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https://www.wired.com/story/she-was-missing-a-chunk-of-her-brain-it-didnt-matter/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

Human brains are extraordinarily large.
Up to ~ 2.5 ma hominin brains were
roughly in line with those of other
primates. They began to increase in
size about 2.5 ma with the inception
of ice-ages. But that increase was not
for any extra problem-solving capacity
nor for better memory nor intellectual
capacity. Brains of half that size can
perform as well.

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Tue, 3 May 2022 00:54 UTC

On 2.5.2022. 18:11, Paul Crowley wrote:
> https://www.wired.com/story/she-was-missing-a-chunk-of-her-brain-it-didnt-matter/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
>
> Human brains are extraordinarily large.
> Up to ~ 2.5 ma hominin brains were
> roughly in line with those of other
> primates. They began to increase in
> size about 2.5 ma with the inception
> of ice-ages. But that increase was not
> for any extra problem-solving capacity
> nor for better memory nor intellectual
> capacity. Brains of half that size can
> perform as well.

Lol, bravo.
Of course, this isn't scientifically relevant because n = 1. I mean,
how can some sane person, with a full working brain say such a stupid
thing. Yet, the science is stupid, what can you do, lol.

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On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:11:59 PM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:

> https://www.wired.com/story/she-was-missing-a-chunk-of-her-brain-it-didnt-matter/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
>
> Human brains are extraordinarily large.
> Up to ~ 2.5 ma hominin brains were
> roughly in line with those of other
> primates. They began to increase in
> size about 2.5 ma with the inception
> of ice-ages. But that increase was not
> for any extra problem-solving capacity
> nor for better memory nor intellectual
> capacity. Brains of half that size can
> perform as well.

We know why they grew bigger brains: They changed to a diet rich
in brain-building Omega-3s.

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Tue, 3 May 2022 01:56 UTC

On 3.5.2022. 3:13, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:11:59 PM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:
>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/she-was-missing-a-chunk-of-her-brain-it-didnt-matter/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
>>
>> Human brains are extraordinarily large.
>> Up to ~ 2.5 ma hominin brains were
>> roughly in line with those of other
>> primates. They began to increase in
>> size about 2.5 ma with the inception
>> of ice-ages. But that increase was not
>> for any extra problem-solving capacity
>> nor for better memory nor intellectual
>> capacity. Brains of half that size can
>> perform as well.
>
> We know why they grew bigger brains: They changed to a diet rich
> in brain-building Omega-3s.

Shouldn't this be for bigger stomach? I mean, I would equal brain to
stomach just like that. Do you think brain is just like a stomach?
So, what if I eat McDonalds, will this enlarge my left ear?

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Tue, 3 May 2022 01:58 UTC

On 3.5.2022. 3:56, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 3.5.2022. 3:13, I Envy JTEM wrote:
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:11:59 PM UTC-4, Paul Crowley wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.wired.com/story/she-was-missing-a-chunk-of-her-brain-it-didnt-matter/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
>>>
>>>
>>> Human brains are extraordinarily large.
>>> Up to ~ 2.5 ma hominin brains were
>>> roughly in line with those of other
>>> primates. They began to increase in
>>> size about 2.5 ma with the inception
>>> of ice-ages. But that increase was not
>>> for any extra problem-solving capacity
>>> nor for better memory nor intellectual
>>> capacity. Brains of half that size can
>>> perform as well.
>>
>> We know why they grew bigger brains:  They changed to a diet rich
>> in brain-building Omega-3s.
>
>         Shouldn't this be for bigger stomach? I mean, I would equal
> brain to stomach just like that. Do you think brain is just like a stomach?
>         So, what if I eat McDonalds, will this enlarge my left ear?

Oops, I meant "I *wouldn't* equal brain to stomach..."

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Mario Petrinovic wrote:

> Shouldn't this be for bigger stomach? I mean, I would equal brain to
> stomach just like that. Do you think brain is just like a stomach?
> So, what if I eat McDonalds, will this enlarge my left ear?

Do the Google on the human brain & Omega-3s, what percentage is
comprised of DHA, specifically.

