn't, it was an exception, they did NOT bury there dead
(which is a rule) takes care of that.

> But many
> species often do -- e.g. rodents, pigs. They
> usually have a much better ability to scent
> water.

Thanks you. Thank you for thinking that the word "Air" is an
alternative spelling of "Water."

I would have been disappointed if I had seen an intelligent
argument in opposition...

HINT: If something is really good at finding water, and there's
no water there, only moist air, they are not going to go down
there. BECAUSE they're really good at finding water and there's
no water, just moist air...

"Water" is a noun yet, and I hope you are sitting for this, the
noun in my statement is "Air."

"Moist" is an adjective.

Glad we straightened this out, again, and look forward to the
many, many, Many, MANY more times it will have to be
repeated, as you fail to grasp it.

*Hugs!*

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/681976832492486656

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 12:52:32 AM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Paul Crowley wrote:
>
> > Primates rarely go down holes.
> "They bury their dead" is a rule. So it would be "Always go down
> holes." However, the intelligent and rather obvious explanation
> that they didn't, it was an exception, they did NOT bury there dead
> (which is a rule) takes care of that.
> > But many
> > species often do -- e.g. rodents, pigs. They
> > usually have a much better ability to scent
> > water.
> Thanks you. Thank you for thinking that the word "Air" is an
> alternative spelling of "Water."
>
> I would have been disappointed if I had seen an intelligent
> argument in opposition...
>
> HINT: If something is really good at finding water, and there's
> no water there, only moist air, they are not going to go down
> there. BECAUSE they're really good at finding water and there's
> no water, just moist air...
>
> "Water" is a noun yet, and I hope you are sitting for this, the
> noun in my statement is "Air."
>
> "Moist" is an adjective.
>
> Glad we straightened this out, again, and look forward to the
> many, many, Many, MANY more times it will have to be
> repeated, as you fail to grasp it.
>
> *Hugs!*
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/681976832492486656
Jerm all wet.

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

[...]

If you want people to know that you're an emotional basket case, keep
doing what you're doing.

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On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 10:38:36 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> [...]
>
> If you want people to know that you're an emotional basket case, keep
> doing what you're doing.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/682192196226760704
Trolling?

I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> So, why would this primatge crawl into this tiny tight hole????
>
> Well seeing how you missed it the first 900 times, the crazies think it was
> a two-way trip, one of them while lugging around a dead body. Intelligent
> people see it more as the Roach Motel for Naledi where Naledi go in but
> they don't go out...
>
> Again, you're oblivious to the last 900 times this was gone over, and you
> know doubt view this as an accomplishment, but the cool moist air from
> the depths would have been a powerful draw during a scorching drought.
> If you want you can scramble your brain & pretend that the word :"Air" is
> "Water." That seems to be popular amongst the mouth breathers.
>
> And, oh; "Moist" is an adjective. You can impress the trailer park crowd
> by mistaking it for a noun -- a variation on the spelling of "Air" which
> in turn is French for "Water."
>
> It has been suggested that they didn't even need to be in drought
> conditions. That, a simple heat wave might've been enough to drive them
> down into that cool (moist) air...
>
> But if you missed every other time this stuff has been raised, what are the
> odds of you catching it this time?

So you think they huffed and puffed and crawled into a tight hole to cool
off? LOL

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> So you think they

You. Not "They": You. I said "Cool most air" and YOU decided that I said
"There was water! There was so much water! There was a goddamn
lake down there! They all drowned!"

You did that. Right here. In this thread. And you're still doing it.

-- --

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/683253336492949504

I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> So you think they
>
> You. Not "They": You. I said "Cool most air" and YOU decided that I said
> "There was water! There was so much water! There was a goddamn
> lake down there! They all drowned!"
>
> You did that. Right here. In this thread. And you're still doing it.