My switching to a diet far richer in Omega-3s than their terrestrial
counterparts, their brains were assured to grow to the maximum
extant of their genetic capacity -- whatever that would allow. From
there, any mutation that allowed for even bigger brains, and whatever
advantages that conferred, was going to be immediately exploited...

You can play dumb all the live long day but you are never ever going
to change the facts.

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On Tuesday 3 May 2022 at 01:54:24 UTC+1, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

>> https://www.wired.com/story/she-was-missing-a-chunk-of-her-brain-it-didnt-matter/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
>>. .
>> Human brains are extraordinarily large.
>> Up to ~ 2.5 ma hominin brains were
>> roughly in line with those of other
>> primates. They began to increase in
>> size about 2.5 ma with the inception
>> of ice-ages. But that increase was not
>> for any extra problem-solving capacity
>> nor for better memory nor intellectual
>> capacity. Brains of half that size can
>> perform as well.
>. .
> Of course, this isn't scientifically relevant because n = 1.

N is a lot more than one. I quoted one case
that happens to be in the news but, while
such cases are rare, there are enough of
them to prove the argument that "large
brains" are not essential for perfectly
normal human lives.
>. .
> I mean, how can some sane person, with a full working brain say
> such a stupid thing. Yet, the science is stupid, what can you do, lol.
> . .
Take a look at the world around you, and
at the intelligence of animals, and of birds
which have tiny brains.

Human heads (and brains) are weirdly
distorted. Painters have long been sensitive
to this and routinely reduce the size of
heads, from the average (for a male) of
6.5-7/1.0 (full-height/head) to 8.0/1.0.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdNQR7xYW5k

Then bear in mind that our ancestral
head hair was African -- an enormous,
dense Afro, insulating the head. None
of that has anything to do with 'brain
power'.

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Paul Crowley wrote:

> N is a lot more than one. I quoted one case
> that happens to be in the news but, while
> such cases are rare, there are enough of
> them to prove the argument that "large
> brains" are not essential for perfectly
> normal human lives.

I've mentioned it before, and no doubt you missed it, but often you
(speaking rhetorically) can pass yourself off as more intelligent
than you really are by merely being consistent.

Stay with me here. It'll be worth it.

Anyway, check this out:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/12/16/antarctica-glacier-collapse-raise-sea-levels/8924940002/

It's a mainstream "Science" piece about a "Doomsday Glacier" thought
to be on the verge of collapse & sliding into the ocean. It's bullshit and
this much alone is enough to prove it to you:

: Corrections and clarifications: This story has been updated to reflect that
: if the Thwaites Glacier cracks in the next decade, the rise in sea levels by
: at least a foot could take decades or centuries to occur.

Now you know from your primary school education that ice raises water
levels instantaneously. Fill a glass about halfway with water, mark the water
level on the side of the glass, drop in some ice and witness the rise!

Oo! Let's move on...

Next, mark the new water level then wait until the ice melts. It shouldn't
rise at all. Well, there can be something called "Thermal Expansion" but
if you check just when the last of the ice melts I can't image THAT, or
evaporation, coming into play here.

The point of course is that the mainstream media doesn't report science,
and even supposedly intelligent people never ever question the propaganda.

The story about the "Doomsday Glacier?" Yes it's propaganda. It's GWOBULL
WARBLING propaganda. It's the medias profession, Job-1, to make you shit
yourself in fear over the thought that the planet is burning up during an ice
age, even if it's comparatively cold right now.

Propaganda.

"Smaller brains are A-Okay!" looks like propaganda.

We need plenty of DHA, seafood, it grow larger brains and if there's one thing
that there isn't, it's an abundance of seafood. In fact there are those who
actually study this stuff that claim that the earth maybe has 40 years or so
before commercial fishing isn't even a thing.

It'll be gone. Over-fishing will have ended it... Do the Google on "The American
Passenger Pigeon" for a comparison.

But, regardless, "Science" reporting in the mainstream media is gone. We're
never getting it back. And people doing this kind of work won't see any grant
money anyway, so nobody legitimate is never going to be writing any papers.

I know, I know, "But that's only true when I want it to be! It's not true all the
time. I'm not consistent."