I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> So, why would this primatge crawl into this tiny tight hole????
>
> Well seeing how you missed it the first 900 times, the crazies think it was
> a two-way trip, one of them while lugging around a dead body. Intelligent
> people see it more as the Roach Motel for Naledi where Naledi go in but
> they don't go out...
>
> Again, you're oblivious to the last 900 times this was gone over, and you
> know doubt view this as an accomplishment, but the cool moist air from
> the depths would have been a powerful draw during a scorching drought.
> If you want you can scramble your brain & pretend that the word :"Air" is
> "Water." That seems to be popular amongst the mouth breathers.
>
> And, oh; "Moist" is an adjective. You can impress the trailer park crowd
> by mistaking it for a noun -- a variation on the spelling of "Air" which
> in turn is French for "Water."
>
> It has been suggested that they didn't even need to be in drought
> conditions. That, a simple heat wave might've been enough to drive them
> down into that cool (moist) air...
>
> But if you missed every other time this stuff has been raised, what are the
> odds of you catching it this time?

So you think they huffed and puffed and crawled into a tight hole to cool
off? LOL

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> So you think they huffed and puffed and crawled into a tight hole to cool
> off? LOL

So you're pretending that's unlikely, but that they did crawl into that exact
same tight hole carrying bodies... only to find their way back out in
complete darkness.

It's like claiming they were strong enough to lift 200 pounds but too weak
to lift 40.

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/685099303937720320

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> Op donderdag 4 november 2021 om 16:31:23 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:
> > Expanded Explorations of the Dinaledi Subsystem, Rising Star Cave
> > System, South Africa.
>
> https://slideplayer.com/slide/13752676/

That is correct, going by everything I ever heard. The Chimp hand is the
more derived, the human hand closer to our more primitive ancestors.
So Naledi isn't "Highly Evolved" it's primitive.

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I Envy JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> So you think they huffed and puffed and crawled into a tight hole to cool
>> off? LOL
>
> So you're pretending that's unlikely, but that they did crawl into that exact
> same tight hole carrying bodies... only to find their way back out in
> complete darkness.

I never made that claim. The real scenario hasn't been worked out yet. Little
Foot and Altamura are suggestive.

> It's like claiming they were strong enough to lift 200 pounds but too weak
> to lift 40.

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> I never made that claim.

Nor stated anything of substance.

You're quote consistent.

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I Pity JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> I never made that claim.
>
> Nor stated anything of substance.

Whereas you just make things up, and just admitted it.

I Pity JTEM wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> So you think they huffed and puffed and crawled into a tight hole to cool
>> off? LOL
>
> So you're pretending that's unlikely, but that they did crawl into that
exact
> same tight hole carrying bodies... only to find their way back out in
> complete darkness.

I never made that claim. The real scenario hasn't been worked out yet. Little
Foot and Altamura are suggestive.

> It's like claiming they were strong enough to lift 200 pounds but too weak
> to lift 40.

I lust for JTEM, Primum Sapienti wrote:

> Whereas you just make things up, and just admitted it.

Hmm. I said "Moist cool air" you made up "Water! There was so much
water that they downed in it!"

> The magnificent and oh so brilliant JTEM truthed:

> > same tight hole carrying bodies... only to find their way back out in
> > complete darkness.

> I never made that claim.

Yes you did. It's intrinsic, inseparable from the "Dee Bew-weed deer dead"
nonsense that you're defending.

> The real scenario hasn't been worked out yet.

Irrelevant. The burial claims has been worked out of the picture. It's nonsense.

It's idiocy.

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Op donderdag 9 juni 2022 om 18:29:24 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
> I lust for JTEM, Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
> > Whereas you just make things up, and just admitted it.
> Hmm. I said "Moist cool air" you made up "Water! There was so much
> water that they downed in it!"
>
> > The magnificent and oh so brilliant JTEM truthed:
> > > same tight hole carrying bodies... only to find their way back out in
> > > complete darkness.
>
> > I never made that claim.
> Yes you did. It's intrinsic, inseparable from the "Dee Bew-weed deer dead"
> nonsense that you're defending.
> > The real scenario hasn't been worked out yet.
> Irrelevant. The burial claims has been worked out of the picture. It's nonsense.
> It's idiocy.

Yes, obviously:
https://slideplayer.com/slide/13752676/