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On Wednesday 4 May 2022 at 17:59:23 UTC+1, I Envy JTEM wrote:

> Next, mark the new water level then wait until the ice melts. It shouldn't
> rise at all. Well, there can be something called "Thermal Expansion" but
> if you check just when the last of the ice melts I can't image THAT, or
> evaporation, coming into play here.
>
> The point of course is that the mainstream media doesn't report science,
> and even supposedly intelligent people never ever question the propaganda.

Some glaciers/ ice-flows/ icebergs float
in the sea; when they melt, there is no
change in sea level. Glaciers above sea-
level, that are resting on solid rock,
also melt. Their melting (at rates above
the formation of new ice from snowfall)
does cause a rise in sea-level. If all the
glaciers on Greenland melt, worldwide
sea-levels will rise by ~20ft (6 metres).

Almost everyone knows this.

> The story about the "Doomsday Glacier?" Yes it's propaganda. It's GWOBULL
> WARBLING propaganda.

I'd sooner discuss global warming with
the snowdrops and other flowers that
are emerging earlier each year, and
with the butterflies, birds, and the
thousands of other species changing
their behaviour. There are reports
almost every day:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2306602-uks-spring-flowers-are-blooming-a-month-early-due-to-climate-change/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/130116-spring-earlier-global-warming-plants-trees-blooming-science

> "Smaller brains are A-Okay!" looks like propaganda.

It's all part of a secret pro-Putin plot.
Don't tell anyone.

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Paul Crowley wrote:

> Some glaciers/ ice-flows/ icebergs float
> in the sea; when they melt, there is no
> change in sea level.

That was my point. But the media was "Reporting" that
if this "Doomsday Glacier" broke off & slid into the sea
it might take a century or more for it to cause a rise in
sea level.

> > Almost everyone knows this.
> > The story about the "Doomsday Glacier?" Yes it's propaganda. It's GWOBULL
> > WARBLING propaganda.

> I'd sooner discuss global warming with
> the snowdrops

Oh, I'm sure you have. Many times. No need to be modest.

> There are reports almost every day:

I know, and I just cited one such "Report" that even you
agree was total bunk... only for your to turn around and
pretend that the media can only every be honest &
accurate. Wow. Just like I said.

You can't even manage to be consistent WITHIN a post,
much less across threads or topics. But if you want to
look intelligent you need to be consistent.

If you want, and we both aren't going to waste any time
pretending that you want but, if you want I can show you
how to decipher propaganda. It's really all about spotting
the bias, what it accomplishes.

I think it too much for you but I can post something, and
you can always move your lips for a few moments,
pretending that you're reading it, before posting something
dumb in reply.

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Paul Crowley wrote:
> https://www.wired.com/story/she-was-missing-a-chunk-of-her-brain-it-didnt-matter/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
>
> Human brains are extraordinarily large.
> Up to ~ 2.5 ma hominin brains were
> roughly in line with those of other
> primates. They began to increase in
> size about 2.5 ma with the inception
> of ice-ages. But that increase was not
> for any extra problem-solving capacity
> nor for better memory nor intellectual
> capacity. Brains of half that size can
> perform as well.
>

Look up hemispherectomies. There's probably some variations on the procedure.

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On Wednesday 11 May 2022 at 05:05:04 UTC+1, Primum Sapienti wrote:

> Look up hemispherectomies. There's probably some variations on the procedure.

Thanks. Good point. It seems that if it's done
early enough (i.e. before ~6 years old) then
the effective removal of half of the brain often
has no, or little, effect.

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Paul Crowley wrote:

> Thanks. Good point. It seems that if it's done
> early enough (i.e. before ~6 years old) then
> the effective removal of half of the brain often
> has no, or little, effect.

He/They/You/It/Them also say that a 4.8 point drop in I.Q.s is not a
"Hurting" anyone, while nearly all of the human race agrees that
anything dropping I.Q.s is a very bad thing...

NOTE: The brain is composed of a large part by DHA, which is
chiefly found in seafood. Eliminating seafood in the diet does
result in smaller brains and lower I.Q.s in human populations.

...this is also a very likely explanation for the drop in brain
size seen since the rise of agriculture.

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